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US economy beats forecasts and expands on stronger consumer spending

Friday, October 26th 2012 - 21:33 UTC
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The economy expanded more than forecast in the third quarter, paced by a pickup in consumer spending, a rebound in government outlays and gains in residential construction. GDP rose 2% annual rate after climbing 1.3% in the prior quarter, Commerce Department figures showed on Friday. Read full article

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  • Ayayay

    It's astrological, the cardinal cross was over by August.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Four more years of Obama
    (Better that than the Mor(m)on, i suppose.....)

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    What does it matter to you think(less). Would love Romney if for nothing else to watch him urinate on RGland

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Good News, or Bad news,

    Sitting on the fence,
    Which way will he fall,
    And will they be able to put humpty Obama back to gether again.
    The point is,,

    IRAN,
    will his new friends back him, support him and Israel,

    France and Argentina, hand in hand dancing together in support..
    Or will he have to turn, once again to that poor little island in the north Atlantic, to whom he rejected for France, his new friend in Europe,
    Or Argentina, to whom Clinton was ready and willing to help get the islands back, all friendly of course.
    OBAMA,
    Good for Argies, not so welcome news, to the brits,

    Still,
    He can but sit on the fence, just like a vulture..??
    Just an opinion…

    A new president,A new start, a new day.?

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    To all the Yankee Turnips in here.......
    Read my lips......
    F-O-U-R M-O-R-E Y-E-A-R-S

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    5, we belive their is only one,

    but what if he loses.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    6
    Look where Bush brought USA... Should Romney win, we are up for four harsh years, well knowing that USA will be dust when his period is over, in all senses.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    well we dont think, USA will be dust,
    but our allies, will and is going to have a big headach soon,

    dont know when,
    but if israel gets its way, or the experts are right,
    the Iran will be a big problem to the Americans very soon.
    so they say.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    8
    With all respect, I think that's just mouthcrap. The real issue laus in stopping the exodus of production companies.
    Thing is, if you have no local production, you need to import stuff at a higher price. That is costly and hence you will need a local production to cope with it. For that you need cash. That can be borrowed at the WB or the IMF at rates that are depending on your country's rating. If you rate good, problem is almost solved, but if you rate badly you can borrow little money at high rent, barely enough to upkeep a stumbling society, much less to start own production. So all you can do is to sell what you have, that being unprocessed natural resources.

    I know these issues seem fairly distant to you lot, but China is buying your debts and she doesn't rate you AAA...

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    china, is a different kettle of fish,
    and china, she may well be doing great things,
    but she is not innocent in all this, she has her own problems,

    she may well be on her way up,
    but is still very vulnerable,
    and china, cannot afford conflict at this stage, as her bubble may well go bang,

    unless you belive she is about the become the most powerfull nation on earth..

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    I don't defend China, at least not off this threads.
    I critizice the system, it is flawed and made for the one that is on top. If you are in the bottom, only outer influence can bring you up, there is nothing you can do when forced to pay more than you can loan. Especially when the market is globalized and production is out-sourced.
    You lot are top of the foodchain, you can change the rules of this game. Do so before it is too late, it might hit you in the back.
    Know I will be as fervent critizicing the same system should the tables turn.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    And Canada gets praised as the world's best run region! They've been innovating algorithms to watch that sectors don't grow too fast and crash.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    And the world limps forward.

    in the end either it gets solved, or it may well all come crashing down.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Sure Briton, but while your limps are about eating well, going to school and taking things for granted, some people limps with their dead kids in their arms. But you have time, right?

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Not at all guzz,

    Some think Britain’s streets are paved with gold,
    Some think British people all drive rolls Royce’s
    Limousines and sports cars,

    Some think, the British people,
    , all 60 odd million of them are paid at least £20,000 pounds A WEEK .
    Some think, in Britain, there is no unemployment
    Some people think, the British are the wealthiest nation on earth,
    Some people even think, the British, are so greedy, that they keep their money at home, whilst the world starves,

    What do you think, guz,,

    Me,
    I know different,
    If only the world and the uneducated know the real truth,
    We think it would be the biggest shock they may ever have,
    And to learn why the British are well respected in this world.
    By those who know first hand…
    .

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    I live in Denmark, and I have been living in quite few Euro countries, believe me when I say that I do know your situation. I wish noone harm, brother from another mother, but this farce can't continue. Men should not live off the shoulders of other men.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    One of the biggest challenges in the world is getting food aid in to a hungry kid in a way that doesn't collapse local production, isn't traded for political support, or isn't siphoned to the black market.

