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US promises advanced military technology if Brazil buys Boeing F/A18 fighters
Brazil will get US advanced technology transfers if it buys Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet to upgrade its air force, visiting US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta said on Wednesday. Read full article
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Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Buy french. The interiors are by Coco Channel.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0What tech will they transfer? The air pumps to inflate the tyres?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given that the Brazilians will immediately sell these planes to the Argtards, how many F/A18s can a type 45 track simultaneously?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has its own Fighter Advanced Replacement Competition Evaluation - it is expected Mig 21 or F5e tiger will be selected
We're getting a load of buried Spitfires back from Burma soon. Maybe we should flog them to Argentina under their FARCE ?????
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 GY
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the only threat to type 45's comes from stealth technology and the US is not about to give that away to just anybody. Us maybe, I think the aircraft we are buying from them to equip the carriers being built, are stealth aircfaft, but I could be wrong.
7. RC
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stealth is not that good when you have modern radar tech, read somewhere the F22 can be traked by most modern fighter radars :p (f22 is also a out of date tech i.e a bit rubbish) :p
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Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt a T45 would have any trouble tracking the 36 F-18s (i think that's the figure) Brazil could buy from the US.
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I'd like a source on that competition please, i've no knowledge of it so would welcome the information
@7
The F-35 is classified as VLO (very low observable) as is the F-22 in regards to 'stealth', and its sensor suite (DAS, AESA) is superb.
@8
The only reference i've heard of is an article mentioning that a EF Typhoon got a radar lock on an F-22 “at suprisingly long range”, if you have other reputable sources i'd welcome the knowledge.
9 RobWilliams
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0In relation to the “competition” I suggest you go back and re-read post 5.
If you still get nothing then read post 6 too.
You'll get there.....
9. umm.. i have no idea how to link stuff?. try Airforce mag.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't get me wrong the F22 is the best air-air fighter in the world, sadly they only made 187 (- a couple crashes), almost no ground attack tho, which is bad in a world of multi-role aircraft and they have a problem with the oxygen system they can't seem to fix. As for stealth its not the be-all-and-end-all as far as i know most AESA radars can trak it now. As for the F-35 could do with a name change to A-35 :)
4 GreekYoghurt
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can the Rg's afford to buy even one F/A18? Anyway, it doesn't matter does it? There are 4 euro-fighters on the Falklands and they can easily stop the Rg's from messing about.
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Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sarcasm, very droll.
I had no knowledge of an sort of purchase happening but i'm not arrogant enough to say i know 'everything' in the defence world and thus asking for more information seems a logical response to a lack of knowledge don't you think?
If that makes me a 'simpleton' in your eyes just because I don't know a specific piece of knowledge which you do then so be it.
@11
Generally linking stuff is just copy'n'pasting news articles or something.
Well, as far as i know, the F-22 is designated as an 'air superiority' weapon so it's relatively understandble it's not as good as other aircraft in the A2G role, but my understanding is the F-35 is meant to be pretty good at A2G so the 2 aircraft - in the time of a major crisis i suppose - would cooperate in theatre.
True, but against 4th gen or 4.5gen, the LO of 5th gen (i don't like using those terms but it's the best way) accompanied with a decent radar + BVR missile does make it superior to that of a regular 4/4.5 gen with the same radar/BVR missile.
Whilst it doesn't make an aircraft 'invunverable' to any degree, it is a very useful extra layer of defence =]
13 RobWilliams
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd never heard of it either - but I do know what a Mig 21 is so instantly smelled a rat.
I'm still not convinced you've cottoned on!?!?
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Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you mean the acronym then yes, i have noticed.
I wasn't taking it at face value however, i'm pretty sure Switzerland had a 'Fighter Replacement Competition' a while back so the acronym wasn't 'completely' out of the realms of possibility.
Besides, military acronyms which spell out 'funny' words isn't a particularly new concept.
...but surely MIG 21s aren't on anyone's shopping list. They're ancient - developed in the 50s as was the other aircraft mentioned.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they will reap what they sow
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil should buy the US fighter.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The French Rafale is a cheap pile of crap.
13. The problem is the f22 is out of production and the f35 is a bomb-truck, (which is massively over budget). Give me a 4.5 gen over 5 gen anyday :)
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinas military procurement is screwed up, they wanted to fit a nuclear reactor into a conventional submarine whos hull is too small and wasn't even completed when it was being built around a decade ago.
@18
The F-18 has a reputation of being a much cheaper aircraft than the Rafale, and the Rafale is not crap either.
