The International Red Cross pledged it will again contact British authorities with Argentina’s request for special forensic groups to travel to the Falklands to identify combatants buried in Islands’ unnamed graves. Read full article
However the request to send forensic teams for the identification of Argentine soldiers buried in the Falklands is not necessarily unanimous among the next of kin. Some support it enthusiastically while others prefer to keep things as they are and not remove the pain thirty years on.
Cfk dosent give a shit whos graves she dances on, if she thinks she can get a point over the british reguarding the Falklands!
Now that's funny. No international forum is complete without the Argentines pleading for direct dialogue with the UK, while CFK herself does not shrink from personally accosting DC with an envelope full of old UN resolutions.
Yet here on this emotional issue she and Timerman are apparently so overcome with shyness they need the Red Cross to act as their intermediary.
I'm touched. And surely only a churlish cynic could conclude that the Red Cross and the dead are being used in a cheap attempt to portray Argentina as the poor victim of the heartless Brits.
It's pointless addressing the letter to London, they will have to address it to the Falkland Islands Government, whose responibility it is as the bodies are interred on their land. The British Government should make this very clear to the International Committee of the Red Cross.
I'm all for an independent ICRC team removing the remains of these Argentine soldiers, identifying them, and then returning the remains to their relatives.
That should be the only acceptable outcome. I wonder what CFK would say to that?
7- your are quite correct! That is why they are in limbo over their speeches about flights and fisheries- UK has referred it to FIG - who wrote to their Ambassador in London saying basically that yes the FI Govt was prepared to sit and talk about Fisheries anc Communications in general - with the UK at the table head and acting as Chair.- but ARG and FIG talking to and negotiating with each other across it.
That has sort of buggered them! If they say yes - then that means they recognise we exist - and thus all sorts of things start to follow internationally.
If they say NO - and ever raise the issue of nobody prepared to talk again - then UK will shoot them down in flames!
Argentina should open fishing season in Antartica Argentina and give the rest of the world licenses to fish. No more protectionism for british resources, let's start a fish grab fest.
#10
So that we are all clear what you are talking about.
Please give us your claim to territories and seas , with delineations in Latitude and Longitude
I would suggest that it would be better for the next of kin who wish to repatriate their dead relatives bodies to deal with the Red Cross directly who will, in turn, contact the FIG to deal with their request in a no fuss/ dignified manner
I just see this as another opportunity for a crass stunt by CFK - the woman clearly has no shame on past record and if she really cares about the war dead then I can't see what is wrong with my suggestion.
ARG: We'll grant you licences to fish in Antarctic waters!
ROW: Oh, has the Antarctic treaty expired?
ARG: Er...no, but we say you can fish there!
ROW: Riiight... and which part of Antarctic waters are yours to grant fishing rights in?
ARG: There!
ROW: Er...that appears to include British and Chilean Antarctic territories.
ARG: That doesn't matter! Antartica Arrrrgentina!
ROW: Well let's see...the Antarctic treaty is still in force so by attempting to grant fishing rights you've reneged on the agreement thereby voiding any participation by yourselves on what goes on in Antarctica.
ARG: Er......is no fair! (sniff)
ROW: too bad, that's how the world works......oh no...stop crying please, God this is so embarrassing....
ARG: Waaaaaaa!!
Would it not be better, for the International Red Cross,
To send in special forensic groups to travel to the Argentine mainland ,to identify
The untold thousands of innocent murdered people,
Buried in unnamed graves there .
#5 Why do some support it enthusiasticly, and why should they're views (the majority view I imagine) matter less - would it be dancing on they're graves for her not to try and identify they're loved ones?
@1 I can see you are not a soldier. A soldier would NEVER treat the dead body of its enemy in any bad way. We respect each other in battle and in death.
So if there is a problem with British nationals in Futaleufu department, Chubut province , who do the British call to negotiate with: Futaleufu City Hall @ Esquel, or do they call Buenos Aires CF?
I'm sure they call Buenos Aires. Now how would London react if the federal government told them don't call us, call Futaleufu City Hall and discuss the matter with them?
@24 They'd call the city hall as advised.
Also, your reductio argument is hardly relevant as FIG aren't a federal part of the UK. They manage their own affairs, to a far greater level than a city hall or even an Argentine province.
@24 The British Embassy would mobilise the third secretary to pay a visit, gather information and liaise with the local Honorary Consul on the situation. No British Honorary Consul in Chubut? I think I know just the person to fill this prestigious appointment.....
”In fact the British Government did respond at the time [early April 2012], saying that it would forward the request on to the Falkland Islands’ Government (FIG) to whom it should have been addressed in the first place. Since then the FIG has written to the Argentine Embassy in London to say that it is prepared to sit down and discuss a range of issues; a response that appears to have been ignored.”
Another Argentine/CFK political stunt that ignores the wishes of those who matter - the next of kin. Heartless and undemocratic, promoting her own image at the expense of relatives feelings. Dreadful woman.
Well we know that Windows is not compatible with Linux or OSX, Malvinista diplomacy is not compatible with internationally accepted norms and notions of decency. Until they start to address the right people and show a little common courtesy and respect........ F**k 'em. Toddler diplomacy has no place in the grown up world.
