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Argentina strongly protests President Mujica remarks about Nestor and Cristina Kirchner
Uruguayan president José Mujica’s controversial statements caught on an open microphone referred to President Cristina Fernandez and her late husband Nestor Kirchner, triggered a strong response from the Argentine government saying that such comments are “unacceptable, denigrating and offend the memory of a dead person”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesJosé Mujica’s statement was spot on, she is worse, much worse...
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0We keep getting told by the trolls that Uruguay and Argentina are bound together in brotherly friendship and respect. Hmm, could someone be telling porkies ?
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0These Argentinian politicians do not understand diplomacy !
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The sensible thing to do would have been ignore it, but no, they wade in and make a mountain out of a molehill - “offend the memory and office of a dead person, unable to reply or defend himself”
Though it does all go to prove that support the other SA counties give in their public statements to CFK is not really what they are thinking !
Hehe, brilliant, she is worse than her cross eyed dead husband and this is from their so called best friend. And there was me thinking South Americans had no sense of humour. Keep the comedy coming :-)
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't laughed so much in ages. This story s great!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Question is, will Mujica take the Fusca to Rio, or do a Che and buy a motorcycle?
Sure la vieja wont take more hitch-hikers :)
And yes, Argentina are still our brothers :)
@5
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, yeh brothers so long as you do as you are told and know your place :-)
He should have just said this on the record when the microphones were on. At least he would have appeared to have had some balls.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Latin-american solidarity at it's best. No one likes an argie.
He could just say 'sorry' with his fingers crossed behind his back....
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0A word once uttered can never be recalled.
bunch of bloody drama queens.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 06
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Our place is here, neighbouring Argentina.
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I can assure you more SA people likes Argentinians than Brits. Difference is abysmal.
@10
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about Argentinian Brits? Is it just the passport that matters?
I don't mind being hated for my personality but being hated for my nationality is simple bigotry / racism or whatever you want to call it.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0But it is ok for you to hate Argentines for being Argentines?
Swallow your own medicine, I'll be shoveling it down your throat.
“”I can assure you more SA people likes Argentinians than Brits. Difference is abysmal.“”“
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think you meant abysmal - that would suggest that you think the difference is inexcusable and wrong.
”The difference is abyssal“ as in ”so very very deep“ or ”as deep as you can go” would work though.
:-)
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0a·bys·mal
[uh-biz-muhl]
adjective
1.
of or like an abyss; immeasurably deep or great.
Learn your own language.
:-)
Can we change the picture its quite shocking, is it 3D?
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0HA HAHAHAHAH , pure comedy gold! She is such a battleaxe she will hold this against them foreever, that dude was seriously cross eyed too, he must have been to marry leather face, ha haha ha
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at the pair of them it's hard to imagine how they created the beautiful child Maximo.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 017
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahaaaaaa!!!!
That is true for every Brit about. Especially the women :)
14. Stevie, That is the wrong use of that word. take the lesson and move on there is really something wrong that you take personal offence when someone is pointing out a minor issue.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 017. Alicia K an Maxi look just like Nestor and that is not a compliment
That googly eye always bothered me and the bag lady is scary scary scary.
yankeeboy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that you aren't as familiar with your own language as one would think you would be by now, doesn't mean that words looses meaning. The world would be a very small place if the only things that existed and was real, were what is up in your head. A very small place indeed :)
Learn your language.
As a big admirer of Pepe I must say I'm a bit dissapointed here, especially so soon after Cristina gave him a free lift to the Chavez funeral on Tango 1, surely the act of a friend and of a friendly country. Btw I agree Cristina is more stubborn, less of a politicain, than Nestor - but I like that about her =) To call her the old lady is surely the cruelest cut, and so innacurate! And aint that a little bit of an insult from a guy like Pepe - as if he's a spring chicken. But, you know, these things happen, and its not going to stop them both building the alternative to failed austerity in their respective countries; comrades don't actually always have to love each other =) For evidence, lookat what Uruguy's been saying about the Falklans referendum =)
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0looses? Stevie, you are wrong, you are obviously not a native speaker but whatever look a fool what do I care.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 022
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0No yankeeboy, I'm no native English speaker. Who should I thank?
23. That is why your logic fails and you don't know how to debate. I would blame your grandparents for moving from Sicily to BA instead of NYC.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Kirchner Called 'Old Hag' By Uruguay President - Uruguay's Jose Mujica sparks a diplomatic protest with unguarded comments about Argentina's leader and her dead husband.'
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.sky.com/story/1074295/kirchner-called-old-hag-by-uruguay-president
Cristina still 'wears the weeds' and 'carries her cross' for Nestor, her long-deceased husband and ex-president.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puts a whole new meaning on that phrase from the Christian hymn:
“.. Gladly, thy cross-eyed bear.”
........................
other children's understandings, just for fun:
* “The pistol of a flower is its only protection against insects.”
* “The alimentary canal is located in the northern part of Indiana.”
* “Equator: A menagerie lion running around the Earth through Africa.”
* “Germinate: To become a naturalized German.”
* “A myth is a female moth.”
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yesterday it was “old lady”
Today it's “old hag”
What's wrong, it's not getting the desired effect?
;)
@27 - I suppose that they are trying to point out that “vieja” (which can be a term of endearment) was actually used as an insult. It is a bad translation though
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27 “Old lady” doesn't really have the same impact as “old hag”. Though it's still an understatement.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Crustina is probably going to re-re-re-inflate her face with silicone and botox after this and give Donatelo Versace a run for her money. Mujica just gained a few points in my book. Hahaha
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0La vieja means the old [female]. In order for it to be an insult, you need certain substantives to follow the statement. Tuerto is worse though, Nestor was, and is, so much more than that.
And regarding the two nations politics in human rights, la Kirchner has more balls than the entire Uruguayan gabinete :)
I agree it wasn't with love, but look for the positives.
There's a great chance the Pluna cooperative will be signed today :)
30. I'm thinking your Spanish is not much better than your English.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 What I was referring to was the fact that one of his aides then said “she doesn't know what she is doing”. The general jist of the converstaion (and the piss-taking ouf of the Pope present) was generally negative and, as such, the use of “vieja” was not supposed to be positive.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope Uruguay gets what it needs and also that the river gets dredged. They deserve the same access as Argetina.
31
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is a blatent lie. Not so much the comment about my Spanish, but the idea that you would be thinking...
32
I don't believe it was meant to be taken as positive. But the man is 75, CFK is 60. I'm sure it was not an insult either. He is like a calcetín, you know. Abre la boca y mete la pata...
It probably will get signed now the uraguay are showing signs of dissent she hasn't many friends left has she? Get a British firm to do it money up front though.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0slatzzz
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0???
What has Pluna cooperative to do with Argentina?
Thing is Pepe has been hitch-hiking with Tango1 as he has no “Milonga1” himself. As for today, he'll be in a hurry to get Uruguay on wings :)
We tried the Brits with the railroads back in early 20th century. Those common thieves robbed us, and we are not about to try again, thank you very much.
