MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“The old lady is worse than the cross-eyed man” says President Mujica
Uruguay’s President Jose Mujica, speaking without realizing a microphone was on, referred to Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner as that ‘old lady’ saying she is “worse” than her late husband and predecessor, Nestor Kirchner. Read full article
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Apr 04th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what!!!!!
Apr 04th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0first Malta now Uruguay - great day for the Argentine Reich!!!
PMSL!
Apr 04th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latin American solidarity at its best!
CFK looked like a crazy bag lady walking around in LaPlata. I have a feeling it was supposed to be a day off with a rest in bed but they forced her up with a bit of ephedrine so she can tour the damage.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gads what a wreck,
I hope this disaster brings down the government.
It shows there is as much solidarity and bonhomie in SA as there is at a meeting of Mafia families.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make sure you don't get kissed on both cheeks!
As I have said over and over..not a smart people..
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ibtimes.com/worlds-most-dangerous-zoo-lujan-zoo-argentina-allows-guests-ride-cuddle-feed-lions-bears-video
Priceless.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank the Lord CFK does not have a 100% Argentine Nuclear Defence System.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just love it :)
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 04 Yankeeboy I agree she did not look well in LaPlata . As for Mujica's comment it obviously came from the heart ! What will they do to him , I mean his friendly neighbours .
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she will hissssss like the old rattle snake she is.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us hope she does not launch an invasion fleet.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find the idea of loads of Argentineans losing their lives in her sinking ships quite upsetting.
More mis-representation by Mercopress.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina and Uruguay it is common to call a man “un viejo” and a woman “una vieja”. It is a term of affection, not abuse. Many men of a certain age refer to their wives/partners as “mi vieja”. Mujica and CFK get on fine; they are both former “subversivos”.
OOOOOOOHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAA....
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cross eyed” AAAAAAARRGGHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA...
“Old lady” JAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJ
I can feel the love.....
pissing myself and the beauty is he never said an untrue word, but he could have gone further and said she looks like a swollen cow c*nt and Igor the bug eyed inbred sheep raper was a lesser tw*t.
Poor senile old Pepe. He will get a real dressing down from his missus and Cissy as well. It will be intersting to see how Weedy Brow and Al Magro, our resident Fifth Columists in the Uruguayan govt will respond to this gaffe
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Devolverislas:
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try, but this story came from the Argentinean media.
@10baxter
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ As for Mujica's comment it obviously came from the heart ! What will they do to him , I mean his friendly neighbours .”
As I said in another thread, I expect Medusa will turn him to stone.
:-)
@13 Devolverislas: Could you give your opinion on something for me? I don't expect facts, just your opinion and ideas as to what you think the Argentinean government could bring to the table that would be in the best interests of the Islanders and lead to the Falklands being absorbed into a greater Argentina.
Apr 04th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that you have commented in the past that the UN would require Argentina and the UK to act in the Islanders' interests but not wishes...I would just like an Argentinean to describe how that would work to me.
Poor old Pepe. Time to retire to your chacra and cultivate marijuana I think
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly the truth is out,
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0She is old
She is past it
She is melting
You can see the weather worn plastic fading,
Even a face job could not help her now,
and
Jose Mujica knows what he is talking about,
He was standing next to her, feeling the flakes fly off,
Admit it Argies, as long as you guys support her, the longer it will take you to recover any self respect..
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Truly, this is music to my ears...and to so many argie compatriots who loathe the ugly La Loca.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0#18
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would be in the interests of the islanders? The following come off the top of the head:-
1) a life of peace with the islands' neighbours, without need for defence
2) preservation of their way of life and of their quality of life
2) guarantee of their freedoms and rights
3) self-government in the measure provided by Argentina's federal system.
4) Management of their own economy.
5) Ease/freedom of travel and movement
6) A system of health equal to the present high standard of health care.
7) Educational opportunities that equal if not surpass existing ones
8) Integration and exchange with neighbouring countries. Cultural and Social .
It makes quite an attractive package, does it not?
Devolverisla @ 13
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you say is true, but in the context in which President Mujica spoke, a better translations would be “the old woman” or even “the old hag”.
I don't know why you're criticizing Mercosur's translation. If anything it was too nice.
The incident is the talk of the town in Montevideo today. We're all laughing our heads off. Mujica finally said something non-controversial.
Insider info
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article889196.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Queen+Elizabeth+II+with+a+red+eye
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article889196.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Queen+Elizabeth+II+with+a+red+eye
Pepe is a bad boy :)
@22 Devolverislas
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0None of the things you mention will ever be guaranteed by argentinian politicians, let alone the current thieves and blatant liars who are now in power. As a level-headed argentinian who lived in Argentina most of his long enough life (had the luck to live in London for 6 years), I can easily and resolutely express that no one in their right mind would suggest what you do. Get a grip, for heaven´s sake, what planet are you living on?!!!
@ 22
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 01. It's not peace, it's giving in to the tantrums of bratty children.
2. The islanders would have to trust one of the most untrustworthy countries on Earth to believe that.
3. Ditto.
4. Turkeyneck would bleed the oil industry dry of every penny.
5. I don't think they're that interested in going to a crime-ridden/flooded deathtrap.
6. Bahahaha.
7. Bahahaha.
8. It's not integration, its assimilation. Why would they want to be absorbed into some bizarre dysfunctional Latin hegemony?
You can offer them nothing. Being part of Argentina means a reduction of quality of life.
@22 Devolverislas
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Earlier you tried to brush the remarks off, and yet you can't even get onto El Obsevador's website and Timerman has already met with ambassador Guillermo Pomi.
Anyway to your interesting replies to screenname's questions:
1) a life of peace with the islands' neighbours, without need for defence.
***The Falklands are at peace with everyone but Argentina and only needs defence because of past and current Argentine actions. This is akin to blaming the rape victim
2) preservation of their way of life and of their quality of life
***This cannot be guaranteed by Argentina as they cannot currently preserve the living standards and quality of life already. 6 juntas in the past century and frequent economic collapse is not PRESERVATION
2) guarantee of their freedoms and rights
***6 juntas.... even Argentine's say their rights and freedoms were not protected when they were being thrown out of planes
3) self-government in the measure provided by Argentina's federal system.
***CFK's economic strangulation of provinces she takes issue with makes this a blatant lie
4) Management of their own economy.
