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Argentina plans to explore for oil and gas next to the Falklands
As part of its “Malvinas noose tightening” policy the Argentine government is planning an international tender to offer licenses to explore for oil near the Falkland Islands, reports Buenos Aires main daily Clarin in its Monday edition, citing a letter to Congress by Cabinet chief Juan Manuel Abal Median. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesthe Argentine government “is waiting for a better political moment for the national and international bidding process ............Well thats going to take a millenium to change !
Jul 30th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again Argentina is trying to 'sell' something that doesn't belong to them.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect like the 'fisheries' licenses they will have no takers as it would be violating international law.
The bit about 'tightening the noose' around the 'mythical' Malvinas, that can't be found on any map, is amusing, but it once again shows that Argentina's aggression towards the Falklanders is alive and kicking, and we should keep a very close eye on them.
By the way, Argentina, any company that tired to drill in the Falklands EEC without the permission of the Falkland Islands Government would:
1. Be detained by the Royal Navy and their assets seized.
2. Have a civil court case brought against them by the Falkland Islands Government.
These things, of course, would no doubt be very expensive for a company. In fact, considering Argentina's propensity to 'nationalise' (steal) private companies, it would be cheaper for these international companies to legally buy their licences from the Falkland Islands Government without any legal problems, and they'll get to keep their profits too.
You see, Argentina, the world recognises that the Falkland Islands have the right to these resources, just like they recognise that the Falkland Islands are British territory. And unlike Argentina the FIG can and will take anyone violating their sovereign territory to an international court, whereas Argentina can only impotently threaten to take them to a local Argentine court that has no jurisdiction outside of Argentina.
However, this of course is nothing more than a distraction for the 'Argentine public'. One wonders just what calamity the government of CFK is trying to keep quiet.
You know, my country, the USA has namy flaws and I am fast to point them out i9n letters and emails to my reps and senators. Can someone tell me why the vast many RG's think they are so good and perfect? When one friend calls you a cow you say...WTF! When two call you a cow you look in the mirror, when three call you a cow it's time to start milking. They do not realize that they are the loathed neighbors on the block.......like someones kids raised without manners.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure what the issue/story is here - as long as they stay out of our waters they can do whatever they like in Argentinian waters................
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would laugh so much if BP put in an offer for the licenses.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enarsa? It's really called that?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Clarin speculates that if oil is found in the waters located beyond the control of the UK, Argentina will have a real geopolitical tool used in a hypothetical negotiation with Great Britain.”
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How? If they find oil, then fair enough, good for them (as long as it's not in Falklands waters).
But I am failing to see how it would essentially become a 'bargaining chip' for the UK.
4. mollymauk. i was think that earlier, argentina has every right to look for oil in their own waters how is this going to help them get the falklands?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Clarin speculates that if oil is found in the waters located beyond the control of the UK, Argentina will have a real geopolitical tool used in a hypothetical negotiation with Great Britain.” lol i can't see anyway in which this would help in negotiations!
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Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect they've been watching The Simpsons too much.
The Simpsons tap some oil + the evil Mr Burns taps the same well (at an angle) and drains it before they can get much use out of it.
Personally, doesn't seem too far from reality for what Argentina could do.
Why oh why would they waste time on Off Shore Oil exploration when they can't get anyone to explore ON SHORE?!!
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a lot cheaper and easier to do 0/g exploration on land rather than in the water.
Plus I don't see any company picking up this bid unless it is U$ upfront.
Just another stupid PR stunt that will go as far as their bullet train has...
LOL this report is a continued strategy to label Islas Malvinas Argentine with the brand name fakland island holdings as they done for years, but let us set the record straight, Argentina will not explore fakland holdings, we will be exploring Islas Malvinas Argentina and we will like to remind UK to bring their illegal aliens home and give them the rights they deserved as british civilians in UK not in Argentina.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina start drilling in their own territorial waters , good luck to them.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's their business and I imagine that no one in the Falklands could care less.
Similarly, if the Falklanders drill for oil in their territorial waters, then it is none of Argentina's business .
Fakland holding is a firm not a country and the illegal aliens are brits not coca-cola-nders, what ever brits sell we are not buying. We wish the brits luck as well drilling for oil in UK. Not in Islas Malvinas Argentina. Good try!! Play again!!
Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The last time Argentina had the asshole filleted and hand back to them on a platter of poorly trained milita. Next time it will not be a skirmish. If the RG's increase provocation of the Brits at the encouragement of hugo.......mainland RG will be suing for peace.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 yankeeboy (#)
Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:58 pm
Agreed but what price a political point to Malvinista?
#14 you might be right because I am pushing for a nuclear defense program as well as an H-bomb to deal with british threats. Maybe a small fleet of stealth subs will keep all british ships docked, I am all up for an h-bomb test camp in Puerto Argentina in Islas Malvinas Argentina, By the end there would be no illegal aliens in Islas Malvinas Argentina, UK could move on to their next war as they usually do, regardless. Argentina is just an excuse to theft resources and sell more weapons.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another blatant attempt of provocation towards Britain and Economic interference against The Falklands Government another violation of the UN charter in which Argentina is a signatory.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh by the way Argentina you are sucking in Olympic Hockey! guess who too?
16. Using your standard line again Pirat, you know it'd be more intresting if you came up with something new!.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A nuke would not help you in any way in regards to the islands. The fact that you think it does just demonstrates the level of your intellect.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We had nukes in 82, didn't make a blind bit of difference. If Argentina had nukes tomorrow, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
Also, nuking the islands would not only stop Argentina from getting the islands, but would also have radiation sweep back onto mainland Argentina. Likely deforming and killing children in mainland Argentina.
Actually i have no idea why i even replied. You clearly are a moron.
@11, 13, 16 You've been reading too many Marvel Comics. Probably the best you can manage. Let's get something straight. There is no such place as Islas Malvinas Argentina. Explore in Falklands waters and we'll blow your fecking heads off. And, sonny, you lot couldn't manage a stealth rowboat. Our next “war” won't be with you losers. It will be a massacre. Make your will, tosser!
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Pirat-Hunter (#)
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:56 pm
No. Traditionally it is the Argentine Navy that hides in port whilst the boys in the Air Force and the Army busy putting their backsides on the line for a lost Malvinista cause. I mean you lost one ship and bottled it.
Plus. Whatever your government can scrape together for a nuclear 'defence' programme (whatever that is) it will all be for naught because we are at least a generation ahead of you. More likely two. Still. Keep dreaming fella.