@12 Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who said I hate Argentines? Why on earth would I hate anybody that hadn't personally done anything to me? Why would I hate someone because of their nationality? Patriotism is the love of your country while Nationalism is the hatred of someone else's country. I'm no Nationalist.
26 GeoffWard2
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think I used most of those when I was at school!
LOLs
36
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who said I hate Brits?
As I said, here, have some of your own medicine ;)
35. Um Argentina is still using some of the rail cars stolen from the UK!!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW IDB won't release funds for the new rail cars being built in China so I wonder how you're going to pay?
I wonder...
@stevie is this an award winning performance from your dear lady leader the botox queen????
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0fywBbhvxo
@26 GeoffWard2
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puts me in mind of the classic Dolly Parton / Kenny Rogers duet “Ireland's Industry”.
yanqui
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry, but you are not only mentally lost, but also geographically...
Isn't this fun? Pie throwing and personal insults... At least yanqui can keep up :)
Brilliant.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No-one did. You've confused yourself.
You said (10) ”I can assure you more SA people likes Argentinians than Brits. I pointed out (11) that this was “bigotry/racism” so you asked (12) “But it is ok for you to hate Argentines for being Argentines?” to which I replied that I do not hate Argentines per se (36).
I haven't accused you of anything, apart from being confused.
42. also geographically...
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how so?
Haven't you ever seen the trains in Argentina? The travel with the doors open and people hanging on for dear life. Scary and dangerous. How many people do you think will die in 2013 from Rg train travel?
yanqui
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure, but I'm sure the number is less than the ammount of school children killed in US school massacres same year...
46. Actually it is not. I was thinking about our random shootings as compared to Argentina's gov't killing their citizens through incompetence and corruption and although I have not tallied them up yet I am pretty sure Arg is way ahead in that dept.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 050+ last count in La Plata
150+ Trains...not counting the people they run over every year
1000s dead from filthy water and open sewers ( that you call rivers)
Hmm I guess I need to sit down and figure it out
yanqui
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you do :)
The press/media are demented, particularly, it seems in Argentina. They infect the rest of us.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The comment about Mujica having to be eternally grateful because CFK gave him a lift in Tango 1 is ridiculous. Didn't she leave him there when she left BEFORE the funeral? The story is she was ordered home by her doctors who stated she could not stand in the hot sun for 6 hours - and not because her face would melt - she is a lot sicker than the Argentine government is prepared to admit publicly.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redrow
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#7 said
“@5 Latin-american solidarity at it's best. No one likes an argie.”
My response at #10, directed at #7, was
“I can assure you more SA people likes Argentinians than Brits. Difference is abysmal.”
No racism there, just a spoonful of your own medicine.
Maybe you should call #7 a racist or just stop using the term “bigotry” altogether :)
You don't like the taste of your own medicine?
Maybe if you used words correctly people would understand you.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It must be so frustrating!
Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you hate the Brits?
Not at all Troy.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you hate the Argentines?
I'm just feeding you with the same spoon here. Try treating others like you want to be treatedyourself (no, religion has no copyright on morals).
DId you know 90% of the bills in circulation in Argentina are the $100 peso denomination!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good gracious!
Can you imagine!!
gads what a mess
yanqui
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know that 90% of the dollar bills aren't worth the paper they are printed on?
Good gracious!
Can you imagine!!
gads what mess
Maybe if you resaddled as a comedian, you would appreciate people laughing at you.
It must be so frustrating! ;)
Cant see the problem ?
Apr 05th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is Old and he was Crosseyed !
By the way I have been living in Argentina for the last two years and have yet to meet an Argentinian who likes her !
57. Try asking around the HUGE HiGH RISE slums near Retiro. Be careful the Police are afraid to go in there and they have raw sewage running in the streets.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to CFK this is a sign of Argentina's prosperity.
@51 Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still unclear why you think I'm getting a spoonful of my own medicine. I didn't say anything about Argentinians and haven't said anything about you except that you were confused, which you still are.
As for Shed-time's comment (7), it appears IMHO to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the views of other SA countries to Argentina. Saying “no-one likes an Argie” in that context isn't racist or an incitement to hatred. I read it as humorous hyperbole related to the fact that CDK's nearest ally revealed what he truly thinks of her i.e. if that's what her friends think then what must her enemies think?
Bloody hell i knew he had a squint but his eyes are in both watches, (matelots will know what I'm on about)
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 059
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, “no one likes Argies” is being humerous, while “South Americans likes Argentines more than they like Brits” is being racist...
What counts for me, counts for you. Hence the spoonful. I couldn't be more clear.
@61 the actual phrase is 'no one trusts an argie', which would be equally as universally true as 'no one likes argies'. The fact is, argentines don't do anything worth trusting them for. The Chileans know this, the Uruguayans know this, the Falkland Islanders know this, the Paraguayans know this, and that just leaves Brazil, which finds you more than a bit annoying.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latin American chauvenism is racism, because it's based on one race (latino) thinking it's much better, whilst also being poor and uneducated. Argentines are a genetic combination of no indigenous (you killed them all), lazy spanish, corrupt italian, and fascist german, so it's hardly about race.
What is that lazy-eyed guy in the photo looking at? I cannot tell.
@10 Stevie From the examples of the very many Latin American ladies here in the UK who are happily married to British citizens I would say that you are very wrong. Also, as I am one of the husbands, I would also guess that many of “los suegros latinoamericanos” are very happy with their British “yernos”!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol, just a couple hours ago these failure Argie trolls were trying to tell us that Mujica only called her an old lady, in a loving way
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now they admit he called her an old hag, but they come up with new bullshit
what's the new bullshit of the hour, spewing out of the shitholes you call mouths, Argies?
You would think after a few posts of people pointing out that he is not making any sense he would stop and think a bit before he posts.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad I;'m not the only one who thinks he has lost his mind
@58 You are correct. These are the the masses that vote for her, kept impoverished so their mandate can be easily bought !
Apr 05th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the last 100 years this country has gone from being the 5th largest economy in the world to a third world country. All that without any help. Very sad.
I'm sat in Eziza now waiting to leave for the last time. Last one out please turn off the lights...
Gordo1
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, my uncle too. My auntie is British. Exceptional woman. Don't taste that medicine, it is not intended for you.
mastershakejb
Who is admitting that Mujica called her an “old hag”, you say? Please show me that post.
lol, so you're still in denial eh stevie? denial is a dish best served Argentine style
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to think that we are not the only people to see CFK for what she really is. Uruguay first who will be next to tell her to go to hell. That women has done more to destroy her Country and dictate to her neighbours than all the other Argentine ex leaders put together. I would be ashamed to call her my leader because of her childish like ways.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not the best figure for any child to look up to.
#50 “The story is she was ordered home by her doctors who stated she could not stand in the hot sun for 6 hours”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or that she fell out with the family, or that she didn't want to be seen with Ahmadinejad, or because it wasn't really a funeral in the end, or because she wanted back in time for the Falklands vote....and that's just your “stories”, if I remember right!
