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Falklands to build a new deep-water port to cater for the oil and gas industry
The Falkland Islands will have a new deep-water port facility capable of meeting the demands of all incumbent industries it was announced following this week's meeting of Executive Council (ExCo). Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI would wait for Scotia before ordering the Portland.....
Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like things are getting started...
Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Told you it would come Think. They won't need South America with a deep water port !
Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, another case of the RGs shooting themselves in the foot, I'm sure these port facilities will include services for the fishing fleets as well, so Argentine policy towards the Islands has produced more self reliance, and once such facilities exist in the Falkland Islands, then South America will never be able to compete for business, the Islanders won't need to look to South America to live their lives, and run their businesses.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0All sounds good.
This ends any hope Argentines had that there may be a reinstatement of the joint venture agreement under a new government in Argentina.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you get in a huff and stomp off with the ball then why be surprised that those left playing buy themselves another one?
It'll be interesting to see what other south American business this deepwater port gains simply due to being a more friendly economic environment to do business.
Love it!
Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thought that would be the best place.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not only will this be great for the oil and fishing industries but will make the Falklands a great stopping place as it was in the late 1800s, but the islands were too greedy with ship repairs and lost trade after the panama canal was built.
Maybe more shipping services such as maintenamce might develop in the long term, (as happened in the 1800s) somewhere handy for Argentine warships to be repaired perhaps?
However unlike the 1800s with overpriced ship repair, these days the FIs know how to do business very well and this port facility will have economic benefits long after the oil has gone.
Top marks Argentina for denying the Falkland Islands port facilities. When they have their own they won't need yours even if you come begging the Islands to use them in the future.
Choke on that.
TWIMC
Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You squatters are forgetting how to be Kelpers.....!
Too much newcomer Pom blood i suppose...
The FIPASS permanent extension proposal is, by far, the most logical, realistic and strategically and economically correct one.....
Anyhow... no decision for Scotia....
Cheers
El Think
calm down trolls, its a good news story:) just rejoice at that
Oct 26th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0cry as much as ou want its happening jajajajajaja
The Governor said 2 weeks ago that the future for the Falklands lay in Tourism (not oil).
Oct 26th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will tourists (and locals) still want to walk around Gypsy Cove to see the penguins if a huge port facility is built there? Will the penguins nest there? Or are there plenty other places they can nest?
The FIPASS permanent extension proposal is, by far, the most logical, realistic and strategically and economically correct one.....
Oct 26th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Not really, FIPASS is already past it's sell by date, it may last quite a few more years but it's lifetime is finite. It also has the isse that only ships of a certain size and draw can make it in through the narrows and berth at FIPASS so this will solve the issue when tenders can't be used for tourists during bad weather.
You may have a point about about slowly losing what it is to be a kelper and there is the chance that economics may change who we are in time but if it is a mistake it is ours to make. Maybe if we had a friendly neighbour we could come up with a mutually benificial system that would preserve our way of life but that can't happen as Argentina would destroy our way of life much faster if it had the chance.
(11) Benson
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FIPASS past it's sell by date?
Who told you that, mate?
A Harbours Salesman?
Some Hempel paint and some brushes and She'll look as pretty as new!
You may have a point about the Cruise Ships at Port Williams but..... we are planning of demolishing that industry too.....
The only advantage I can see is that the gooks will be further away so your young lasses will be able to walk undisturbed along Ross Road.........
The acorn grows,
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands may well be the 2nd largest hub of industrial activity in the years to come.
Business and tourist will flood in.
Just wait and see..
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@wireless
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly I can not wait to see that FI people adopt a mature attitude and decide to cut ties with the Americas. Continent and people who, accordingly to most of the comments in this forum, are despised and underestimated.
I would like to see that FI people and the UK Governoment stop begging favors to Argentina as if it were rights and stop using of airspace and waters of Argentina sovereignty.
Thus, with a military garrison afforded by British taxpayers get isolated from America and have the African continent or North America as the nearest point.
It would be great and a proof of pride and self determination
And the Argies can only watch in awe,
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the union jack flies over the Atlantic, free as a bird.
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FIPASS is sinking...that's the truth of the matter. It can't last forever and even though there are plans in place to patch it up, it can't support the oil and gas industry.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, no one living in Stanley next to the harbour is going to want a huge busy port right in front of their house. The noise and lights would drive people nuts. Port William is, in my humble opinion, the best place to build the new port. Also, ships won't have to navigate the narrows anymore. Good for tourism, good for the oil industry and good for us.
We need to act now to build the port in time for the Sea Lion development regardless of other drilling projects that are underway.
Just curious but does Thin actually reside on the islands because he/she is pretty well informed as to particular details such as mentioning a coat of paint. Obviously has or is living here it does beg the question as to why Think is so well informed. Still it happend in 82 so no reason to say it is not happening again now spys seem to put there noses in almost every hole they find.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Think
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, the 17 years I've spent going down there for work.
(16) Foxtrot Indigo
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be one of those “New, Shiny Harbor Salesmen”
FIPASS sinking ???
Abandon ship..... abandon ship !!!
Directors & Bosses first :-)))
As i said in my post No. (8)........An extension of FIPASS is the most logical, realistic and strategically and economically correct choice for the time being....