***Doubtful, supposedly the resources of the Islands belong to the whole of Argentina - get up to date on the current propoganda please
5) Ease/freedom of travel and movement
***British passports provide this better than Argentine ones. Also the only restrictions on air travel are imposed by Argentina. Remove them and this is already possible
6) A system of health equal to the present high standard of health care.
***You really need to look at how broke the Argentina health system is before spouting this lie
7) Educational opportunities that equal if not surpass existing ones
***The opportunity to study at any university or study at Argentine universities? That is not surpassing existing ones
8) Integration and exchange with neighbouring countries. Cultural and Social
***Already happening - just not with Argentina
Not really that attractive after all.
@22 Devolverislas:
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your answer. Much appreciated.
When written down it does indeed make an attractive package (although point number one does look like a threat). If the package could actually be delivered is another thing altogether.
For example, given the Argentinean position of spreading negative propaganda throughout central/south America (and the rest of the world for that matter), how are they going to suddenly aid 'Integration and exchange with neighbouring countries' without showing themselves as massive liars?
I would not be suprised if “devolverislas” is just a fake acccount of Anglotino's or Britninja's. Only that would explain why they bothered to respond point for point to what was clearly a “set-up” post, to get their daily dosages of anti-Argentine doctrine in.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haters will hate.
#29 Rest assured, @Devolverislas is genuine and its conviction is such that it brushes off the hatred.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0#28 Yes, a lot of venom is spat out by all sides. But that will pass. Argentina is basically a generous country, still, like an adolescent, finding its way. Under its roof is housed a wonderful mixture of people, including descendants of the Falkland Island pioneers who arrived with their families and sheep in Santa Cruz at the end of C19. They were invited to settle by Governor Carlos Moyano, who married Ethel Turner the daughter of an islander.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Nostrils
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Owned!
Nice try but again you show your intellectual and reasoning deficiencies for all to see.
@31 Nostrils
Typical!
This time you are just showing how juvenile you are. Again I appreciate you keep putting it out there for all to see. This only reflects on you and your country.
@30 Devolverislas
Hate? Who hates who? I don't hate anyone. How anyone can hate an entire country or race of people is beyond me.... I believe it to be impossible, however that doesn't stop Nostrils spouting venom and hate about anyone other than Argentina.
Also, Argentina is not a young country. Argentina, its population and its supporters really need to stop spreading that lie too. As a nation state it is not much younger than the US and was around before the state I live in in Australia was even settled by Europeans.
Indeed in the Americas, only the US, Haiti and Venezuela are older than Argentina. I'd have to say that nearly 3/4 of the world's countries are younger than Argentina.
Argentina is only an adolescent because it wishes to act like a petulant child and this is personified in the tantrums of CFK.
This does Argentina a huge disservice. Maybe this is what I hate most of all.
You moron Argentina was 4th richest nation in the world before your country existed. We did that faster than any other society in the history of the world. We had our time of “money” success, now it's time for others.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 03/4 of the world isn't “younger”. Africa, Asia, and Europe have had history for eons. Redrawn borders changes that in the slightest.
Go back to what you do best as an Australian, hurling racial slurs at anyone riding a bus who has a trace faint of non-anglo-saxon skin features, you know, anyone that don't have erupting pimples all over and whose skin is so oily you can use them as lanterns.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Europe the paradise, jajajajaja
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4329/europeach.jpg
But at least they are not the USA, or as we call it “Greater Somalia”. lol
Isn't some mass shooting a-la Mogadishu overdue?
@33 “We had our time of “money” success, now it's time for others.” Oh that's big of you - you're going down the crapper because you're deigning to let others have a turn, it's got nothing to do with your country being totally inept and voting in an endless succession of corrupt and/or megalomanical morons hehe.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, its not as complicated as that. You are a microcephalic Brit, like all brits. And as a result, you read behind the lines, wrongly, things that aren't even there.
We are not deigning anything, no country can be rich forever. Simple as that. In 20 years, Europe will be poorer than most of Latin America, you are already seeing that. Of course I'll make fun of you, but at a basic level I'll understand it's not your fault, things go up and then come down. Simple as that.
Argentina was already rich, it can't be rich now because you can't change the inevitable decline (and only in money). It's the way of life.
In other areas, I have it far better than you will ever have. I have a family, you don't and will never know what it is to have real family. You will die alone, as all Europeans and North Americans do, and guess what, your money ain't going with you.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 @It's lovely that you have such a close family, Tobes - it means you'll actually have some visitors on the high-security ward after you get sectioned ;)
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Hey Toby!!!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Written by an Argentine Academic,
This explains where you get your ideas from:
http://www.argentina-rree.com/documentos/culture_escude.htm
Enjoy!
@41
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You think I will waste my time reading such a prolix refuse?
I do think, very briefly scanning the “introduction” that it is the height of anglosaxonness to accuse Argentina of “nationalism” (with a negative insinuation), just because it pursues nuclear energy and weapons, and that it is somehow “not needed”.
Well, if that's the case, why do the US or UK have them?
I find it quite amazing you are intellectually incapable of seeing the inconsistencies of such positions. And that is why the world despises the USA and UK, and that is why eventually the White House and Buckingham will be smoldering rubble.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Teen Troll
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's an ARGENTINE article about the ARGENTINE condition.
You are living testimony that the article is an accurate account of modern Argentinian thinking.
The irony is, you won't read it, yet the article explains exactly WHY you won't!
If you do not read it all, you cannot comment on the conclusions.
Sorry. Your programming won't allow you to understand.
Sucks to be a product of an inferiority complex.
:-)
Oooops! The truth will out!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0#42
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find it quite amazing you are intellectually incapable of seeing the inconsistencies of such positions. And that is why the world despises the USA and UK, and that is why eventually the White House and Buckingham will be smoldering rubble.
Come on, we expect more from you than this feeble round of insults - more bile, more hatred -you are becoming too mellow.
On a technical point, who is going to reduce the White House and the county of Buckingham to a smoking rubble.
If you mean Buckingham Palace, the Monarch has 3 more Royal residences at her disposal.
The White House actually was reduced to a smoking rubble in the war of 1812 in retaliation for the USA burning down Toronto (York). It is highly unlikely that we would do such a thing again.
The World despises the USA and the UK but LOVES Argentina.
A touch of hyperbole perchance ? But again, what would you know, being stuck in the arse - end of nowhere.
true statement is true.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0pretty much proves what everyone has been saying for a long time now: the “solidarity” of the south Americas is nothing but a facade over a catalogue of long-standing hatreds & mistrusts that have never gone away.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody in SA likes to hate Argentina because their governments act like spoiled arrogant children.