#64 “now they admit he called her an old hag”
Where? Looks like only Rupert Murdoch's Sky is saying that...
You know, I used to be on Argentina's side of this whole mess, years ago, when I first moved to Uruguay. But then as time went by, I watched how Cristina treated Uruguay, and my opinion of them lowered a lot....but I was still on their side of the Falklands/Malvinas dispute. Then I traveled their country, tip to tip, and saw how full of hate they are, how they blame everyone else for their problems, and how utterly fucked their economy and government is.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So then I thought they don't deserve to manage those islands. It'd just be more wasted land and people, added to the continual decline that is Argentina.
Even then, I thought not all Argentines are garbage, you can't judge a whole country just by traveling it or 3 months tip to tip and talking to so many of them all over the country. But if you talk to any of them long enough, they'll ALL eventually bring the conversation around to how USA/UK is to blame for all their problems, and the Malvinas, and how Argentina is actually a good place to invest(absolute nonsense to anyone who isn't totally braindead/washed).
And even when I meet them abroad, outside their own country, even those Argies are arrogant and annoying, and blame everyone else. I absolutely can't fucking stand them as an entire race anymore. The whole fuckin lot are human GARBAGE! It's incredible to me, that an ENTIRE country can be garbage, I've never seen that anywhere else in the world, and I've traveled a LOT. Congradulations Argentina, you've achieved 100 percent garbage status!
26 GeoffWard2 (#) “.. Gladly, thy cross-eyed bear.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Outstanding !!!! PMSL
This Uruguayan President is an interesting chap with a keen eye and sense of humour, I am rather warming to him !!!
@71 please tell us how you really feel....
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'tip to tip' :)
71
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bla bla bla
Show me where anyone admits to Mujica having called Cristina an “old hag”. You posted that foolishness twice. Only garbage here is what comes out of the combination of technology and the product or your thoughts.
Now that we see the picture a little better, one truly has to feel for Uruguay. They have the British complaining about Argentina being truly sh!t, but the majority of the UK isn't next to Argentina. Chile also must be absolutely beside itself with lack of sympathy for British complaints, given that they also have the Argentines trying to steal things and behave badly.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think he should have gone on the record and called her out for being what she truly is, a ghoulish old hag.
What is the lazy-eyed guy in the photo looking at? his own shoe?
Whoever this 'Stevie' character is, you're wasting bandwidth with all your sorry nonsense, nobody is interested in your weeping, man up and shut up.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0surfer, hijo mío... Else what?
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is interested in your weeping either, it doesn't stop you from posting.
@54Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Not at all Troy.
Do you hate the Argentines?
I'm just feeding you with the same spoon here. Try treating others like you want to be treatedyourself (no, religion has no copyright on morals).“
Stevie
”feeding you with the same spoon”??
Your statements suggested that you DO hate Brits, but as you requested, if I had any questions as to your convictions, I should ask you directly.
That is what I did, rather than make a supposition, I let you state things clearly.
On the other hand, I have on several occasions stated on Mercopress that I do not hate the Argentinian people. At the same time, I also stated that I did not like CFK, her Ministers, her Government, and the paid Trolls who spread anti-Brit and anti-Falkland lies and propaganda.
As to religion, I agree, they have no copyright on morals. However, there are charitable activities that they sponsor, whether you believe this to be tainted by self-interest or not.
You condemned the Church, and everything they do and say, as a package.
You seem to resent the Church greatly (do you?). That seems to be trait of Communists, historically. Is that why you dislike them, or is it just personal opinion?
The Church is irrelevant - it was only mentioned in reference to their estimation of what % of the Argentine population was living in poverty. The Church is likely to know firsthand, because they work with them.
Is it possible that you just wanted to discredit the poverty figures that the Church was presenting???
As a personal observation, you seem very angry about all this.
@61 Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're still confused. Your comment about British women I took to be tongue in cheek. However, your inference that I hated Argentines was not humorous. I can tell the difference.
#72 “This Uruguayan President is an interesting chap with a keen eye and sense of humour, I am rather warming to him !!!”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, similar to Cristina who also has “a keen eye and sense of humour”, no?
@80
Apr 05th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know BK, this photo does not suggest a keen eye...she is starting to look a little like pete burns...
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2013/04/04/argentine-bonds-living-in-a-parallel-universe-call-it-the-cram-up/
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2013/04/04/argentine-bonds-living-in-a-parallel-universe-call-it-the-cram-up/
@80BK
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I agree, similar to Cristina who also has “a keen eye and sense of humour”, no?”
No, BK.
Those old eyes are looking slack and droopy.
Nestor puts me in mind of the old chamaeleon:
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0eyes swivelled independently,
changed colours at a moment's notice,
...
..
Unlike his widow ... 'any colour as long as its black'
(still, it worked for Britain's Queen Victoria).
@83 and Black Widows
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Define communist.
British people are funny. Their arguments here are based primarily on Cristina's looks, as is if that has anything to do with anything. I wouldn't be chest beating on that if I was British, being that Argentinean women are known for being beautiful, and british women, well, for having crooked teeth. I'm not saying that is fact, but it the common perception. The incident of what Mujica said has little relevance, it was caught in the microphone and that's the only reason it became news. Or do you people think that behind closed doors those comments aren't common? Grow up. “Vieja” is not an insult, but then again, what to expect from language impaired brits who only speak their native language? Stupid comments for what they are, the deeply in-love sexual partners Bush and Blair easily beat any Latin American president if stupid comments were a merit. Do you brits ever stop to think why most of the world doesn't like you? Do you realize that in Latin America you are seen as pirates in decline and puppets of the US? Not even the rest of Europe likes you very much. Heck, not even Scotland wants to have anything to do with the UK anymore. You talk about Cristina, but what country still has a troll as a queen? God save the queen huh? Grow up, monarchies are things of the past. Keep on hating Latin America you losers, and good luck with all the angry people around the world that would be happy to set off some more bombs in the UK.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85
Apr 05th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Communist
(noun)
1) An uneducated person who dreams of living under the conditions of endemic poverty and corruption whilst being continuously offered the dream of an unachievable utopia.
2) The authoritarian corrupt leadership of a the society described in (1).
@British_Kirchnerist, You didn't mention the botox queens beautiful lips
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#72
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On a lighter note, a five year old child says she knows God's name. It's Harold Wishart, it's in the Lord's Prayer
Our Father, Wishart in heaven, Harold be thy name.
“Learn your own language.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup I'm fine with it cheers - its still going to leave you with your sentence appearing other than your intent...really wont bother me one jot as I find the attitude abysmal also. ..i was just surprised to see you supporting the Brits and being down on your own countrymen.
I was also only being helpful, so if you want to act the twat that's also fine by me: It is a noticeable function of this site that the people who claim superior intellect always seem to be the biggest twats.
