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Argentina will again be 'a normal country', when Cristina Fernandez is out of the political stage
Uruguayan former president Jorge Batlle (2000/2005) said on Facebook that Argentina will again “be a normal country” when President Cristina Fernandez “disappears from the political stage”. And when this happens “the Argentines are going to be happier and as a consequence so will we”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHas Argentina ever been normal?
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or does he mean less of a basket case than it currently is?
the 2nd, they'll still have peronists just not the current load of completely moronic incompetent peronists.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Argentina was OK until the 1940s, apart from the genocides etc.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0It then went into a paroxysm of State worship and its political classes imagined that government and more of it done the right way could solve anything, whether by bombing each other, printing money, or throwing nuns out of helicopters or starting aggressive war. It is not unlike a lot of countries, which have had vicious rules, the UK in recent times for example, it's just that its condition is chronic, and after a lifetime of idiotic ideas dominating the country, the voice of reason is rarely heard.
@3
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Vicious rules in the UK”, explain?
This guy has absolutely hit the nail on the head. Mujica has made the fatal error of thinking subservience would win points with a bully. It doesn't, all that has happened is that Argentina has lost respect for Uruguay and simply sees them as inconsequential and takes them for granted.
You are either a leader orca follower and Mujica has only ever shown himself to be a follower!
Yes Britworker, after reading your comments, I'm sure this disgrace of a Battle would most surely please your ideas.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Luckily, we got rid of him and this is about all the media attention he gets...
Until the next ruler breaks the backs of the Unions and “teaches” people to work and be honest Argentina is doomed to continued failure.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look to the last 75 yrs to see what the next 75 years will bring.
@ 6 yankeeboy
Nov 01st, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would also add that part of 'honesty' would be the teaching' of 'true' history, i.e. that supported by their own archives, not the dreams of Peronistas.
BatLle must of being reading CabezaDura’s comments on MP and taking note :-)
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0… I could not agree more
Very optimistic opinion. Argentina, I fear, is not a normal country anymore.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@LEPRecon
Long ago, before Peron, it was. Not that Peron has done something bad, just on the timeframe.
86 yrs old, you would have thought that he would have learnt by now that Argentina will never be a NORMAL country.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 Stevie
Nov 01st, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You got rid of someone who cleared the shit up after the stupid, stupid, Tupas let the Military in?
I know I was not there but here is my summation of the a Wiki entry:
During the period of civilian-military administration in Uruguay (1973–1985), Dr. Batlle did not occupy any legislative or official position, having been banished from political activity by decree. BUT HE WAS NOT A TUPAS, he was a Colorado, whoopee!
Early in his term, he called for the legalization of drugs as a means to stop trafficking and money laundering JUST LIKE THE FABLED PEPE!
He took office at a particularly difficult moment in the country’s life, as he pointed out in his inaugural address, when he stressed the need “to take Uruguay into the real world.” Batlle's determination to reduce public spending, aimed at preserving the macroeconomic balance, made it possible for Uruguay to be highly regarded as a country with a sound management of its economic affairs. HE DEMONSTRATED HE COULD RUN THE ECONOMY!
His administration had to deal with a foot-and-mouth disease outbreak, which threatened access of Uruguayan beef to international markets. Before the end of his term, Uruguay had re-gained disease-free status. TOUGH TIME.
He was also in favor of the creation of the Free Trade Association of the Americas (FTAA). As President, Batlle was firmly set against protectionism and subsidies of any kind; he has been a consistent spokesman for unhampered free trade. HE WASN’T A COMMIE!
Otherwise a strong ally of the US, Batlle's position on drugs stood in stark contrast to the measures enforced in the US by President George W. Bush. OH, I SEE WHY YOU DISLIKE HIM HE LIVED IN THE REAL WORLD!
Argentina has gone through six coups, I think. That is too much for a country that thinks is superior than their neighbors. I wonder what they'd look like if they didn't get rid of their african and native populations.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't come across many normal Argies on here. Quite a few supercilious tossers, but who's to say they aren't the same creep.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 013) I think you are taking things a bit too “serious”, Be serious. However, not that you actually have something serious to say either
Nov 01st, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina will be gone, the parasitic class that supported her will remain.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will be normal when there are no more foreigners to guard against.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 016) TTP
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You always put the blame on the foreigners so what do you make of this. Batlle could not say it better 10 years ago, I'm afraid. That is assuming you can understand Spanish...