Again a sad and sorry day for Argentines, reminded of how incompetent and distrusted their government is, even by their immediate neighbours.
time to kick Peronism into touch folks - its the only way you will ever truly move forward.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aim for those clouds!
Pepe calling Cristina old shows there is no solidarity between the SA nations...
Only thing that will come out of this is that Pepe will hitch-hike with Dilma, and the Pluna cooperative is probably being signed as we speak :)
@13 Devolverislas
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the fall out you re worng. Yes “vieja” can be a term of endearment but that is lkess likely when you follow it up by saying that the old woman is stubborn and has no idea what she is doing and especially when you take the piss out of a present she gave to the Pope.
@29 John Troll the 3rd: The post was not meant to set anyone up. And I am grateful that Devolverislas gave an opinion on it.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Many Argentineans have highlighted that that the UN would require Argentina and the UK to act in the Islanders' interests but not necessarily their wishes...I think that this sounds pretty patronising, but if Argentineans think it can be done then they are going to have to articulate that to the UN.
I think it is pretty obvious that Timmerman currently does not have the interests of the Islanders on his agenda at all, therefore rather than being a trap for Argentineans that are passionate about the Falklands becoming part of Argentina, talking about the interests of Falkland Islanders (if anything) aids Argentina by either through coming to realise the idiocy of their standpoint, or helping to create a more coherent argument for the case. After all, we have already seen the evolution of Argentinian arguments as Argentinean ‘history’ on the matter gets picked apart.
I know that you seem to veer more towards Argentina devolving into some sort of Stone Age country than any sort of evolution, but to most people evolution is a good thing and debate can only aid this.
I know that Devolverislas was given a rough time after his answer, but it should be taken as constructive and I would request again should for any other opinions of Argentinians as to how they think the Argentinian government should put forward a case that it is in the interests of Falkland Islanders to become part of a greater Argentina.
You never know, next time Timmerman gets the chance maybe he might actually meet with the British Foreign Secretary and FIG representatives (instead of wetting himself and then running off), if the Argentineans on here can come up with something attractive for him to say.
22.As I have said, this board is pretty obscure. I wonder how we can get so many delusional Rg here. What attracts them?
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Granted not many Rg have traveled outside of Arg or neighboring countries, if they are lucky, but there is the internet if they want to see what is happening in the 1st world.
To try to compare Arg to UK is simply astonishing. London caters to Multi-BILLIONAIRES and royalty, it is where they go to retire or have another home. Argentina is the destination of Bolivians and Paraguayans.
It is really as simple as that.
There is not one aspect where Argentina is ”better' than the USA, UK or EU, not one.
Nobody that had the opportunity would choose to live in Argentina if they could live somewhere else. Nobody.
yankeeboy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you live in the USA. That fact only makes Argentina better than even Canada, for reasons of proximity...
As a big admirer of Pepe I must say I'm a bit dissapointed here, especially so soon after Cristina gave him a free lift to the Chavez funeral on Tango 1, surely the act of a friend and of a friendly country. Btw I agree Cristina is more stubborn, less of a politicain, than Nestor - but I like that about her =) To call her the old lady is surely the cruelest cut, and so innacurate! And aint that a little bit of an insult from a guy like Pepe - as if he's a spring chicken. But, you know, these things happen, and its not going to stop them both building the alternative to failed austerity in their respective countries; comrades don't actually always have to love each other =) For evidence, lookat what Uruguy's been saying about the Falklans referendum =)
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0BK
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Pepe will be taking the Fusca to Rio next time... or the Presidential taxi. They say it's cheaper after 19.00 :)
From Uruguay with love
BK, Which do you think has more value, Public or Private statements by politicians?
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just imagine what the rest of the word is saying when the mics are off about the crazy bag lady from BA
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its not what they say when they know the microphones are on that counts most, its what they say when they think the microphones are off. That shows what they TRULY think/feel.
And btw, the nonofficial USA position is to back up UK on the Falklands. USA only officially says that they're neutral when the microphones are on, so that we can get Shell's foot in the door on their shale reserves. We've signed the documents and all for the shale reserves, but we probly won't actually start exploiting them until Argentina's defaulted again and Cristina's gone.
SA call you for what you are, mics on OR off :)
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0#54
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0To call her the old lady is surely the cruelest cut, and so innacurate!
What do you call a 60 year old ? Hardly a Spring chicken !
Stevie, you say SA when you mean ALBA. The USA and UK have fantastic relations with everyone EXCEPT ALBA nations of which Argentina is one.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder how big our base in Paraguay is by now?
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Franco is a CIA puppet, we all know that.
And if you call US and UK relations with SA for fantastic then your requirements must be at the lower end of the scale. Except of Colombia, Paraguay and Chile, the rest of SA bears with you lot out of need. And even in those 3 countries, the support you have does not come from the people :)
You also have a base in Cuba :)
Stevie is mad and butthurt over reality
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wuts new
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all, reality fits me just fine. You can't spread your lies here, and no matter how much we disagree with our neighbours or how much you lot try to divide us, we know deep in our hearts who is who. That is reality for you :)
61. You have no idea what you are talking about. It is sad since you claim to be from SA.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me who did Uruguay call for help when they thought Arg military was going to cross the border over the Pulp mill?
Peru, Paraguay, Colombia, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay all have very good relations with us..hmm who did I leave out? Oh yeah the ALBA nations. Except I hear Venezuela started groveling at US State again..
yankeeboy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tabarez called Bush indeed. Now you answer me, what was the reaction of the Uruguayan people?
SA relation with the US/UK:
Peru - cordial
Colombia - US base
Chile - cordial
Brazil - cordial
Uruguay - cordial
Paraguay - US base
Argentina - cordial
ALBA nations - what you deserve
Stevei, We don't have a cordial relations with Argentina. They have been banned from all but the most necessary State appts since you boarded our military jet.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you missed the USA voting against Argentina at WB/IDB/IMF..where do you think that is coming from?
Chile..cordial? Are you f'ing insane?
I predict Uruguay will leave MercoSur and sign FTA with USA soon. They're already negotiating it...quietly
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0you always predict a lot. We are lucky your little crystal ball is defect, otherwise we would be in a proper mess.
