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Argentina confirms that the Malvinas question has become a Latinamerican strategy issue
Javier Figueroa head of the Malvinas Desk at the Argentine Foreign ministry said that it is strategic to make the “Malvinas question” a Latinamerican issue. Figueroa made the statement during a meeting of Central America and Caribbean Malvinas Solidarity groups which opened Thursday in Havana. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules”We have left the rhetoric statements and moved to design concrete solidarity positions”, said Figueroa.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0So confusing movement for action.
I wonder if any of those solidarity groups are in the Falklands?
Another day, another dago with a chip on his shoulder.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here we go again, CFK get it through your thick skull you are not stealing the Falkland Islands.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0However the tone coming from the Argentine Government is now no pre conditions for discussions, an indication that there resolve is now weaking concerning their false claim.
Bottom line is the Falkland Islanders, the people who stay there have the final say on sovereignty.
In other words more lies to convince the gullible or downright stupid.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure a few rabid students who may of had an Argentine grandmother constitute a “solidarity group”. Seriously though Argentina, nobody who matters cares anymore, I don't even care anymore.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0He added “there’s no international forum or meeting where Argentina does not present this colonial situation”.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0ICJ ?
Are we talking about the same kind of solidarity groups that had in London earlier this year that were made up mainly of argentine ex pats? Hmmm
Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly Trunce! Every forum and meeting except the only one which can make a difference.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“he only way to resolve it, is sitting round a negotiations table “with no pre-conditions”
Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina is going to remove its claim from its constitution?
Because I'm pretty sure that such a claim is a ”per-condition”.
Anyway, after all of Argentina's so-called successes; what does it have to show?
NOTHING!
“there’s no international forum or meeting where Argentina does not present this colonial situation”
Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Makes the enormity of their failure that much greater.
“Javier Figueroa head of the Malvinas Desk”.
Hilarious. Talk about a minister without portfolio. Do they have a “Never Never Land Desk” and a “Gotham City Desk”?
One trick ponies the lot of them.
The Argentine colonialist has spoken.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, it isn't a Latin America strategy issue. Argentina tried to get the Falklands oil companies banned from lATAm operations and wholly failed. Premier have won Brazil licences, Noble have won Nicaragua licences. Once the oil starts flowing, we will see this “solidarity” for what it is...BULLSHIT!
Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where the report is correct, is that Argentina pisses and winds at a number of meaningless international forums. It is patently clear to everyone the crass hypocricy and colonial aspirations of Argentina. As stated above, only the ICJ can help Argentina, and they would lose in a spectacular “Beagle Channel” style judgement.
However, with stupid Toni, the trolley dolly, melted face and Timidman, they have managed to make themselves the laughing stock of the international community...but heroes amongst the retarded portion of the Argentine populus...hahahahahah
“”“Argentina confirms that the Malvinas question has become a Latinamerican strategy issue”“”
Sep 13th, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina confirms that IT WANTS THE the Malvinas question TO become a Latinamerican strategy issue
ffs Jercopress
Despite trying everything they can think of, they finally admit that they are incapable of resolving their so called 'Malvinas question' themselves. So in an effort to outsource their sovereignty issues, they now try and enlist the support of other countries hoping that they will do what Argentina is incapable of doing and facilitate its colonial takeover of a group of Islands that do not and, have never, belonged to them. Well good luck with that one Javier! One wonders who these 'solidarity' groups are. As mentioned by other posters, they are probably made up of some homesick Argentine expats, after all, who else would believe (or care) about their precious “Malvinas question’?
Sep 13th, 2013 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There’s no international forum or meeting where Argentina does not present this colonial situation”.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0That doesn't mean that anyone has to take any notice of you, now does it?
It has become a strategic SA issue to a degree. All other SA countries nod their head in agreement because Argentina is such a feral beast in the tent that nothing else can be achieved unless they do.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0In practical terms they use it as a tool to manipulate Argentina. One cry of “Las Malvinas son Argentinos” and they get a far more compliant attitude for a while.
In practical terms for the islands themselves it makes no difference at all. It is very rare that they actually do anything.