    Or medical aid! Corrupt governments stay in power because the Red Cross & Doctors without Borders are “forced” into agreements where they must treat “all sides”, meaning patching up the well-trained militia to get more experience, as well as the little kids.

    If NGOs supply medical and food and roads for their citizenry & military, these governments then have more money for corruption or weapons .

    Still NGOS persist, because slowly, compassion is contagious.

    It is.

    And the U.S. Supplies half the food aid in the world.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    17
    To hell with your aid! What the world needs is to free themselves from your grip, you miserable piece of rat. Aid, bombs, aid, bombs, more bombs, aiding bombs.
    Shooting civilians from helicopters! You have no shame in your bones!!

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    Guzz, all I've read you write about is how- sly-you and Argentina are, stuff on 'using' the system, and weapons.

    And killing feeling beings for food.
    You know the world can only give you the treatment that you treat other living beings with, right?

    I'd PREFER to hear about how Argentines are CARING for the feeling beings that are vulnerable to them.

    And I'd be mildly interested in how you personally help food security for Arg kids.

    So---Argentina-- has the domestic helicopter thing.

    but I think you're referring to a country that the USSR tried to help stabilize in the 80s and it didn't:

    In Afghanistan, 70% of Afghani man polled REQUESTED U.S. Security forces. As anyone can seen in Syria, safety must comes from the INSIDE first.

    And finally, Argentina is a net aid recipient.
    I don't think we'll stop getting food to hungry kids because anyone says so. :D

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    19
    The fact that you understood that of what I've been writing doesn't surprise me at all. The fact that you as a yanqui is able to put more than 3 words together in a sentence without harming a child, does.

    Oct 27th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Think you're just some SA indian, it does not effect you how is USA president.....right? So now hair of your ass who wins. lol

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Two all GOP's in here....:

    Yes We Can!
    A New Beginning!
    Obama for America!
    Women for Obama!
    Cristina for Obama!
    Obama for Cristina!

    --------------------------------

    Obama and Cristina
    Qué pareja más Divina!

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    It nice that you take interest in American politics.......lololololololol

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Cristina_Fernandez_y_Obama.jpg

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mastershakejb

    Argies jealous of USA and UK forever and ever and ever, amen!

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    How are your mushrooms growing?

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    2Think
    ” Four more years of Obama
    (Better that than the Mor(m)on, i suppose.....) ”

    I heard this is a special breed of Yankees with magic underwear..

    http://1857massacre.com/MMM/mormon_underwear.htm

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    9... China is buying Argentina!!!

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #25 What they are actually jealous about is that we both have democracy and they have a dictator

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    I heard this is a special breed of Yankees with magic underwear

    perhaps they can cover you in chocolate,
    and a glass of pongy wine.

    but hey,
    he may not win, [y] not wait and see,
    no point in partying before the result,

    unless you feel confident, [punk] justa joka

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Seems they fear his magic underwear

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    yep.lol.

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton the arse

    @30 31 32
    What a waste of UK bloody rubbish testicles!

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    16 Guzz

    “Men should not live off the shoulders of other men” LOL sooooo true!!! And he sooner the Argentine government realise this, the better for everyone.

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Suzzie la campora has not expired you yet geeeeez. Everyone is a Brit to you. Are you on the loose again, did you get your rabies shot?

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    I think that the “US recovery” may be a moot point before too long anyway....... Isn't China's powerhouse economy supposed to overtake their sometime after 2018??? and there after the US will be playing second fiddle to Beijing tune.

    But still, this US recovery is a good thing. Anything that that makes it harder for Mitt “two guns” Romney to get into the White House is very good indeed.

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yes they are projected to take over the USA as number spot as long as they can keep seeling to the USA and EU their crap. However a lot of businesses are starting to pull out of CHina in favor or Malaysia because getting things in China is getting difficult and they shipping is starting to be cost prohibitive. With a global economy, the profit motive is always going to move to new locations of production. 70s and 80s saw the USA fall out of favor for Japan......then the new favorite was india in the 90s,,,,the 00s saw China. Toss a dart for the new China?

    Oct 28th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    I wish them prosperity! Thlived avg Chinese made $3,000 a year. The avg Asian household in this one county in Texas made over $100,000 a year ( :

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The argies seem very interested in the recovery of the states,

    yet remarkably seem not to interested in the recovery of that poor little boat, that have but abandoned.