“En vez de mirar a su pais en serio, las miran al revez...., es la gran tragedia argentina”
Also listen carefully to 0:30 onwards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuJzJadl1Nw
Toby has obviously reached the end of what he can contribute.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor lad
and he'll be poorer next year
maybe dumber if he continues to play in the Soy fields while they are spraying.
@17
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who are foreigners to tell us anything? How are they doing? Mostly worse than us (rest of Latin America, Africa, India, most of Asia), except those rhat still hang on to a higher living standard but are quickly sliding to mediocriry, i.e. Europe and the USA.
“Argentina will be normal when there are no more foreigners to guard against.”
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So never!
I'm asking you is........... what do you make of Batlle's truthful remaks?
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have already depicted his remarks as “truthful”, so I fail to see the point of this exercise.
Yet it seems many argentines remember and agree with him(check comment section), how can this be a foreing conspiracy??
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1634558-jorge-batlle-la-argentina-sera-un-pais-normal-cuando-cristina-desaparezca-de-la-escena
You dont understand a word of Spanish isn't it??
I can speak far better Spanish than you can Cabezadura, but I'm in no mood to vaunt which is why I was circumventing you asseveration.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have made no comment on whether other argentines agree with him or not, that is their prerrogative.
Yeah raised for life in Canada you can speak better spanish than I can... Sure.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If many Argentines agree with him then your theory is not very well adapted is it??
(17) CabezaDura
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Revés” spells with an “S”, pedazo de burro!
http://www.me.gov.ar/efeme/mewalsh/elreino.html
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Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uyuyuyyy......
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Senojoeltobysenojó.... ;-)
Wow, you have touched my heart. Far too formal for Argentine Spanish.. But what do you plan to do with the politicians and thiefs that rob us and f&%ck up everything, those that are the main problem here ?? Just like Batlle points out
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can blow everyone here out of the water not only with my English, Spanish, French, German, Portuguese skills, panoply of vocabulary and grammatical command and acumen (and soon elementary Chinese), but also, if I so wanted, with EXTREMELY intelligent argumentation, adducing, and debate.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even my most obstreperous opponents and detracters have admitted to my command of language, vocabulary, and that at one time way back, before the Common TTT Era, I provided very noetic and refreshing debate and viewpoints.
Then I decided that pigs cannot be fed caviar, so I became manure (intellectually speaking) to blend a more apposite fashion with the preponderant social layer that participates in this forum.
(29) CabezaDura
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Estequeexcuseme Mr CabezaDura but.....
1) It is more than evident that Toby is Argentinean and knows his grammar and “subjuntivos” better than you......
2) If I remember correctly Mr. Battle included “All Argentines” in his stupid rebuff..... That would include your Mamá, your Papá, your Hermana and yourself…… Do you still agree with him?
30 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WOW!!! If past performances are anything to go by, we are all still waiting to be, how did you put it? oh yeah :-
“ blown out of the water with EXTREMELY intelligent argumentation, adducing, and debate. ”
You sure got all the boxes ticked dontcha huh?? deluded aaannnddd you are La Campora's little b*tch. ha, ha!!!
You sure do like blowing your own trumpet don't you? all those pent up frustrations have to go somewhere don't they son??
I bet there has been many a night that you have been “Blowing your own trumpet” of an evening huh??
Fortunately, no one on here believes the lies that you tell........ I wonder if you still do..........
Que talco! Se agrando Chacarita..... I can brag sometimes but I’m never serious about it most ofthestuff gets lost in translation, it happens that I get bored of being always right from time to time, but you definitely beat me on that one
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, champ I'm still waiting to see you adress real Argentine issues for a change, do you think that this is a battlefield and that any argument or difference you may have with Argentines may be picked up by the enemies of Argentina and used against ...That is so sad if you are really serious about it
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Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think I dont even trust my shadow... Batlle is right
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, he is not......
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is wrong also??