Is it just me, or does he look as bored with the “Malvinas Question” as everybody else on this planet?
Sep 13th, 2013 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0La Habana- a city literally falling apart, so desperately impoverished that it makes even Argentina look wealthy by comparison. Capital of a country where half of all the traffic on the road is horse-drawn, where democracy is but a distant dream. How ironic that here, a place that emptomises all the dire problems of Latin America that so desperately need the full attention of it's leaders, that this utter non-issue for the vast majority of Latin Americans is raised.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly this guy was photographed during a particularly troublesome dump. His remit .. well it has less merit than shiny toilet paper that doesn't absorb but merely moves it all around.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The malvinas myth is clearly a diversion and would be laughed out of court... hence why argentina has never taken it to the ICJ.
He doesn't appear to really believe the words he is claimed to be saying. The photo should be enlarged so that we can see the ventriloquist whose lips are moving!
Sep 13th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Figueroa underlined the significance that the Malvinas question has been incorporated to the agendas of regional integration groupings such as CELAC, Community of Latinamerican and Caribbean States, and the Union of South American Nations, Unasur as well as other continental spaces.” And how many of these “regional integration groupings” is the UK concerned about? None of them. But it's also useful to know how many places we're going to have to take out. Will we “fight”? Maybe not. Will we bomb? Quite possibly. Stand-off bombs. Cruise or stand-off missiles. Motion to “dismiss”?
Sep 13th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this really something recent? Seems CFK and her regime have been promoting this strategy for quite awhile. Why not go back to the previous strategy of trying to lure Falklanders to Argentina by just behaving reasonably and generously - full access for Falklands shipping, citizens, and businesses. Would still likely fail but at least Argentina could put their efforts into other things that really do count.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0As it is, all the talk of Argentinian “solidarity groups” worldwide makes me think of the old Nazi brownshirt wannabees of the German American groups (Amerikadeutscher Volksbund) that were so easily discredited.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/keep-the-falklands-british/british-claim/407650689319019
Sep 13th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina confirms that the Malvinas question has become a LatinAmerican strategy issue'
Sep 13th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I confirm that the Falkland Islands have not become a Latin American strategic issue.
Figueroa - the only way to resolve it, is sitting round a negotiating table “with no pre conditions ” is he implying that the Falklands / Malvinas will be removed from the Argentine constitution? I hardly think so. This is just more CFK bullshit and, not even plausible bullshit.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and that the only way to resolve it, is sitting round a negotiations table “with no pre-conditions”
Sep 13th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely the Argentines excluding the people that live and were born on the islands is the most ILLOGICAL pre-condition ever devised.
” design concrete solidarity positions”
Like banning oil companies operating around the FIs from being robbed in Argentina for 20 years-yet these oil companies are operating in LATAM countries.
Figaro my friend, you need to examine your 'friends' level of solidarity.
@6 Trunce
He added “there’s no international forum or meeting where Argentina does not present this colonial situation”.
ICJ ?
Well trunce be fair, Figaro has either not slept for a week judging by his lack of research (so has forgotten the ICJ), or he has been dug up and resuscitated.
@17. See comments above. But you may be right, he may just be bored rather than gone a week without sleep/dug up.
@19 Musky.
“Clearly this guy was photographed during a particularly troublesome dump”.
Your theory too has possibilities.
@20
Now I'm as doubtful as Argentina's' grasp' of history-his expression a result of a ventriloquists hand up his Khyber?
@22
“Why not go back to the previous strategy of trying to lure Falklanders to Argentina by just behaving reasonably and generously - full access for Falklands shipping, citizens, and businesses.”
They just don't have any grasp of human psychology or even the wish to at least get money out of the Falklands to better themselves, rather than what they get at the moment-Jack Squit.
@24 Geoff Ward2
“I confirm that the Falkland Islands have not become a Latin American strategic issue.”
I second this.
The only question should be whether or not in the event of any military attack or harm to the Islands on the part of the Argentine state or its goons, 'official or unofficial' whether or ot Argentina should be required to permanently disband its Armed Forces or face nuclear annihilation, or to skip the initial requirement.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish Empire
Sep 13th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And she would like to re-claim all this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire
IF SHE COULD ….