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    It doesn't matter who wins, OBAMA and ROMNEY are the EXACT same people.

    Warfare: Obama clearly hasn't held back...Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Iran is most likely next. Syria is already requiring the “non military” support of the USA. Then there are the drone wars all over the middle east. Really the guy isn't very peaceful. As for Romney, he would like to shoot stuff too, and openely admits it.

    Welfare: Well we know Obama's stance, but Romney??!! He is for some kind of goverment healthcare, he support more money for education loans and who knows what else. Again the two are very similar.

    Deficit: Well Obama raised it o 16 trillion dollars. Romney could probably manage to outdo him. Bush managed a few trillion. It's almost like a game to see who can get the highest score.

    Privacy: Bush did the Patriot Act (soooo patriotic) and Obama the NDDA or whatever it is called. Romney support both.

    Now what do they differ on....???? Abortion and gay marriage. That is it. So the USA politics have simplified it for the voters. Personally I hope Obama wins it and then things get really bad (Romney they would get just as bad). That way socialism will be blamed, maybe, and we can go back to more freedoms. Let people work again and keep their own money. Eliminate the parasites that live off of other people through welfare, warfare, etc. Enough GIGANTIC GOVERNMENT.

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    @40 we have Ron Paul, who has DECADES, decades of voting for peace in the Senate, but because he's a libertarian and everyone likes one of the the two gov cash handouts: military security or social benefits, he doesn't appeal to a huge region.

    He had my vote, now Obama does like he did last time :)

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #40 so who are you voting for?

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    I'll be voting for Gary Johnson, libertarian. How can anyone be against freedom? Many people will remark Libertarians as being crazy or radical, but what is so radical about NOT spending over $4 trillion, or NOT being the police of the world, or NOT imprisoning citizens without trial or any charge at all??? (both Romney and Obama support these things)

    Libertarians, like Ron Paul, don't believe in abortion or maybe even gay marriage, but they accept that the Federal government has nothing to do with such a topic. The USA constitution is very specific on what the federal government can do and what the state governments can do, and essentially the states and the people have all of the rights. The Federal government isn't supposed to do healthcare, education, drug wars; these are decisions reserved for states and people.

    No one can say that what is going on with the USA is the right path. Things aren't getting better. The whole system is just a joke. Third parties will never have a chance and the two parties are locked so tight no one can get in.

    What happened???!!! People get detained and it is legal. That doesn't even happen in Paraguay. Elections are a gigantic fraud, even Paraguay has freer elections than the USA. I just don't get it and it saddens me because I was taught that freedom was a good thing, this I learned in the USA....

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #43
    That statement alone shows how little you conceptualize the US Constitution. The only real specificities in the constitution relates to elected officials and such. MY founding fathers where smart enough to make it vague enough to be interpretable for future generations. Article 1 spells out quite specifically and broadly enough to carry about what has been enacted. To make the statement and claim”:
    “The Federal government isn't supposed to do healthcare, education, drug wars; these are decisions reserved for states and people.”
    Fails to make it past the first sentence of Section 8 , Article 1;
    “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”
    Perhaps you believe that the health and education and safety of Americans do not relate to the “General Welfare” of the United States……I can assure you that most natural born Americans think otherwise.
    Unless you can point out in the Constitution where those actions are specifically prohibited, they are in fact actionable responsibilities of the United States government.
    The 10th Amendment can play a role in what and state can do, provided it is not a federal role.
    Powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton the arse

    @44 Captain Poppy
    ,,,,,,eeeeeeeeeeh....copying from books,,,,,,you damn irish man!

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You mean if you were able to vote you would vote for Gary Johnson......lol

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    40 BAMF Paraguay

    ”Bush did the Patriot Act (soooo patriotic) and Obama the NDDA or whatever it is called. Romney support both.“

    So...... Mitt Romney hasn't had a single original thought or policy of his own. So then, the question you should be asking is ”When will he pull that fence post out of his a*se?“

    if you do vote for Gary Johnson, libertarian. then you will be wasting your vote Gary Johnson is NEVER likely to get in the white house. It will be between Obama and romney. Any vote that is not for one of these two is a wasted vote.

    The question you should be asking is not ”Which one do I like the most?“ but ”Which one do I dislike the least?”