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If that is the case, then explain why Russia + China have felt the need to develop their own 5gen aircraft if 4.5gens are that much more superior? :P
+ the F-35 has an agility/dogfighting skill comparable to that of an F-16, so it's not 'just' a bomb truck, never mind the deadly combination of AESA and modern BVR missiles
#2 RC Too funny!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being Serious and taking a break from promoting Tupolev airliners, as well as exposing the yellow menace now invading the Patagonian oil fields, I should preface the following:
1. I'm Chilean deactivated navy, very pro-FI and anti-CFK. I'm not an aviation expert.
2. Despite some unfortunate arms embargoes by the USA, the Chilean air-force is very well served by its F-16s. The only superior fighter currently on the continent is the typhoon. We made the correct decision.
3. The Russian equipment used by Venezuela is a maintenance nightmare and only preforms well at air-shows.
4. Despite the performance of the F-22, the USA has not used them in the Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya wars due to pilot oxygen delivery issues and vulnerability from surface to air attack.
5. It's replacement, the F-35 is delayed, over-budgeted, and unable to preform as originally promised. There are questions now if the STOL version will be even built to replace the Harrier. Canada and Australia are currently rethinking their orders.
6. The F-18, properly armed, is an excellent choice with superior capability to fight effectively against anyone. The Americans however will not be as open sharing certain aspects of classified technology as others will.
Also, it was very unfair of how the recently Super Tucano light attack aircraft $355 million deal was unfairly cancelled.
7. The Saab Gripen is an excellent choice from a cost/performance standpoint. It does the job well and frankly as long as Brazil wishes to defend itself, the fighter would satisfy their needs.
8. The French will do almost anything to sell their Rafael. Its performance is no where near the Typhoon, but they would offer almost unlimited cooperation in what the Brazilian demands are AND there would be a Rafael version for use on Brazil's new carrier.
I'm very pro-American, but it's obvious Brazil's best interests would be served going with the Europeans.
21. I think Chicureo answered for me. The JSF project was for a low-cost fighter/strike aircraft as far as i know its now the most expensive aircraft program in history (i always like the boeing f-32 more). For most countries it's unaffordable, even in the US the military are having seconded thoughts. Its the f22 all over again (the USAF wanted over 800 & they got 147). Anyway from what i've read over the years, 5 gen was a term made up for the Raptor more of a PR term then anything else.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#22 You and I agree about the F-22. The F-35 is too many things into one airframe at a cost that makes no sense. The Canadian government may actually fall due to this weapons program.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 023. Chicureo. We do agree :) and the BAe/Saab Gripen dus seem to be a very good aircraft cost/performance wise for smaller nations.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0p.s Do you know how the Chilean navy is getting on with the Type 23's?
They were transfered to us in excellent condition. All three frigates are in great shape and all based in Valparaiso.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh good, i have to say it would have been better if we had kept them. but it looks like they've gone to a good home :) plus the Chilean navy looks to be the best in south america (aside from brazils carrier) i'd say the same about the rest of your military, your like a south american NATO country!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you! We've very proud of our British based traditions and have always had a very cordial relationship with the Royal Navy. They are all named after famous Chilean admirals and are kept in top condition. Overall, Chile has the second best military force in SA, and arguably the best trained.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second best?.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not agree that the Raptor is such an amazing aircraft as the USAF goes on about. The ONE time in it's history it was allowed to go against other aircraft it was locked on at long range from a Typhoon, the next day USAF Command decided it was once again off limits to fly against them.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were several pilots who claimed to have locked a Raptor in flight before this.
I'm not saying it's a good aircraft, it's easily one of the best in the world. I do not however agree that it's somehow miles ahead of all the rest like they claim.
#28 Brazil is a giant. For example, we have two Scorpène class submarines, they have four on order. Their air-force is behind, but that's being resolved.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#29 For every hour the F-22 flies, it requires over 120 hours of maintenance.
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Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0US used F-22 Raptors during the starting period of Afghanistan operation.
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More influenced ones are MIG s..
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Your air & navy force could not be enough to make and win a war
The most important tool is Land Power you should be owner of it.
To all the “Weapon Nerds” in here drooling about wickedly expensive and absurdly antiquated airplanes designed some 30/40 years ago…..
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have just one thing to say…:
Самоходный Зенитный Ракетный Комплекс 40Р6 / С-400 «Триумф»
Available today….
At your nearest arms dealer…..
Very nice, very effective, very cheap....