Spannishtina,
Welcome to the future new world...lol
Oh come on folks, where else would we get laughs like this for free?
Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While Gollum and TMBOA, now joined by this “turd in the making” keep carrying on in this totally ineffective manner, who GAF?
Enjoy!
A bunch of midgety eunuchs got together to figure out how they can gang rape the hottest girl on the block.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina believed in no pre-conditions, they would have no problem with the referendum result. Argentina govt. lying again and trying to thief again.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore, this will have to be countered with the truth and show up Argentina for what it is. Plus, a defensive force in place to deter & defend.
Surely, some wiser peaceful Argentinians must be fed up with this ranting?
It's easy to see the interest of the British government in las Malvinas (aka the Falklands) there is oil in the islands, in the Chagos islands there is not, so the right of self-determination of the Chagossians don't exist, plus the Chagossians are black. The British government together with the USA government “defend the right of self-determination” of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan and Lybia yeaaah, of course, because there is oil and gas in those countries.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Sep 13th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How much oil was there in 1833? or 1982?
The great comic irony here is that it is Argentina's own unfounded sense of entitlement that ensures you will never get the islands. Give that up and you might stand a chance in about 200 years. Keep doing what you're doing, and the only possible response you can get ends in “off”.
You might also like to consider who exactly benefits from this situation. Here is a clue: it is not the people of the Falklands, the people of the UK, or the people of Argentina.
'Argentina is disgraceful and should be kicked out of the G20', Tory MP tells Commons - ARGENTINA should be thrown out of the prestigious G20 for harbouring drug dealers and lying about its economy to avoid paying debts, an Conservative MP has claimed...'
Sep 13th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429221/Argentina-is-disgraceful-and-should-be-kicked-out-of-the-G20-Tory-MP-tells-Commons
'Premier welcomes UK PM’s endorsement - Bermuda has welcomed recognition from British Prime Minister David Cameron that it is not a tax haven...'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429221/Argentina-is-disgraceful-and-should-be-kicked-out-of-the-G20-Tory-MP-tells-Commons
'Argentina, Brazil ready efforts against cyber-espionage ~ ...“We will continue to develop the industrial projects we have in common, the UNASUR training aircraft and the freight plane that is being developed in Brazil,” Rossi explained and thanked Brazilian support to Argentina’s position over the sovereignty of the South Atlantic Malvinas Islands.'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429221/Argentina-is-disgraceful-and-should-be-kicked-out-of-the-G20-Tory-MP-tells-Commons
'Supporting Argentina over the Falklands is to support peace'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429221/Argentina-is-disgraceful-and-should-be-kicked-out-of-the-G20-Tory-MP-tells-Commons
'Bring It on the rock, by Jose Felix Perez-Orive Carceller, lawyer ~ ..Our goal is to tame the Gibraltarians. Facilitate this effort which Gibraltarians no longer trust the English. They know that Britain could leave the EU post 2015, or they will need to Spain to readjust it...'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429221/Argentina-is-disgraceful-and-should-be-kicked-out-of-the-G20-Tory-MP-tells-Commons
@9 Anglo: That too can be discussed in a negotiating table, everything is possible.
Sep 13th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some British, resemble the characters in the film the village.
Some Argies, resemble the characters in the tv series THE FLINTSTONES.
Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Do grow up.
@35 Self-determination and decolonisation. Not re-colonisation by a failing state that has NO LEGAL nor MORAL rights to the Falklands. All Argentina has is the 'Great Malvinas Lie.'
Sep 14th, 2013 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 036 golfcronie
Sep 14th, 2013 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was thinking more of “The Planet of the Apes”.
Very strange comments“
Sep 14th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have left the rhetoric statements and moved to design concrete solidarity positions” ??? I think something has been lost in translation here.
And why are they meeting in Havana, capital of a one-party dictatorship without any democracy, free speech a free, press etc. Oh yes of course, because “it enables direct contact with the Malvinas solidarity groups in the region ‘which are the true expression of the peoples”.