You might have good relations with some SA governments, but with the people, you haven't. So come, leave your dollars and leave, just like the rest of you :)
And you DO have an idea of what I'm talking about ;)
Argentina is in a proper mess of course living on the other side of the Atlantic you probably wouldn't know that.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever taken a logic or debate class?
Aren't the democratically elected gov'ts representative of the people? Alba excepted of course.
BTW I left out Peru's FTA should be active soon too
Another prediction for you as soon as one of two things happen, Arg leaves ICSID or there is hyperinflation GM and Ford will leave Argentina.
68
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“GM and Ford will leave Argentina.”
You believe they are THAT lucky?
66 yankeeboy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie started off just like Guzz but with an even greater superiority complex stating he was a “citizen of the planet” but now he claims he is Uruguayo.
He has already started losing (not loosers!) his temper and is abusing people the second they claim he is wrong, just as Guzz did toward the end.
Pitiful really.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's wrong Chris? Don't like your own medicine?
Here, have some more :)
70. Yeah the similarities are uncanny. What a wacko.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 069. I have no idea what you are saying. Try again.
@Stevie it seems Chile like us British
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile supports Malvinas claim but underlines ‘special relation’ with the UK
“Chile’s support to Argentina’s claim over the Malvinas Islands is a state policy for our country” said Chilean Executive secretary Andres Chadwick, but it does not mean any impediment to that “very special relation we have with the UK”.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes Andy, that's us South Americans when we like you the most :)
We are talking about the good Chileans not you ignorant Argentines,i am yet to see a similar statement said about Argentina
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I pointed out earlier you keep using South Americans when you mean Alba nations.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want people to understand you, you need to use terms properly.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try “Chile’s support to Argentina’s claim over the Malvinas Islands is a state policy for our country”.
A lot of “special relation” in that sentence... :)
@stevie, most of South America dislike Argentines they see you as Arogant and trying to be something your not but look even more sweet words from the lips of Chile
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile and Britain’s friendship has “deep historical roots”, says President Piñera
Chile and Britain’s friendship has deep historical roots and is projected into the future, said Chilean president Sebastian Piñera in London who on Monday is scheduled to meet PM David Cameron and later a trip to Buckingham palace for an audience with the Queen.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We say a lot about eachother, just as Europeans do. But when it comes to it, we are all South Americans, and we have the advantage of sharing history, language and suffering. In Uruguay everybody wants Pepe to go and apologize. Pepe speaks like that, he always have. But we all know the importance of Argentina for the security of our continent. And history has shown us that USA and Europe, together with our oligarchy, have been the biggest threat to our peace. Now we are dealing with the oligarchy, in some places more successful than others, and if you want to show you aren't the same you used to be, do things differently. Or just accept that all of South America always will back Argentina. No matter how many times we call then porteños, boludos, agrandados, viejos, tuertos, you name it. They call us a lot of things, a fact that doesn't change the affection I have to a brother nation.
sharing history, language and suffering
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know that Brazil speaks Portuguese?
Isn't that the largest country in South America?
Have you ever been to South America?
Seem less and less likely with every post you make.
They speak Portuguese in Brazil? Really?
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Stevie Argentina only wants SHARED HISTORY when bleating about something they can never have THE FALKLAND ISLANDS they like to involved all South America but it will never work they simply pay you lip service then we get to hear what other leaders really think of your dear lady Kirchner when microphones are left live,Can youi not see for one minute how Kirchner as made herself the laughing stock of the world? What leader would mouth out after kissing the new ITALIAN Pope “ I've never kissed a Pope before” she is a national shame on Argentina
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol, just a couple hours ago these failure Argie trolls were trying to tell us that Mujica only called her an old lady, in a loving way
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now they admit he called her an old hag, but they come up with new bullshit
what's the new bullshit of the hour, spewing out of the shitholes you call mouths, Argies?
Andy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Atheism is on the rise, the most exiting about kissing the Pope vould only be that one has never done that before. When that is off the checklist, there is no more to it. What else could she say?
81. SO your sweeping statement about ALL SA THIS ALL SA THAT is a bit false
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wouldn't you say?
I've been pointing it out all morning but
you don't seem to be catching on
a bit thick huh?
@stevie Well if it would of been our Dear Queen Elizabeth or our beautiful catherine Dutchess of Cambridge they would have just smiled and said nothing,you see its all about class you are either born with it but you can not buy it no matter how much money you steal from your country Kirchner certainlt does not have class
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol, just a couple hours ago these failure Argie trolls were trying to tell us that Mujica only called her an old lady, in a loving way
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now they admit he called her an old hag, but they come up with new bullshit
what's the new bullshit of the hour, spewing out of the shitholes you call mouths, Argies?
yanqui
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there are exceptions in language, as there is in history and suffering. Sorry I didn't clarify that for you. Those voices must make it hard to even imagine such a scenario.
86
Great, keep your class. We are simple people, our “classy ones” (we call them the oligarchy) cries even louder than you. It's ok, we don't want it. That class comes with a price we aren't prepared to pay.
Lets just say there's not enough Iraqs...
lol, just a couple hours ago these failure Argie trolls were trying to tell us that Mujica only called her an old lady, in a loving way
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now they admit he called her an old hag, but they come up with new bullshit
what's the new bullshit of the hour, spewing out of the shitholes you call mouths, Argies?
there are exceptions in language
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh are there?
Thanks for letting me know
So Brazil is just a slight exception you neglected?
The largest population and GDP
The big boy of SA
The BRIC country
You are a fool
stupid stupid fool
keep posting though I am twisting myself silly laughing
idiot
@Stevie But look at your dear lady Cristina and her evil sister Alicia Castro they both try very hard to be something there not, dirty dyed hair big botox lips a false ass i mean they really do look a mess they look like something dragged from the slums of B.A cheap and tacky=no class
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yanqui
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask Brazil what they say :)
In Portuguese they will answer, we back Argentina, no matter if its the Islands, trade, Mercosur, Unasur, CELAC, you name it. Sure they have their differences. But no more than the European nations. Not even close :)
Yes, it's a BRIC country. The B in BRIC, that is one reason your backside hurts. Try football instead, you'll find yourself a lot more successful :)
lol, Stevie clearly can't afford to travel. I have been to Brazil, and the people don't support Argentina, its like a 40/60 in support of their usual noise (malvinas and unity and such).........and like 0/100 in favor of their trade policy of constantly making problems for imports from Brazil/Uruguay/Paraguay.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you have less than half of Brazil's support on Malvinas, and no support on the rest of your bullshit noise flailing about
Stevie, You may think your responses are clever but I seriously have no idea what you are trying to say.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you need to try another translation web site.