They did, but the false misguided pride of the Arg government is more important than the legacy of the war dead or the feelings of the bereaved families. To contact the FIG would be to acknowledge their authority, and that's not going to happen.
@18 Perhaps if you'd given the poor sods dog tags!
@20 Of course I'm not a soldier. I'm 63. Don't know what argieland sent over in '82 but it's unlikely they were soldiers. Except possibly in the heat of battle, proper soldiers don't lock unarmed civilians, including children, in buildings for days without food or water. Proper soldiers don't crap in people's bathtubs, beds and over their furniture. Proper soldiers don't site artillery weapons between people's homes. Proper soldiers don't paint red crosses on everything for protection. Those are the actions of bully boys, animals and cowards.
@24 Futaleufu? You have to be kidding. There can't be any such place. Nobody would be dumb enough to give anywhere such a stupid name. Surely it's Futile of you? A very appropriate argie name. And surely there can't be any real Brits living in the wilderness?
@25 But then most Germans were an honest enemy. Not the nazis of course. Where did the nazis run to? Oh yes, I remember.
@30 How many real next of kin are there likely to be after 30 years?
@32 Just as a matter of interest, who has any idea how long a corpse would last in the soil of the Falkland Islands? Would there be anything left?
To Conqueror
Your comments are about as Low Browed as you can get, you obviously are a medical case, but I reserve my pity for those poor people who live downwind of you.
''On that day at an official ceremony the Argentine president said she had addressed a letter to the Red Cross president asking him to intermediate before British authorities so that the unnamed graves in ***Malvinas*** (since 1982) could be identified.''
There is no response from the United Kingdom as it does not recognise something called 'Malvinas' and before long may not recognise something called Argentina either!
Once again, its a cruel ploy to keep the Falklands on their political agenda. There are no holds barred when it comes to this, like the repeat complaint that missile testing is a threat to Argentina and other South American countries. What they fail to say, to pull the wool over their poor deluded citizens eyes, are that these tests (normal routine tests held every year) are for short range air defence missiles that could not fly much further than five miles...hardly a threat to anyone hundreds of miles away. Again, its all a ploy and propaganda to keep the islands in the news and any attention away from more disturbing domestic troubles that they wish their folk to take less notice of.
This is a heartless and despicable political stunt, orchestrated at the expense of the bereaved. The boys lying at Darwin are entitled to the respect due to the fallen soldier and should be left in peace unless their families decide otherwise. This should include families, of which there are many, who have adopted the grave of an unknown soldier. The Red Cross are well advised not to become caught up in Kristina's grubby scheming.
Doesn't really matter that honoria because nothing will happen to those grave without the say so of the Falkland Islands Government, and old plastic face won't enter into dialogue with the FIG on any issue at all.
All this does is make the Argentine Government look stupid (which does seem to be what they like to do mind).
If I was the Red Cross I would be furious at being 'played' in this way by Argentina. Never mind, pretty soon Argentina will have exhausted every international body (except the ICJ, of course) and will have to go back to mumbling in the corner.
Utterly disgusting. That sick **** CFK is using those corpses in her ongoing campaign of harassment of the Falkland Islanders. If not for the feelings of the remaining relatives of the dead invaders, I'd dig them all up and send them back to where they came from. We'd save the RG special forensic groups the trip. They could desecrate and molest the corpses as much as they like back home in Argentina. You can bet if the FIG granted the vile witch CFK the authority to carry out this stunt; she'd make it a macabre theatrical spectacle, complete with TV crews and musical backing. Words fail me. Absolutely f***ing disgusting.
I think the FIG should lead by example and tell Argentina the war graves are out of reach, they must be respected...end of story. I agree with @45...using the corpses for propaganda purposes and harassment....that's sickening!!
#36 There are still a lot of next of kin, and indeed a lot of ex-combatants who have been abused and neglected by the CFK administration. This is a cruel and disgraceful political stunt with no regard for them, and no regard for common humanity
How is it different from the UK? The UK only follows the international rules when they want to, otherwise they enter coalitions of the willing or such other illegal and criminal contraptual arrangements.
@49
The coalition of the willing, whatever you may think of it, was legal under international law, and supported by those UN resolutions you guys are so fond of.
Try naming a case of the UK violating international rules that stands up to examination.
What's your evidence that these formerly unarmed cvilians have got any heavy weaponry at all? I haven't seen them with tanks, helicopters, or artillery myself.
And what's your evidence that they got these weapons they apparently don't have from the UK? And why would it be wrong if they did?
There's that nasty smell in the air again!!! The smell of politicing with the remains of the dead! is there no respect anymore? Is there no line that will not be crossed?
As an ex serviceman, I would dearly love these men to be identified, to be given back their names, they fought for their country, they at least deserve that. Not for their next of kin but for them, anyone stop for a single moment and think what they might have wanted.
DNA these guys, send the Data to the people who have abandonned them and leave it up to them, if they had a single ounce decency, they would do the right thing. Though some how I doubt it, because they would be throwing away a political pawn!!!!
I still think we are all still missing the point. The point being, what would these men want, I defy anyone to suggest they would not want their names back!!