I rather think that the only true ”expression of the people” was the Falklands referendum that was held last year.
Perhaps Javier Figueroa has caught Castro-itis, a rare desease often found on small sugar islands the symtoms of which include people starting to beleive theor own florid rhetoric, despite overwhelming evidence of the contrary.
The FCO have a Falkland Island office and guess what? It actually has productive and valid work.
Sep 14th, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the world forums know full well and without reservation that the Falkland Islands wish to remain in free associated with Great Britain as was announced through the referendum and is communicated world wide in all relevant forums.
I wish the hapless Argentine regime strength boring the Latams with the fantasy malvinas.
British gang's going crazy, completely out of control. They're criminals, aren't they?
Sep 14th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://rt.com/op-edge/mi5-woolwich-surveillance-control-896/
41 BOZO
Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you recognise an idiot when you see one? This prat can't even get the photo correct: they have moved to fantastic new offices across the river some years ago. I think he is taking the piss out of you lot but you are too stupid to realise it.
I typed “Argentina government intelligence offices” into my search engine and this came up:
https://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-10037-argentine-journalist-blames-intelligence-agency-creating-plot-discredit-him
Well he was complaining to Clarin, that well known enemy of the state!
I told you how funny you were, now I have proved it.
what plans the Government has to increase the powers available to the Gibraltar Squadron and the Royal Gibraltar Police to deal with incursions into British Gibraltar Territorial Waters.
Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Royal Gibraltar Police powers are a matter of Gibraltar law. The British Government's response to incursions is kept under review, . We take this commitment seriously and we do not rule out any measures that are necessary to defend Gibraltar from a genuine threat to its security or defence. However, while the incursions of the Guardia Civil are an attempt to assert Spain's legal position, they do not weaken or undermine the legal basis for British sovereignty over Gibraltar and British Gibraltar Territorial Waters. Nor are they acts of war.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2013-09-05a.167094.h&s=%22Royal+Navy%22+section%3Awrans#g167094.r0
there you have it..
@41
Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“New evidence suggests that Martin Bormann survived WWII and made his way to Argentina.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_RXyWoIG0
There are no monsters outside, as in the film The village.
Sep 14th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Error. Not it is re-colonization. It is re-integration.
@35. Your government brazenly ran away from talks (not even “negotiations”) in February. And any of the childish, pathetic and invalid rationalizations we've heard as to not wanting to talk to the Islanders on a matter most relevant to their future can't erase the cold hard fact that YOUR government, not the UK, has vacated 2065 -- just as they have vacated taking the case to the ICJ -- and in total, vacated their very claim to the Islands of which they've lied to you for years and years.
Sep 14th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Potted version of the “Chagos story”. There are no, and never have been any, “Chagossians”. The population originated as African slaves imported by the French. Together with Indians and Malays. Not “black” then. But, when slavery was abolished, they became contract workers. Never owned so much as a grain of sand! The islands were owned by a Mauritian company. Britain purchased the islands, not the population. As in any property transaction, if a new owner doesn't want a “tenant”, especially one that hasn't paid any rent, the “tenant” goes. That's all there is to it. The “tenants” even got compensation! Even though the Mauritian government stole the original payment. The subject has now been officially closed. It's over.
Sep 15th, 2013 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Do you understand the term “pre-condition”? Ever read your constitution? Have a read of the First “Temporary Provision”. That's a pre-condition. The wording makes it clear that even deleting the provision would not be enough. It would have to be publicly and irrevocably renounced. The UN would be the best place to do it. There. That didn't need a table, did it? Of course, we'd need suitable penalty clauses. Argieland isn't known for being trustworthy. How about remote control explosive charges? Fixed to anything worth having.
@45 You're going to need to explain how you “re-integrate” something that has NEVER been “integrated”. A temporary stopover by a pirate, a British-authorised commercial venture and an attempt to set up a penal colony don't count as “integration”. What they do count as is attempted theft. So you're not getting them. Ever. And you can get all your latam pals together if you like. One at a time or all together. I reckon the whole of latam couldn't mount enough aircraft to defeat the RAF. Remember 1982? Argieland lost 100 aircraft. The UK lost none. It deployed 28. And when we deploy 380?