    Being on the outside looking in, I hope that Obama gets it. I hope that he gets voted in for another term. Right now, in this climate, the world needs a leader like Obama. Not just for America but for the World...... Maybe later, in future it will be strong enough to survive a Republican abministration FUBAR ing it's way through 4 - 5 years in the White House, but for now Obama is the man for the moment.

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    A wasted vote is the oldest argument in democracy, which implies that if the candidate you vote for does not have a chance to win, why vote for them? That's how two party systems remain two party systems.
    That being said, libertarians are quite radical in there philosophy.....but it's there right to believe what they want. Only a matter of time that the Tea Baggers and the Libertarians consolidate.
    Either, it really should not matter to the rest of the world who gets in....right?

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    47
    Indeed!!
    True American democracy, any vote that doesn't go to the multi-millionaires, is a wasted vote :)))

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    And cuntlips kirchner is so poor after stealing all that land to build her 1 star hotels with roaches, or the Aerolinas money they embazzled.....yup poor people. Do all your kind think like you? No worries.....one day you will be considered an equal.

    Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    Poppy - Clearly we interpret the constitution differently, which is fine. Look my point is simply that things don't look good for the USA, which means most of the world as well. The constitution in my opinion was flawed in many ways. Instead of stating the only things that government can do, specifically, it allowed a simple majority to decide how they wished to interpret the constitution. The addition of amendments requiring 2/3 seems perfectly good to allow the constitution to adapt with time. There are innumerable cases of the government violating the constitution, including both Bush and Obama. But it just doesn't seem to matter anymore.

    Since you still live in the USA, I know you see the changes that are happening. This uncontrolled spending and the end of our personal liberties has destroyed what I learned made the US so great. The USA isn't the land of opportunity anymore, it is being destroyed by the Gigantic Government. It is almost like Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged is being played out, line by line. Hate to say it, but the Welfare/Warfare will mark the end of a great nation.

    BTW, I am an American Citizen, engineer from Purdue, and I left the country because I couldn't stand being an indentured servant to the government, paying nearly 50% of my labor in taxes.

    #47 - My single vote won't change an election. You also have the awesome Electoral College that will insure your vote is pretty much pointless. By giving your vote, you are giving your confidence to that person; I have no confidence in either of those two deutsch bags. Plus do YOU really believe there is a difference between the two?? If so please name it (unless it is gay marriage and abortion).

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    First, they never intended the Supreme Court to be a system to interpret the Constitution. They were designed to be a Federal Court system. It was not until Marbury vs. Madison in 1803 that the Supreme Court defined itself as the ultimate interpretation of the law. ( Supremes Greatest Hits.....very good book) I think it is one of the most brillant concept to out system......and not held hostage to politics......despite how they are chosen, but for life.
    I do realize we spend too much, and it should be tied to inflation indicators, military should be spent more wisely, but welfare is such a small % of public expeditures, unless you consider social security and medicare welfare, they are shared expenses by employer and employee.
    I am not sure where you feel that Bush and Dr. Evil violated the constitution?
    BTW......when I don't like either candidates I do a write in. Despite what others may think regarded as a wasted vote, I do not believe my voice in democracy is always suppose to be enacted upon, just as long as I can voice it. And by the way.......when Romney was Governor of my state...Massachusetts.....he was personally against abortion, but believed it was not a governments position to decide and he had not problem with gay marriages, Massachusetts being the first state in the nation to allow them. Then again......he was performing to a smaller audience then.

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    #52 - Well both have signed into law legislature that destroys the 5th amendment. There are also the undeclared wars, Libya, Pakistan. The 8th and 6th amendments don't exist anymore since torture and detainment are now allowed, including on USA citizens, this under the NDAA.

    To have eliminated these amendments, a new amendment needs to be created not a simple law as was done. The 2/3 majority should always be respected, and when it isn't the constitution becomes less and less relevant.

    As for the welfare, I do consider social security and medicare as welfare. Then there are food stamps, free cell phones, section 8 housing, free education, subsidies, cheap loans for college, etc. To me, these services only make the problem worse. College education is terribly expensive and there are too many college graduates because of the credit bubble on higher education. It has good intentions, but the results are detrimental to exactly the people that it is trying to help. Section 8 housing destroys neighborhoods because the value of those homes plummets, leaving home owners with a worthless mortgage. Free cell phones ends up encouraging the poor to spend money on more minutes and thus end up with less money than if they didn't have a phone. Free education has slowly made our government educational system inefficient and a great tool to indoctrinate our children (I being one). Free Healthcare only makes healthcare more expensive; someone has to pay, but if the user isn't it, then they don't take care of themselves as much and use the services more when it may not have been necessary. Social Security encourages people not to save for retirement. And then the debt of all of this only ends up being a tax (inflation) that affects the poor the most.