LOL! They might as well try selling Argentine fishing permits on the Thames :))
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#16
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wishful thinking does not materialize reality. ThermoNuclear may be a wish for RG's, but waste words by talking about them. As for subs......the ballast valves will only open. You Navy has less than 40 vessels and most are tugs and cargo with the remainder PB's. Wake up and stay of the Melatonin. Even your beloved Belgrano was a used USA leftover built from WWI. After you've been to the gym, talk tough then.
They'll get no takers for 'permits' in Falklands waters because they would be bogus and illegal. So long as they stay outside Falklands waters go ahead. Fill yer boots, none of our business, no story, no threat, nothing to see here. Move along.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“.... pushing for a nuclear defense program as well as an H-bomb to deal with british threats”
In what way pushing? Are you a politician of sorts? A man of some influence?
@16 and your the reason why i will always vote for the right of abortion, regardless of where you are from you talk like the murderous dictators past and present, wishing harm on innocent people, men women and children typical latam bravery, i hope when the chips are down you are standing at the front line for your country.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 PH
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What *are* you drinking these days? Suggest you go back onto meths - it's far safer
Oh FFS ignore troll @16 Penis-Hunter “ARGENTINA!! NUKES!!, H-BOMB!!, PIRATAS!! ILLEGAL ALIENS!!, IMPERIALISTS!! MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!! MALVINAS!! MALVINAS!! ... etc”. I suppose he still raises a resigned derisive smile and a shake of the head, but it's getting boring.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better get Marcus Alejandro (Mike Bingham) on the case to protect the poor penguins from oil polution by the newly formed Argentine Oil company Delculo :)
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Pirate Love “Argentina you are sucking in Olympic Hockey”. It seems poncing about, posing for the camera and step-ups on war memorials isn't the best preparation for competitive hockey :))
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn! It costs an awful lot of money to carry out off shore exploration and Argentina is more than welcome to carry this exploration out in their own territorial waters, although international investment could be a problem. The problem is, as we all know, is that they will position themselves at the closest possible proximity to the Falklands Territorial waters and cause as much trouble as they possibly can. Unfortunately I more certain than ever that turkey neck is itching for war before things get too disastrous in their economy and she is ousted. There is no difference between the junta and Kirchner, same ideals, different name, more Botox.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#27
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's uin his mate', it is definitely spiked. He always makes statements so far removed from reality, that's his M.O. Now he will come back calling someone a homo, racist, pervert. He is intellectually incapable of making a valid point.
Can anyone tell me please what this is supposed to mean:-
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As part of its “Malvinas noose tightening” policy” Noose tightening?
WTF?? The only noose I can possibly think of is the one that ol' turkey neck will be swinging from when her enraged populus find out that she has been robbing them all blind and lying to their faces.
Quite simple
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bgs.ac.uk/falklands-oil/images/regional/regional_basins.jpg
Anything inside the red area is the Falklands EEZ, the UK will defend it with its full strength.
Anything outside the red area is fair game. You drill there, whatever you find is yours..very very happy for you.
Argentina had shared opportunity for the red zone, but Kirchener ripped it up in a an Argentine strop. What a pity....
GB 4 Argentina 1.....to compete in the UK...train in the UK !!!
No one ever really wants to harm the frail, insane and incapable. But sometimes I jsut want to punish the shit out of Argentina because of that Botox Bitch of Buenos Aires.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remind me how it goes again? 'To lose on British soil, we train on British soil'
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that must have been it. Have a nice flight home, you could always try to apply for political asylum on the basis CFK's goons will be going through your tax returns right now.
LOL you people are funny, if all the noise you make is because you don't believe me then why even bother to say anything?? As if what i said was a threat, I have rights to support a nuclear defense programs and also the right to support an h-bomb what do all you clowns fear?? Equal rights??? We Argentines have right to a nuclear defense program and there's nothing UK or anyone can say about it. Well you can say anything you want the real questions is how often does Argentina listen to brutish illegal aliens or the world??? I have a solution to the brutish problem. Do any of you have a solution to your problem???
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 To be fair, most of the Argentine Olympic competitors aren't likely to be as mental as their president and the malvinista nutters who seem compelled to impart their acquired 'wisdom' here. Let's hope not anyway, and if not, good luck to them.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#37
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For one, you cannot build a nuclear defense program without the world powers that be. This is one area that yes, you will get bombed. Iran is pretending to build one under the premise of energy. While they are still not there, they are on the verge of knowing what the cavemen lived like. If you think you can build a nuclear defense without the superpowers knowing.....your head actually reached your small intestines. Iraq was the last to try, and quite frankly they have more bravado the an RG. 81 saw operation Opera and no more nuclear plant. There's a stigma about unstable countries having nuclear copacity. Like it or not.......not little guy, you do not have that right because stronger countires tell you so.
I checked in Google no fakland island country only a UK corporate with brutish subjects illegally occupying Islas Malvinas Argentina, we hope the threat of this british occupation end up when Argentina build a nuclear defense program to protect main land argentina from the future plans of UK and WTO and IMF who work together to theft natural resources. As they did in Libya.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26686
@38 I have no problem with individual Argentinians (although some of the posters on here seem certifiable) but re-reading my post it may have seemed that way. My derision was aimed at CFK and her bonkers propaganda.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#40
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never even got to be a nobody before Argentina became a has been.
Wake up and wipe your ass with a peso:
http://www.nti.org/country-profiles/argentina/
@40
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your point is? Do you really think that we or you for that matter give a shit? What has Libya got to do with this? Stay on the actual topic. And consider why very few people on this site actually bother to reply to you.
They have tried this before 2 yrs ago between us and TDF but their side of the line - to quote “Think” - it was a dry“duster”!
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cannot see many rushing to drill in their waters based just on 2D work either.
Just saw Team GB beat Argentina in the Hockey, trounced the cheats 4-1 should have had better training facility's other than a war memorial Argys. Give my regards to Chrissy.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In case anyone's interested, apparently Argentina are rubbish without (or maybe even with) Zylerberg in the team. Great Britain 4 Argentina 1 in Olympic Hockey! HA!
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont know what the fuss is about. As long as the RG's dont stray into UK/FI territorial waters they can drill for what they like. Stray into our territory and I guess you'll get one warning. After that you'll be in Belgrano country.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congrats in winning a match against us in the most popular women's sport in Argentina.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 040 Pirat-Hunter
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn!!!!!! put another record on please!!!
You stole our islands from us wa, wa, wa!!!