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“”“yanqui
I'm not sure, but I'm sure the number is less than the ammount of school children killed in US school massacres same year...”“”
Ah, another perfect example of the “You have worse things going” as a means to excuse anything and everything from Genocide of Patagonian Indians, to colonialism of the Falklands, through failure to pay the bills .
Lets all be very Argentine and ignore all and any of our own problems by throwing mud at everybody else.
Its a proven working formula for success!
Oh.. it isn't?
funny old thing.
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Crikey somebody resurrected the Gerontophile BK to comment.... I thought he'd be sectioned already?
Its taking Tinkadova an age to spin this.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine substitutes, BK and Stevie are a bit disappointing.
@85stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Applied Communism' as opposed to pure Marxism?
As I said, “historically” a trait of Communism.
Stalin's Soviet Union and Mao's PRC, both found it best to aggressively discourage religion and dismantle other social institutions, to promote allegiance/ reliance on their Communist governments.
But you know that already - and we are digressing from the actual subject.
The Church has reported a high level of poverty in Argentina.
“I can assure you more SA people likes Argentinians than Brits. Difference is abysmal.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0abysmal in general usage will be regarded as meaning - very bad.
in context this makes the sentence ambiguous and can mean either “its a very bad thing that they are different” or “the difference is very bad/deep/large”. (meaning..what?)
both are ambiguous...at best, but common usage will be ”very bad relating to negativity toward the attitude, rather than the difference.
Assuming you actually wanted to higlight the difference in NUMBERS... then a correct usage would be to re-write the entire sentence so that it is unambiguous: (caps)
“Far more SAs hate the British than hate Argentines”.
“The number of SAs who hate the British is far greater than those who hate Argentines”.
Unambiguous meaning you see?
/em shrugs
merely helping you out, feel free to be an arse. ;-0
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“Its taking Tinkadova an age to spin this.
Argentine substitutes, BK and Stevie are a bit disappointing.”
BK is a one-trick pony and Stevie is hackneyed...we need fresh blood, or at least fresh sock-puppets.
Troy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I we are going after your definition of communist, I'm definately not a communist.
The church is responsable for a high percentage of the wars in history, and has had a tendency to support fascist governments. Keep your church and your new found Pope :)
The church will do what it as always done? Whatever it thinks it needs to do to ensure it's survival, church first and always! Damage limitation later.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The church is responsable for a high percentage of the wars in history, and has had a tendency to support fascist governments”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Church tends to support whoever will keep it in place and sustain its economic base... what political leanings those in power have never seem to be particularly relevant to it.
Realism or hypcorisy - take your pick.
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So is she a “old hag” or just “old lady”..?
Whats the “Official” translation from a native speaker?
@93stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm definately not a communist.”
You stated earlier thst you were a member of the Tupamaro “organisation”.
That is an urban Communist group, based in Uruguay, correct?
95
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vieja means old [female], can be used to describe an old hag, an old lady or even a mother. When it is being used in a derogatory manner, usually a substantive follows. I surely don't think Pepe was referring to her as his mother, but the “old hag” is your translation.
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Not correct, they never declared themselves communists.
Matter of fact, the communist party in Uruguay were not part of the MLN-Tupamaros.
Urban guerilla, not communist group.
18 ... Not a problem for you fruity
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Vieja means old [female], can be used to describe an old hag, an old lady or even a mother. When it is being used in a derogatory manner, usually a substantive follows. I surely don't think Pepe was referring to her as his mother, but the “old hag” is your translation.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0erm.. what is “my” translation?
I cant speakadelanguage... so how can I (caps) translate anything!?
Is the actual recording not available to listen to? Cannot one derive the most likely meaning from the vocal expression/tone? Or is it just a text of what was supposedly said?
“Urban Guerillas” - of what political leaning or ideology would you describe them??
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they never declared themselves communists.”
That is how they are described elsewhere. Who views them as Communists? Do you know why?
Just a thought to the love haters above
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATE...IT IS FEAR
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I told you, the Uruguayan communist party were NOT part of the MLN-Tupamaros.
There was no greater ideology that united them other than the desire to get rid of the oligarchy. Most labelled themselves Marxists, many Anarchists, surely a communist or two. I would describe them as an Urban guerilla.
“”THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATE...IT IS FEAR“”“
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it was ”Apathy”.?
@99anbar
Apr 05th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-BA Herald reported on it because they interpreted it as deliberately insulting
-Montevideo radio listeners laughed for the same reason
- Argentine Government lodged a strong complaint for the same reason
- only the Argy Trolls are trying to pass this off as a benign, familiar way of addressing a friend, or as an exaggerated mis-interpretation/poor translation.
CFK is miffed for a reason - no doubt!!!
Troy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one is saying it was a familiar way of addressing a friend, now you are making up again. I told you the meaning of what Pepe said.
You lot are trying to make this look as proof of the division of our nations, I'm saying all it counts for, is that dear Pepe will have to hitch-hike with Dilma :)
Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please stop this senseless abuse of innocent brainless people like Fred yankeeboy. :-)
@105 stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No one is saying it was a familiar way of addressing a friend, now you are making up again. I told you the meaning of what Pepe said.”
No, not you. Somebody else said that. “DoveIslas” or something like that.
It is certainly troubling for both CFK and Pepe.
Amusing for us, given CFK's vanity and huge ego.
:-D
Tupamaros -“ mostly Marxists”, which is your personal ideology, right?
and it sounds like it attracted “Communists” as well, from what you said, correct?
I am not playing 'silly buggers' here, but would you mind telling us the differences between these ideologies of collectivisation?
Is one or the other more idealistic, more humanitarian?
“”“You lot are trying to make this look as proof of the division of our nations”“”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it is indicative that the “supposed” 100% “we're all in agreement over everything” claims that tend to come from the Argentine Government and certain supporters on this website, are somewhat less than 100% agreement in everything.
I think it was mistake to get riled by it, ignoring it altogether would ahve reduced it to a 1-day/1-hour funny, making a big incident out of it catapulted it into international news.
But that is, regardless of whatever “slot” you want to put me in, pretty typical of Argentine International politics: the current Argentine Government (and its ambassadors) are a bunch of loud-mouthed amateurs.
I don't meant that nastily, although i do mean it derogatorily : they really are and act like, a bunch of amateurs.
I think, not being Argentine, that their “style” must go down well in the homeland, because it plays out very badly in “the western world”... well, Europe/North America etc....
But my impression gathered from this website, if nowhere else, is that most of what Argentinian Governments do id primarily aimed at specific sectors of the Argentine voting population...and with little, or no, regard to how it plays-out on the International stage.
Whether that in itself is good, or bad, is a matter of personal opinion, but it certainly highlights something of note.
Argentine government saying that such comments are “unacceptable, denigrating and offend the memory of a dead person”.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0/////////////////////////
tough shitty,
you offend others
you insult others
so sod off and buy a new barbie doll.
108
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Troy, I've already told you my ideology. I have no more -ists to add to my persona.
Yes, the MLN-T attracted those communists that agreed on the armed resistance, disagreeing with the PCU, the Uruguayan Communists Party.