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZJ_aPADCQE
@30 hey TTT you forgot Canadian, remember the place where you've lived most of your life, under the realm of Her Majesty The Queen.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 aren't you a foreigner in Canada
@29 He can't do anything for you as he won't go home, to scared? I don't know, something to hide? I don't know. A troll paid by la campora Probably
38) Dont be so harsh on him, he is not a Camporista, he will probably feel like Scarlet Johansson in An American Rhapsody (2001) when she travels to Budapest.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 bet he don't look like Scarlett Johansson....................................or does he?
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, you guys.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT does not support the current government of Argentina, he has said so on here and I believe him.
40) I dont know, but If TTT is a she and does look like Scarlett Johansson then she is always welcome to come back and do some soul searching....
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have already send Luisano Lopilato over there, they might as well send some equivalent back...
@41 we know Elaine he/she supports the current government of Canada, however if he looks like oor Scarlett the house next door to me is up for sale
Nov 01st, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 30 The BigNostrils PaTroll
Nov 01st, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I can blow everyone here out of the water”
that explains a lot - you are drowning and clutching at straws.
Does anyone else remember when Toby used to create new characters to support his horrible weak arguments? He would pick an area like Africa or Brazil then lo and behold a new persona would appear that supports Toby's wild and unsupported claims and call him brilliant! Then they'd vanish when the thread was over and he'd lost the debate.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, You are one of the worst debaters on the site and you are too poorly educated to realize it. Language classes don't teach you reason or critical thinking. You've got a long long way to go before anyone would think you are smart.
Think, How come you're not posting the Blue Peso rate or the Merval any longer? Do you think there will be riots with the all the new products coming off of the price freeze? There is still plenty of time to get the inflation rate closer to 40% than 30% as I've predicted. Plenty of time.
@yankeeBobo
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ready for USA default II episode?
I will be so quiet if I would be you...
Dany, Hows the Blue Peso? What about the exchange rate in Hotels, Restaurants and Retail Stores? Over 12 yet?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha
Methinks you may have mistyped USA when you meant Argentina. I don't remember a Default I for the USA but I do remember 2001. And guess what, this next IMPLOSION in Argentina will be much worse than in 2001 much much worse.
@yankeeboy
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't remember a Default I for the USA”
Well just wait an see...
Dany, You'll be long dead before you'd ever see the USA default.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long dead.
BTW, What is the U$ exchange rate in Hotels? 12? 15? higher? I heard there's going to be a few new gov't exchange rates coming too. Just like your brothers in Venezuela, its worked so well for them. That's a great model to follow. Too bad they have oil and you have Soy. I think Soy will be close to U$400/ton this year. Isn't that break even in Argentina?
That'll make it pretty hard to buy fuel.
Pretty hard indeed.
“will be much worse than 2001 much much much worse”
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've finally figured out who yankeeboy really is
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/a/u/62ef9822aa.jpg
@16
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AMEN TO THAT. I hope that all the foreigners pull out of Argentina and take all their investments with them. Then Argentina can be genuainly isolated, as TTT would like it to be. I agree with you totally TTT. Lets see how you would fare in that situation.
@51
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, then individual citizens can decide if they want to interact with foreigners. I have never said isolationism in every way and at every level. Only that the ARGENTINE GOVERNMENT stay away from friendships and treaties with foreign nations, and that foreigners have no influence in our internal policies.
If my neighbor wants to marry a foreigner, fine. If another wants to travel the world, ok too. But the government should not get involved in “treaties and accords that later are not to disintangle”.
@16
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina will be normal when there are no more foreigners to guard against.”
Like China?
So oh bright one, why would a anyone invest in Argentina without an established trade/investment treaty backed by it's own country?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't that be risky?
The rules of the game changes at the whim of the corrupted and incompetent gov't in that banana republic you call home.
2001 is going to look like the good ol'days
Buy sugar toby, buy sugar
@52
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try this - might help ; )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24734296
Did I not hit the nail on the head in finding this picture of yankeeboy? Everyone must admit that.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/a/u/62ef9822aa.jpg
@56
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your link doesn't work. Try prevoius advice for “hitting nails on head” ...
56 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I think that is you.
Young, dumb looking, cheaply clothed male: I claim my US $10!
@58
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup - I think you're a winner!