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I understand you arfe not an American, but you do realize that the 5ft amendment does have an exception.
    “except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger”

    Assuming you are referring the the “grand Jury”

    And I tend to believe that enemy combatants do not enjoy the privledge of the 6th and 8th amendments. Personally as a veteran, I would prefer field justice then even wasting time and money holding a military tribunal.
    It's easy to understand how a foreigner thinks that congress has to declare a war against a nation and that is the only way the USA can legally deploy the military. Congress can also callon the Military to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    Most all Americans consider 9/11 an invasion and it is really irrelavent if foreign born people think otherwise.

    As for social welfare I am somewhere between the Republicans and Democrats.....nothing as radical as you and the libertarians. The funny thing with opinions.....your's and mine alike, people with them always believe they are right and others are wrong. It immediate cease any of the programs you refer to would have dire consequences and would need 10 to 20 eyears to phase out. SSA is suppose to be a SUPPLEMENT...not a retirement. SSA is as American as the NFL, NBA and MLB

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Today's American Libertarian and GOP's are the sore result of the Commie Water Fluoridation of the 50's....
    And the rest are just some Kicking Donkeys……

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    #54 - Look I am an American, studied most of my life there, worked there, and then I left because i couldn't stand being an indentured servant to the government anymore.

    The 5th amendment does have the exception you mentioned, but it relates to situations where people are being charged with an “infamous” crime; such as felonies. The problem is that the indefinite detentions don't charge anyone with a crime, thus violating the 6th amendment. Just charge them with treason or something and use the exception to avoid violating the 5th.

    And as for your preference to simply violate the constitution and provide for field justice, then there should simply not be a constitution, or at least not a bill of rights. Either respect the rules or don't make them; I'm okay with that because then I at least I know what to expect.

    It just sucks to see people become detained for simply using their first amendment right. These are American Citizens, like you and me, that haven't done anything wrong other than say they don't like the government or call on some conspiracy theory. It is fine until the day it affects you Sir, or your son or grandchild. We simply can't give the government the power to do such things.

    I am against the social programs, but I don't advocate ending them from one minute to the next. Allow Social Security to be privatized at the least; with each person having their own private accounts or just stay in the same current system. It worked in Chile, it can work there; took 20 years or more. Before 1935 there was no SSA, people managed fine.

    I think people need to have some responsibility for their own lives and not rely so much on the government. We are adults, thus we are responsible for our own lives. Our choices dictate what happens in our lives and we must live with the benefits and consequences of such decisions.

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The 5th amendment does have the exception you mentioned, but it relates to situations where people are being charged with an “infamous” crime; such as felonies.

    Ever serve? Probably not.....Most prefer not to serve their country. Field justice is more common that not from EVERY military world wide. Ever see Americans slowly have their head sawed off? You want civility for that? Not from me. You think Bush took down the Twin Towers? I don't........ I want justice that. You think the Muslim extremists is correct to consider everyone NOT Islamic an enemy that should die?
    You feel the constittution was violated.....I do not.
    Personally I an not totally convinced the bill of rights should be extended to non-citizens and I do think an illegal speading her legs out and dropping her bastard here in the USA should be deemed a natural born citizen by the shear fact of being born here. I think that's a violation of the COnstitution.

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Capitain Poppy = Galloping PTSD

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    #57 - I have not served and do not wish to. The food that you ate while serving was produced by my family; each does what they can.

    I made no mention of violation of these rights to non-citizens or against combatant enemies. I truly have no opinion in the case of war as each war must be treated differently. My issues only deal with USA citizens because those are specifically protected for in the constitution.

    And for the illegal woman spreading her legs and dropping babies off in the USA, I would say she is illegal and should be deported as the law states. I don't exactly support such a law, but since it exists then enforce it.

    Look Poppy, the lives of the soldiers in the military would be valued more if the government were a libertarian one. Today there are businesses that literally make money off these wars and so they would obviously want more wars and thus put the lives of soldiers in harms. Libertarians believe in a strong military, and use it only when necessary; such was the case of Afghanistan which even Ron Paul voted in favor of. But we believe in getting in there, kicking some ass, kill who we need to kill, and then get the f*ck out. It isn't our damn problem what happens afterwards and it'll serve as a nice lesson to anyone that wants to try and repeat such an attack.

    Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    We agree on some things and others we do not. However, another I want to see is a draft returned .

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  • BAMF Paraguay

    The draft has become obsolete for the USA. You see more and more technically educated and trained people are needed. Engineers for example are what we need more than a high school drop out foot soldier. And if things got bad, many would join if called upon to do so. Even illegal aliens would gladly fight for the USA.

    Oct 31st, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Everyone that never served always says that.....just like war is easy 6,000 miles away. This I can assure you.....when the missiles stop....the air campaign ends and the chaos is claimed to be over..........No one can declare victory until someone takes the flag from city hall (figuratively). Only the politician that never served his country will tell you technology can win wars. I strongly disagree with cowards that “choose” not to serve.

    Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton the arse

    @56 & 62
    keep yopur comments in your arse,,,,,,,everyone knows that the 1924/36 USA Great Depression forced the USA goverment to create the SSA,,,,,and to provide a well fare system to protect the unemployed,,,,,the poor,,,,the disable,,,,same thing in the UK,,,,,
    what went wrong is the expending of 1 trillion dollars on the Iraq invasion,,,,,the biggest failure of the USA and the UK,,,,,

    Oct 31st, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Seems like the Falklanders will not have to work in a few years....I'm jealous...lol

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/31/uk-hedge-funds-falklands-idUSLNE89U01M20121031

    Oct 31st, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bonita

    @ 64Conqueror Captain Poppy
    .....and the islands looks like a very poor place to reside....
    .see the internet....the Malvina House....a few cheap restaurants....no fun!
    they islanders never will make the islands worth anything....keep the islands in your big arse!

    Oct 31st, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    BAMF and what does the government do for hurricanes......say “oh well....shit happens”?

    Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Same as they do when your troops kills 8 year old kids....

    Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    You see Poppy, you think too narrowly. Without my services the army would starve. Without other people's services, there would be no tanks, guns, rounds, etc. Each and everyone contributes in their own way. I can guarantee you that my services in agriculture will be much more valuable than as a foot soldier. I will help the cause of war much more by planting crops than fighting.

    But yes foot soldiers are necessary, but not to the extent that they used to be. We don't need armies of millions like the USSR used to have, but the soldiers that are needed are fulfilled by simple voluntary enlistment; there is no more need for a draft.

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  • Captain Poppy

    Opinions.....I respect yours though.

    Nov 02nd, 2012 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    #66 - The government uses money that it taxes from people. The problem is that the government is very inefficient. First the cost to comply with say the income tax is outrageous (some $600 billion/year). Then there is corruption. And finally the money is simply poorly utilized; the Marxist idea of digging holes and filling them back up to create jobs has even been implemented which is simply a sick joke.

    So I say let the people handle it, or at least let it be handled at a more local level. The federal government isn't accountable to the money it collects and thus it is spent poorly. I mean over $4 trillion/year, you telling me that it is well spent?? I don't think so, and I highly doubt anyone thinks it is being properly spent. Hell the federal government is the one causing this depression. Either the american population wakes up to this fact or they'll face stagnation like we are seeing for a long long time.

    Nov 03rd, 2012 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I am not saying that “government ” is efficient” or that it can't be better. However I have my own thoughts on what a Federalist government should and should not be. First and foremost is the general well being of it's citizen's.

    Nov 03rd, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Good news, especially if it keeps Romney out =)

    #22&24 Obama is head and shoulders over Romney, but Cristina is head and shoulders overboth of them. Sure you'd agree =)

    Nov 03rd, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    BK what is the worst thing Romney did as Governor of Massachusetts, you know so much about him?

    ps
    asslips the cunt is on her knees wide open to both of them

    Nov 04th, 2012 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Obama will win :)))

    Nov 04th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Perhaps....either it does not matter. Neither it destroying the country like cuntina kirchner is doing to your homeland in argentina. No wonder you fled south america gizzy boi....I do not blame you from seeking safety and security in Europe......smart move on your part.....your homeland of argentina is dead.

    Nov 04th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #73 The dignified Cristina will continue to resist the Washington consensus, whoever is sent to Washington

    Nov 04th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Ahhhhh so you cannot answer that question? lol Thought so. Washington could give two flying fucks about argentina, they have real nations to interact with. Argentina ranks up there with Suriname

    Nov 04th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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