@Stevie My friend they all pay Argentina LIP SERVICE seriously they could not give a rats ass about Argentina and its fairy tales about The falkland Islands,Crissy would do better getting you all a better standard of living
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was in aUSA bar with a Rg friend and we met a Brazilian, the Rgs said we have to all be brothers outside of SA and the Brazilian said No we don't and walked away.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was the financing of Operation Condor brotherly?
Thank goodness the USA stopped Brazil from leveling BA in WW2!
Yes you can thank us.
Ha ha, we know exactly where Stevie is from! And, where he is getting his script. Pathetic troll... Piece of shit
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know, I used to be on Argentina's side of this whole mess, years ago, when I first moved to Uruguay. But then as time went by, I watched how Cristina treated Uruguay, and my opinion of them lowered a lot....but I was still on their side of the Falklands/Malvinas dispute. Then I traveled their country, tip to tip, and saw how full of hate they are, how they blame everyone else for their problems, and how utterly fucked their economy and government is.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So then I thought they don't deserve to manage those islands. It'd just be more wasted land and people, added to the continual decline that is Argentina.
Even then, I thought not all Argentines are garbage, you can't judge a whole country just by traveling it or 3 months tip to tip and talking to so many of them all over the country. But if you talk to any of them long enough, they'll ALL eventually bring the conversation around to how USA/UK is to blame for all their problems, and the Malvinas, and how Argentina is actually a good place to invest(absolute nonsense to anyone who isn't totally braindead/washed).
And even when I meet them abroad, outside their own country, even those Argies are arrogant and annoying, and blame everyone else. I absolutely can't fucking stand them as an entire race anymore. The whole fuckin lot are human GARBAGE! It's incredible to me, that an ENTIRE country can be garbage, I've never seen that anywhere else in the world, and I've traveled a LOT. Congradulations Argentina, you've achieved 100 percent garbage status!
andy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile might be paying Argentina lip service about the falklands. The reason for that is that Chile is dependent on Argentina. Just as Argentina is dependent on Chile.
Chile also pays lip service to the UK in the same breath, being dependent on their trade.
The oligarchy are your friends, just as always. In Chile, in Argentina, in Uruguay.
And they are not friends of the people.
yanqui
Spread your lies, we all know what happened back then.
Is that those voices again?
We are dealing with our oligarchy, just as USA is paying the price for what they did.
From house with a backyard to an apartment with a view far east...
You know, I used to be on Argentina's side of this whole mess, years ago, when I first moved to Uruguay. But then as time went by, I watched how Cristina treated Uruguay, and my opinion of them lowered a lot....but I was still on their side of the Falklands/Malvinas dispute. Then I traveled their country, tip to tip, and saw how full of hate they are, how they blame everyone else for their problems, and how utterly fucked their economy and government is.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So then I thought they don't deserve to manage those islands. It'd just be more wasted land and people, added to the continual decline that is Argentina.
Even then, I thought not all Argentines are garbage, you can't judge a whole country just by traveling it or 3 months tip to tip and talking to so many of them all over the country. But if you talk to any of them long enough, they'll ALL eventually bring the conversation around to how USA/UK is to blame for all their problems, and the Malvinas, and how Argentina is actually a good place to invest(absolute nonsense to anyone who isn't totally braindead/washed).
And even when I meet them abroad, outside their own country, even those Argies are arrogant and annoying, and blame everyone else. I absolutely can't fucking stand them as an entire race anymore. The whole fuckin lot are human GARBAGE! It's incredible to me, that an ENTIRE country can be garbage, I've never seen that anywhere else in the world, and I've traveled a LOT. Congradulations Argentina, you've achieved 100 percent garbage status!
96 yankeeboy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was Reagan who pleaded with Lady Thatcher ”not to completely humiliate Argentina” in the 1982 war.
She was livid but went along with him: big mistake, we should have levelled the place and given the survivors a new start.
#59 “What do you call a 60 year old ?”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Depends which one. Maggie Thatcher at 60, old hag, wicked witch etc. Cristinita today, lovely senorita =)
#82 “What leader would mouth out after kissing the new ITALIAN Pope “ I've never kissed a Pope before””
A cool one with a sense of humour and timing =) A male leader could say it too!
#98 I might believe you're the man of the world you say you are when you show that anyone sympathetic to Cristina, rather than just Rupert Murdoch's Sky, “admitted” Pepe called her a hag, as you keep trolling and spamming about. Your travel stories, and tale of conversion to the British side, are probably just as accurate...
@102BK
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Depends which one. Maggie Thatcher at 60, old hag, wicked witch etc. Cristinita today, lovely senorita =)”
BK,
Laughing at your slavish devotion to CFK, and your vacuous posts which defy any purpose, except to show you up.
:-D
@91 andy65
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“dirty dyed hair big botox lips a false ass”
What do you mean, a “false ass”!
They can do that?
I've never seen a pic of CFK with a “false ass”, do you have photos?
@103
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There once was an argentinian hag,
who did naught but buy luxury bags,
one day the rains came,
the bags floated away,
and her fat son had another kebab.
@102 Your favourite catholic and politician St Tony of Blair was best buddies with Rupes'o and was even the anti-christ parent to his children, after having had a secret friendship with Rupes'o for years.
It hardly makes sense that you've now turned on Rupes, given your new labour (fascism+corporatism) political views.
Just another of the numerous cases, where politicians express their true opinions off mic, only to be embarringly caught out, again! It will happen again.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 104 bushpilot - Timerman
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#100 You were in Rgland for months, I was there a few times for shorter periods. I couldn't believe that this shabby second rate country wanted to take over our Islands. Apart from the business districts of large towns it was a shambles. In many places it resembled the worst aspects of Delhi, Egypt and parts of Turkey back in the 60s. What surprised me most was the shanty villa miserias, the rubbish on the streets, the grilles and razor wire to keep out villans. Several times hotels set out to swindle us, you have to keep on your toes and suddenly you realise its a national sport. And as you say, the people seem ok on the surface, but then start on about the sepoys sabotaging the country. As anyone from Europe knows there is very little interest in Argentina, its a non eninity
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#102
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristinita today, lovely senorita =)
No accounting for taste !