Any true Kelper knows it and would (as only Kelpers know how) WAIT until some of all those “Golden Delicious Pom Promises” materialize, BEFORE investing a lot of dole in a “Pharaohnic” project at Port Williams...
(17) Kelperabout
Relax boy…. I live in Chubut....., just across the pond….
Yet more evidence that the Falkland Islands are a growing and wealthy nation. And it would appear that Port William offers the opportunities for massive expansion. Room for the very largest cargo vessels and cruise liners to berth alongside. Not to mention British military transports.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn't be forgotten that, at the beginning of WW2, HMS Cumberland undertook a self-refit in the Falkland Islands before steaming at full speed for 36 hours to meet with HMS Achilles and Ajax off the River Plate. And it was to the Falkland Islands, that HMS Exeter steamed for emergency repairs following the Battle of the River Plate. Could the Falkland Islands become a centre, not only ship maintenance and repair, but for shipbuilding? Probably some years away, but modern modular construction could mean faciities all around the Islands with the modules being assembled at one point. Might it be worth considering the Falklands as an “alternate” to HMNB Clyde! Perhaps FIG should be asking the Navy if they'd like to consider other facilities beside Mare Harbour?
The reason the Argentines hate the deepwater port idea is the same reason they refuse to dredge the Martin Garcia canal and the same reason they are up in arms about the new deep water port proposed by Uruguay on their Atlantic coast. I predict that both the FI & Uruaguay will get business that previously went to Buenos Aires.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Multiple Choice Question.
Do you know who reaffirmed the sovereignty of the state in Chubut Argentina?
1) The Mapuche Nation
2) The King of Araucania
3) J.A. Roca
4) J. D. Peron
5) C.F.K.
6) Who cares
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(22) pgerman
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Non of them
It was the Argie-Welshies....
And my neighbour Jones's great great great father....
More questions?
Uruguay should help in building this deep water port. Or maybe they should say that they can harbour thier ships at our port for a discounted price, till this port is built. Do something to increase your relations with the Falkland islands. Let them advertise in uruguay. Let the chile-Falkland link land at MVD. Make a sea link with the falklands. So many things you can do, yet what you do do is kiss CFKs ass.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 025 Uruguayan_And_Proud
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have any deep water ports other than the one up the MG Canal?
No, but uruguay and China are thinking of building one. I dont mean building the water part of the port or whatever, but building other things, while they focus on one thing, we will help with other things. It would cut costs for them and benefit us as it increses relations.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unrelated but funny breaking news. Silvio Berlusconi has been sentenced to 4 years in prison for tax evasion !!!
Oct 26th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bunga Bunga!
Oct 26th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A deep water port makes perfect sense, it will service their emerging oil and gas industry and make them self sufficient well in to the next century, by which time they will probably be an independent nation with close links to the UK and some, not all South American countries.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Oct 26th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong...You are wrong
The welsh people in Chubut had already asked the Britich Crown to send a gorbernor and J. A. Roca (during his second presidency) met them in their small towm. He travelled from Buenos Aires to Chubut by ship (an old ship by the name of Belgrano like the one attaked by the Conqueror) Both finally reached an agreement:
J.A. Roca sent a gorvernor that could speak English and awarded them with some little advantages.
The welsh pioneers in Chubut accepted the Argentine sovereignty.
The issue was solved with any casualty.
Can you see that? You even don't know the history of your own country, province and town !!!
For god's sake !!!
Go back to school
Rergards from Vancouver
Think @8...“The FIPASS permanent extension proposal is, by far, the most logical, realistic and strategically and economically correct one.....” I never thought I'd agree with you on anything, and even your extended commentary @ 19 in reply to Foxtrotter. Life is full of surprises!
Oct 26th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I note however the two Foxtrotting and Bensoite nautical experts reside in our midst. Perhaps they should inject the technical appreciation MLAs should have had to hand before making their obfuscating decision?
(31) pgerman
Oct 26th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are talking rubbish.......
The Welsh in Chubut hated the English Anglican King, for gods sake!
They were in Patagonia escaping that English Anglican King!
They were Welsh speaking Nonconformists, for gods sake!
They would have rather died than bow to that English Anglican King!
They were asked and they chose to join the territory of Chubut to Argentina, not to Chile.
Inform yourself, you Turnip!
Can you see that ignoranca and arrogance again...no way man you are an ignorant...
Oct 26th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0J.A. Roca visited the welsh pioneers as part of his trip as President of Argentina going to the south to met the Chilean One Federico Errazuriz Drago, Some months ago a group of welsh pioneer had sent the British Crown a request to send a British governor.
The conflict that could end up in a war, was peacefully resolved through the intervention of the J. A. Roca and Federico Errazuriz Drago, who met during May of 1899, in Punta Arenas to discuss a peaceful solution.
In May of 1902, was signed the “Convenios de Mayo” with Chile which required to submit the border dispute to the arbitration decision of Edward VII of Great Britain.
Do not ofend if you want to be treated with respec. How old are you?
15..16 years old !!! for Gods sake !!..what can be expeted from a generation like you guys !!!
