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Cristina Fernandez calls for reciprocity from foreign airlines operating in Argentina’s domestic market
Argentine President Cristina Fernandez got involved in the Lan Chile hangar conflict at the Buenos Aires metropolitan air terminal by praising the performance of re-nationalized Aerolíneas Argentinas and claiming that while foreign carriers can exploit the Argentine domestic market, “there is no reciprocity from other countries”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI would never fly a foreign airline, as they usually either have poor safety record, or are the target of terrorists. However, AR has really entitled employees and thus do not approve of my money going to subsidize some of these personel with attitudes.
Aug 27th, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nostrils
Aug 27th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't had and nor will you have the chance to fly a foreign airline so your decision is pretty moot.
As for your president's pathetic understanding of international relations, there is nothing stopping Aerolíneas from starting up foreign subsidiaries. However as Aerolíneas would be unable to adhere to the much higher safety, fiscal and regulatory regimes in other countries; it is again a moot point.
Aerolíneas runs flights from Sydney to BsAs at half the price of Qantas. If for some reason you believe that your taxes, or more likely your parent's taxes, should be used to subsidise foreigners to fly to and from Latin America then I would love to hear it.
LAN in Argentina pays taxes and employs people.
It doesn't cost your government any money but makes it money.
Aerolíneas is subsidised to the tune of almost a billion dollars a year.
It is helping to bankrupt your government.
Competition should help to lift Aerolíneas' services and profitability but it is seen as a threat to feather-nesting.
As for foreign airlines usually having poor safety record or targets of terrorists; another simplistic viewpoint that you gained through Google.
Aerolíneas has 34 aircraft compared to 147 for Qantas or 260 for BA or 300 for Lufthansa.
Not even in the same league. The terrorists probably don't even know it exists. LOL
Quantas can't even keep the engines attatched to the wings. How many was it a couple of years ago?
Aug 28th, 2013 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of those 147, I bet 100 are regional tinies.
You trully understimate Argentines don't you?
Excuse me I want a flight, what airlines are flying please?
Aug 28th, 2013 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can fly Aerolineas sir.
What others can I take?
Only Aerolineas sir?
Hey??? So there's no others?
That's right.
I'd sooner walk then, my consumer choice in action.
@3
Aug 28th, 2013 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't you watch Rainman? Qantas ( there's no 'U' ) has never lost a single customer.
In 1967 no self respecting Argentine would fly AA unless totally necessary,
Aug 28th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0they would fly Austral by choice.
The woman lies like a pig in shit. Obviously Aerolineas del Sur is being washed from the collective memory banks... http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=Aerolineas%20del%20Sur&distinct_entry=true
Aug 28th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0They say it was a shitty as the rest of Aerolineas which probably explains why the went broke.
“We allow foreign airlines to make domestic flights in Argentina, but this is not reciprocated by other countries”
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want 9th freedom rights then negotiate them. But the truth is AR can't compete in any market without massive subsidies which would not be allowed and foreign carriers aren't interested in operating Argentine domestic flights. (NOTE Lan Argentina isn't a foreign carrier)
'Cristina Fernandez calls for reciprocity from foreign (companies) operating in Argentina’s domestic market'.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Argentina gets poorer and poorer, she expects foreign companies to accept rock-bottom reciprocality. Hell, no!
Foreign companies expect a RoR equivalent to that which they can achieve elsewhere. Otherwise, no investment - or investment with a nefarious agenda ('vulture investment'?).
CFK is ensuring the continued spiral to total collapse.
The Argentinian people should reflect on this - rapidly.
Qantas has around 150 jet aircraft from B737s to A380s. Its 100%-owned subsidiary Jetstar has around 70 A320s and A330s, it gets its new B787s from next month. With its other subsidiaries, which do have a mixture of “tinnies” and jet aircraft, the Group has over 300 aircraft. All this out of a country with just over half the population of Argentina.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the engine issue with the A380 was found to have been a manufacturer's issues.
@3: I really don't have much faith therefore in the concept of the truth emanating from the Southern Conic peoples.
@10 Austral
Aug 28th, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nostrils won't be back. He can't argue. He just runs in, states something off Google that he hasn't researched properly and disappears. He'll reappear on another thread telling everyone how he runs rings around everyone until we're the ones that back down and none of us can match him for intellect, honesty, or substance.
Qantas as the oldest continuously operating airline in the world together with its safety record and the fact that it doesn't get subsidies nor bailouts isn't even in the same league as Aerolíneas.
He'd definitely have no comeback for the fact it does all this by servicing a country nearly 3 times larger than Argentina with half the population.
This is the reason Nostrils appears at the start of threads but never at the end.
This is probably the lamest thing I've heard from CFK. “There is no reciprocity from other countries”. Hi, you spend 5million on a hanger and get a contact that you can pretty much smell in the air that we're going to break, 'cause that's what we do, baby... And in return, you will spend 5million on a hanger in your country and give that one too us, too. We will still suck. And in exchange we want you to suck, too so consumer choice is relegated to 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other (or to me more accurate, more gates for us, more slots for us, so it's a win for my little brownshirt run airline). Reciprocity CFK style.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The thug “running” AA previous job must have been a whorehouse manager by the look of him. he is certainly incapable of running anything else.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0But you have to wonder how much of the USD 2 M per DAY this bunch are wasting, goes into TMBO “retirement fund”.
The unions will support LAN and cripple AA if they keep on with this nonsense.