You already defined communism. Although I'm sure the any communist would disagree with you, I'm not sure that I could convince you of anything else, and I surely wont try.
Google it.
@108 Troy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“would you mind telling us the differences between these ideologies of collectivisation?”
Communism, through Russian leadership, once managed to put half the world in poverty before being morally and financially bankrupt in the 80s. The Tupas managed to rob a bank and kill a couple of policemen whilst running around whacked out on Scoobie snacks. Other than that they are both defunct.
Today, north Korea told the British , Russians , Americans , Europeans to leave,
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They want only friends their in the final battle,
Today we say the government of CFK , and her bloggers,
Should immediately and unequivocally show their support for North Korea, and show the world of her solidarity,
And go their, and stand shoulder to shoulder with North Korea to fight these imperialists pirates,
What say you?
Will all you dedicated brainwashed indoctrinated Argies follow your queen to hell,
mm
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This isnt the first comment that our senile old Pepe has made
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina mission imposible?”
With this off mike comment he made it clear what Uruguay thinks of the present arrogant Argentine government- and I dont include the Argentine people and nation in my comment
@111stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“108
No Troy, I've already told you my ideology. I have no more -ists to add to my persona.
Yes, the MLN-T attracted those communists that agreed on the armed resistance, disagreeing with the PCU, the Uruguayan Communists Party.
You already defined communism. Although I'm sure the any communist would disagree with you, I'm not sure that I could convince you of anything else, and I surely wont try.”
Stevie
My recollection is that you said you were a Marxist, but you believed that had to updated to work properly today.
Is that close to the truth?
I do not have your original statement at my fingertips or I surely would have referenced it.
No, I have not already defined Communism, except to say it is a system of 'collectivisation'.
Is that incorrect?
I will certainly google Communism and Marxism, but the definitions I get may not suit you.
I have asked you nicely how YOU define them and differentiate between them. I would like to ask if you support either one, or something different??
However, you are going a bit evasive again.
Are you afraid of being pinned down?
Briton
Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't joke about Korea mate! if the shit hits the fan over there, the Yanks will be looking to the usual ally for support and I do not mean bloody Argentina!
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all.
Communism is an ideology that is based on that the human need comes before greed. As an ideology it talks about no state, a society where everybody produce what they can and consume what they need. The ideas are taken mainly from Marx and Lenin.
Marxism is an economical study, a sociologic study of the impacts of capitalism and an attempt to offer a solution from a point of view of the collectivity.
I declared myself an atheist and anarchist. Want me to define those two as well?
Mujica
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are entitled to your opinion,
And well done,
The Argies have insulted others, and continue to do so,
So please don’t apologise, just tell her to Soddy offy,
CFK
No you will not be making a statement,
After all, if you did, it would expose your face to the full glare of the free world, and prove you have had more that 20 facelifts,
Na you keep quiet, you have done enough damage to the innocent,
And again claim to be the victim..
116 reality check
North Korea is a leak that should have been sealed decades ago,
But you are correct; no doubt mr Cameron will offer British support to the Americans,
But one suspects that south Korea , Japan , and the Americans will deal with the problem,
To be fair I think as long as china stays well out, and tells Korea this,
Hopefully this nutter will back of,
Time will tell,
But I promise you thins,
CFK will almost certainly try to take advantage of the situation against the islanders.
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Stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll define it for you in one word,
“dreamer!”
@stevie
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I declared myself an atheist and anarchist. Want me to define those two as well?”
Thank you. I do recall that, now.
I think I recalled you as a Marxist because Tupamaros were Marxist and you had said Marxism might work, but it would need to be updated and modified to apply today. Fair enough.
Kicillof has been using an updated Marxism to completely destroy every segment of industry in Argentina along with the economy.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you mean that updated plan?
Looks like it is working out just as well as it has in every other country that has tried it.
You have to be dumb as a used kleenex to believe in that claptrap.
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Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See Troy? Take one as yanqui here. He has no clue of what Marxism put forward as a solution. Still he uses the word because somebody told him it's bad.
“Updated Marxism”, good job there yanqui! ;)
My favourite and hard to believe that an author hypothesised it, “all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He must have been some thinker, in one sentence, he demolished a Utopian ideal and showed up for what it really was.
Would have liked to have met him!
No dumb boy Killicof used the term Marxism and so did the new Retarded RG Ambassador to the USA.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That'll open some doors here.
Anyone know if she has washed her hair since she came here?
Yankeeboy
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You telling me that an Ambassador came to the US and used the M word in her dealings with your state department, or have I missed something?
I mean, I thought there was a prerequisite, that an Ambassador, should at least be educated!
#124 That was George Orwell, himself a socialist, criticising Stalin =)
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, I thought he did rather a good job of defining it!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a socialist is a communist? Think not.
yanqui
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marxism is a study in the impacts of capitalism on society. It's something you believe in, not something you apply.
Thing with Marxism is that is says capitalism will eventually lead to communism, by the risening of the people.
It speaks about classes and the division of them, the burgoise, the proletarians, the lumpens, the landlords.
Furthermore is says technology will change the means of production in such a degree, the “petit burgoise” (small businesses) would ultimately become proletarians, destroying the middle class. This would lead to a social revolution that, with time and evolution, would lead to socialism and eventually capitalism.
The only solution it offers, is the question if there is any reason to wait for that revolution. The problem being the awareness of the classes.
You really have no clue what you are talking about. One can call oneself a Marxist, one can study Marxism, even philosophize on the matter, but you can't apply it on anything.
I've heard you are taught creationism in certain US schools. I shouldn't be too surprised...
126, Yep avowed Marxist “Economic” Major. If there is such a thing. Maybe they have that degree in all the failed countries. I really couldn't say.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently what got her promoted is how she came up with the import restrictions.
“This would lead to a social revolution that, with time and evolution, would lead to socialism and eventually capitalism.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure Marx didn't say capitalism, of course it should be “communism” in that sentence.
It is no wonder every generation of Rg gets dumber and poorer
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0absolutely no wonder at all
The fact that you don't know what you are talking about, does not make anyone dumber but your sorry self, yanqui...
Apr 05th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lovely big words, Marxism is the politics of failure, where it still exists, it is still failing, spectacularly!
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not the one that said I was a Marxist Economics major it was the skeezy Rg Ambassador to the USA.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is a personal friend of Axel Kicillof, the Deputy Economy minister who has a growing influence in the interventionist orientation of the Argentine administration. Apparently they belonged to the same militant students’ group while at university. Kicillof is said to prefer a blend of Keynes and Marx in political economics.
La Campora
How sweet.
Did'nt Marx write Das Capital whilst he was living in Manchester, UK.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, seems we giving succour to others, even then!