People ignore TTT he has not and does not speak for rgenweener he has not lived their for years, he lives in Canada under the realm of Her Majesty. He is without doubt a loser and a troll do not give it your time
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you can't disqualify the argument, disqualify the man.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boy, you lads are getting old indeed...
@61 oh that was spooky stevie turned up just after I posted, what time is it in Canada?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I'm from Canada...
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slazzz, here, have a cucurucho.
It's solid gold.
“If you can't disqualify the argument, disqualify the man.”
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing that you wouldn't know about Stevie & Think
Cabeza
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I disqualified your statistics.
I disqualified your language.
I did not disqualify you. You did.
I gave you a hug...
@64 I had to laugh at that comment from Stevie because that is exactly the modus operandi of the kirchnerites on here. The lengths they went to trying to discredit me, not what I said but me, when I first started posting here was extraordinary. Far from dissuading me from posting it just encouraged me and was very entertaining.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be the modus operandi in general then, Elaine. Because it's amazing how people think that just because an Argentine lives in lets say Canada, has weaker arguments about Argentina than a Brit living in Britain.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a logic I fail to grasp...
@66 ElaineB LOL....I know, they must feel more comfortable by doing so.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if they can’t attack you they will attack your sources if you don’t like the evidence put forward against them.
Another one they do…. talk the hind leg of a donkey of everything they can. It’s so hard to get them remaining on the point of the discussion as they immediately deflect whenever they can.
You just deflected to deflection...
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uhhhhhhhhh ............ Those poor, misunderstood little sausages.........
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ElaineB, shoes and happy pills fetishist, with her numerous Argentinean friends, sooooo afraid of la negrada that they don't dare to leave their semipisos in Recoleta....
And CabezaDura, Gorilín de Bachin that finds it so hard to remain on the point of a discussion about Uruguayan ex-president Battle without immediately deflecting to Catamarca's Barrionuevo.....
@66 what is beyond me is that Stevie is complacent with the actions of the Argentine government against his own country.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is more kirchnerite than the Argentine Ks. You talk to Think (though they don’t openly admit they shift sides) and others here and its clear they won’t support a Kirchnerite candidate in 2015, instead they will go for a left wing coalition Binner or whoever leads them. The same can be said about the more Peronist supporters who will deflect to Massa or others.
Quite logical I may add, because any of the kirchner camp outside the dynasty hasn’t got sufficient background or credentials to hold them together, they have nothing they have achieved by themselves to inherit power per se. Yet Stevie who is Uruguayan and doesn’t understand this and still fervently dreams of a neo kirchnerite candidate in 2015
Elaine. I thought you were let gently into the community and afforded the respect that your comments demanded during those early months.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comments have always been informative, and only rarely confrontational or rude.
More than anybody else, you have effectively side-lined my friend Think through the deployment of a sound knowledge of world events through time.
(72) GeoffWard2
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trying to provoke me again huhh?
You Namby Pamby Social Darwinist ;-)
Would you please direct me to one of Elaine's “ deployments of sound knowledge of world events through time”?
My old, rusty memory doesn't seem to have registered any of those....
Thanks in advance
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
@72 Why, thank you kind sir.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I took a fair amount of attacks in the early days and all of them personal rather than focusing on the subject of discussion. I was called many names all designed to entice me to reveal something of myself. Think @ 70 is trying again to categorise me and failing miserably.
Ah, but, if they only knew...........
I'm not too optimistic about Argentina becoming a “normal” country. Peronism is too strong and enjoys the blind support of the majority, just like German Nazism in the 1930s. I hope the population of Argentina doesn't have to suffer a war to become more politically sophisticated.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, but, if they only knew...........
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've got it.......you are.........CabezaDura ?
Elaine #74,
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you, like everybody else on this site, hides their identity and background - more or less completely.
I feel no such inhibition. Indeed I feel no need to dissemble.
I guess its a function of old age and the release from life's constraints.
By this token, Elaine, you must be so much younger than I - and with so much of you that has to be behind the veils. Isolde also.
But why, oh why, need Think - a man in his dotage and beyond influence - hide so much of his persona?
@78 I have no idea.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with revealing too much is that the Kirchnerites spend all their time focusing on that rather than offering any kind of contribution to debate. I genuinely want to hear their point of view in relation to their politics and support of the current Argentine government. Unfortunately they don't really offer anything beyond attacking people on a personal level or distraction. But I guess that speaks volumes.