33 Think (#)
Oct 26th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 26th, 2012 - 03:49 pm
Think,your advanced senility is showing!!!!!!!
“The Welsh in Chubut hated the English Anglican King”
There was no “English Anglican King” at the time of the Welsh colonizing of the Chubut river valley, Victoria was Queen!!!!!!
Important event this, in many ways.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not least because of the medium term development of the tourism, oil/gas and port industries in the Islands, changing the economic realities in that part of the world, in many companies cost equations.
But also in the long term development of the Islands as the gateway to the Antarctic, which will be the big boom.
Not forgetting the strategic military implications.
Definitely not a good day for Argentinian colonial aspirations in the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.
So all good, and all things considered, quite a pivotal moment in the history of the Islands development really.
@33 Stink
The English bit, is believable.
However Nonconformists fleeing from an Anglican King, to join a CATHOLIC country!!!!!!!
Look up the word Protestant.
Muppet
Wonderful news and all these Argie commentators can do is spit and swear and cry.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14pgerman
Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I would like to see that FI people and the UK Governoment stop begging favors to Argentina as if it were rights and stop using of airspace and waters of Argentina sovereignty.”
Pgerman, what are you talking about?
Falklands had agreements with Argentina regarding resources, including fishing agreements, with thoughts towards managed fishing, preserving the fish stocks, and the marine ecology.
Argentina ended that, and in fact, CFK within the last two months has deliberately attempted to encourage more fishing in the region, hoping as you noted, to put an economic 'squeeze' on the Fslklsnds.
How responsible is that, to damage the ecology to make fishing the region economically unsustainable by those abiding by good fishing practices?
Yes, Falklands cannot expect to use Argentine facilities if they do not wish it. That is their prerogative. However, there was some cooperation previously, and even an agreement to develop oil resources together.
Argentina ended that.
Now that funding is available from elsewhere, the Argentines are looking on jealously, claiming a share of those resources, at the same time stating that they cannot be developed successfully without Argentina's supply bases and invaluable assistance.
In the meantime, AR is hoping that their attempts to isolate FI, will make them unsustainable.
Looks like the pure determination and fortitude of the Falkland Islanders has led to constructing their own facilities and deep-water port, independent of Argentina.
Argentina loses, and Brazil and Chile will reap the benefits, instead.
Falklands will be a great springboard in the future, for International Antarctic expeditions that would otherwise have to deal with an unreliable and unfriendly Argentina.
Sorry, pgerman, Argentina just looks jealous and mean - now they will miss out too.
(34) pgerman
Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You post (34) confirms and amplifies my first impression of you being a Total Turnip.
You are a perfect example of what the Squatting Kelpers call a Brainwashed Argentinean!
My bad for ever having responded to you.....
Have a nice life....
(35) Simon68
My bad again....
Of course it was Queen Victoria.
Best man the Brits had at the time.
She surely deserved to be a King, not just a Queen......
(36) Pugol-H
Believe it or not....., they did flee an Anglican Queen, to join a CATHOLIC country! They were Welsh, what do you expect ;-)
(If any of my friends at the Cwm Hyfryd is reading this; I'm joking........almost)
@Thisk hei hei hei.. I can accept I'm a Total Turnip but I cannot accept I have my brian wahsed...I've never been a CFK fan. I hate her and La Campora that are a buch of fanatic idiots.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your are bad because you are an ignorant that watch on TV and believe all what the official media says....
Go back to school, learn and study history before taking part of a forun without any single historical knowledge. Otherwise you would end being ashame of yourself.
Go, Go now to the school !!
Regards from Vancouver
Strange isn't it, the original Welsh Immigrants left Wales to colonise a land where Welsh law and the Welsh language would live on. Where they could live their dream of a Welsh life. All they really did was exchange English law for Argentine law, Welsh for Spanish and a life far removed from the one they were seeking.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(32) falklandlad
Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My dear Kelper.
We are both Patagonians.
Forged by the same western wind.
We recognize humbug when served to us.
I find it highly amusing that people (like Think) think that they know what is best for our country when they don't even live here nor are they Falkland Islanders......
Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't pretend to know everything about port development and I'm not 'selling' anything. I am just stating my opinion. I live in the FI and I live right on the harbour front and I certainly don't want ships sitting outside my house chugging away all hours of the night, thank you very much!
Careful FI, they might promise not to build it if you give them soveriegnty.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(43) Foxtrot Indigo
Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you moved to Malvinas, live on the waterfront and have those rusty jiggers and long-liners with their annoying lights just in front of your shed…….. huhhhh?
What’s there to complain, matey….
It’s them ships that pay your wages.
Want peace and quiet?
Move to Goose Green :-)
Alternatively he could be an indiginous Falklander excercising his right to free speech. There are no Malvinas.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this good news from the Falkland Islands..... It's almost too much to bear for those Argentine trolls....
Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm expecting “Think” to dissappear any moment in a cloud of indignant exclaimation marks..............
Keep going you Falkland Islanders!!! Show them all how it's done!!
Think_FIPASS was NEVER meant ot be the permanent solution! That for some time has been the deep water Port in Port William - (and some distance from Gipsy Cove so no affect on Penguins or tourism.)
Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was recognized that a “temporary quick solution” is needed to handle the increased traffic mid2014 to 2017 - by which time the deepwater port could be ready. FIPASS - although deteriorating rapidly and not many years left- has worked fine suppoerting one rig and other normal shipping - but it cannot do for 3 - or more!
As the extension work would be costly - and make a mess of the east half of Stanley waterfront etc - the decision now is to “fastrac” the main deepwater port - and no doubt have enough of it operating by second half 2014 ready for RKH and Premiere.
Is that complicated for you?
Oh and the well drill is still on to be completed - just a delay whilst a safety feature is put right. That shows that here we rate safety and well blow out preventers - unlike elsewhere!
Heehee... Its all happening, no sign of argentinas court threats making any difference whatsoever to those companies involved with The Falklands future.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0better luck next time argies, boo fkin hoo......
'Vigo Experts warn of risk of investing in Argentina'
Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.atlantico.net/noticia/215914/expertos/advierten/vigo/riesgo/invertir/argentina/
'On another note, Councilman Vuoto referred to the referendum launched by the municipality for the next 28 and November 29. The mayor “welcomed” the decision of Mayor Federico Sciurano removing the question concerning the nationality of those born in the Falkland Islands, which had led to much controversy and garnered the rejection of most of the political opponent. “It's like asking if someone born in Ushuaia is fueguino” Vuoto substantiated, while municipal executive called an “opening” to ”questions are developed by consensus and to avoid in the future such situations . '
www.eldiariodelfindelmundo.com/noticias/leer/45622/militantes-de-la-campora-participaran-del-acto-aniversario-por-la-muerte-de-nestor-kirchner.html
@45
Oct 27th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Think.
We are going to need to somewhere to dock one of our brand new Queen Elizabeth Supercarriers aren't we. Just couple more years to wait, the port should be ready by then. I expect Turkey neck will be rocking back and forward in her padded cell by then, accusing us of militarising the South Atlantic.
It seems the Brazilians, the Chinese and the Indians have shown interest in building a deep water port on Uruguay's Atlantic coast, in the Department of Rocha. It'll be expensive, especially as new motorways and perhaps railways will have to be built. But it'll be worth it to avoid having to deal with the Argentines.
Oct 27th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Oct 27th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may have a point about the Cruise Ships at Port Williams but..... we are planning of demolishing that industry too.....
@ 15 briton
Oct 27th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you sound drunk like always...
@54
Oct 28th, 2012 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0ignoring you...
Goooooooooooood Morning Malvinas........
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK.....; let’s make a quick “Squatter” poll, shall we?...:
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A) In favor of the immediate construction of Port Williams…:
(6) Isolde (not Belonger, Pom, Female; three good reasons she hasn't a vote;-)
(11) Benson (may be a Kelper but he doesn’t sound like one.Mixed blood, maybe)
(16) Foxtrot Indi(a) (definitively, in my humble opinion, a Pom newcomer)
(48) Islander1 (True Kelper blood here....)
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B) In favor of the ”Hold your horses, Pom” approach…:
(8) Think (Not a Squatter but… what the heck, it’s my poll ;-)
(32) falklandlad (sounds 100% Kelper to me)
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C) Too young to vote…:
(17) kelperabout (brainwashed anyway)
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Sooooo, following MercoPress’s and Penguin News own ”scientific” methods, I declare the winner to be….:
Option ”B”, those in favor of the true Kelper way of life ;-)
... to continue...
Oct 28th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In July 2012 Executive Council agreed the need for the interim development of FIPASS and approved (a) the detailed design and costing for remedial and developmental work to FIPASS as identified in this paper, and (b) implementation of the remainder of the FIPASS Action Plan 2012-18.
The July 2012 policy paper referred to an earlier paper in April 2012, when Executive Council reviewed feedback from the Industry and Public Consultation exercise relating to the preferred site for the new port location with the policy makers noting:
+ the results of the feedback process that Navy Point was the preferred location for the majority of both industry and general public responders (an unqualified statement);
+ but while highlighting “THE PHASED INTERIM DEVELOPMENT OF FIPASS WAS STRONGLY FAVOURED”
+ and, that to further the Port William option detailed environmental surveys and detailed geo-technical surveys of the Port William/Navy Point site and surrounding areas along with technical surveys of swell and meteorological monitoring.
The paper concluded a new port project will take up to 5 years to complete with a new port not being operational until 2018. Where does that leave oil operators promoting a 3-rig drilling campaign commencing in 2014?
And the cheaper, time deliverable, most economically and pragmatically efficient short term option is……?
......a permanent 250-metre extension to the existing FIPASS facilities?
Oct 28th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
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Falklandlad, you wil probably, from now on be called : “Crazy Malvinista Think's Sock-Puppet” , as poor Cmdr McDod was)
Speaking about Cmdr. DoveoverDover......... his biting comments in defence of Her Majesty's (and all her subjects) rights to Her Islands attracted my attention to the .....