In Uruguay today, even top government authorities are having a hard time keeping a straight face. Former Presidente Batlle actually guffawed during an interview. He went through a somewhat similar experience as president except that he called ALL Argentine politicians a bunch of thieves, “manga de ladrones”. He later apoligized, which it seems Pepe will not.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The trucks filled with donations to the flood victims are being hit by “asphalt pirates” ( that is what they call them there) and Truck drivers hauling gas have asked to have a police escort.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a lovely place
#128 “What a socialist is a communist? Think not.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed. So stop calling me a communist for saying I'm a socialist =)
#136 “Did'nt Marx write Das Capital whilst he was living in Manchester, UK.
Oh dear, seems we giving succour to others, even then!”
Marx was in London, writing Capital at the British Museum, it was Engels who was in Manchester =) But yes we have a history of giving succour to political refugees, its a part of the British heritage I'm very proud of =)
BK go back to your photos and tissues theres a good lad it's been nice without you
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“One could not have a better example of the moral and emotional shallowness of our time, than the fact that we are now all more or less proStalin. This disgusting murderer is temporarily on our side, and so the purges, etc., are suddenly forgotten.”
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eric Blair in 1941
Or, by swapping “ProStalin” with “proJunta” it could equally be Argentina in 1982.
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oh, btw, Eric Blair is popularly known by another name... you might want to look him up.
He only said what every politician who meets the crazy bitch thinks of her.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FFS get over it he could have said she's a bi polar power crazy bitch which is more like the truth anyway. CFK fiddles whilst rgenweener burns and the trolls continue on thier merry way like the sheep they are. Sad really. NOT . Now do one trolls not one of you lives in rgenweener Simon being the exception
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slattzzz
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you just call Simon a troll?
I could swear you just called Simon a troll :)
What all this says to me is that the poor Argentinians desperately need to join the British Commonwealth and have a monarchy.
Apr 05th, 2013 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then all these decades of pain and turmoil would make sense.
Why have Evita and CFK when you could have our Queen?
Even if the Queen is too old to take on another 41 million subjects who are largely Catholic there are Catholic branches of the Royal Family who would probably do an excellent job.
Nite, nite.
Marxism
Apr 06th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Communism
Federalist state
Capitalist
socialism
idealism
Trotskyism
Maoism
and the rest,
two thousands years,
and can one of you tell us which has turned out to be the best, if any,
democracy perhaps.
Everyone loves socialism, especially poor people whose only legacy is knocking out another copy of their unemployable genetics every year. However, the issue with socialism is someone/something has to pay for it. So in a country like Norway you can make the gas pay for it. In a country like 'England' most of the corporate entities are actually based out of Republic of Ireland or Luxembourg for tax reasons, therefore no one can actually pay for socialism.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the People's Republic of Scotland most people work for HM gov or are unemployed, so once they're independent they'll realise that nothing exists to pay for socialism and they'll descend into some kind of civil war.
@145 why would anything improve in a monarchy when the Prime Minister would be a Peronist and the Parliament would be Peronist as well? Even if we wanted a monarchy (we don't) we wouldn't join the Commonwealth anyway.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@147 well, Socialism IS about bleeding the rich dry to give everything to the poor. The problem with Socialism is that either the rich try to avoid paying taxes (thanks to corporations) or the government becomes corrupt and steals everything. And of course, that the poor become parasites who vote parasites.
The Rg farmers have been holding back grains thinking they'll either get a devaluation or the $ will go up in Chicago. So far not eithe rhas happened and if sold today they would be U$1.5B poorer.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not a good trend
Most small to medium sized farmers are on the brink of bankruptcy
Anyone else think CFK will kill the golden goose in 1 more year?
So uncouthly folksy retarted the brits.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0These are the same people that went into an uproar when an Argentine player sat on the “queen's carpet” in '66, in protest for what was clearly a fixed match since England bought the referees and the entire organization for to win that world cup, the famed “steal of the century” by the utterly morally corrupt brits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbCuTGF29Qw
Now these same shady characters insist that there should be no formal protest when the PRESIDENT of another country makes charges against a dead PRESIDENT of another.
I never tire of saying how bankrupt of any trace of decency this anglo society is.
From the mouth of an open microphone comes the truth! If you believe argentine spin, every country in Latin America agrees with argentina, loves argentina and will act as one with them. Well, in a few short but frank words, the Uruguayan President has given lie to that notion.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0A plastic face and a wonky eye what a wonderful way to express ones distaste for a couple of duckers and divers who would put Dell Boy and Rodney to shame.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I promise to spit in the face of any foreigner from now on. Sub-human garbage, anyone non-argentine.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Sub-human garbage, anyone non-argentine.”
Apr 06th, 2013 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah. clearly... Argentinians are the higher echelons of our species .
Lmao. Argentina has done literally nothing for this world. if there is one nation you could literally remove from history and no one would notice it would be Argentina.
I often hear that before the war in 1982. most british people had never heard of the falklands. The same could be said about Argentina.
#145 “Why have Evita and CFK when you could have our Queen?”
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because they're more beautiful, and more importantly can take an open political stance on the side of the people perhaps? =)
153. Argentinians are cowards, big man on the internet but a wimp in person, the least reaction would be to get popped right in the nose if you did that to anyone from the USA and it may end up much worse.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”“I promise to spit in the face of any foreigner from now on. Sub-human garbage, anyone non-argentine.”“”
Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You wont even have to leave your country to do a lot of that then, most of Argentina are are foreigners to the actual land they live on.
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“””....and more importantly can take an open political stance on the side of the people perhaps? =)“”“”
and look where that got you-> They got rich, the people got shat on.
go back to your photo collection and hankies... you are far too dull to be an effective sock-puppet.
#157 “They got rich, the people got shat on.”
Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0If true, then surely in the best traditions of European monarchy!
158, That was then this is now.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know the difference?
@150 Ah yes. That would be after the first round matches when argieland was formally cautioned by FIFA for its violent style, particularly in the scoreless draw with West Germany, that saw Rafael Albrecht sent off and suspended for the next match. But you refer to the quarter-final that saw Antonio Rattin sent off for bad-mouthing the referee and where he had to be escorted away by the police. But then there was 1986, with the cheating Maradona and his “Hand of God”. Maradona himself admitted in his autobiography that it had been deliberate and revenge for argieland having been beaten shitless in the Falklands War. The 1998 World Cup was notable for the double foul of Diego Simeone on David Beckham. Then there was the 2002 World Cup where England beat argieland in the first round and saw the argies go home. Then there was the 2005 “friendly” that saw argieland beaten 3-2. Statistically, out of 15 matches, England has won 6 times, there have been 5 draws and argieland has won twice. Through cheating and foul play. In 3 matches held in argieland, they haven't won once. In 6 matches in England, England has won 4 and drawn 2. Not really a particularly good argie record, is it? Seems like argies approach everything the same way. Cheating, lying and violence. Although, as usual, it doesn't get them very far!
Apr 06th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@150Teen Troll Tobias
Apr 06th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“These are the same people that went into an uproar when an Argentine player sat on the “queen's carpet” in '66, in protest for what was clearly a fixed match since England bought the referees and the entire organization for to win that world cup, the famed “steal of the century” by the utterly morally corrupt brits:”
47 years ago!