The Falkland Islanders respect and tend thesee graves, I think they, their government, if they chose to, should DNA them, it can be done, there are numerous reputable Archeological Agencies who could do the job properly.
The data would then be there, with which ever agency conducted the test, for any relative, of an unknown, to provide a comparrison sample for identification.
I really find it sick, that in this day and age,with the technology we have, we deny a basic right to these men. The right to be a person, to be given back the most fundamental of all rights, an identity.
Sod KFC and her sick politics, do it because, in the end we all know, it is the right to do. Put an end to her to the abuse of these mens memory.
If the families then choose to let them rest there, then so be it.
This is a ploy by CFK to get publicity for her failed cause, but once it is over, it's over.
The Red Cross should approach the FIG, as they know money has been raised in the Falklands for their cause and I believe their First Aid courses have been run there.
Very interestingly there are some Argentine families who want their relations bodies repatriated, so this could be sorted out.
However if the Argentine and Red Cross authorities refuse to talk to FIG, it would be time again for the MLA's to do something to earn their wages, get on the TV and expose the Argentine government's real reason for this which is to bitch about their false claims to sovereignity, again.
It wasexcellent that the FIG asserted their case at the UN24 and at every opportunity they should exercise the increasing control of their foreign policy that HMG is allowing them, as evidenced at the UN24 this year.
Also if the FIG has offered to talk to the Red Cross, why has this not been publicised, that they have?
”57 PB
You're right it must be in part a ploy on to which CFK has sunk her fangs in to. No doubt there are poor mothers wanting to know if their sons truly did meet their ends in far off lands and no doubt time is not on their side. However there are other parents that have had a world of pain and don't wish to re-live it, mercopress has already reported these 2 factions. It would not have arisen had argentina not invaded and then refused to take back the bodies. The fault lies with argentina and the delay in response is british due diligence.
What a plank. Syria is a country that operates conscription and is awash in small arms. Most of the stuff the rebels operate is either what they already own or have captured from the army, and lots of them have the training to use it....
The heaviest thing I have seen them use was a captured T55 tank in Aleppo- the Syrian army has hundreds of them. Few weapons from the gulf states who oppose Asad seem to have arrived yet.
As to the identification of dead Argentine soldiers - this is a matter for the Argentines to discuss with the proper authorities in London and Port Stanley. I don't know if Argentina has an equivalent of our war-graves commision - they are the people who should be handling this issue.
I can understand the point of view of those families who want to know where their loved ones are buried.
We stand to lose nothing in letting the Argentinians re-opening the wounds of the past - it may make them reflect on the futulity and waste of their war of aggression 1982 and make them less likely to support a second attack.
It strengthens our hand - we appear to be the better people, magnaminous and compasionate in victory.
I am in favour of it as long as CFK does not politicise it.
Think some on here would do to remeber WHY so many or these graves sadly have no name.
The British forces after each battle- ASKED- the Arg Officers to help them indentify their own dead and put names to them(as they wore no I.D,discs).
Mostly the Arg Officers REFUSED to do so.
Today these poor lads rest in peace - and every grave has been adopted by a grieving Argentine family.
You'll have to excuse SussieUS. she was on day release from the secure unit but day she just didn't come back. We are hoping that we can hunt her down and sterilise her before she procreates. We don't want that kind of madness in the gene pool, imagine what that could lead to!!
@ 61 I agree entirely. Lets not forget that the Argentine cemetery was put in place out of respect for the fallen by the Brits. Today the curator is stretched to repaint the crosses which he does out of his own pocket. Lots of those young conscript lads from the tropics didnt even know they were in the Falklands and were cannon fodder for their countries mistaken ideas,badly lead from behind by their arrogant officers who treated them like dirt. May they rest in peace
On Wednesday, Romney told NBC that it was unclear whether the issues that have plagued the final preparations for the London Games could be overcome. Romney said London’s Olympic preparations were disconcerting and also stated, Seems like a struggel, it’s hard to know just how well it will turn out...
...Cameron later suggested that Romney had a much easier time overseeing the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City because they took place in the middle of nowhere...
So much for anglo-saxons and their sense of diplomacy... hahahahahahahahaha, this is great stuff. Didn't know anglos were good at soap operas too.
He is rather anti brit,
We never tire of reminding you silly guys of this,
And the next president, spent the whole day saying sorry,
As for salt lake city, in the desert,
A remark understood by us, and totally flunked by you,
Las Vegas suffers the same remark, a city in the desert.
Get it, ttt
It just goes to show that your stupendous intellect is beginning to fail you. On top of that you're lying, there was no thread that had the same number of comments as this one!!!!
Yes my dear Simon they did... the article about CFK not attending the opening ceremonies had the same number of answers (63) last night as this thread, and by the way that Olympics article is IMMEDIATELY BELOW THIS ARTICLE in the sequence of news under the Argentina section, which makes it totally plausible for me to have pressed the wrong one, especially if they both had the same number of answers.
Go and count the response times for reply number 63 in each and confirm it yourself:12:37 am here by redpoll, and then my repliy 64 came at 1:10am.
Look at the other article then: 10:42pm by Conor was reply 63... reply 64 came at 2:49am by Zhivago.