NATO hates these ones…….. They really do….
Rubbish,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Without air power you have nothing,
You need control of the air,
And what Argentina needs, is the best, and I mean the very best planes, and then ,CFK can win victory after victory
Watch in awe boys,
With these fighter planes CFK is unbeatable .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT2dQB_OgFE
only the best==for the best .??
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Briefly the USAF used the F22s, but then without reason withdrew them.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our Navy, Air Force and Army can easily defeat Argentina, Peru and Bolivia at the same time. That's not a boast, but fact. We have to as that has been their past strategy and therefore we are trained for a multi-adversarial defense. Our army would devastate the three without many problems, and our airforce would destroy any attack groups. Our navy is well equiped and our four submarines have the capacity to hold opposing naval groups at bay.
f it.
@35
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thomas Cochrane, would be very proud of them. The Sea Wolfs legacy lives on.
Buy the best for the lowest price and maximum transfer of technology. Unfortnately I'm afraid this won't happen...
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Huh?? We may have stopped producing the F-22, but there are close to 200 operational in ACC. We weren't about to export the technology, so it wasn't viable for Lockheed, et. al to continue to produce them. Also, the F-35 is a-coming. So, I don't understand your first statement.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, based on your posts, you obviously come from a privileged Chilean family so I'm sure if you were in the military, you were an officer? That's super. I can tell you that I know a LOT of Chilean men who have served as conscripts and don't get me wrong, I love Chile, my wife is Chilean.....but, the guys I know who are or were in the Chilean military leave a LOT to be desired. I was in the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force and I can tell you I wouldn't want to even be on a range with any of those guys under controlled settings, let alone on the battlefield.
Now, if you could give me a breakdown in percentages of the number of “professional” Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen there are in the Chilean military vs. the number of Chilean men serving their mandatory service, avg. years of service, years in their MOS, etc. Then you can stand behind your “we can kick all your asses...” statement.
37. ha! the US army, really can't say much about them :p
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know you're rig......well, except for saving your asses in 2 world wars. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You guys just couldn't hang with the Huns could you? Not without ol' Yankee Doodle. No go drink a cup of tea and eat crumpets or whatever it is you do.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to forget the Russian won WW2. As for the US army, its big and thats really all that can be said about it. The only army you beat in a fair fight was the South in the civil war.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is this between the USA and chile
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm quite pro towards the yanks, but there is one thing that does annoy me about them is how they go on about saving our asses in 2 world wars.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WW1. They turned up in 1917. Fought in what, two offenses. Refused to take allied advice. Used 1914 tactics and suffered terrible casualties.
WW2. Turned up in 1942. There were only 24 days left of the year 1941. Refused to take allied advice. First time they came up against Rommel at the Kasserine pass, he handed their ass to them on a plate.
However I am grateful for all they did, if it had not been for them the war would have gone on a lot, longer. The Russians would have reached the channel and in all probability Joe Stalin would not have stopped there Yours truely would now be talking in Russia and to use a Churchillian phrase, Europe would have lapsed into a second dark age.
42. I wouldn't be to grateful, the good old USofA fucked us over massively at the end of the war. Completely ruined our economy for years after & we only finished paying them back in the 90's
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True. Roosevelt compared lend lease to lending yuor neighbour a hose pipe to pu out a fire, He failed to mention we had to pay for the water.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well we did return the compliment in Vietnam,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After the Suez fiasco,
But they should be more friendly to us, after all, we may be smaller, weaker,
And a bit less able today,
But by Christ, we pack a nasty punch.
And we back them to the hilt, right or wrong,
But we also understand that the USA is struggling to maintain our ideals in common,
With more and more pressure from the Latino’s,
But fair is fair, we should be friends, not at each others guts,
The two countries are more glued together than even the most of us thinks,
But, again the USA should make a declaration for Britain, rather than sit on the fence, as this does look bad for them .
8 cornishair
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've got NO clue WHATSOever! F22 is the greatest piece of technology ever produced, and won't be rivaled for another 20 years. No offense, but you clearly haven't read much of anything on it.
I cant give an impression on what plane is what,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I think you will find, that no matter how good a plane is,
It still needs an expert experience pilot,
As a bad pilot or one mistake, would put that [best fighter] on the ground, would it not .
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46. umm... don't believe the everything you see in the transformers films :p. The F22 is a hanger queen, plan and simple. Yes it is good at air-air but thats it. And no its not the greatest piece of technology ever produced, if you need said that in the 90's maybe, the first 20-30 where made with substanded alloy which means they have/had to be reworked. You have 187 and it would cost far to much to make anymore (can't restart the production line).