However, I understood that the title Senorita referred to an unmarried female and equated to Miss.
Surely then she should be called Senora as she still takes her husbands's name.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/AS1HIThPcz8
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The resemblance is uncanny.
@111
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! That was brilliant, I haven't seen that film in ages!
Quoting Merco-Sur...“ Mujica has done his utmost to get alone with Cristina Fernandez to the extreme he has been accused of submissive ”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all know he has a bad taste in clothing but to try to get ALONE with mrs. bottox is really far too much.
“I began with a preliminary survey of 20th Century Argentine history school-texts that showed that, independently of the type of regime or government in power, one message that is permanently present in Argentine education is that the country has been deprived of huge continental territories during the 19th Century by the cunning of expansionist neighbors and/or by the secessions of ungrateful brethren. In the Argentine texts, the loss of the Falkland Islands is added to the loss of great territories allegedly forfeited to Chile and Brazil, and to the loss of Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay in their entirety: these countries supposedly should have been ”inherited” by Argentina from Spain. In contrast, the historical atlases that are published in Western Europe and North America unanimously award mid-19th Century Argentina a territory that is scarcely more than half its present-day area (see, for example, the historical atlases published by Hammond, Penguin and Anchor). In other words, while the Argentine textbooks reflect a self-perception as a country that suffered severe territorial amputations during the 19th Century, victimized by neighbors and secessionists, the vast majority of the material published on the subject outside Argentina depicts the country as successfully expansionist during that very same century. ”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
So if they ever get the Falklands they'll then move on to the rest of S. America until the whole continent is theirs. Crikey.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But trolls everyone loves and respects Argentina don't they jajajaja, behind the polite nods of support from other country's the true colours are shining thru....
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina gaining sovereignty over the Falklands, I stand a better chance of winning the Euro Lottery!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again!
Just joking!
@99 Stevie,
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Chile also pays lip service to the UK in the same breath, being dependent on their trade.”
It is staggering the amount of nonsense you talk in a day. It is almost impressive.
Chile has very, very little trade with the UK. They don't import much from us and we don't import much from them.
Condorito
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to someone else, the UK is the 4th largest investor in Chile.
http://www.ukti.gov.uk/export/countries/americas/southamerica/chile.html
So, lip service indeed :)
The interesting thing about this was the reaction of ppl from Argentina, I think. In some forums, most of them took it as a disrespect to her person in particular not the nation in general. So those who support her feel bad for her, and those who oppose her feel Mujica spoke for them all. I fear this will just stale Argentine-Uruguay relations for a long while.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why aren't La Campora knocking hid door down in an attempt to redeem the pride of their dead deity and his old-bag of a wife?
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0#105 ”@102 Your favourite catholic and politician St Tony of Blair was best buddies with Rupes'o and was even the anti-christ parent to his children, after having had a secret friendship with Rupes'o for years.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0It hardly makes sense that you've now turned on Rupes, given your new labour (fascism+corporatism) political views.”
But Tony Blair is my least favorite politician and perhaps even my least favorite Catholic! I hate the Thatcherite pro-war authoritarianism of New Labour, as a real socialist. I think I've said on here before that the British government should learn from the Kirchners' position on the junta, and jail Blair for his war of agression in Iraq based on lies
@88 Of course you're “simple” people. Simple-minded. Also childish (it must be mine because I wants it, precious), cowardly (look, the argie fleet runs for home), hubristic (in argieland “we are wealthy” in reality means ”we are broke), mendacious (we only want dialogue and then you give us the Islands) and (argieland is the finest country in the world, but “I” don't live there). Also deluded (as in “Think”).
Apr 06th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@119 Can you not read? Condorito said “trade”. Amazingly, there is a difference between “trade” and “investment”. And so “the UK is the 4th largest investor in Chile”. And if the total foreign investment in Chile is £100? As it happens, in 2012, UK exports to Chile were only £648 million. On the other hand, in 2011, UK exports to argieland were only £414 million and looked to fall by 2% in 2012 due to import “difficulties”. But then, overall argie imports dropped by 6% and the largest trade “partners” saw drops of more than 10%.
@122 Very poor. I see you favour the American method of spelling “favorite” and what seems to be the French method of spelling “agression”. Canada, by any chance?
Beyond president mujica's lexic, in some way what he said about c. f. k. is not false, due to cristina is very hard or stubborn.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, i understand that for all those people who hate argentina, this news about mujica's expressions must be wonderful, but beyond their mental mediocrity and resentment, there is something which must be discussed.
I have always thought that c. f. k. is a very hard woman, in fact, since she took office in 2007, she has been tolerating the different intents of financial coup d'etats, and has never change her posture in order to benefit the richest sectors of the society, that's why the financial sistem, the most powerful mediatic corporations, and the rich people have 100 reasons to hate her the way they do. However she doesn't give a shit about them, and continues making all she can in order to build a country with more social equality.
Despite the contradictions of her government, and some negative aspects, like the denounces of corruption cases, or the mistakes that her administration commited, she made a lot to improve the precarious social situations of millions of compatriots, beside she could get more autonomy for the nation, in fact, we aren't nobody's backyard anymore, that's why what always will be remembered of her government, is her legacy.
If she weren't so hard, she would never get absolutly anything on behalf of the popular majorities of the nation, and she just would have been one more corporative president like many others, who never do anything which can touch the interests of the richest sectors of the society.
#124 Brilliantly said, she really is the people's iron lady =)
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@124 And there endeth yestedday's blind lickspittle propaganda event. Tell us, axel, do you think it's a good idea to start off by insulting people that you want to persuade/convince? Have you considered that you are, demonstrably, among the least intelligent people in argieland? Or that there are people, demonstrably more intelligent and educated than you?
Apr 07th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we know that CFK hasn't changed her posture. Isn't that why her “personal wealth” has increased by more than 2,700% since she got her hands on the keys to the piggy bank? And I'm sure that you were critical of Tinman when he proposed to have his daughter's million dollar wedding whingding in Uruguay. Where did that money come from? And all those members of the government with all their “savings” in dollars. Don't you think it would be good if she did something about the economy so that wage increase negotiations don't automatically start at 25%. Or repaid your country's debts properly, instead of continuing to defraud all the private citizens in Spain, Italy, Germany, Japan and the U.S. and other countries, who had invested their savings and retirement pensions in debt bonds. Or do you think all those people owe argies a living? She's certainly has managed to improve matters for a certain popular sector. Herself and her family. On a subject dear to MY heart, have you ever thought about how much she and the rest of her gang have spent running around the world trying to lay their thieving hands on the Falkland Islands? Millions, I'll bet. And not worthless pesos either, but real money!