Which confirms both articles had 63 replies after 12:37am last night. And as I said both articles are next to each other in the Argentina section.
I should be a detective huh?
So not only I do have stupendous intellect, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar.
@ 59 briton
Hey, didn't you release you name, home address and phone number to attract males? That's what you get big gay:
G.Briton, 112 Tintagel Castle, Cornwall UK, Post Code PL 34 OHE, Tel. White Hall 1212.
Salute!
@51. comon then you sack of Sh1t, where is you proof? Yet again you provide nothing but hearsay, innuendos, and false accusations. You, yet again have proven yourself to be a fascist of the highest order.
You have no morals, no soul, no nothing. You are infact a sad pathetic individual who prays on others misfortune as if it was a badge of honour.
I have witnessed your posts here many times Tobias, very Racist, very homophobic, and very in-humane.
You say that you are educated? lol, sry, but i have to disagree profoundly.
From what i can see, you are only here to promote hostilities, and possibly to recruit other half-wits like Sussie here, to join your cause (although i think your scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one).
You are so blinded by your hatred of the UK (from what i don't know) that you can not see any reason at all.
I really do Pity you Tobias, you are not intelligent, it is plain and simple to us all here, you have no life, no loved ones, no nothing........... Shame really.
At the end of the Falklands War, the argentine government refused to allow any relatives to repatriate the bodies of their loved ones despite many requests to do so. This was for cynical and despicable political reasons to keep an emotional argentine toehold in the Falklands.
Now is the ideal time to ask the Red Cross to intervene and arrange for all bodies to be returned to argentina enabling better access by relatives and for argentina to investigate unidentified bodies.
The international Red Cross should exhume the bodies, take their forensic tests, then place the remains in a numbered coffin covered with the Argentine flag, and return them to Argentina, where the Argentines can rebury them with full military honours. Each grave will be marked with the number on the coffin, which will be connected to the forensic tests done by the ICRC.
Any Argentine family that wants to know if it is their relative in one of the graves, only needs to submit a DNA sample for comparison. Once a match is made, the grave can then be properly marked.
This would be the ideal time to remove the bodies back to Argentina, as they would be disinterred for the forensic tests anyway, and it's way past time that these young men were returned home.
For too long the Argentine government has used the presence of Argentine fallen in the Falklands as some sort of 'proof' that they own the Islands, and this disrespectful use of the dead should be ended once and for all by returning all Argentine soldiers home to Argentina.
I know that this may be against the wishes of many of the families of the fallen, who take comfort in the fact that their sons graves are far better respected and attended than they would be if they were in Argentina, but until the Argentine government learns to have respect for the dead, whether they be Argentine, British or of any other nation, then this would be the best solution.
#51
A bit late in the day, but Turkey has admitted to supplying weapons to the Syrian Freedom Fighters - we don't deal in Kalashnikovs. The heavy weaponry is being supplied by Syrian Army defectors, but it is a pitiful amount.
It is nice to see that you support a dictatorial regime which is hell bent in slaughtering its civilian population.
I wonder why the Falkland Islanders are suspicious of the Argentine ?
@65 Frank,
He's rather past the Dropkick classification, l think.
Theres half-wits,
There's nit-wits,
There's f***wits,
Then there is TTT.
ln a class sll of his own.
Sad.
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Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Drums roll! Trumpet! Cnock Cnock!
Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure argies can figure how high they'll bounce. No more argie scum on British Islands. Dead or alive!
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Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the request to send forensic teams for the identification of Argentine soldiers buried in the Falklands is not necessarily unanimous among the next of kin. Some support it enthusiastically while others prefer to keep things as they are and not remove the pain thirty years on.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cfk dosent give a shit whos graves she dances on, if she thinks she can get a point over the british reguarding the Falklands!
Now that's funny. No international forum is complete without the Argentines pleading for direct dialogue with the UK, while CFK herself does not shrink from personally accosting DC with an envelope full of old UN resolutions.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet here on this emotional issue she and Timerman are apparently so overcome with shyness they need the Red Cross to act as their intermediary.
I'm touched. And surely only a churlish cynic could conclude that the Red Cross and the dead are being used in a cheap attempt to portray Argentina as the poor victim of the heartless Brits.
It's pointless addressing the letter to London, they will have to address it to the Falkland Islands Government, whose responibility it is as the bodies are interred on their land. The British Government should make this very clear to the International Committee of the Red Cross.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm all for an independent ICRC team removing the remains of these Argentine soldiers, identifying them, and then returning the remains to their relatives.
That should be the only acceptable outcome. I wonder what CFK would say to that?
7- your are quite correct! That is why they are in limbo over their speeches about flights and fisheries- UK has referred it to FIG - who wrote to their Ambassador in London saying basically that yes the FI Govt was prepared to sit and talk about Fisheries anc Communications in general - with the UK at the table head and acting as Chair.- but ARG and FIG talking to and negotiating with each other across it.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That has sort of buggered them! If they say yes - then that means they recognise we exist - and thus all sorts of things start to follow internationally.