@78 Though I can take being compared to you like a complement from A_Voice/Think… I’m afraid that with the credentials people say you have you seem a bit scary…
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79 LOL! Yes, terrifying. (not)
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are a few people that post and use many different names, sometimes in the same thread. They think everyone does it. I don't. :)
“Unfortunately they don't really offer anything beyond attacking people on a personal level or distraction.”
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I could swear you are talking about the Brits represented here...
....for a moment there, I thought I'd been rumbled. Then I thought...when have I ever distracted people?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's everyone else she's referring to.....obviously!
Now ...did I ever tell you I have Russian relatives and that I play the bagpipes?
@80 What I mean is that you travel around the world, often to South America, you travel to Washington D.C, you are very interested in local politics to be a business woman for what I see, you are “influential”, etc….The only relief I have is in the belief that if you were MI6 you would not be posting on MercoPress, but then who knows what MI6 agents do… ;-)
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@83 Well, I confess, the 'B' does stand for 'Bond'.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@84 No….. You wouldn’t go around with the first capital letter of your real surname. Don’t the capital letters stand for each agent’s identification code like “M” or “Q”??
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you can see I got inspired of reading “Britain sleepwalks into a surveillance state” thread...
@82 we know you play the bagpipes you live in Scotland
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 086
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha bloody ha....and if I played the Sitar..that means I live in India.....
Surprisingly enough I knew the guy who James Bond was based on...believe it or not..
87) Dont tell me Ian Fleming got inspired from someone living undercover as simple fisherman in Comodoro Rivadavia, Chubut
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A NORMAL COUNTRY ACCORDING TO MY OPINION.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although i don't like talking about the expressions of reactionary people like this guy, i think it would be interesting to discuss about what a normal country is, in fact, he could have given an opinion of what's a normal country for him, i have no doubt that fortunatelly our opinions will be very different.
In my opinion, a normal country is the one which has important progresses in all the aspects, a country where people has a great participation in all the decisions, a nation where there are not such big social assimetries, a country which takes it's own decisions without any foreign intervention, a country where education is the toll which gives people the opportunity to progress, a country where politicians are brave enough in order to confront with economic power, with the purpose of protecting the interests of popular majorities, a country where human rights are respected, and where all those citizens who commit delits, are judged and sentenced, beyond their social status.
I am not asking so much, and although argentina could progress in many issues, especially in social terms in the last ten years, it still has a mountain of serious problematics which must be solved.
Finally, somebody tell that guy that c. f. k's party didn't lose the elections, argentina is not just buenos aires, santa fe, córdoba and capital fderal, it has 19 more jurisdictions, and although him and some other people don't like hearing this, after 10 years of rulling argentina, f. p. v. is still the most voted political party of the country, which is a privilege that not many political parties around the world can have, beside, the electoral result gave c. f. k. the opportunity of retaining enough majorities in both chambers. Anyway, it's understandable whether he likes macri or massa, because if one of them win in 2015, they'll be the guarantee that arg. will be again u. s. a's backyard.
88
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-))))
No he died in 96 he was...Sir Fitzroy Maclean, 1st Baronet and lived about 20 miles from where Clyde15 says he was born....
Small world....I often chat with his son and daughter in law...she's American.
90) A small world indeed…. After all you came across a Boca Juniors fan (wearing a bostero T-shirt?) in the Scottish Autumn, yeah just right out of your door…What a coincidence shortly after the River-Boca match.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should learn how to troll an account from Elaine, at least when she made this one she takes consideration into infinite details in making me from bad English to posting very crass Argentine videos on YT and expressions like “Se agrando Chacarita”…
Have a fight with Think from time to time, exchange opinions and expressions like normal people do from time to time, disagree on something, I dont know but try to make yourself more believable, please because you are insulting us if you are too fake
CD I'm sure that I'm not alone in thinking.......WTF are you talking about?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there is anyone out there that understood that post...please tell me!
Hey Think if you are about...what is he talking about?
@92 Ha ha ha ha...... Wait dont bring over Think straight away, dont be too obvious.....Wait, give it some hours maybe, then select Think and make “him” explain to you what you already know...LOL
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Cd....it's your tail, you've got to understand this......stop chasing it!