You're nothing but a bunch of Pirates!! wa, wa, wa!!!
save it for the social worker love............
@48
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Youre men cant even to win a match in a sport made for women? Ha, ha....says everything.
#48
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet Argentine men go to the Olympics and represent Argentina playing field hocky. You're insulting your own team Troll you should be called twinky.
So I hear for the first time ever the olympic flame had to be extinguised within the Olympiad. So that makes:
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) a botched anthem
2) a botched flag
3) immigration officers on strike and police cuts forcing to use the military
4) tons of empty seats on world television for all to see
5) a snub of Argentina at the OP
6) the Mitt the twit vs Borat Johnson anglo-saxon diss-fest
7) now the cauldron fiasco
Imagine if those had happened in an olympics in South America, hahaha, the racist Europeans will never be able to utter a word about any mishaps in Rio, we will promptly remind you of this (plus Atlanta and Munich).
#40
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct again. There is no place called Fakland - I checked Google also.
However there is a paradise called the Falkland Islands lying - thankfully well east of the S.A. mainland - populated by charming, honest cheerful people - unlike their moaning neighbours.
@48 No, pretty sure they were men.... well they looked like men. Unless you know otherwise? You'd better have a chat with when they get back to Argentina.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50-51
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems some of you have prejudices to work out? All I said was you beat us in what is Argentina's number 1 women's sport. FACT.
It was the two of you that somehow extrapolated from that some sort of diss.
May I suggest for both of you some anti-PC therapy.
You may.....please hold your breath waiting. I know it is.......all my wives nieces play it. So what games are manlier for you?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How I like Pirat-Hunter, he's such good fun!
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He talks about nuking the Falkland's islands which will also give his own country nuclear fall out not that it matters since Argentina is incapable of funding a nuclear program nor does it have the technology to or people to build a fleet of nuclear subs and weapons, got 250bn spare? LOL
And of course any nuclear attack on the Falkland's would result in the annihilation of Argentina by the British so I think its fair to say this is nothing more than yet another fantasy....
Still it is entertaining...
P.S. Shame about hockey eh?
@56
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHO said anything about “manly” games? I just said hockey is a female sport in Argentina. How is that suggesting it is a “girly” sport? All you can assume from that statement is that in Argentina it is a popular women's sport.
I think I hit three birds with one stone, just admit guys you fell for it. Now the joke is over, move along now... hahaha.
You are right the joke is over........so why is Argentina still here?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be so bitter and misanthropic about falling right into my cheeky comment. hahaha, if this is how you guys react in victory I shudder to think how you react in defeat (oh we know, remember the streets of Saint-Etienne in 98?)
I'm sure you guys made the schedule so that you won't see Argentina in women's hockey, mens basketball, tennis doubles, mens volleyball, and probably rugby 7s too. lol
Brazil has clearly indicated: Brazil will defend its 4.2 million sqkm “Blue Amazon” national sovereign economic zone in the South Atlantic - against foreign interests. A program to build a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines and to develop nuclear technology and to refine uranium to 20% has already begun. Brazil has also rejected the expansion of NATO into the South Atlantic - a plan envisioned by the U.S. and advaned by Germany on behalf of NATO. (See FUNDACAO KONRAD ADENAUER, archive report titled “Conferencia Seguranca Forte Copacabana” 2010 and 2011, avaialble in English).
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 04 mollymauk.2 your” waters!!??? hahahahah you're funy!!
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is ready to explore Islas Malvinas Argentina for oil. And we are not interested in fakland island holdings since this corporate belong to UK and we demand this corporation to go back home ASAP, if UK's civilians continue to threat Argentina security we demand our government in Argentina to use all our resources to build a nuclear deffense programs as the one in India, pakistan, Iran and Korea.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 Ottona Brazil can “reject” all it likes. Brazil's territorial waters extend 200 miles into the South Atlantic, no further. NATO will continue to exercise its right to free movement in Atlantic international waters, as it has for decades, from the Arctic to the Antarctic completely regardless of whether the Brazilian government likes it or not. If Brazil manages (and Argentina threatens) to construct a couple of nuclear subs we don't care, knock yourselves out. Virtually all British, American and French submarines are nuclear, and have been for more than half a century. We're really not impressed, we have dozens of them, far more capable and far better crewed than anything you could aspire to.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63
Jul 30th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the true native Argentinians should also be armed with Nuclear weapons and use them against the aggression of the European Argentinians.... Much like you, you sad war mongering, twit. What a pity you aren't coming to see your national team in London. Maybe you and I could meet up for a drink... Only you get to drink a lung full of Thames water.
Machismo coward.
34 Monkey moronic we are going to make holes all round the isles just porque se nos antoja.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure all the oil its on our side, what a pity babiessssssssssssssss
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and it is Abal Medina, not Abal Median...if brtis write about latins, they dont understand the language
@67
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously have hang ups with homosexuals. Maybe you are one or were raped by your priest when you were a child, which by your rhetoric you still appear to be.
Machismo coward.
perhaps the pirate hunter is really looking the gentler side to hunt,lol.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
68
if we no understand , why do you reply.
if argentina can look for oil, near the falklands,
is it then not true, that we can look for oil next to argentina .
#69 wow there gal take it easy you would know everything there is to know about homosexuals and their life style, am not surprised, I just don't like them enough to imagine all the things you do, Do you feel man enough to kill Muslims women and children as UK and USA are doing in Afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria, egypt, somalia, Kenya, mali, Sudan, Sri lanka and Congo?? This is the wrong place to do that.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26686
This one has the potential to turn nasty - if the Argentinians miscalculate it or think we are weak we could be looking at a possible confrontation.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@pirat- hunter- you are a prat.
pirat, just out of interest, but do you actually believe the stuff you spout or are you paid to spout it regardless?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason I ask is that surely anybody who is literate, to a degree that they can read the last 12 months news of this website, can see the obvious and inexorable decline toward bankruptcy and chaos that a certain woman is causing in Argentina. She is alienating virtually all of her neighbours, pushing businesses out of not only her country but also her neighbours and she is making herself, and her country, a laughing stock.
As such I find it very hard to believe that any rational person can act as her prop unless there is some ulterior motive such as “she pays me to say it” (something, let us remind ourselves, she has a habit of doing for her rallies and speeches).
I mean should, in some alternate universe, Argentina ever manage to eject the only people with a right to the Falklands (the Falklands Island people that is) and colonise the land with Argentines.. you do realise that the only nations in the world that will still deal with Argentina will be North Korea and Venezuela?