Ah, then it's easier to understand: Mariano Recalde was a co-founder of the Argentine branch of Hitler Jugend.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is quite stunning that losses have doubled since it was nationalised
Aug 28th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 013 ChrisR (#)
Aug 28th, 2013 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 28th, 2013 - 09:29 am
Chris, a slight correction, AA is losing U$S3 million per day now, and Recalde was much worse than a whorehouse manager.... he is a lawyer!!!!!!!!
As for how much goes into CFK's retirement fund, I really don't know, but certainly a fair amount goes into the La Campora “war chest”!!!!!!!!
Argentina's economic failure is reflected in its poor standing in the 2013 edition of the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is down in 160th place out of 177 countries. This is lower than Angola in economic freedom, far worse than any other G20.
Argentina = 'Angola with the Tango'
http://www.heritage.org/index/
@1 Does Mummy and Daddy let you get on an aircraft without them? Surely one has to carry your child seat and the other has to carry your potty?
Aug 28th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 One. And no engines “fell off”.
@17
Aug 28th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still find it amusing some of you expect Argentina to do things to please some anglo-pseudo-fish-tank.
@11
If I saw something worth refuting I would. There is nothing here that is worth expending 3 calories on typing. The mantra of you racist losers is “everything and anything out of Argentina must be shit, no exceptions”... what kind of debate can one expect to sustain with the pure noetically imprisoned denizens of this website?
You have made your position clear: not once, NOT ONCE, I repeat, have you actually written something to the effect “that is something positive to come out of Argentina”. And you have been here long enough and let me remind you that just as no human or society is perfect (even though Anglos believe themselves to be perfect and worthy of usurping God's powers if they could or believe in deity), no human or society is also 100% perfectly useless. Even the “so-regarded” worse people have had at least one redeeming quality.
What you Anglotino and all the others here have attempted for months to do is to make the claim Argentina is the only society, country, and individual national in human history from which EVERYTHING is worthless, wicked, reprehensible, disposable, and positively negative ( a positive times a negative being a negative).
Then you wonder why I treat you and others accordingly.
@18
Underestimate me. I thrive on it. Both online and in real life.
@19 Toby
Aug 28th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say: “The mantra of you racist losers is “everything and anything out of Argentina must be shit, no exceptions”... what kind of debate can one expect ”
There are many posters on this site who do not maintain that everything in Argentina is shit. However you choose to engage with those that do think everything in Argentina is shit and you reply reciprocally. Your arguments and posts are therefore as ridiculous as theirs - by way of example, just look at your post @1 .
@ ALL
“AA” is American Airlines
“AR” is Aerolineas Argentinas
I imagine pretty soon Ar will not be allowed to land in USA or EU due to the extreme age and poor maintenance of their jets.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see them having the ability to upgrade anytime in the near future either.
Even at 1/2 pice I wouldn't fly AR, I didn't even fly them when I lived there and they were in much better shape then they are now.
@19 I don't “underestimate” you. It's difficult to “underestimate” nursery shit. Could you let us know when you reach a quasi-adult age? And don't forget to tell us when Mummy and Daddy get you your first pair of long trousers. Now get out in the street and pick up those turds for the fire!
Aug 28th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Aerolineas is a crap airline. American is a crap airline (getting even crappier now that they're absorbing US Scare). Telling them apart can be a challenge.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 actually the age of their fleet is not that old in international airline terms - they are pretty much all leased. However the long haul stuff they have started leasing are A340s, the reason they are available is because they are uneconomical compared to more modern fuel efficient twin engined planes (and with ETOPS regs as they are now not many routes need 4 engines) so every other airline is ditching them (ARs are mostly ex Cathay Pacific)
Aug 28th, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maintenance may be another story, I would have thought the terms of the lease might have a mandatory level of maintenance but since when has the terms of a contract mattered to Argentina I guess.
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Aerolineas%20Argentinas.htm
Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aircraft Number Age Rank for the age by aircraft type
Airbus A340 11 17.6 years
On 52 airlines operating this type of aircraft Aerolineas Argentinas ranks 40
Boeing 737 Next Gen 26 9.2 years
On 187 airlines operating this type of aircraft Aerolineas Argentinas ranks 117
Not good and not going to get any better anytime soon
Ha! Breaking news...
Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'An Argentine judge on Wednesday granted an injunction blocking the eviction of LAN Argentina, a unit of Chile-based LATAM Airlines Group, from its hangar at this capital's Jorge Newbery Airport, which handles domestic and South American regional flights.
The ruling instructs the Argentine government not to remove LAN Argentina, the main competitor of state-owned Aerolineas Argentinas, “until a determination is made of the legality of the order issued by the Orsna national airports system regulator.”
Judge Claudia Rodriguez Vidal handed down her ruling hours before the deadline for LAN Argentina to vacate the hangar at Newbery was to due to expire.'
Orsna national airports system regulator
Aug 28th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I am not mistaken that is headed by Kirchner's former gardener.
I found these webpages about AR amusing
Aug 29th, 2013 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/02/08/i-want-to-fly-aerolineas-argentinas-club-condor-class-so-i-can-live-fax-from-a-flight/
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/02/08/i-want-to-fly-aerolineas-argentinas-club-condor-class-so-i-can-live-fax-from-a-flight/
28 JuanGabriel
Aug 29th, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the problem with them: La Camping it up stewards for some flights and normal people as stewards for other flights.
I am amazed how many people thought that paying a low price was acceptable to have old, broken seats, taped up overhead luggage doors, etc. They are the sort that DESERVE AR!
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