You weren't there.
Perhaps Argentina was beaten by better players.
Naw, that couldn't be, could it???
Argentina beaten by the country that invented the game?
Argentina lost - only explanation, game was fixed!!
How 'Argentinean' of you, Toby.
Who 'fixed' the war in 82???
@150Teen TT
“Now these same shady characters insist that there should be no formal protest when the PRESIDENT of another country makes charges against a dead PRESIDENT of another.”
Nobody said any such thing.
We're just laughing about it!!
Like Uruguay is laughing! Ha Ha!!
@153Teen Troll Toby
“I promise to spit in the face of any foreigner from now on. Sub-human garbage, anyone non-argentine.”
LOL, those foreigners are always to blame!!
150 John Troll the 3rd
Apr 06th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, more clear indication of the effect of viveza criolla, absolutely no proof, and a paranoid former captain who is a disgrace to the game and his nation. I believe this is the worst case of unsportsman like conduct I am aware off. Playing by the rules according to Argentina's definition is allowing Maradona's “hand of God conduct”. No wonder the Brits can't be bothered wasting their time with you.
VivezaCCriolla
Viveza criolla includes:
1.lack of respect for others and indifference to the common good in a framework of individual interests.[3]
2.political corruption, which extends in all institutions, in the form of perks, direct appropriation of public funds, favoritism, misallocation of state resources, etc.[3]
extreme individualism, with mistrust of others and little ability to partner and cooperate in community goals.[3] (Interpersonal trust is a key component of social capital, which is crucial for economic development and proper functioning of democratic institutions.)[3]
3.Anomie or weakening of the common morality, and social deviance as behavior that departs from generally accepted standards in society.[3]
4.The habit of blaming problems on someone else, thereby encouraging paranoia and granting a permit to self-indulgence.[3
Examples
Hand of God goal
3. a b c d e f g h “”Viveza Criolla“ en Argentina”. latinamericanstudies.org. Retrieved 18 Feb 2012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla
162. Whew that article sums up the Rgs pretty well. Good gracious!
Apr 06th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 00 British_Kirchnerist (#) I agree, similar to Cristina who also has “a keen eye and sense of humour”, no?
Apr 06th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK, I'll give you that she has a sense of humour, given her attempts at international diplomacy and that she married Nestor, but a keen eye?
Certainly not. I refer you again to the point re marrying Nestor !! :)
Terence Hill
Apr 06th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0´
Wasn't World Cup -66 a perfect example of viveza criolla displayed from the English? The only thing you've won in football, you've won by robbing, and here you are, crying because Maradona showed you how to play your own game...
Stevie talks about robbing ..........fookin classic you couldn't make it up, you ever tried stand up comedy mate because every time you post you have me in stitches.................are you related to Sussie?
Apr 06th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tis always the losers that claim the high ground,
Apr 06th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet they hide behind the very same rules they [daily] break..
@165 If you claim that as an example of viveza criolla then you don't seem to know what the term means. Maradona fundamentally using his hands to push the ball into the net is viveza criolla, because he ignored the rules and used that as a method of winning, as is his apparent lack of ability to pay taxes on his earnings.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, viveza criolla is an important part of Argentine culture, which is why during war other countries have to sink their boats in order to get them to give up and run home, because argies think it's not fair.
Retards.
165 Stevie
Apr 06th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignoring the Burden of Proof, that is asserting without proof simply reveals you as a proven liar under the rules of debate.
http://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
Logical Fallacies
Ignoring the Burden of Proof:
Generally speaking, he who asserts must prove. An assertion is a statement offered as a conclusion without supporting evidence. Since an argument is defined as a logical relationship between premise and conclusion, a simple assertion is not an argument. Writers sometimes forget this, and their articles can be littered with assertion after assertion. In the end, the duty to support an assertion is on the writer, not the reader (like the burden of proof is on the accuser in court, rather than the accused).
@165 Can you not read, you moron? Not only did Terence quote from the article, he even gave you a link to it. But then you've obviously no concept of common morality and are a social deviant. Oh look, RATtin got sent off by a German referee.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169 I don't know why you're bothering. They don't teach the rules of debate or burden of proof in argie kindergarten. All they teach is “Malvinas Argentinas, Malvinas Argentinas, Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil.”
I know perfectly well what the viveza criolla is. It's the same doubtful skill that makes quite a lot of you avoid taxes in some way or another. That little trickery that makes you plan how to gain something at the behalf of others. Viveza criolla isn't something good. If someone calls you a “vivo” they aren't complimenting you.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About the viveza in the World Cups. Back in -66 Uruguay met West Germany. Ref was English. Uruguay got Horacio Troche and Hector Silva sent off for being Uruguayans and they got a clear penalty dismissed (a hands in the area).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xnmYqHTtI
When England met Argentina, the ref was West German, Rattín got sent off for being Argentine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xnmYqHTtI
In both games the racism is palpable.
England went on to cheat the West Germans in the final on a ghost goal in extra time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xnmYqHTtI
@171 ahh poor rgenweener always the victim GROW UP YOU TUBE. Think you'll find we won by two clear goals by the way 4 minus two is 2 so in my thinking even if the Ghost goal as you call it hadn't been allowed we still would have won, and why is it never mention that Schnellinger handled the ball in the run up to Webers goal to take it to extra time
Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slattzzz
Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take that issue with the Germans. What about those other two games?
If it wasnt for the fact that all 30-odd “Argentine” posters on this website actually only represent about 4, none of whom live in Argentina, I'd think that there is no Argentine alive who cannot help but blame somebody else for any ill that befalls them or their nation.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is never their fault...even when it clearly is.
Thank *whoever* that there are plenty of rational Argentines who have both more common sense and intelligence than the sock-puppet running buffoons who appear on Mercopress.
While stevie is amusing himself talking about poorball and how Argentines don't do rules if it means they can screw someone else over, did anyone figure out what Nestor was looking at? was it the ceiling lamp or his shoes?
Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@173 what about them. You greeting because the ref made a decision that went against you, ratboy with his beligerent protests, and sitting on the red carpet, and a conspiracy theory dreamed up by the rg press, I take it the moving of the game against Portugal that was moved to Wembley from Goodison Park is your other drip, so what, bigger attendance for both teams, If you mean the Germany Uruguay game i'll quote you take that issue with the Germans after all 4 fookin 0, the second one was defo a sending off anyway and the first no one will know because no one saw it. I suppose the North koreans beating Italy was a fix as well. Get over it, it happens all the time in football, lampards goal, maradonna handball etc etc etc, obviously you've never reffed a game in your chuff
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slattzzz
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Get over it, it happens all the time in football, lampards goal, maradonna handball etc etc etc”
I fully agree with you on that one. But don't point your pointy fingers crying “viveza criolla” for Maradona beating you at your own game. Literally.
My response was just that, a reaction to Terence's pointy fingers.