124. With inflation running over 30% year and probably closer to 40%, by next year there will be just about the same % of poor as there was in 2001. There is about 30% of the population living on U$2/day. By next year it will be closer to 50% as unemployment skyrockets and hyperinflation begins.
Apr 07th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Axel, in a decade the Ks have stolen, Anses, Bcra, Ypf etc etc etc taken all the U$ spread it around the country for a little while and everyone is just about back where they were 10 years ago but now there are no more U$ savings.
You are a brainwashed blockhead and the reason your country gets poorer and dumber every generation.
BRITISH KIRCHNERIST. CONQUEROR. YANKEEBOY.
Apr 07th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CONQUEROR and YANKEE: I'm really surprised that despite you have called idiot in planty of oportunities, however, you have always taken your time in order to answer all my comments.
As you can see, i don't answer your comments all the time, because since a couple of months ago i have decided not to continue wasting my time with people who just insult, or who make miserable comparisons like you often do, but i sometimes think it's necesary to give you an answer.
The day you leave your hypocrisy behind, you'll recognize openly that if you are so critic of c. f. k's government, it isn't because of the corruption cases that involve her government, or for what you call populism. In fact, your countries have stolen recources around for the world in periferic nations for the last 300 years, so, you are not much better than us.
Doesn't yankee remember all the coup d'etats that his so loved u. s. a. have supported in different moments around the world?, doesn't he remember all the dictatorian governments that u. s. a. protected?, doesn't he remember all the civil populations that u. s. a. invaded around the world?.
Doesn't conqueror remember all the territories that his u. k. invaded arond the world in different moments too, in order to steal their recources?, we all do boys. So, beyond your fragil memories and hypocriy, if you lock at your past and at your present, you'll realize that you are not much better than us, if we talk about corruption.
I have always discussed about the denounces of corruption cases that involve c. f. k's government, because i don't tell just what is convenient for me, but according to my ideologies, despite the controversies of her government, there are many achievements that we could get.
What you can't tolerate is that we aren't your backyard anymore, like we used to be for many years, that's the main reason of your hysterical hate for c. f. k.
B-K: Thank you.
Again, a whole lot of words that say absolutely nothing.
Apr 07th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you think about my post and respond to it instead of typing 100s of words, that you obviously have a hard time writing, that has nothing to do with the topic on hand.
Do you not see thatthe Ks have STOLEN U$100's Billions of your countries savings and squandered it, to be no better off than they were 10 years ago arguably much worse off.
I am astounded you are utterly incapable of seeing it.
yanqui
Apr 07th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The guy obviously isn't interested in buying your mirrors.
@129 One thing you should know about Peronists is that they think that all countries and all cultures around the world are equally corrupt. I remembered a really educated Peronist saying that both American and Argentinian politicians stole the same percentage of money, but that the American government is so rich that their wealth trickles-down to the middle-classes, simply because they have so much money that even after the gov't steals everything there's lot of money left for everyone. Peronists (and hence most Argentinians) believe that the only difference between first-world and third-world countries is that the former have strong armies and steal resources from the latter, either by invasion or through free-trade treaties.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is the president of Argentina. Her job is stand over the plate and bat for Argentina. Mujica is basically saying that she is good at her job.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0130. Must be a bad translation again, buying my mirrors? That makes no sense.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you learn English?
I am twisting myself laughing
yanqui
Apr 08th, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very simple, you are selling mirrors and nobody is interested in buying them.
Is that really all you got? Profecies and spell-checking as main arguments ?
Selling mirrors? Huh?
Apr 08th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still don't get what you are trying to say. It makes no sense in English.
135
Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you worry about it.
You're having serious language problems today.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you miss lunch?
Maybe your blood sugar is low.
YANKEEBOY.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always answered you about what you say in your comment 127, however if my answers don't coincid with your ideological posture, it's not problem.
It's evident that we won't never agree on economic ideas, because our ideologies are very different luckilly, i respect your though, which is pro financial sistem, but i have never agreeded on it.
On the other hand, i have told you, and all the rest of the ignorants who often tell us what our government should do in order to improve argentina's situation, that you have no more than the usuall distorted or too partial information about our country, which is something tipicall of imperalist nations. You and many others have always criticised hardly, the different statal interventions of our government in the economy, however none of you know deeply about the structural problems that arg. still has. I have told you and many others about those problems in planty of oportunities, and i have explained also the reasons why it was necesary to recover some the enterprices that had been sold during menem's presidence, beside, i have told you about the lack of necesary inverstments by private administrations which exploted the companies sold during the decaded of the 90's.
It's obvious that you will always consider those statal interventions like robberies etc etc, it shows not just your mediocre though, but your lack of serious information.
Axel, Over and over again you bring up the brainwashed fallacies your beloved Ks like to whine on and on about like they are the truth.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know see that the companies, no matter what industry, Water, Gas, Oil, Telephone, Electric etc etc etc have been strangled through regulation and price controls over the last decade and have had no money to invest because they can't raise prices but salaries etc have been going up 20-30% yoy.
Do you not see why this can continue?
Why the lights keep going out in BA every couple of days?
Is this lost on you?
It is flabbergasting and tiring.
YANKEE.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the big ideological difference between you and me. If the state didn't regulate those enterprices, it would be imposible to improve the precarious social situations of millions of our compatriots.
Your explanation about the reasons why the enterprices didn't make enough inverstments is not just obvious, but pathetic too.
In the case of repsol, at the same time that it didn't make the necesary inverstments, it sent big remitances to spain, and oil and gas productions declined every year.
In the case of aerolineas, it was decimated twice by private administrations, both left the company in a deplorable state.
At the same time that you defend the profitabilities of the enterprices, you omit that they received millions of subsides by the sate, like in the case of electric companies.
Accep it or not, the corporations must be strongly regulated by the state, because they don't give a shit about the development of the country, they just care about their profitablilities.
Anyway, after the different nationalizations, the services improved so much
In the case of aerolineas, despite it's deficit, it could recover many destinies that it had lost during the years of private administrations, it renewed all it's planes, it has a strategic alliance with sky team since last year, and it's main function since it's nationalizaton is not it's profitablity, it's actually to keep united such a big country like argentina, because it travells to provinces which aren't considered like profitable by private companies.