If they say NO - and ever raise the issue of nobody prepared to talk again - then UK will shoot them down in flames!
its just another exuse, to pile on the pressure.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should open fishing season in Antartica Argentina and give the rest of the world licenses to fish. No more protectionism for british resources, let's start a fish grab fest.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0their is no
Jul 25th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Antartica Argentina
#11 Cool that means we will fish in the south of Argentina under the watchful eyes of nobody.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#10
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So that we are all clear what you are talking about.
Please give us your claim to territories and seas , with delineations in Latitude and Longitude
I would suggest that it would be better for the next of kin who wish to repatriate their dead relatives bodies to deal with the Red Cross directly who will, in turn, contact the FIG to deal with their request in a no fuss/ dignified manner
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just see this as another opportunity for a crass stunt by CFK - the woman clearly has no shame on past record and if she really cares about the war dead then I can't see what is wrong with my suggestion.
LOL @10
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go ahead and try, see what'll happen.
ARG: We'll grant you licences to fish in Antarctic waters!
ROW: Oh, has the Antarctic treaty expired?
ARG: Er...no, but we say you can fish there!
ROW: Riiight... and which part of Antarctic waters are yours to grant fishing rights in?
ARG: There!
ROW: Er...that appears to include British and Chilean Antarctic territories.
ARG: That doesn't matter! Antartica Arrrrgentina!
ROW: Well let's see...the Antarctic treaty is still in force so by attempting to grant fishing rights you've reneged on the agreement thereby voiding any participation by yourselves on what goes on in Antarctica.
ARG: Er......is no fair! (sniff)
ROW: too bad, that's how the world works......oh no...stop crying please, God this is so embarrassing....
ARG: Waaaaaaa!!
:o)
Would it not be better, for the International Red Cross,
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To send in special forensic groups to travel to the Argentine mainland ,to identify
The untold thousands of innocent murdered people,
Buried in unnamed graves there .
.
@16
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirat-Hunter will sell them a licence to fish for corpses in the River Plate Estuary.
#5 Why do some support it enthusiasticly, and why should they're views (the majority view I imagine) matter less - would it be dancing on they're graves for her not to try and identify they're loved ones?
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You miss the point of the exercise,
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But as you know her, better than the rest of us,
Perhaps you would like to divulge to us , WHY, CFK want this,,
And why does she not just contact the Falklanders and ask them,
Its called communication.
@1 I can see you are not a soldier. A soldier would NEVER treat the dead body of its enemy in any bad way. We respect each other in battle and in death.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Is that a fact now , little RG sunshine......
Jul 26th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why does KFC keep using the RG dead as pawns in her grubby little game?
yawn... they forwarded this to the islanders. they said yes lets talk. argy refuse to talk...
Jul 26th, 2012 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/argentina-complains-of-provocation/
Jul 26th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
So if there is a problem with British nationals in Futaleufu department, Chubut province , who do the British call to negotiate with: Futaleufu City Hall @ Esquel, or do they call Buenos Aires CF?
Jul 26th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure they call Buenos Aires. Now how would London react if the federal government told them don't call us, call Futaleufu City Hall and discuss the matter with them?
@20 My views exactly. Thank you Thats why there is a German war cemetery in Staffordshire
Jul 26th, 2012 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24 They'd call the city hall as advised.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, your reductio argument is hardly relevant as FIG aren't a federal part of the UK. They manage their own affairs, to a far greater level than a city hall or even an Argentine province.
@24 The British Embassy would mobilise the third secretary to pay a visit, gather information and liaise with the local Honorary Consul on the situation. No British Honorary Consul in Chubut? I think I know just the person to fill this prestigious appointment.....
Jul 26th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Clyde15 (#)
Jul 26th, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm
What would be the point. Argentine claims change with the wind.
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Jul 26th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0”In fact the British Government did respond at the time [early April 2012], saying that it would forward the request on to the Falkland Islands’ Government (FIG) to whom it should have been addressed in the first place. Since then the FIG has written to the Argentine Embassy in London to say that it is prepared to sit down and discuss a range of issues; a response that appears to have been ignored.”
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/return-to-sender-address-unknown/
Another Argentine/CFK political stunt that ignores the wishes of those who matter - the next of kin. Heartless and undemocratic, promoting her own image at the expense of relatives feelings. Dreadful woman.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well we know that Windows is not compatible with Linux or OSX, Malvinista diplomacy is not compatible with internationally accepted norms and notions of decency. Until they start to address the right people and show a little common courtesy and respect........ F**k 'em. Toddler diplomacy has no place in the grown up world.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Deaths of soldiers should not be a subject for levity or insult, no matter from what country they come from.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0So did the UK not respond in June or did they advise the Argentines/Red Cross to contact the FIG about it?
Jul 26th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0They did, but the false misguided pride of the Arg government is more important than the legacy of the war dead or the feelings of the bereaved families. To contact the FIG would be to acknowledge their authority, and that's not going to happen.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0So they are lying then? Quelle surprise!
Jul 26th, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Perhaps if you'd given the poor sods dog tags!
Jul 26th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Of course I'm not a soldier. I'm 63. Don't know what argieland sent over in '82 but it's unlikely they were soldiers. Except possibly in the heat of battle, proper soldiers don't lock unarmed civilians, including children, in buildings for days without food or water. Proper soldiers don't crap in people's bathtubs, beds and over their furniture. Proper soldiers don't site artillery weapons between people's homes. Proper soldiers don't paint red crosses on everything for protection. Those are the actions of bully boys, animals and cowards.