Nice to see the nationalism and bile on this thread move to where it belongs, the football pitch =)
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@178 No, nationalism and bile is normally kept at Holyrood, just for you and your friends. I just let the poor people talk about poorball, it seems to keep them happy when they spend all their job not-seekers allowance on new poorball shirts and sky tv.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@178 what would you know of football your Scottish
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@177 don't think I said viveza criilla at all. In both games the racism is palpable.
what a load of shit RACISM because the ref never gave a penalty because he never saw it in a game they lost 4 - 0 anyway. Uruguay got Horacio Troche and Hector Silva sent off for being Uruguayans. Well I hope they were Uruguayans otherwise they shouldn't have been playing you dipshit. FFS do you realise how stupid and childish you sound
slattzzz
Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 of the goals came after both Uruguayans were sent off for no other reason than being Uruguayan. If I'm wrong, you tell me the reason.
The obvious penalty happened when it stood 0-0 and if the ref didn't see it, he was watching another game. The hands is so obvious, you can clearly see it in that old footage. The ref was English.
Same thing happened to Argentina vs England. Rattín sent off for being Argentine. Or as the ref said himself “Violence of the tongue”, disregarding the fact that Rattín didn't speak German or English, as little as the ref spoke Spanish.
I repeat, the only thing in football England has won, they've done it by cheating.
Little Uruguay has 2 World Cups, 15 Copa Americas, 2 Olympics and 1 Mundialito. Not once did we cheat to achieve it.
You lot brought us the ball, we showed you what to do with it ;)
@181 right so in you fooked up theory of conspiricy how does this rate in your single minded thoughts.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil and Argentina then played out a tense and violent goalless draw, so both teams went into the last round of matches with three points. Argentina delayed the kick-off of its last match to await the result of the Brazil-Poland encounter. Brazil won by a 3-1 score, meaning Argentina had to beat Peru by four clear goals to reach the final. The hosts managed to do it with what some saw as a suspicious degree of ease. Trailing 2–0 at half-time, Peru simply collapsed in the second half, and Argentina eventually won 6–2. Rumours suggested that Peru might have been bribed into allowing Argentina to win the match by such a large margin (especially because the Peruvian goalkeeper, Ramón Quiroga, was born in Argentina)
“Violence of the tongue” wake up and smell the coffee if I am abroad and someone starts screaming and shouting at me in a language I don't understand I know when it's threatening or not body language speaks a thousand words. Get over it we could all say there was conspircy theorys in world cups when the host nation won ie Uruguay 30, W germany 74, and your pals in 78 which might I say was the most rigged world cup ever, your arguement is floundering by the post. Well done Uruguay on your triumphs don't let the idiots next door drag you down to thier cheating levels
Now you want to talk about Argentina cheating in 78.
Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course they did, I would never disagree with you on that one. Maybe an Argentine would.
That still doesn't change the fact that the ONLY triumph England has in football, they achieved by cheating.
@183 Oh whatever
Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#179 You really are a nasty piece, aren't you? Suppose you spend your bankers bonuses on the polo then, or is that just a fantasist persona you like to project on here??
Apr 06th, 2013 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK
Apr 06th, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would know about fantasy!
@185 Watching polo is simply more delightful than watching 20+ fashion models aimlessly kick a ball around before coming to a pre-arranged result while the long term unemployed in the crowd throw racist insults at each other, spending all their money on the strip-of-the-week.
Apr 07th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely unemployed people have something more constructive to do that watch poorball. Maybe they could engage in a period of self-betterment through education and use the money they save to pay for tutors for their kids.
Why is that nasty?
It's 'protest against the remarks', not 'protest remarks'...
Apr 07th, 2013 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@171 Actually, in '66, Troche certainly got sent off for brawling. When Troche punched Uwe Seeler. And Silva got sent off for retaliating. I see that Silva also had to be escorted off the pitch by the police. And, as I previously pointed out, RATtin got sent off, essentially, for showing dissent.
Apr 07th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I do agree with you. The racism is palpable. Yours.
@177 Oh, you want to drop it. Because you're losing the “debate” and your racism is showing. Now, I've told you why RATtin and Troche and, most Silva got sent off. No “racism”, just breaches of the laws of the game. I wonder how long you've hung on to those racist views. Now let's compare your attitude to one of the stated attributes of viveza criolla: The habit of blaming problems on someone else, thereby encouraging paranoia and granting a permit to self-indulgence. Try being realistic. Troche didn't have to jump in and hit Seeler. Silva didn't have to retaliate. RATtin didn't have to start shouting and gesticulating at the referee. So don't blame the players that lost control of themselves, blame the referee. Were there any formal complaints to FIFA? Were there hearings? Where are the records? Or is it just your personal (racist) view?
@183 And I see that you can't deal with FACTS.
conq
Apr 07th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troche slapped Seeler after being sent off. Still nobody knows why Silva got sent off. Rattín was sent off for speaking Spanish to the ref.
And you are fishing for arguments, the red card didn't even exist in 1966.
181 and 183 Stevie
Apr 07th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again you simply reaffirm that you are a proven liar by ignoring the dictum Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies) in so far as you declare without any proof ”ONLY triumph England has in football, they achieved by cheating.
191
Apr 07th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I can, I just did.
Or maybe you want to add those Olympic gold medals back in 1900, 1904 and 1908... or was it 1912?
Feel free to do so. In those, no cheating was recorded.
The fact that the first edition numbered 3 club teams and the other 2 national teams from Europe only is another discussion.
Apparently Pepe called Nestor slimy in another interview
Apr 07th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha
This is fun to watch.
@193 well the truth hurts as they say
Apr 07th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina ships shock: Less than half of the country's navy vessels are operational - ARGENTINA'S Navy is so poorly funded that only 14 of its 42 vessels are operational - and these can only sail for 10 days at a time.'
Apr 07th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/390027/Argentina-ships-shock-Less-than-half-of-the-country-s-navy-vessels-are-operational
'More reflections and polemics, after 31 years of recovery Malvinas'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/390027/Argentina-ships-shock-Less-than-half-of-the-country-s-navy-vessels-are-operational
'The leader of the Gurkhas Malvinas reveals secrets'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/390027/Argentina-ships-shock-Less-than-half-of-the-country-s-navy-vessels-are-operational
'“What is the Cause Malvinas example of national unity,” wanted Melella'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/390027/Argentina-ships-shock-Less-than-half-of-the-country-s-navy-vessels-are-operational
'Cristina Kirchner returned to La Plata surrounded by leaders of La Campora'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/390027/Argentina-ships-shock-Less-than-half-of-the-country-s-navy-vessels-are-operational
Well we all know now that Stevie is Guzz, a renegade Uruguayan living in Denmark, Rather gave his game away when talking about the Uruguayan football team as “we” didnt he?
Apr 07th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@195
Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina in La Plata:
“...wearing shirts and bibs of La Campora”
Bibs???
Too much spitting, frothing, and spluttering???
Timerman and TMBOA should remember the saying:
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If you suspect the people you are with think you are an idiot, you should not open your mouth and confirm it as fact.”
Feeding this was the act of the stupid.
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