In the case of the pension sistem, it increased it's found from 80000 millions in 2008 to 230000 in 2012, and it funds many productive projects along the country. Beside, it's nationalization assures the two rases every six months for retired people.
In the case of aguas argentinas, it started to provide of water service to millions of compatriots, and continues making big infrustructure works in the province. There is a lot more to say about this question.
Acel, then please explain to me why most of those same industries you mention that are private in other countries, give great service at a low cost in 1st world countries but fail in Argentina? There are many many many examples where they work well OUTSIDE of Argentina but NOT INSIDE of Argentina.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is the difference?
BTW all the money dumped into Aerolinas Argentina could have bought you American Airlines yet you are stuck with the oldest fleet in the industry. Do you think anyone is going to finance a new jet for the gov't? what happens when they start dropping out of the sky because they are sold old and not being maintained? You are very close to losing landing rights in the USA because of poor maintenance. What happens then?
YANKEE.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The airplanes bought by aerolineas in order to renew it's fleet, were bought to embraer (brazilian enterprice), beside it has the most modern fleet from south america. On the other hand, it was obvious that you were going to see just what is convenient for you, like you often do with all your comments.
I don't deny the big problems that aerolineas still has, but at the same time, i won't deny either the fact that it could improuve in many aspects.
In reference to the enterprices which according to what you say, they work better in 1st world countries, and not in argentina, maybe it's due to they want to charge for the services with impouts characteristic of 1st world countries, in a country like argentina which is not a 1st world nation in absolut.
Beside, i already explained you why it was necesary to nationalize those services, if my answer doens't coincid with your ideologies, sorry, but i don't care about persuading neather you nor anybody else, what i want to do in this forum, is to tell what is omitted in some articles that refer to argentina's situation, however wether you or anybody else agree or not on what i say, is irrelevant for me.
Embraer doesn't make jets for long haul flights. So I guess Aerolinas will become a regional airline sucking up all the people's money to keep up appearances.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like a great plan.
I wish you success in your endeavours
I think you'll get exactly what you deserve.
BTW nice little article today saying 12Mm WORKING poor live on less than U$360/mo. It looks like everything is going exactly like I said it would.
Just wait until you run out of gas this winter.
That'll be fun
brr
YANKEE.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read the report made by u. c. a. about poverty in argentina, it was published here, and said what i think about it.
As i said before, i don't have the necesary academic knowledge in order to affirm wether indec or u. c. a. or any other poll tell the truth or not in reference to their statistics, actually most people who criticise indec don't have the academic knowledge either, however they assure that indec lies.
Anyway there are other ways to know wether the social situation in the country is improuving or gettting worse. What was omited in the article published last week made by u. c. .a., is that in 2003 the percentage of poor people was 53%, so allthough the 26% of poor people were true, the social situation in the country improuved so much.
Beside, it's necesary to signalize that u. c. a's statistics and torcuato di tella's are always higuer than all the rest of the statistics.
On the other hand, there are other statal statistics published by different provinces, which are independent from indec, and assure that poverty in the country is 22%.
Anyway, beyond all the controversies about statistics, when i knew that the 80% of the pupils who study at our public universities, are the first generation in their families who have the chance of studing at the university, it means that the social situation in the country improuved a lot, despite all the structural problems that argentina still has.
I heard on tv the testimonies of different profesors who teach at the universities of the interior from buenos aires, they all say exactly the same.
So, statistics aren't the only way to know wether the country is improuving or getting worse.
Axel, No matter what stats you are reading they are all saying Poverty is growing due to inflation. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 3 years poverty rate will be over 50%. Mark the post. I am usually right.
Then what will you say?
A decade lost and 2 generations of savings gone.
All for a temporary sugar high economy
You get what you deserve
BTW I checked Aerolinas Argentina's fleet and didn't see any new planes, in fact most of them are approaching 20 years old!
http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Aerolineas-Argentinas
I wouldn't fly one but you be my guest.
Just pointing out where you are wrong...again...and with a link.
YANKEE.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must say that in some way you are right when you criticise that i never provide any link, that's why i'll start to provide them in all my comments.
In reference to aerolineas airplanes, maybe the most modern fleet refers to planes used for local flies, but i'll find out it, because i have heard in planty of oportunities that it has the most modern fleet from south america.
Regarding your wishes for a new deep crisis in the country, i recommend you to search in google the following title, which refers to the six runs that c. f. k's government had to tolerate, and the reasons why they didn't provoke any of the terrible social and economic crisis that all the other runs provoked in the past for the country.
The article was published in pagina 12, by economist Alfredo Zaiat.
Porque, cuantos y quienes compraron
Axel, There have been no runs on the currency in the last decade. That is absolute hogwash. If there was a currency run, which is what I guess is what you are trying to imply it would have been reported by Reuters and carried all over the world.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was never mentioned anywhere but Pagina 12.
Get a clue you rotting your brain reading Govt' propaganda and saying it is fact.
YANKEE.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was obvious that you weren't going to read the article.
Maybe you suffer of fragil memory, because the huge capitals flight was published including in mercopress in different moments.
Anyway, if you read the article, you'll see the sources of the information, and which enterprices took their dollars out from the sistem. In other moments, such a big capitals flight would have broken down a government, like the financial coup d'etat of 1989 against raul alfonsin's government, which provoke his out from the presidence 6 months before. However, despite the huge capitals flight among 2007-2011, c. f. k's government is not the same weak situation than alfonsin in 1989, that's why the financial sistem coudn't take cristina out from the presidence or force her government to a deep devaluation, which consequences would benefit the most important corporations of the country, in detriment of most population, and you know it perfectly.
financial coup d'etat
Apr 12th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is some made up term and only exists in Argentina and conspiracy web sites, there is no such thing in the real world.
It is impossible that the capital flight was coordinated to bring down a gov't.
It is as simple as everyone with U$ saw a massive devaluation coming along with another forced U$ to Peso exchange so they got their money out.
It is still happening but with the HUGE slowdown in the economy there isn't much U$ left in the country.
Axel, I have told you for a very long time you don't understand business and economics. Truly I think you are too brainwashed or too stupid to see what is really going on in your country.
The monetary base went up 36% LAST MONTH!! Do you know how dire this is?
Hyperinflation is right around the corner, believe me or not I don't care.
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