A what a happy little holiday camp that will be...
Everyone please just ignore Pirat for the love of GOD and hell fuck off.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What happened to the massive oil shale resources in Argentina?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a bit stupid to go to the expense of drilling at sea if you've got huge known reserves on land.
In anycase, if Argentina drills in its own territorial waters, that's fine.
It doesn't matter how many resources Argentina finds as the peronists couldn't run a piss up in a brewery, and will still manage to screw up their economy.
THe Falkland Islands with limited resources do well because there's one difference between FIG and The Argentine Government .
FIG know how to manage things properly. The Argentinian Government always screws up financially.
well,
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have one in conventry,
we can always make it [2]
@64 Alexei “Brazil's territorial waters extend 200 miles into the South Atlantic”
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- That is their Exclusive Economic Zone. Their Territorial Waters only extend 12 miles offshore (like everyone else).
@71 Yawn....., you sound very much like the all to common script ranting extremist, going off topic and deflecting the issue towards muslim fantasies and propoganda, boring change ones tune,one is not amused.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Jul 31st, 2012 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just had to laugh at your post. Check out number one of the list on this article:
http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/
Not the first time you've used that one I reckon.
:o)
How did it go, TiTT?.....'To win on British soil we train on Argentine soil'??
Jul 31st, 2012 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well maybe if you'd actually done that you might not have got your arses kicked by Team GB.
I don't remember old plastic face calling field hockey a sport for girls after that bogus ad came out anyway.
@64
Jul 31st, 2012 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0And why the puck does NATO need to go up and down the Atlantic Ocean, who the hell is there out there? The Atlantians building some centrifuges?
I never understood that Euro and US obsession with projecting might in areas where there is absolutely no relevance whatsover. It is just a source of laughter for us. Imagine if Brazil or Argentina sent ships hither and thither the English Channel/La Manche, or the middle of the North Atlantic... it would be histerical.
That's what you guys are. Wasting billions on sciamachy.
Yep-proof that abusing war memorials and using benches outside a boozer can't beat using modern training facilities. Zylophone didn't even make the Olympics.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are there so many heads of state at these Olympics? Don't they have better things to do, like running their countries from years of recession?
Jul 31st, 2012 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everything is defined by the costs, including BP you should explore the Atlantic in Argentina differs from jurisdiction to do so in the ocean which corresponds to the “illegal”. As with any damage to the platform quickly scan could access those parts from the mainland. I believe that this measure of the Argentine government to stay the islands quickly without investors in finding oil.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 083
Jul 31st, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Olympics is a great networking/ deal making forum where heads of state reconfirm strong relationships and propose new business opportunities for each other to explore. But of course CFK doesn't need anyone else does she.
Chuckle chuckle.
I've been reading this site for some time now, and I have some questions...
Jul 31st, 2012 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do TTT and especially Pie-Rot hunter, support Christina so slavishly, and repeat her dogma as though it is sacred?
Do they really think that she'll fulfill their adolescent fantasies of having sex with every one of them who votes for her, and mindlessly tries to rationalise her nonsense???
@83 I'd have thought the Argentinians would have been delighted for CFK to attend the Olympics, take some time off from screwing up the country. Interestingly, the BA Herald seems to be adopting an increasingly anti-CFK stance, openly questioning her actions and motives.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0As to the oil exploration, I wouldn't hold your breath if you're expecting big things. As things stand, not much oil has been found and a hell of a lot of time, money and effort has gone into finding it. Trying to persuade an oil company to take on the exploration task is going to be tricky, particularly given Argentina's history of moving the goalposts when it feels like it. If Argentina were mad enough to include any area inside Falkland territorial waters, then the added geo-political risk would guarantee no external oil company would go near it.
PH
Jul 31st, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am still waiting for you to point out the location of the “Faklands” on a map.
@81TTT
Jul 31st, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's called freedom of the seas. NATO vessels can go anywhere they like, unless it is into someone elses territorial waters.
Our ships in the South Atlantic are there to deter your country from a second war and to protect our economic interests. We have the right ro do that and there is nothing you can do about it except bleat and make rather absurd claims about militarisation.
Rumours are that the Directors of FOGL,Desire Petroleum,Borders and Southern and Rockhopper are currently stuffing suitcases with cash and trying to find a flight to Argentina to meet Exequiel Espinosa and bid for the licences :-)))
Jul 31st, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@89 they can excercise their 'right of free passage' through territorial waters.... as can merchant ships..... examples are Singapore Strait, most Indonesian waters, Magellan, etc etc etc..... the USN ( 7th Fleet?) always had a few ships poking around the Black Sea during the cold war.....
Jul 31st, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0and the Rgs were sighted in the Channel many years ago.... http://www.markethousephotographygroup.com/gallery/Tony+Maris/HMS+Fife+glides++past+the+Argentian+Barque+Libertad+in+The+English+Channel.jpg.html
Mind you I don't think the RG Navee has anything that could find its way to the Channel these days......
TiT is a goose....
@60 And how do you react in defeat? You pretend it didn't happen, right?
Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@63 You don't get to “demand” anything, peabrain.
@67 We prefer killing latinos. They squeal louder.
@71 Sorry? We're not doing it in “iraq, libya, syria, egypt, somalia, Kenya, mali, Sudan, Sri lanka and Congo”. We don't have time. You're next!
@81 Because we want to. Sea air is very bracing. And we can. And we will. For as long as we want. And we have loads more money than you do.
@83 It's because they aren't expecting a disaster any second, so they can. The corollary is that anyone who ISN'T there IS expecting a disaster any second.
@91 Don't be ridiculous. Gooses are useful!
@81 Truth Dodging Troll “Imagine if Brazil or Argentina sent ships hither and thither the English Channel/La Manche, or the middle of the North Atlantic... it would be histerical.”
Jul 31st, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazilian Navy ship 'Brasil' moored alongside HMS Belfast, London 2009
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sciencemuseum/4008564434
Not particularly hysterical.
“Wasting billions on sciamachy.” interesting turn of phrase, seems rather apropos to Cristina and all the “British military threats” in the SA she keeps making.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”“Why do TTT and especially Pie-Rot hunter, support Christina so slavishly, and repeat her dogma as though it is sacred?”“”
I suspect that they are paid to do so.