@45
Sep 15th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Not it is re-colonization.”
Yes it is. The inhabitants do not want to be Argentine, therefore taking them over would be colonisation.
De-colonising means more self autonomy for the Islanders. Which since 1982 they have been granted.
“It is re-integration.”
The British claimed the Islands by landing in 1690, and settlement in 1765. Jewetts claim in 1820 was not sanctioned by the UP government as they had to read about it in the newspapers-that's like me going to Argentina without permission from the UK government, and claiming Argentina for the UK. Now, I wouldn't waste my time doing that as the Argentines don't want to be British.
The British were happy with commercial settlements on the Falkland Islands but once the bunch of murderers and rapists turned up in 1832, then the UK backed up their claim and RE-INTEGRATED the Islands.
I can't understand how Argentina can insist on claiming Islands from 1820, then ignore a British claim dating back to at least 1765?
If the British claim is invalid, therefore so is the Argentine's claim.
@35
Sep 15th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0In that case Mr T should have shown up then.
You demand negotiations - we set them up - you don't show.
So unless you are actually doing to show up them stop demanding negotiations. And just to clarify - do you actually know what negotiations even are? So for example, what will you bring to the table? What can you offer the islanders that they don't already have?
golfcronie with his hand up. Please,please I know the answer. Ok golfcronie, what is the answer. NOTHING am I right?
Sep 15th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, we have collectively asked this question so many times on here and the Trolls have not answered, because they ( Argentina ) have nothing to offer. Let's see in the next 12 hrs how many answers we get.
What can you offer the islanders that they don't already have?
Sep 15th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm
Corruption , crime waves , riots , threats , blackmail , abuse , intimidation ,
Government big brother, military occupation, high taxes, disappearing oil,
And minerals, huge debts, unemployment, bad education, brainwashing, indoctrination,
[ oh, and CFK ]
Justa joka…lol..
.
@48 Pete Bog:
Sep 15th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you are forgetting about the migrating birds Pete
...and the Pope, don't forget the Pope (but do forget that he didn't give ANY of South America to Argentineans)
or how close (ahem??) the Falklands are to Terra del Fuego. I still can't get my head around what a (bogus) claim via the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata has got to do with Terra del Fuego...clutching at straws spring to mind.
@50 golfcronie
Sep 15th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Foreign Office Minister Alistair Burt said that “This Government has always been clear that it would like a full, bilateral relationship with Argentina. As a country full of natural resources, Argentina has the potential to be a key trading partner with the United Kingdom in the future.” Apparently Argentina is a country full of natural resources and blah blah someone is wrong, and I guess that's Mr Alistair Birt.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/13/falklands-despite-mps-criticisms-uk-government-wants-full-bilateral-relationship-with-argentina#comments
@53
Sep 16th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, We were talking about the FALKLAND ISLANDS. Again what can Argentina bring to the table and negociate ref THE FALKLAND ISLANDS. Of course we want bilateral relations with Argentina ( just lip service I expect ) Keep your friends close but your enemy even closer. When do you think Argentina is going to say sorry to the inhabitants of the FALKLAND ISLANDS?
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My posting @50
Sep 16th, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No answers from the Argy trolls, so nothing that Argy can bring to the table
Is more of the same, this issue is an instance for the leftist slacks that fulfill latam parliaments to shake their tongues about this and make some noise in the media. But the common guys in south america really don´t care about it.
Sep 16th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52
Sep 21st, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0screen name
I have indeed forgot about that factor that has solved so may sovereignty disputes throughout the world-the migrating birds!
I forgot also that as there are still Argentine mines on the Falklands, this, using Argentine, logic, also gives them a claim on the islands.
The Argentines could be gifted these areas and have little huts where their appointed governors could fly the Argy flag. They could be dropped off and picked up by winch men from their Pampero helicopters.
Though if the mines are removed, bang goes their claim.
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