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok...anyone on the thread understand that?..Is he saying that Elaine is a Troll?
and has multiple accounts.....I'm not following you at all???
Fine if you think I'm Think...lots do...but the rest?..Stay off the mushrooms...
(92) A_Voice
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask me...:
“Hey Think if you are about...what is he talking about”
I say...:
I “Think” he may have drunk a couple of liters of Termidor. ( The Argie stuff, not the Aussie ;-)
95 Think
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...Well that's fair enough...it is Saturday night after all...
BTW...(Litres) ;-)
(96) A_Voice
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, my bad……
I do write with fluency and ignorance in diverse languages…..
You seem a quite nervous when you overact this.... When you say that I’m into mushrooms or I’m drunk with your other account you are basically attacking me with the same strategy from both of your accounts. You prefer to skip and not address what I'm actually accusing you of.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it is serious because a double account confirms a profound recognition in one's arguments weakness and a lack of confidence in your own beliefs and opinions; this can’t be interpreted any other way.
I was surprised many here where so sure that you were the same guy, now I've got not many doubts left at all that you are a double account...
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Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...or a double agent....you would like that I bet.....
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW...not many doubts means..some doubt!
I merely accepted the explanation that you were confused...it happens...especially with a couple of pints...
I still have no idea what you were talking about...
(100) A_Voice
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One minute late today, mate ;-)
Weird....
@90
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again. James Bond was based on Buffy Dunderdale.
101 Think
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes I know.... I'll try to do better
To be fair though I'm fighting historical buffs on other threads...;-)
99) Más claro que el agua M'hijo.... Now seriously, forget “A_Voice” that one is already burned. Mi recommendation is that you make a new one, stage differences with him, don’t be too obvious.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timing is important too.
You focus too much on the format of the comment style but that’s not enough. Also if you are going to make him a foreign character, have him be a bit more suspicious and not so complacent with CFK.
PS: Dont bother about the liters/litres correction in this context you are clearly making an desperate effort. Just forget A_Voice.... Haceme caso.
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Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Litres....English.....Liters Yank....Both right
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Foreign Character.....You are Foreign!!
Do you know what your problem is CD.....you think you are smart....but you are not...sorry!...also very insecure......
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1480940/Veronica-Lady-Maclean-of-Dunconnel.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1480940/Veronica-Lady-Maclean-of-Dunconnel.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1480940/Veronica-Lady-Maclean-of-Dunconnel.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1480940/Veronica-Lady-Maclean-of-Dunconnel.html
I am not wrong there is no proof either way....did you know Buffy Dunderdale?
...no I thought not...
How is your new account going? Thought of its name yet??
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about A_Voice
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like a good one.....no nationality..no country to trash, it's just a voice.
...I like it.
“A _World_Citizen” or simply “World_Citizen” would be more like what you are looking for...The problem with “A_Voice” is that it’s a very biased and coincidental voice.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0In what way biased?
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0and what is wrong with being biased...did I say an Impartial Voice...no, a voice that can say whatever I want and support whoever I wish.
Even you have resorted to attacking a country that you associated with this voice.
It doesn't work.....I could care less.
All you can do is attack or refute what I say....and that is all...
BTW.....they will never accept you....you are just another latino to be trashed whatever you agree with and whatever your views are....get used to it...
If your names not down you're not coming in....
111)
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0That’s OK I have no intention of doing so. I don’t need to join nor be accepted by anyone in MercoPress. LOL !! Is it that you do?? Now that doesn’t mean I can have a good faith and positive exchange with other users.
I can assure you that every time they have tried to trash my country and my persona on this base they have always ended up being much humbled to say the least. I don’t want to brag but can we say the same about the other Argentines like you? I don’t think so.
However there is a fundamental problem both sides have here, and that is they don’t recognize that someone is an actual free thinker. They have a desperate need to brand everyone on a group or political bag. I was branded nationalist, sepoy, gorila and even Kirchnerist here, everything you can think of, so there for I believe that is a very good measure and proof that I’m balanced.