Apr 27th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 032 With all due respect, used Russian arms, including AK47s, Hand held rockets, tanks and troop transports are very good options. Re-conditioned cargo planes and helicopters are always suspect. Used Russian fighter aircraft however are worthless.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#35 RC You truly amaze me! One of my favorite authors and certainly Lord Cochrane is Chile’s greatest naval hero.
#36 Politics play a huge role in the armaments business.
#37 “I was in the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force” You served in the US Army and the USAF?
The truth about the beautiful F-22 is that it seemed to be the ultimate 5th generation fighter and Japan was initially slated to be the first export customer. The project was killed by the Pentagon due to outrageous cost overruns. In March 2012, the GAO increased the estimated cost of the F-22 at $412 million per aircraft. That’s why the USA decided to focus on the F-35 instead. However, to everyone’s consternation, the GAO is now saying that the delayed F-35 program cost is around $236 million per aircraft. Australia and Canada are about to cancel their orders.
@49 Chicureo
Apr 27th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bit of a Napoleonic navy buff. Cochrane was a truely amazing sailor and as you probably know, he was the inspiration for many boys own novel characters, such as, Hornblower and Bolitho. Yet his real life exploits far surpassed those of the fictional characters. The greatest frigate captain of his era.
50. :) I completely agree! the Napoleonic Wars produced some awesome Naval captains and Cochrane was one of the best. It seems a shame we are so Sea blind now.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#50&51We could talk for ages. Did you know LC wanted to rescue Napoleon?
Apr 27th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#37 “Privileged?” Only in the respect that my parents made sacrifices so that I could achieve a privileged education and thereby qualify for entry into the naval academy where I studied with cadets from ALL economic backgrounds. (My first commanding officer made no secret that his father drove a taxi.)
How they treated conscripts was a national scandal and has been largely corrected since the tragedy of several freezing to death during mountain training a few years ago.
The quality of basic education, morale and training of our soldiers and sailors far exceeded that of those serving in Peru and Bolivia. It could be argued that the educational level of an Argentine soldier on average is above that of a Chilean, but our training with equipment is considered superior.
The essence of Chilean military strategy is to maintain a defensive and offensive force sufficient to defeat the simultaneous attack from Peru, Bolivia and Argentina.
Look at the Falklands: The well trained (less than a thousand total) British defense force, backed by 4 typhoon fighters and 1 destroyer can easily defeat Argentina in a defensive war.
Chile’s well-equipped forces using Leopard tanks, heavily armed frigates with our Scorpène and Thomson submarines as well as our F-16s insure that no one wants to mess with us. Chile also has no desire to attack anyone either and only participates in UN peace keeping operations.
#42 I agree with what you say, but I like Americans, although they do screw up really badly at times. During the Allende years the CIA was pushing us to overthrow the government and then they punished us harshly for doing so… (Our good friends Carter and Kennedy.)
#45 I completely agree that “the USA should make a declaration for Britain” Apparently the current president seems anti-British due to his grandfather’s problems in colonial Kenya
The Leopard2 to is a phenominal tank. The Bundeswehr used to consistently win Nato gunnery competitions with the beast. Now the Abrams 2, seems to be the best. Though it's armour is British, Chobam armour, it's construction is still classified today.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not an expert, but the Abrams 2 requires a lot of fussy maintenance. Our Leopard 1 and 2 tanks are more robust. Peru has a large number of T-55s and a few light French antiquated tanks that are pathetic.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our Argentine brothers have what is called the “Tanque Argentino Mediano” and it is a source for humor here in Chile. Designed by Argentines with the help from Germans, they are a real menace against Paraguay, Uruguay and Bolivia. You can't even give them away. We never plan to attack NATO or the Russian Federation, so we are happy with our used, but well maintained German Panzers.
I think i like the M1A2 Abrams looks pretty cool. Gas turbine tho, i've read she drinks fuel like its going out of fashion. Leopard 2 now theres a panzer that look the part :) both awesome tanks don't think i could pick which one is the best.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst we are on the subject of tanks. I think that the ultimate tank, past and present has to be the the T34. Right tank, in the right place, at the right time. I believe the best word to describe it is iconic. Any disagreements?
Apr 27th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 056. hells yes T34 all the way, tho it was a numbers game at the end of the day. best tech (in ww2) i'd go for the Pather.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0| 52 |
Apr 27th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Contra Allende coup(movement) was not from CIA !