(in $USD of course!) ¬_¬
@36 Hope you don't mind, I borrowed your quote for a FB photo.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck to Argentina, what oil and gas reserves they find in their own soverign water is theres to extract and use. To me this story is an acknollegement of the Argentine governemnts failure to bring criminal and civil procedures aginst the oil companies operating in the FIs (as the compnaies do not hold any assest in Argetnina). I forsee two small problems:
Jul 31st, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Trying to attract the investment from the large oil and gas companies is going to be difficult given the recent attitude of the CFK government to foreign oil and gas companies. YPF (and therefore the government) is struggling to raise the investment needed to advance Vaca Muerta and given that this is a low cost (when compared to off shore exploration) and a proven source of shale gas it would suprise me if the same companies who do not want to be a part of these venture are then going to be attracted to a large cost unproven resource zone.
2) Oil and shale gas flows througth fissures within the ground, given that the FIs oil exploration and drilling programe is 3-4 years ahead of Argentinas (drilling due to start in 2014) there is a chnace that oil exploration within the red zone will draw some resource from the area imemdiatle outside the zone, This was the reason the Government under President Menem choose to enter into a joint deal on hydrocarbon exploration which Nestor Kirchiner throw out in the biggest case of cutting your nose off to spite your face I have even seen.
Good luck to the Argentinian people.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One hopes that some sources of energy become identified and exploited before the country collapses or becomes totally in thrall to Venezuela.
It would obviously be cheaper to find and exploit oil reserves on land; has this been tried? It would probably need a foreign company to exploit the reserves.
It would obviously be cheaper to develop hydroelectric power from the Andes. Have any good sites been identified?
It would obviously be cheaper to buy Venezuelan oil. What could Argentina offer in return? Car parts?
It would obviously need money; are there any known unexploited gold reserves in Argentina that could be exploited? It might need a foreign company to extract it.
There is so much that Argentina could do ... if it wanted to.
Meanwhile, It is in its interests to exploit its EEZ, right up to the boundary with that of the Falkland Islands.
It would need vast amounts of monetary loans.
Has Argentina thought of approaching the IMF?
As long as Argentina is ethical and repays its loan debts on time there should be no problem.
I presume there is every reason why foreigners would want to invest in a Argentinian state offshore oil company.
@97
Jul 31st, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right that Argentina has huge potential, it has a huuge pool of educated people, massive depsoits of resources incluidng as you state gold, silver, copper, oil, shale gas etc etc. These resources are currently being investigated for instance the copper and gold projects in San Juan, la Rioja, Santa Cruz, Chubut and Rio Negro provinces. One of the worlds largest shale gas reserves exists in Vaca Muerta in Chubut.
The non use of this potential is often known as the Argetnina mystery. i.e. how can a country have so much potential be prone to such economic problems.
The current problem is that the government here is very suspesious of companies making profits (it believes this money should be invested back into the country) rather than allowing the payment of dividens to share holders. In an ideal world Argentina would have the capital required to develop its only industrial but unfortuantly it does not and therefore requires foreign investment and due to the issue mentioned above as well as the recent nationilsation of YPF has scared many current and potential investors off.
The current government is very nationalist and as such sees asking for money from the IMF as a surrendering of its independence. Argentina has recieved IMF funding. however the current economic siutation of slowing growth and rising inflation is making it increasingly hard for Argentina to meet its foreign debts payments (there is a virtual ban on citizens purchasing foreign currency here to ensure dollers are avalible for the govement to meet these obligations). Argentina cannot borrow on the open market because of the soverign debt default in 2001.
Hopefully you can therefore see that untill the government takes a more positive long term view on foreign buisness, investment and its economy it is going to struggle to raise the cpaital it requires from wither foreign investors or from other means. Argentina is let down by one thing, its government.
@92
Jul 31st, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets add clock malfunctions to the otherwise flawless organization...
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/korean-fencer-forced-remain-piste-while-waiting-incredibly-191228265--oly.html
minus the flag cock up that is...
and minus the anthem mess up,
and minus the immigration and police 3rd world problems
and minus the thousands of empty seats on TV
... and minus the olympic cauldron being extinguished for the 1st time
... and minus the Mitt the Twit vs Borat Johnson lovefest
and minus the the argentina snub at the OP.
Aside from that, flawless.
:)
Argentine snub? Do you mean CFK not turning up, I took that as a mark of respect as no one in England would want her there.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 099 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jul 31st, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you f**ked up again, @92 didn't mention the Olympic Games!!!!!
@100
Jul 31st, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, not that, the UK snubbed Argentina at the OP.
Can someone tell me what is “Noose Tightening by Argentina” on here please? - Arg has perfect right to advertise licences in its offshore blocks outside the Falklands EEZ area and outside the old “joint” area.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is their big fuss about?
Cannot see any Oil Company taking a licence from them in a disputed area even if Arg was daft enough to offer on up.
What are they burbling on about- any ideas?
Or is it perhaps all a smokescreen for their own people rather than have to admit there is zero they can do about the Falklands developing their zone as is now happening?
This story must be for internal argentinian consumption, because i really can't see how this helps argentina “usurp” control of the falkland islands?.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103 islander1. i know what you mean, maybe something was lost in translation or Clarin is a joke of a news agency.
@102 - Tobias
Jul 31st, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For someone who hates the Olympics you seem to be endlessly droning on about it. No one snubbed Argentina, they had over 30 seconds exposure around the world.
So it's your word against the 1 billion other people who all saw Argentina being welcomed into the stadium with a big cheer from the crowd. You really are making a complete fool of yourself with this continuous 'victimisation' thing you have going, but I suppose you are Argentine, playing the 'victim' is in your blood. Strange that a supposedly 'macho' country does nothing but continuously cry.
But just what does any if this have to do with the numerous threads you have 'mistakenly' posted on about the Olympics?
If you haven't got anything to add to this discussion then don't post. Or is La Campora now paying you to relentlessly post on nothing but the Olympics for the next 2 weeks?
But back to the thread. Argentina can't even get the foreign investment for onshore drilling let alone off shore. I don't think there'll be many takers, especially if they try to muscle in on the Falklands EEZ.
But as other posters have said, what Argentina does in international waters is their own business.
You do realize that the only ignorant people that associate Argentina with “macho” culture is you brits. Absolutely no one else does.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your supposed slight is nothing short but a decapitating boomerang, the fact you call Argentina 'macho' because it is latin shows the profundity of your lack of knowledge. To see real machismo, go to Mexico, Venezuela, central america, etc.
I will keep posting olympic miscues because that is exactly what racist European and Americans will do when even a fraction of those incidents happen in Rio.