@24 Futaleufu? You have to be kidding. There can't be any such place. Nobody would be dumb enough to give anywhere such a stupid name. Surely it's Futile of you? A very appropriate argie name. And surely there can't be any real Brits living in the wilderness?
@25 But then most Germans were an honest enemy. Not the nazis of course. Where did the nazis run to? Oh yes, I remember.
@30 How many real next of kin are there likely to be after 30 years?
@32 Just as a matter of interest, who has any idea how long a corpse would last in the soil of the Falkland Islands? Would there be anything left?
To Conqueror
Jul 26th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your comments are about as Low Browed as you can get, you obviously are a medical case, but I reserve my pity for those poor people who live downwind of you.
@ 33 Idlehands
Jul 26th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0So did the UK not respond in June or did they advise the Argentines/Red Cross to contact the FIG about it?
Answer w/ link in # 29.
''On that day at an official ceremony the Argentine president said she had addressed a letter to the Red Cross president asking him to intermediate before British authorities so that the unnamed graves in ***Malvinas*** (since 1982) could be identified.''
Jul 26th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no response from the United Kingdom as it does not recognise something called 'Malvinas' and before long may not recognise something called Argentina either!
Once again, its a cruel ploy to keep the Falklands on their political agenda. There are no holds barred when it comes to this, like the repeat complaint that missile testing is a threat to Argentina and other South American countries. What they fail to say, to pull the wool over their poor deluded citizens eyes, are that these tests (normal routine tests held every year) are for short range air defence missiles that could not fly much further than five miles...hardly a threat to anyone hundreds of miles away. Again, its all a ploy and propaganda to keep the islands in the news and any attention away from more disturbing domestic troubles that they wish their folk to take less notice of.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a heartless and despicable political stunt, orchestrated at the expense of the bereaved. The boys lying at Darwin are entitled to the respect due to the fallen soldier and should be left in peace unless their families decide otherwise. This should include families, of which there are many, who have adopted the grave of an unknown soldier. The Red Cross are well advised not to become caught up in Kristina's grubby scheming.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't really matter that honoria because nothing will happen to those grave without the say so of the Falkland Islands Government, and old plastic face won't enter into dialogue with the FIG on any issue at all.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this does is make the Argentine Government look stupid (which does seem to be what they like to do mind).
All this does is make the Argentine Government look stupid
Jul 26th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, they have plastic surgeons for that.
If I was the Red Cross I would be furious at being 'played' in this way by Argentina. Never mind, pretty soon Argentina will have exhausted every international body (except the ICJ, of course) and will have to go back to mumbling in the corner.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Utterly disgusting. That sick **** CFK is using those corpses in her ongoing campaign of harassment of the Falkland Islanders. If not for the feelings of the remaining relatives of the dead invaders, I'd dig them all up and send them back to where they came from. We'd save the RG special forensic groups the trip. They could desecrate and molest the corpses as much as they like back home in Argentina. You can bet if the FIG granted the vile witch CFK the authority to carry out this stunt; she'd make it a macabre theatrical spectacle, complete with TV crews and musical backing. Words fail me. Absolutely f***ing disgusting.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the FIG should lead by example and tell Argentina the war graves are out of reach, they must be respected...end of story. I agree with @45...using the corpses for propaganda purposes and harassment....that's sickening!!
Jul 26th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36 There are still a lot of next of kin, and indeed a lot of ex-combatants who have been abused and neglected by the CFK administration. This is a cruel and disgraceful political stunt with no regard for them, and no regard for common humanity
Jul 26th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Argentina does not comply with the ICJ judgements unless it suits her
Jul 26th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Jul 26th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is it different from the UK? The UK only follows the international rules when they want to, otherwise they enter coalitions of the willing or such other illegal and criminal contraptual arrangements.
@49
Jul 26th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49
The coalition of the willing, whatever you may think of it, was legal under international law, and supported by those UN resolutions you guys are so fond of.
Try naming a case of the UK violating international rules that stands up to examination.
Easy, the rebels in Syria... or do you think those formerly unarmed civilians got heavy weaponry overnight?
Jul 26th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clear sign the American, French, UK, etc have been supplying them arms along with the Gulf states.
Just because you do it under subterfuge does not mean it is any less criminal. The UK is a criminal gov, end of story.
@51
Jul 26th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's your evidence that these formerly unarmed cvilians have got any heavy weaponry at all? I haven't seen them with tanks, helicopters, or artillery myself.
And what's your evidence that they got these weapons they apparently don't have from the UK? And why would it be wrong if they did?
There's that nasty smell in the air again!!! The smell of politicing with the remains of the dead! is there no respect anymore? Is there no line that will not be crossed?
Jul 26th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an ex serviceman, I would dearly love these men to be identified, to be given back their names, they fought for their country, they at least deserve that. Not for their next of kin but for them, anyone stop for a single moment and think what they might have wanted.
DNA these guys, send the Data to the people who have abandonned them and leave it up to them, if they had a single ounce decency, they would do the right thing. Though some how I doubt it, because they would be throwing away a political pawn!!!!