This can not be explainable on internet/media.!..higly higgledy piggledy happening...
Chile is not more clean than Argentina.!
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That is US Official View not Obama's...!
Raining cats and dogs here at the moment. Pea size hail like snow.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#55 The Americans can afford it and I have no doubt it is the state of the art leader. But the British, Israelis, Russians, French and Germans made deadly superb tanks. It's the operator's skill and training. Massive tank assaults correctly planned are devastating to the best of forces.
#56&57 Oh it solidly defeated the German eastern defense. Thankfully, my Peruvian neighbors don't have the training to properly utilize their Russian models.
#58 I really enjoy hearing someone who was not here in Chile during the early 70's spout off nonsense about what happened in my country.
The Navy, the Army and a somewhat reluctant air force all had been planning an overthrow, but also there was strong civil unrest and the largest labor union was a major factor when they shut down truck transportation in August '73. Always in the background was the CIA, First, to ruin Chile's economy and secondly to encourage military officers to overthrow the government. In the end, the CIA did not cause the coup d'état, but they were certainly pushing for one.
Chile “disappeared” 3-4 thousand, Argentina 12+ thousand. We buried ours in secret desert graves, the Argentines threw drugged bodies out from airplanes over the ocean. It was a national disgrace for both countries.
The USA is neutral about the Falklands. But Obama is the leader and very slanted against the U.K. even with his much published basketball invite and gift of a BBQ grill to the PM.
A question for you: Are you an American?
As for tanks,
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im sure I remember a program some years ago, when every year in America tanks and crews from around the world go there to test their skills and ability,
If I remember correctly, [I only watched it as the British were there]
We had the challenger [1] and we did very badly and not only lost, but came an embarrassing bottom,
But then when the arrival of the challenger [2] arrived, the positions were totally reversed,
Can anyone remember the program?
Just a thought.
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59 Chicureo
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha!! It must be summer here because it has been raining for the past week. As predicted, the water companies have said that it's the “wrong kind of rain” so we are still in a “Drought” even though parts of the country are flooded
56 reality check
For me, I don't know, the best tank in ww2?? I would go for the Sherman.
The T34 was the sh*t!! scary, go anywhere kill anything, but it was just a tank.
The Sherman though was a tank and then so much more as well, it was a swimming tank ( DD ), a mine clearing tank ( flail ) and a flame thrower ( Crocodile ) and when it was fitted with a 75 pounder gun ( Firefly ) it could even knock out Tigers.
#61 The Tiger was superior and its crews were from the elite. The number produced was low as they were complex in design.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Sherman was the backbone of the American army and preformed fairly well. An almost unlimited number were thrown against the Germans. The T-34 was tough, easy to build and the Russians amazed everyone in how rapidly they manufactured the vast quantity to assault the Axis with.
Saying all that, Erwin Rommel and George Patton are my heros.
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Apr 27th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have any proof to coup /machinating realized by CIA or some other secret service organizations ?
@61 Chicureo
Apr 27th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody hell, do not tell me you have a drought as well. It's official parts of the South and East of the UK are in drought, bans in force on using hose pipes etc, large fines for offenders and all that. It has not stopped raining since they announced it. No shit, it's been raining here for a week. The land is green and lush and there is mud everywhere. We are told that it has to rain from now until chrsitmas, before our water stocks are back to normal. I can see it now, visitors arriving here for the Olympics, shivvering in the cold wind, dripping wet and being advised to save water. Must be the wettest drought in the history of mankind. Sorry about that, you know the Brits, we love to talk about the weather.
#63
Apr 27th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still have not answered my question.
I would suggest consulting the autobiography of Pinochet, Kissenger and other politicians at the time.
The article on the WWW: KISSINGER, OPERACIÓN CÓNDOR, PINOCHET
by George Venturini is fairly helpful. http://www.countercurrents.org/venturini090311.pdf
But then again, I suggest you go directly to the wolf, the CIA at their site is an article approved by them about their involement. http://www.countercurrents.org/venturini090311.pdf
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0CIA has so many lie revealings...even against its own.!
CIA is a poor institutions which only one of them of more than 40 others in US.
#66 Are you an American Arsehole or just an Arsehole? Coward!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0| 67 |
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a wrath !......you lost the debate !
No my demented ARSEHOLE, you clearly are what I describe you as: A cowardly example of the least respected part of anatomy. I assume you're ashamed of revealing your nationality...
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