Provided the Argentine are keeping to their own side of the international border, then I think one would be pleased for the Argentine and hope that they find oil there. After their problems with REPSOL and the stated intention to sue any organisation that assists with the FI oil fields, then they may have some trouble in finding the expertise to assist them. As for the comment that a find would give the Argentine a geo-political tool against Great Britain, that seems to be clap trap. The United Kingdom cannot speak for the FIs , except in matters of defence and possibly foreign policy. I suspect if the UK used their hold on foreign policy to favour the Argentine, then the FIs would probably decided to run their own foreign policy instead, and remove Great Britain from that responsibility. In my opinion if the Argentine strike it rich, then it would more open up the possibility of co-operation agreements. Especially in rig safety, expertise and possibly even sharing the development of a joint cross border strike. Lets hope they find in, and in large amounts !
Jul 31st, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-Truth Telling Troll-
Jul 31st, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesnt matter how you dress it up you still come across as a very bitter individual
How about taking a break from 'defending the honour' of Argentina for a while at least and try to enjoy life a bit more.
And when are all of you going to take a breat from lies, fibs, canards, and scurril?
Jul 31st, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To summarisze what has happened:
Jul 31st, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Argie minister has written to a bunch of politicos about getting somebody with money to help them drill for oil in their own waters.
But they can't get anybody to 'help' with YPF!
No-one with half a brain trusts the bastards not to thieve everyting they have in Argentina!
AND, this is supposed to put pressure on the Brits?
Only from pissing themselves through laughter.
...yet again you are playing the victim card. It looks like you have some sort of neurosis.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT #102/106
Jul 31st, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you tell me what this snub to Argentina was at the opening ceremony,
I watched the whole show and did not see any discourtesy to your team, in fact, they looked a happy crew.
How would you describe Pirat Hunters actions. We must drop an H Bomb on the Brits. - all Brits are Homos and child molesters, I will fight you all single handed -etc etc.
Does this not strike you as a bit of macho posturing ?
After all, hardly anyone in the UK knows or has met anyone from Argentina, so our opinions are based on the posters here.
I remember the scenes in Buenos Aires during your inept invasion of the Falklands. Your citizens en masse waving your national flag screaming A-R-G-E-N-T-I-N-A. The latest flag burning episode outside the British Embassy. To us in the UK that looks like “macho” posturing.
Of course, maybe the word has a different shade of meaning here.
Well i think this is going to be a heated story when i it its reported on there!.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands Argentine site attacked
(UKPA) – 2 hours ago
Argentina's war cemetery in the Falkland Islands has been vandalised.
The glass that protects a figure of the Virgin Mary has been repeatedly smashed.
The vandalism could have happened anytime in the last week or more, said Sebastian Socodo, an Argentine who takes care of the cemetery that holds the remains of 237 Argentine combatants killed during the 1982 war between Argentina and Britain
@111
Jul 31st, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I least I have a brain to suffer neurosis. You don't have one.
Anyone that states that I have no right to defend myself from your constant attacks and lies is cephalicless. The neurosis in on your side, insulting Argentina in every article about every subject at all hours of the day.
@112
I guess Conqueror is the perfect Brit macho then.
@113
Hardly a vandalic act against Argentina. Do you brits also believe we are some sort of uber-pious Catholic society? People go to the movies on Easter sunday for Paul's sake. Do you people have any education or cultural insight of the world outside your island? My what ignorance!
114. tttroll.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol kinda agree with you about Conqueror, but same can be said about prat-hunter. everyone has some crazies.
True smashing a bit of glass isn't the end of the world, but its all over the news wires & i gess kfc will make something of it (or timmy)?.
YES YES YES go for it...
Jul 31st, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is Argie looking for briton?
Today is briton last day 31 July 2012....Hum.. to serve his claim.
I guess old briton is not interested in responding....no?
What a wimp!
Oh! Isolda miedosa y asquerosa don't dare to answer this one!
She is taking the place of Conor and Zhivago, case closed!
TTT
Jul 31st, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You come here to be offended and to offend people. Simple as that.
@117
Jul 31st, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you don't like being offended, don't offend. Simpler yet.
I come here to mostly broaden my understanding. You can say many things about ´my´country and we´d be in agreement. Your mind however is closed and you show no genuine humility as well as being offensive. I guess Ive fallen into your trap of reacting to you but really I dont care´.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pot -kettle - black,
Jul 31st, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anyone can be offended, when abused by abusers,
@114/5
Jul 31st, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While not of the scale of some of the cemetery vandalism that happens: this still has to be regretted. Forgetting about Argentina or Britain it is still disrespectful to the dead, mainly young conscripts, and their families.
The FIG have done the right thing in condemning the vandalism and asking members of the public to support the investigation.
Does anyone on here have any idea of what the “snub” on his precious Argentina was at the Olympics opening ceremony?
Jul 31st, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Tobias / TTT / (insert numerous other names here), or anyone else who would like to answer on his behalf, please tell us what the big bad nasty snub was.
Good effort in the rowing by your precious Argentina last night by the way. Continuing in the footsteps of many fine mariners before them.
The big bad nasty snub was when TwiT was watching the opening ceremony on RGTV ( filmed be some RG in the cheap seats on his handicam) he couldn't see the RG bunting when it was placed on the hill........
Jul 31st, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0123 Frank
Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that it? Really?
TTT, is that it? Do you wish to confirm/ deny or elaborate? Do you consider it a snub that your precious Argentina didn't get the same air time as others? Most likely this is simply because you were watching another country's feed (because Argentine TV didn't send its own crews) and therefore having to put up with their athletes taking centre screen. Why were you watching the Olympics anyway? I mean why was it even on Argentine TV? Nobody in Argentina is interested according to you. I thought you'd be all too busy eating your macho beef to worry about a sport dominated by rice And pasta eaters.
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Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, you can see we are all waiting for an answer; how did the UK snub Argentina?
I've given my answer four times at least, if you guys cannot read tough.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just saw in the paper UK defeats Brazil in women's football? They need to check for doping!
@125
Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the whole stadium should have prostrated themselves in awe on the entry of the Argentinian athletes, the world's greatest ever olympic team. Definately a snub for everyone not to aknowledge their awesomeness with humble prostration....
127 WestisBest
Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect that's something more like it. LOL!
Actually though, TIT just made me realise something when he mentioned dope testing. Now I know why the dirty, deceitful, cheating ex-captain of the precious Argentine hockey side didn't make the games. Maybe that's also why CFK didn't go to London.
Chuckle chuckle.