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Jul 26th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Jul 26th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you implying bitch?
I still think we are all still missing the point. The point being, what would these men want, I defy anyone to suggest they would not want their names back!!
Jul 26th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders respect and tend thesee graves, I think they, their government, if they chose to, should DNA them, it can be done, there are numerous reputable Archeological Agencies who could do the job properly.
The data would then be there, with which ever agency conducted the test, for any relative, of an unknown, to provide a comparrison sample for identification.
I really find it sick, that in this day and age,with the technology we have, we deny a basic right to these men. The right to be a person, to be given back the most fundamental of all rights, an identity.
Sod KFC and her sick politics, do it because, in the end we all know, it is the right to do. Put an end to her to the abuse of these mens memory.
If the families then choose to let them rest there, then so be it.
This is a ploy by CFK to get publicity for her failed cause, but once it is over, it's over.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Red Cross should approach the FIG, as they know money has been raised in the Falklands for their cause and I believe their First Aid courses have been run there.
Very interestingly there are some Argentine families who want their relations bodies repatriated, so this could be sorted out.
However if the Argentine and Red Cross authorities refuse to talk to FIG, it would be time again for the MLA's to do something to earn their wages, get on the TV and expose the Argentine government's real reason for this which is to bitch about their false claims to sovereignity, again.
It wasexcellent that the FIG asserted their case at the UN24 and at every opportunity they should exercise the increasing control of their foreign policy that HMG is allowing them, as evidenced at the UN24 this year.
Also if the FIG has offered to talk to the Red Cross, why has this not been publicised, that they have?
”57 PB
Jul 26th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're right it must be in part a ploy on to which CFK has sunk her fangs in to. No doubt there are poor mothers wanting to know if their sons truly did meet their ends in far off lands and no doubt time is not on their side. However there are other parents that have had a world of pain and don't wish to re-live it, mercopress has already reported these 2 factions. It would not have arisen had argentina not invaded and then refused to take back the bodies. The fault lies with argentina and the delay in response is british due diligence.
55 Conor
Jul 26th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have sent her to Coventry,
Just ignore .
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@Truth telling troll
Jul 26th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a plank. Syria is a country that operates conscription and is awash in small arms. Most of the stuff the rebels operate is either what they already own or have captured from the army, and lots of them have the training to use it....
The heaviest thing I have seen them use was a captured T55 tank in Aleppo- the Syrian army has hundreds of them. Few weapons from the gulf states who oppose Asad seem to have arrived yet.
As to the identification of dead Argentine soldiers - this is a matter for the Argentines to discuss with the proper authorities in London and Port Stanley. I don't know if Argentina has an equivalent of our war-graves commision - they are the people who should be handling this issue.
I can understand the point of view of those families who want to know where their loved ones are buried.
We stand to lose nothing in letting the Argentinians re-opening the wounds of the past - it may make them reflect on the futulity and waste of their war of aggression 1982 and make them less likely to support a second attack.
It strengthens our hand - we appear to be the better people, magnaminous and compasionate in victory.
I am in favour of it as long as CFK does not politicise it.
Think some on here would do to remeber WHY so many or these graves sadly have no name.
Jul 26th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British forces after each battle- ASKED- the Arg Officers to help them indentify their own dead and put names to them(as they wore no I.D,discs).
Mostly the Arg Officers REFUSED to do so.
Today these poor lads rest in peace - and every grave has been adopted by a grieving Argentine family.
55 Conor
Jul 26th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll have to excuse SussieUS. she was on day release from the secure unit but day she just didn't come back. We are hoping that we can hunt her down and sterilise her before she procreates. We don't want that kind of madness in the gene pool, imagine what that could lead to!!
@ 61 I agree entirely. Lets not forget that the Argentine cemetery was put in place out of respect for the fallen by the Brits. Today the curator is stretched to repaint the crosses which he does out of his own pocket. Lots of those young conscript lads from the tropics didnt even know they were in the Falklands and were cannon fodder for their countries mistaken ideas,badly lead from behind by their arrogant officers who treated them like dirt. May they rest in peace
Jul 27th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is getting better by the minute!!
Jul 27th, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/story/British-PM-calls-Utah-Middle-of-Nowhere-following/nf6_Ox3XakmXl_VrORKzUw.cspx
On Wednesday, Romney told NBC that it was unclear whether the issues that have plagued the final preparations for the London Games could be overcome. Romney said London’s Olympic preparations were disconcerting and also stated, Seems like a struggel, it’s hard to know just how well it will turn out...
...Cameron later suggested that Romney had a much easier time overseeing the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City because they took place in the middle of nowhere...
So much for anglo-saxons and their sense of diplomacy... hahahahahahahahaha, this is great stuff. Didn't know anglos were good at soap operas too.
@64.... try and stay on topic you dropkick....
Jul 27th, 2012 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you did'nt care about the olympics TTT......
Jul 27th, 2012 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I detect jealousy..........
It's a good job that they are'nt being staged in BA isn't it, the Olympic torch would be the only light source, due to the power cuts.......