SOUTH ATLANTIC TERRITORIES
Falkland Islands Constitution Order 2008
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/assembly/documents/The%20Falkland%20Islands%20Constitution%20Order%202008.pdf
Have you guys ever read this?.....:
“11. There is reserved to Her Majesty full power to make laws for the peace, order and good government of the Falkland Islands including, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, laws amending this Order or the Schedule.” (Pag. 3)
Or this?....:
”5. The Governor shall not, without having previously obtained instructions through a Secretary of State, assent to any Bill within any of the following classes, unless such Bill contains a clause suspending its operation until the signification of Her Majesty’s pleasure on the Bill, that is to say—
(f) any Bill of an extraordinary nature and importance whereby Her Majesty’s prerogative, or the rights of property of Her subjects not residing in the Falkland Islands, or the trade, transport or communications of any territory under Her Majesty’s sovereignty may be prejudiced” (pag. 46)
Nation?, Country?, Selfgoverning?...... My left foot................
CHAPTER I
Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PROTECTION OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF THE INDIVIDUAL
Fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual
1. Whereas—
(a) all peoples have the right to self-determination and by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development and may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit and international law.
Nation! Country! Self Governing! ....... My right foot...........
@33 What a faggot!
Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Words from a pederast paedophile. Did I mention desperate faggot?
@54 But you, as always, sound like a cock recipient. How you doing, sussie?Still taking 50-100 an hour? No holes barred? US$2 per hole?
@56 Better “poll” for Falklanders. ”Would you like argieland and its occupants to be destroyed to 1,000 foot below ground level?
@58 Here's a thought. If it's argie, kill it. Any Falklanders got a problem with that?
59 reality check
Oct 28th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British People have the right to self-determination and by virtue of that right they freely determine .......................................... in BRITAIN.
Not in some squatted Islands on the other side of the world....
No sorry, you quoted the Falkland Islands constitution, did you not?
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I simply read it a little further and did the same. I chose to enter something into the discussion, using your reference.
If they are squatters, what are you doing reading their constitution and entering it into the discussion?
@60 Conqueror
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shut up!
@63 Sussie
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is your Papi?
Do you miss him, is that why you mention arses all the time ?
Think
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say squatter, I say settler.
A settler is a person who has migrated to an area and established permanent residence there, often to colonize the area. Settlers are generally people who take up residence on land. (What would we do without Wiki?)
Now, does that remind you of somebody, perhaps your gt.gt.gt,gt Grandpa?
@ troy tearful tit boy aka Isolde
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is briton with the big name...I mean big arse!
learn to read,,,,,,,,,
lol
I love those words, “Permanent residence.” So very, very,very true!
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Goodnight to all those couragous Falkland Islanders, living in permenant residence on their land.
(62) reality check
Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You quote the first paragraph from the ”Falkland/Malvinas Constitution that is directly “cut and pasted” from the United Nations International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights........
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cescr.htm
The individuals currently inhabiting the Falklands/Malvinas are British Citizens...... They are British people.
Therfore they may freely enjoy their right of Self-Determination..... in Britain.
Not in some squatted Islands on the other side of the world........
@66sussie
Oct 28th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@ troy tearful tit boy aka Isolde
This is briton with the big name...I mean big arse!”
Sussie, though you may change your names as often as you change your underwear, you are unmistakable...
Only Sussie is this infatuated with arses, pederast !!
LOL
How is your “Papi”?
“Drip drip drip...”
Think 56- actually I favour a temporary extended use of FIPASS for the 2014-2017 period (a couple more floating barge-wharfs from china)- by which time the PW Deep Water Port will come on line.
Oct 29th, 2012 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0FIPASS is not - nor ever can be - a Deep Water Port! It does not have the depth - nor do Stanley Inner Narrows have the width to allow larger ships in safely.
70) Islander1
Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0And actually I (should) favor the immediate construction of a new, shiny and expensive Deep Water Port at Navy Point……………..
It's just that....., as I said to falklandlad at (42), my Patagonian stolidity reacts viscerally against humbug......
Strategically, (being true to my own opinions about the future of your economy and society) I should be glad that you waste a lot of your dole in that pharaohnic project at Port Williams…..
Anyhow....; after your clarification (and still following Penguin News and MercoPress’s scientific method) I can now declare that option B) = ”Those in favor of the true Kelper way of life” is winning a landslide victory……
Let’s see if some more Kelpers (and other Squatters) care and dare express their true opinions in here…….
Think
Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I quoted directly from your link, matters not what it was, what matters is that it is same evidence that you used.
No, they are not squatters, the population of the Islanders are Falklanders. They were, note the operative word, were, British settlers. MOST not ALL of them. They are now Falklanders.
Equally, the population of your country are Argentinian. They were, Spanish, Italian, German and yes even British settlers. They were, note the operative word were, were those nationalities settlers. They are now Argentinian. Including those who originaly settled in Patagonia and elsewhere.
Please, has they settled there before your country even existed, do not counter with the arguement that they settled on Argentinian territory. Ther was no Argentina at that time, historical fact. They settled on islands discovered by the British, again, historical fact.
Falklanders do express their opinion here, but as you marginalise or even denegrate their opinions, we their ancestral relatives, for most, not all of them, voice our support for them. It is called solidarity, a word which is frequently quoted on here with respect to your sides support from your neighbours.
Now, time for the 3 S's before work. Good morning.