No one is more precious than the brits. Sorry fact.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it's fact. Coming from you it must be. One of Argentina's brilliant young.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@128 TwiT has a list of gripes a mile long.... the flag issue was his first... he has been banging on about it all over Mercopress.... eg
Aug 01st, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0'2 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
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Between the anthem and flag amateur cock-ups, the immigration and police strikes, the olympic cauldron fk-up, and now all the empty seats, plus the snub of Argentina's flag... '
@131
Aug 01st, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would this be the flag missing from the Plaza de Mayo?
Now we know where it went! LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Like sent from heaven!!
Aug 01st, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0For your viewing pleasure, Europe teeming with MACHISMO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YVXc2o5shto
And this is Brussels (they are even more reserved than the Brits)... imagine in Paris, Berlin, Rome, Madrid, London... hahahahahahahahaha. That is 10 times worse than in Argentina... And please don't tell me it doesn't happen in your countries, or will you force me to pull some older video.
Shocking European machismo!!!
@129 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Aug 01st, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 31st, 2012 - 10:57 pm
Nobody is less relevant than a Malvinista. Fact.
This is getting a bit out of hand isn't it ? Talk of atomic bombs, war drums beating. Lets get it straight. Many, if not most, of the countries of the world have their borders defined by previous wars and the removal or suppression of the indigenous population. That includes the Argentine who dispossessed the AmerIndians , who owned that country . The Argentine cannot, therefore, complain that they lost a bit of what they thought was theirs, to the same process that they used to steal the Argentine from the AmerIndians. Unfortunately the Argentine, as I see them, use emotional politics. Thats fine, but emotion often obscures fact. The Argentine have never owned the Falklands, and they are never going to own the Falklands. Its a sheer waste of public energy for their politicians to manipulate the Argentine people in this way and perhaps the people of the Argentine should really be questioning the reason why their Government is spending so much time on a lost cause ?
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You speak an awful lot of drival on here 'Troll”. Answer this question please. Did the present population of the Argentine steal that country from its rightful owners. i.e. the people who lived there before European settlers came in ? Answer that question truthfully (emember you claim to tell the truth)
Aug 01st, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hold on....an anagram of Argieland's state owned energy company is “an arse”....presumably cos that's where they keep their “brians”!
Aug 01st, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@137
Aug 01st, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about you answer this one: Aren't areas of the World where there were never any humans supposed to remain free of humans?? (i.e. Antarctica)
Isn't that the British position to oppose Argentine colonization of Antarctica?
@139
Aug 01st, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it isn't. It's because there are international treaties governing who can do what in Antarctica. That and the fact that Antarctica no more belongs to Argentina than the Gobi desert does.
Well, aside the fact Antarctica belongs to Argentina more than to Britain, yes, international treaties.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which didn't exist in the 19th century which means there was no theft of lands by Argentina. All the land taken from indians, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay and the part of Iguazu from Brasil was all legit. It was called empire building at the time.
Oh - TTT How can you say such a thing. You have just blown all your arguments out of the water. So we can now say that ”All the land taken from Argentina in 1833 (except that it wasn't in our view) was all legit - it was called Empire Building at the time ...............”
Aug 01st, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@142
Aug 01st, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and? Where have I said otherwise? I would suggest however that if Argentina's Falkland's claim (which I do not agree with), require that Argentines that are European leave the country to retroactively not be hypocrites, then certainly if Britain wishes to have any respect in the international community it would vacate all humans living in the Falklands so that hypocrisy over their Antarctica view is not realized.
But then, when did the UK care about not looking like hypocrites? People that don't care about honor don't care about any “h” word.
@141
Aug 01st, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah probably. The thing is things have moved on a bit since the 19th century. And just because you're away down there in the South Atlantic doesn't mean you get to be some sort of imperialist rogue state throwback. Sorry.
And who the heck are you to tell anyone anything?
Aug 01st, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0145 - Tobias
Aug 01st, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're getting very touchy about subjects. But then the same statement could be redirected at you.
Maybe the pressure of trying to defend the indefensible is getting to you. You should take a break. Kick back, put your feet up and forget about Mercopress, the economy and politics for a while.
Now where can you go that doesn't require you to purchase US$? I hear Chile is quite nice.
I'm well relaxed, thank you for your concern over my physiological parameters.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just having fun lifting the masquerade off the posters here who claim to be “objective” or that they “know” Argentina.
@145
Aug 01st, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep it to yourself, but I'm your new case handler from MI6. Will a cheque be OK?
TTT
Aug 01st, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'go back to Europe you hypocrites' is aimed at those Argentines who say the British should go back to the UK. This is a separate hypocrisy from the hypocrisy of Argentines continuing to whine over stolen territory even after Argentina had conquered territory. The hypocrisy lies in the whining, not the taking of territory, which was legal back then.
And the UK made its first formal claim in Antarctica in the 1820s, Argentina didn't make any formal claim there until the 1940s
if they all went back to the european countries that they originated from.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only people freely living in the south atlantic would be the britsh, and the native inhabitents,
is this not true,
and all you argie bargies would not even exist .
Not exactly. Since all lands that were not colonized by humans need to be vacated, then sorry but the Falklands and South Georgia must be colupathed.
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just like Antarctica, the Falklands had no native people well into modern times.
“Clarin speculates that if oil is found in the waters located beyond the control of the UK, Argentina will have a real geopolitical tool used in a hypothetical negotiation with Great Britain.”
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0How does that work exactly? The Argentines will drill oil in Argentine waters and the Falklanders will do the same in Falklands waters.
What does that have to do with negotiations that will never happen?
#151
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Colupathed ? Where did you make up this word from?
I had never heard of this one so I looked it up in the Oxford Dictionary.
It doesn't appear there either.
I assume that my trip to the loo left me distinctly colupathed.
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, perhaps by mistake 'Troll' has hit the nail on the head. There is no particular interest in the Falklands, other than they are the key to making claims upon Sth Georgia, and the South Sandwich islands. By extension the Argentine could then claim a large chunk of Antartica . In fact this never was about the Falklands but all about the extension of power and possible assets of Aantartic. Had it have been really about the Falklands, then an indigenous Argentine population would have sprung up way before these islands were discovered by the British. So lets be honest, except for the recent discovery of oil, the Argentine never really gave a toss for the Falklands in the past. What they are really after is military and commercial power in the South Atlantic . I am afraid that is not going to happen. Democracy stands in the way of that ambition, democacy being the right of the real indigenous populations of the Falklands having the right to self determination. The islanders simply do not wish to be a part of the Argentine. As bitter a pill as that maybe if you are Argentinian, you have to accept the wish of the people who live there
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155, maybe a good call.