He is rather anti brit,
Jul 27th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0We never tire of reminding you silly guys of this,
And the next president, spent the whole day saying sorry,
As for salt lake city, in the desert,
A remark understood by us, and totally flunked by you,
Las Vegas suffers the same remark, a city in the desert.
Get it, ttt
Sorry, I put that response in the wrong article. They both had the same number of answers at the time so I must have confused them.
Jul 27th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that the main point is nontheless true.
@66
That's why we don't pretend to have the means to organize an Olympic Games. We can't, but better yet, we are smart enough not to.
68 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jul 27th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It just goes to show that your stupendous intellect is beginning to fail you. On top of that you're lying, there was no thread that had the same number of comments as this one!!!!
Yes my dear Simon they did... the article about CFK not attending the opening ceremonies had the same number of answers (63) last night as this thread, and by the way that Olympics article is IMMEDIATELY BELOW THIS ARTICLE in the sequence of news under the Argentina section, which makes it totally plausible for me to have pressed the wrong one, especially if they both had the same number of answers.
Jul 27th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go and count the response times for reply number 63 in each and confirm it yourself:12:37 am here by redpoll, and then my repliy 64 came at 1:10am.
Look at the other article then: 10:42pm by Conor was reply 63... reply 64 came at 2:49am by Zhivago.
Which confirms both articles had 63 replies after 12:37am last night. And as I said both articles are next to each other in the Argentina section.
I should be a detective huh?
So not only I do have stupendous intellect, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar.
@ 59 briton
Jul 27th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, didn't you release you name, home address and phone number to attract males? That's what you get big gay:
G.Briton, 112 Tintagel Castle, Cornwall UK, Post Code PL 34 OHE, Tel. White Hall 1212.
Salute!
@71
Jul 27th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah that's mature. Tell me Sussie, when you go through a door do you have to open them or can you just crawl underneath?
@51. comon then you sack of Sh1t, where is you proof? Yet again you provide nothing but hearsay, innuendos, and false accusations. You, yet again have proven yourself to be a fascist of the highest order.
Jul 27th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no morals, no soul, no nothing. You are infact a sad pathetic individual who prays on others misfortune as if it was a badge of honour.
I have witnessed your posts here many times Tobias, very Racist, very homophobic, and very in-humane.
You say that you are educated? lol, sry, but i have to disagree profoundly.
From what i can see, you are only here to promote hostilities, and possibly to recruit other half-wits like Sussie here, to join your cause (although i think your scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one).
You are so blinded by your hatred of the UK (from what i don't know) that you can not see any reason at all.
I really do Pity you Tobias, you are not intelligent, it is plain and simple to us all here, you have no life, no loved ones, no nothing........... Shame really.
p.s. I am not British, but i am European
[ 71]
Jul 28th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0coventry
@74 I agree.
Jul 28th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 71 COVENTRY
At the end of the Falklands War, the argentine government refused to allow any relatives to repatriate the bodies of their loved ones despite many requests to do so. This was for cynical and despicable political reasons to keep an emotional argentine toehold in the Falklands.
Jul 28th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now is the ideal time to ask the Red Cross to intervene and arrange for all bodies to be returned to argentina enabling better access by relatives and for argentina to investigate unidentified bodies.
@76 -Eddieposted
Jul 28th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree.
The international Red Cross should exhume the bodies, take their forensic tests, then place the remains in a numbered coffin covered with the Argentine flag, and return them to Argentina, where the Argentines can rebury them with full military honours. Each grave will be marked with the number on the coffin, which will be connected to the forensic tests done by the ICRC.
Any Argentine family that wants to know if it is their relative in one of the graves, only needs to submit a DNA sample for comparison. Once a match is made, the grave can then be properly marked.
This would be the ideal time to remove the bodies back to Argentina, as they would be disinterred for the forensic tests anyway, and it's way past time that these young men were returned home.
For too long the Argentine government has used the presence of Argentine fallen in the Falklands as some sort of 'proof' that they own the Islands, and this disrespectful use of the dead should be ended once and for all by returning all Argentine soldiers home to Argentina.
I know that this may be against the wishes of many of the families of the fallen, who take comfort in the fact that their sons graves are far better respected and attended than they would be if they were in Argentina, but until the Argentine government learns to have respect for the dead, whether they be Argentine, British or of any other nation, then this would be the best solution.
. 43 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jul 28th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Btw, we did notice the 'snub' of Argentina at the opening ceremony
[explain]
Eye did not notice anything wrong .
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71 SussieUS, 72 WestisBest
Jul 29th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us also Sussie. When you go through doors does anyone even open them for you or do you find that mostly they get let go in your face?
#51
Jul 29th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit late in the day, but Turkey has admitted to supplying weapons to the Syrian Freedom Fighters - we don't deal in Kalashnikovs. The heavy weaponry is being supplied by Syrian Army defectors, but it is a pitiful amount.
It is nice to see that you support a dictatorial regime which is hell bent in slaughtering its civilian population.
I wonder why the Falkland Islanders are suspicious of the Argentine ?
@65 Frank,
Jul 30th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's rather past the Dropkick classification, l think.
Theres half-wits,
There's nit-wits,
There's f***wits,
Then there is TTT.
ln a class sll of his own.
Sad.
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