@72 REALITY Check
Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, Sir !
(72) reality check
Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“They are now Falklanders”
I say:
You call them “Falklanders”.
I call them what they are: Full British Citizens squatting some Islands on the other side of the planet and assisting the UK in their domination and exploitation plans of 12,000,000 km2 of South-Atlantic Territory.
You say further:
” ...They settled there (Malvinas) before your Country even existed......... There was no Argentina at that time, historical fact.”
I say:
What is it with you, British Turnips and fake ”Historical Facts”?
I have seen this same argument uncritically parroted dozens of times on this pages by you, Anglo Turnips.
An argument developed and used by paid (FCO, Pepper & Pascoe, etc...etc...etc...) or deluded people (Justin(hishead)Kuntz) to brainwash the significant mass of Anglo turnips badly in need of some “Worthy National Cause & National Pride”, who have a mate who’s uncle knew a lad that served in the Falklands/Malvinas conflict......
The “Historical Fact” about the name: ”ARGENTINA is:
The Argentinean Nation was called many different but coincident names since her birth in 1810/16…:
“Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata”, “Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata en Sudamérica”, “Nación Argentina”, “República Argentina”, “Argentina.” etc...
Just Google it......., for Christ sake!
Or better yet......, listen to the Argentinean National Anthem of 1812 …
The words “Argentina” and “Argentinean” are mentioned no fewer than four times in it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s8ejiJ1nkE
Imagine how turnipy any foreign would sound in your ears if he argued that the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Tuaisceart Éireann) didn’t exist previous to 1922….. and therefore they have no previous historical rights!
Well that's how turnipy you lot sound when parroting the ridiculous argument about “Argentina not existing in 1833”
Inform yourself......
hhmmm... I see the debate has moved away from the port!...
Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0(75) falklandlad
Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not really....
Just waiting for some Kelper input....
In the meantime, wasting one's time with the Pom Turnips...
Think (76) Islander (70) sees the sense. Not even Pt William is “deep water”. A bundle of phrases are being used interchangeably which have entirely different meanings. Some learning to be done, I fear.
Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0(77) falklandlad
Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct ….......…................ Again.
The waters west of Navy Point, (where the new Puerto Williams is “projected”) are as shallow (if not shallower) as the waters in front of FIPASS.
Anybody doubting my good foe falklandlad info is welcome to check the Admirality Chart at the link below for him/herself....:
http://www.falklandislands.com/assets/documents/2011-harbour-info-basic.pdf ( page 15)
Puerto Williams is NO DEEP SEA Harbor….… Not at all….
What are those Poms at the Ex.Co. brewing?
More power to the Falklands Peoples and a brighter future regardless of their neighbours rants.... its going to be very hard for the committee of 24 goons to keep pretending they are actually doing their job of “decolonisation” for much longer.
Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, a lot of people already see this is the case, but a lot more will be seeing it as things progress well (as they seem always to be doing for the FI at the moment).
(did you see what i did there?)
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“Pom Turnips”.... interesting turn of phrase that.
Is it supposed to be insulting in some way....?
@72
Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is drunk!
@74
Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata”
Am I wrong in assuming that the above quoted was made up ofthe future Argentina, Bolivia Uruguayand part of Brazil?
74 Think (#)
Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I say you are squatters in Argentina because you drove out an entire population to gain the Country you call Argentina. Not one single Falkland Islanders resorted to that kind of carnage because there was no one on the Islands before they arrived. No Argentines either for that matter because your Country had not been formally named.
No matter how you despise us we are legitimate and you on the other hand are not.
(82) kelperabout
Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know your position in those respects, lad.....
But, the question in this topic is......:
A) Are you in favor of the immediate construction of Puerto Williams...
or
B) Are you in favor of the immediate FIPASS extension...
Is the question understood?
Remember, any company involved in this illegal activity will be subjecty to law suit and severe sanctions.
Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 083 Think (#)
Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Port Williams is fine really makes no differance to me because I don't have a boat. It could have been built in the middle of the falkland Sound and still been OK. FIPASS and Stanley harbour is rather cluttered to afford sensible port extensions but push come to shove would also do. Oh and could be a lassie chappie.
@84
Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bullsh1t.
The Argentines have not opened ONE court case against ANY company prospecting for oil around the Falkland Islands. We've been waiting for one over 6 months-still jack sh1t, nothing, zilch, zero. talk, talk, talk, yadder yadder yadder yadder-nothing.
What sanctions?
You going to hit them with a feather duster?
Going to tickle them?
Timmidman I-think-I'm-Wallace or Gromit going to the UN YET again during his weekly visits to cry Wolf (yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) with no, zero, zilch, bugger all, jack sh1t effect?
What you mean is 'remember, anything Argentina promises and threatens has as much chance of actually happening as Argentina paying its debts, honouring agreements, getting back its flagship, getting oil investors for its shale fields, and supplying people with lemons that are not full of colouring poisoning.'
Like in 1982 when Argentina claimed HMS Invincible had been sunk three (or was it more?) times. If Argentina's salvage crews were as good as ours they could have raised the Belgrano in two days. I saw invincible steam into port in 1982. It looked in good nick seeing as it had been sunk three times.