Aug 03rd, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1959 Antarctic Treaty system is probably the only international treaty Argentina has signed that they haven't disregarded yet. They're probably itching to show the world what naughty little scamps they are. Cheeky little monkeys ^_^
Give it 25 years and they'll not only be claiming all of antarctica, all of chile and the entire south atlantic but ascension island, st helena and equatorial guinea (hey, it was a spanish colonial possession once which obviously means spain recognised argtard soveriegnty of it after argtard independance in 1816, right?).
They wont actually get anywhere with this ludicrous nonsense but it'll just mean more administrative timewasting at the UN for future generations as the populations in the lands they lay claim to successively tell them to GTFO
@151
Aug 03rd, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0TiT trying to be clever by making up words!!!! What a sad little man!
CORRECTION: Argentina plans to explore for oil next to Islas Malvinas Argentina, i mean we all know fakland island holdings is a firm with british slaves illegally occupying Malvinas Argentina. I urge UK to give their citizens the right to return to their mother land because they all claim to be british and UK granted them their rights and protection in UK not in Argentina, we support their right to go home ASAP.
Aug 03rd, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has a vast coastline, it would take many years to fully explore its ocean for oil, there is no reason to do this, other than to start a war!
Aug 03rd, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#158
Aug 03rd, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am still waiting for a reply as to the whereabouts of the “faklands” and Malvinas Argentinas. You can do what you want in your own waters as can the Falkland Islanders. No doubt Argentinian drilling and seismic technology is so far advanced that you will be able to do this on your own.
Just as you can build H-bombs, delivery systems and nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines.!o put it mildly, you are a sad, deluded little person. If the rest of the Argentinian population are the same as you - heaven forbid - then you are all up the creek without a paddle.
ps. What happened in your last post - no ranting or expletives which we have come to love and enjoy
Priate Hunter's comments simply illustrate how little the Argentinian people understand, or to put it more truthfully, they have been allowed to understand. How are the Falkland islanders slaves ? If they wished to come back to the United Kingdom they could do. They are not slaves, they are free people and able to make thier own choices in the world. Their choice is not to be the Argentine. The goverment of the the United Kingdom have no powers to control the Falklands, or how they wish to live.
Aug 03rd, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am afraid that if, by some extreme chance, the British were to try to force the Falkland Islanders to come to Britain, then we would have a major conflict with the United Nations who would regards such an act as illegal
CORRECTION: Argentina plans to explore for oil next to “Islas Malvinas Argentina,” i mean we all know fakland island holdings is a firm with british slaves illegally occupying Malvinas Argentina. I urge UK to give their citizens the right to return to their mother land because they all claim to be british and UK granted them their rights and protection in UK not in Argentina, we support their right to go home ASAP.
Aug 04th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0#159 illegal aliens can't dictate where in Malvinas Argentina we can drill.
#160 fakland island holdings is a british firm they can drill anywhere they wish in UK not issues there. Argentina is another out of the question. We remember BP, don't. You??
#161 lol you are a slave because your own country will not give you a passport so now you made up your own papers but still have a british governor. To me that is slavery someone who is never elected but yet holds position of power. You are a colony go home already and stop making up BS.
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Aug 04th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next to, but not in Falklands. If Falklands are Argentine, why do they not occupy them ?
#162
Aug 04th, 2012 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Record stuck in the groove again. I know of no “Faklands islands holding co.”
Can you supply me with the company registration details ?
I know of the Falklands Island Holding co who carry out their legitimate business there.
The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833,passed into law in the UK, made it illegal to have slaves in the UK or any territory under its control. The Falkland Islands would have come under this Act. Delegation of powers to the FIG means that any slaves in the Falklands are illegal and your government should inform the UN of this practice. As to the mythical “islas malvinas argentinas” I could not express an opinion as they do not exist.
@162
Aug 04th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're not slaves! As British citizens, the islanders have the right to live in the UK. But they choose to live in their birthplace, where they have been for nine generations, because it's their home. They are a free people. It's Argentina that would turn them into slaves.
If Argentina ever took over the islands, the Argentine government would have to impose authoritarian rule in order to maintain sovereignty and prevent the islanders from declaring independence. This is what has happened throughout history whenever countries (even ones that seem democratic) have taken over territories against the wishes of the people living there.
@162 - Pirat-Hunter
Aug 04th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once again you show your complete stupidity. Where is your proof?
You haven't got any proof, not of these absurd claims you have just made, or indeed of Argentina's spurious claims over the Falklands. Hence why you spout rubbish. All you do is make yourself look stupid, ignorant and rascist.
Yes PH you are a racist.
But you know what? The UK or the Falkland Islands Government aren't worried about this latest 'policy' from Argentina any more than they are worried about the banning of UK ships.
Why? Because these statements are for public consumption only, for the terminally stupid and gullible people who live in Argentina. The more intelliegent Argentines can see through CFK and her gangsters, and know the truth.
Argentina hasn't got the money to explore for oil and gas on the mainland (hence why they're currently on their knees begging the Chinese to invest after the US turned you down), and they certainly haven't got the money to explore for oil and gas in the sea (an infinitely more expensive prospect).
They can try and 'sell' licenses, but I doubt they will have any takers, for these reasons.
1. International companies and investors are wary of the Argentine government's proclivity of stealing companies under the thin veil of nationalisation.
2. The Argentine government insists on a 'cap' on the price of each barrel of oil, making the extraction of it unprofitable for the company involved.
3. The same licenses can be bought from the Falkland Islands Government without the worry of the Falklands capping prices or stealing the company.
As for banning British flagged ships, I doubt anyone will notice, or care. All of this is spouted for the domestic 'consumption' of gullible people and stupid people like you Pirat-hunter.
162- Prat Head- Please list the effective Powers that ther Governor has over internal laws,taxes, and government in the Islands?
Aug 04th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will find that there are none - other than the power of requesting UK to take over, IF there is clear proof that the local Govt is acting corruptly, crookedly and or illegally etc!
And the Governor General of Australia can do the same there if the same situation arose! Are you going to tell me Australia is a Colony!
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Seems like a good initiative by Cristina's governmnet. Talks would be better of course, but the ball is in Cameron's court for that
Aug 08th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169 Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist
Aug 08th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So are you a Glaswegian or do you now wish to deny it?
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