(82) Kelperabout
Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“..... Not one single Falkland Islanders resorted to that kind of carnage because there was no one on the Islands before they arrived.”
I say:
Seems that I will have to repeat this story, once again, for the benefit of the young brainwashed Kelpers….:
”(13) Think ... Stop the hypocrisy....
Not satisfied wit having stolen the Malvinas Islands, …….you British sailed further to Tierra del Fuego and kidnapped hundreds of Yaghan indians to Keppel Island……
You “Concentrated” them at that “Camp”, mistreating and denigrating them during decades in your “Haughty & Holy Anglican Mission” of saving their souls by destroying their lifes…….
Their bones are still at Cranmer Station .........
No wonder that Jemmy Button killed the lot of you when he finally got a chance……”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/10/17/mapuche-protest-in-bariloche-demand-removal-of-statue-of-the-man-guilty-of-the-greatest-genocide
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You could also check this other article, just to get you started in learning your own bloody history my dear Squatter lad…..:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/10/17/mapuche-protest-in-bariloche-demand-removal-of-statue-of-the-man-guilty-of-the-greatest-genocide
87 Think (#)
Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never seen such a lot of total crap written untill now.
History does not say that any British people captured any indians to live at Kepple . The actual facts are that the Indians started a mission on Kepple Islands then for reasons of their own discontinued it.
Evryone who came to settle on these Islands did so without any pressure whatso ever. Some try to rewrite History to argue their case. That is what Argentina is very good at. Distorting the truth.
Try as you might 87 Think (#) our people do not have a tainted history but yours does.
Soon as I mention this you revert to the fact it is not the subject story. Well neither is any of the rubbish you are printing on here either.
It is people just like you with your attitude towards other people who clearly come accross as the most disalusioned because it is quite often the case when someone shouts the odds without checking the facts they are either mentally retarded or totally jealous of another.
Go sit down have a nice cup of good old English Tea and you will feel sooooo much better che.
(88) kelperabout
Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Never seen such a lot of total crap written untill now.
History does not say that any British people captured any indians to live at Kepple. The actual facts are that the Indians started a mission on Kepple Islands then for reasons of their own discontinued it. Evryone who came to settle on these Islands did so without any pressure whatso ever. Some try to rewrite History to argue their case. That is what Argentina is very good at. Distorting the truth.”
I say:
Lad…. Are you one of those “New Generation, highly educated Kelpers” I have been hearing so much about?
Here, just for you, some extracts from an article about Keppel Island Mission written by one of your own; sweet Gail Steen…:
”Captain Snow was sent by the Patagonian Mission Society to find a suitable unoccupied island in the Falklands on which to establish a Mission Station.
The plan was to establish contact with the Fuegian Indians, persuade them to come to Keppel Island, educate them in Christianity, English language and skills that would, in his view, save their souls, enrich their lives and encourage them on their return home to spread the ways of the white man and his God among the 'poor benighted Fuegians'….
By 1856 disaster had struck the Mission.
Governor Moore in Stanley was not in favour of Indians being brought to Keppel, as he thought the place was not being properly managed. There was talk of 'SLAVE TRADE' in reference to the Indians.
…the Fuegian Indians (over 150 Indians had been brought to Keppel over the years), either the missionaries' willing helpers or captive labourers, did much of that work.
Before we left we visited the graveyard…There are many indentations in the ground with no markers… So many stories … Some lost forever.
http://www.falklands.info/history/histarticle21.html
She is right you know… So many stories….. Some lost forever….. But many of them available on Internet….
If you aren’t a brainwashed Turnip…
I see we have moved on from discussing port development, but Think has it about right, and importantly quotes a local historian, Gail Steen. Some historical facts do sometimes get obfuscated. There are other good works recording what happened at Keppel Island and with the Fuegian Indians, and perhaps when viewed in this day and age, none too pretty.
Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back to Port Development then.....
Oct 30th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if the ExCo also plans to resucitate the “Falkland Island Express”?
Port William is not a bad place to build this new harbour compound.
Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stanley is too close to the city and gas and oil tankers are not really safe, even under constant surveillance. Lightning may strike and...
Good for the islanders, and another step in their unstoppable way to self determination!
Cheers.
(92) Argie
Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Argie.............., of course.......
I'm positive that moving the harbor a half mile CLOSER to the spiritual center of Puerto Estanley (the Globe Tavern) will greatly improve safety......
What a Turnip!
Notice Think that Gail wrote PERSUADE the indians to come and settle here. Nothing about making them come against their will.
Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway seems the port is more important to you though what differwnce it makes to you is neither here nor there because it will be a Falkland Island venture without any input from Argentina.
Oil will happen here that is a fact and the port will happen no matter where one actually wants it. What it might and likely will cause is a massive diversion of shipping from latin America because once it does get going it will be the safest and farest port in the Southern hemisphere. Maybe it is those facts that get under Thinks skin.
Like I said earlier couldn't give a toss where it actually goes as long as it is eventually built. That will be a nice responce to Argentine Blockades against us. International operators will come and go as they please.
Argentina are as usual just full of hot air with their threats of taking future oil companies to court. Why most of those joining us could eat Argentina for breakfast financially so no chance of any serious issues in that area. Still who am i to tell you because you seem to have all the incorect answers anyway.
I am so glad that i am from the Scottish decent because it appears Think you rather like them better than the brits.
I have to go now as need to sit down to my traditional Falkland Supper. Grown from the land cultivated by my forefathers. Couldn't get better than that che.
Well said, Kelper !
Oct 31st, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0(94) Kelperabout
Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Notice Kelperabout that when Gail wrote ” ”PERSUADE” the Indians”…… she was “QUOTING” Cpt. Allen Francis Gardiner…, a “Devoted Religious*” Englishman with a long self-denial career which ended by a lingering death on nearby Picton Island, fallen victim to starvation in his courageous endeavour to plant the Banner of the Cross among the untaught heathen of South America…………..
* (What we today would call a Fanatical Christian Fundamentalist without any respect for ”heathen” life………)
Anyhow…It’s evident that I’m talking here to a Young Devoted British Squatting Kelper, deeply trained in Historical Denial, aimed on planting the Banner of Saint George among the untaught masses of South America…………..
The brainwash system institutionalized in the Malvinas School Curriculum since the XIX century seems to have worked perfectly on you, laddie ……
@ Think
Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0(11) Benson (may be a Kelper but he doesn’t sound like one.Mixed blood, maybe)
7th generation, all 4 grandparents born in the Falklands (all 8 great grandparents I think)
@94
Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What it might and likely will cause is a massive diversion of shipping from latin America because once it does get going it will be the safest and farest port in the Southern hemisphere. ”
This is why a port is so important for when the oil runs out. The Falklnd islands are a reliable trading partner who stick to their word, and this port will win a lot of business from the Southern ports in Argentina, bringing in more revenue.
(97)Benson
Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are herewith re-categorized in my “Lizt” as a true Kelper....
Please excuse any inconvenience my wrong assumption may have caused you or your family.
Kind regards from your friendly neighbour that would wish we could come up with a mutually beneficial system that would preserve your way of life....... but that can't happen as Britain wants all those juicy 12,000,000 km2 of South-Atlantic and Antarctic territory for themselves and you Kelpers are instrumental in their aims.
El Think.
96 Think (#)
Oct 31st, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I am a fifth generation Islander a true Falkland Islander just so happens that everyone before me and all other Islanders came from some place else. So before you get your pants ina twist think about it. Not squatters or the like simply a born and bread islander who can trace their history back to almost 160 years.
(100) kelperabout
Oct 31st, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hundred sixty years of Squatting, you say!
Thank you very much for that information, laddie….
They will be added to your Family’s invoice before its departure…..
@101 Thick
Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They will be added to your Family’s invoice before its departure…..”
Well, it's official, then !!!!
LOL, what a twit !
Kelper's family will be there long after you and the cancerous La Campora are lynched by the mob and replaced by different regime cronies.
CFK will have long abandoned her besotted minions and fled to a luxury retirement in Caracas...
Or CFK may even be dead . Believe the blood pressure is low.
Nov 01st, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny Think how you seem to believe that we are squatters on a land that belonged to no indigenous people when our forefathers settled here.
What excuse do you have for squatting on land you call Argentina.
At least the land we are on was always the Falkland Islands by name . Yours was not.
But why bother to even inform you because you can't even THINK properly or actually understand real people. Your pen name should have been THICK would have been more fitting.
Think, no one who lives in the Falklands Islands shall depart at your or Argentina's behest.
Nov 01st, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and your ilk shall never prevail for you are both wrong and powerless.
What you think or say does not matter. Not a tinker's cuss.
You're having a laugh, a deep water port for a smaller than average English village? Or perhaps the almost 100% uninhabited countryside around it (what did the census say - 300 odd people outside Stanley)! Or perhaps for the interests of British imperial capital???
Nov 04th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Btw, I don't, and Cristina doesn't, want the Falklanders to have to go anywhere. Just to stop being willing pawns in a “great game” where there wellbeing is so obviously not the only aim of the British state. Its just not clever politics for a village to willfully antagonize the rest of its continent on behalf of a former power half a world away!
@105 Bitter Kirchnerist
Nov 04th, 2012 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Its just not clever politics for a village to willfully antagonize the rest of its continent on behalf of a former power half a world away!”
BK, not seen you this overtly threatening before.
Where does your anger come from?
Do you hate the Falklanders for some reason?
Is it personal ?
#106 I'm not threatening anything, I'm suggesting a better course to my fellow Brits who's best interests I support
Nov 04th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107 Bitter Kirchnerist
Nov 04th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“#106 I'm not threatening anything, I'm suggesting a better course to my fellow Brits who's best interests I support”
Ok, so you are saying,
“. Its just not clever politics for a village to willfully antagonize the rest of its continent on behalf of a former power half a world away!”
Let's not be coy:
To put that statement into the context of a previous invasion, a current economic blockade, political attacks at the UN, and an overt threat of a new invasion from Defense Minister, Puricelli, it would be fair to paraphrase your remark as
“For your own good, greatly-outnumbered Falklanders, it would be best if you surrendered your sovereignty to Argentina. Britain is too far away to help you if we attack or invade.”
Put up your hands, those who agree ...
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