I can be right wing in some things, left wing in others for that matter(For example, something I haven’t said so far is that I distrust the love that MP and the general users here have for rich businessmen and the way they wet their pants about their opinions). I hold both conservative and liberal views on different matters but I don’t see this as a battlefield like the rest of you do.
hahaha I gotta go..it's past my bedtime.....“other Argentines like me” You have no idea of my Nationality, just like everyone else...
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0..but remember one thing...tell me the last time I trashed your nationality in an argument......that's right...I haven't.
I'll also tell you why I have never attacked Mr Think.....because he has never attacked me....
That's how it goes with me...I retaliate only after provocation......
Goodnight.....
This guy spends more time defending a Nazi than attacking Argentina...
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 084 ElaineB
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0And there I was, imagining the “B” stood for “Busty”: all in the best possible taste! :o)
@115 LOL!
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@111 “BTW.....they will never accept you....you are just another latino to be trashed whatever you agree with and whatever your views are....get used to it...
If your names not down you're not coming in....”
Gosh, is that really how you see it here? A club you can't join or be accepted to? Latino bashing?
OK there are some pretty nasty comments flying around from time to time from all directions. I suggest you ignore them. This is not a club, just a comments board for debating.
Thanks for your response to my #77, Elaine. Very consistent.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your replies, Thinks, all of you.
Are we any the wiser? Not one jot!
Sorry for this little diversion into posters rather than postings ... unproductive experience ... will stick to the topics in future.
Somebody isn't having much luck with the powers that be. Not to worry probably just a load of supercilious tosh.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The London School of Economics announces Cristina Fernandes de Kirchner is to be the next Vice Chancellor . There was a rival from the Harvard Business School , but CFK chose London due it's better shopping and proximity to her Swiss bank accounts .
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0A spokesman for LSE said “ Mrs Kirchner can actually make inflation disappear by decree , and has shown that it is not necessary to burden people with education , work , security or ambition ” .
“Not since the times of Nero has anyone tried to run an economy based on free food and games ” the spokesman continued .
Economy minister Moreno has suggested stepping the project up a gear by throwing opponents to the lions but due to a lack of foreign currency reserves , lions cannot be imported. Import substitution in the form of pumas was tried , but they were found to be too lazy to chase and eat people , or readily accepted bribes from the victims not to leave their cages .
@119 LOL.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@119 . Great to have someone with a sense of humour. BTW your alternative version of the River Plate battle was a gem and I really got a great laugh from it.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks
Got a call from my relative-in-law in Sao Paulo (a postgrad from the LSE).
Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What's this I hear about CFK becoming the next Vice Chancellor??!!”
Amazing how things go slightly viral.
That's the trouble with the internet, then word of mouth ...
There can be some fun to be had , that's for sure .
Nov 05th, 2013 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You got me F@cked now! Lyrics (David CaMoron & George OsNoborn) Musik Rolling Stones
Nov 05th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84PETdu743A
I was a British proud and rich
I’ve got no job and no Quids to eat
I was a Lion and King of the seas
Now people call me pussy and expat overseas
Hey, hey you got me begging now
Hey, hey you got me begging now
Hey, hey you got me begging now
I was Soldier always ready for flames
Bloody Camoron no carriers no planes
I was a fighter ready to fight
Bloody CaMoron no a single bullet to survive
Hey, hey you got me running now
Hey, hey you got me running now
Hey, hey there ain't no stopping me
Hey, hey you got me running now
Hey, hey you got me running now
Hey, hey you got me running now
I was a banker without money to invest
I am an idiot that cannot pay my debts
I was smart and funny indeed
I’m just tired of shooting on my feet
Hey, hey you got me lying now
Hey, hey you got me lying now
Hey, hey there ain't no stopping me
Hey, hey you got me lying now
Hey, hey you got me lying now
Hey, hey you got me lying now
Hey, hey you got me lying now
Hey, hey you got me voting CaMoron now
Hey, hey you got me eating kebabs now
Hey, hey you got me voting CaMoron now
Hey, hey you got me eating kebabs now
Much as it sticks in my craw to agree with V, the evidence is reasonably conclusive that Sir Fitzroy MacLean was used as the model for James Bond. If anything, Sir Fiztroy did it for real.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I met the man in person at the Creggans Inn at Strachur in 1990. My wife and I were waiting in the bar for dinner to be served when he came in acting as “mine host”. I mentioned that I was a MacLean on my mother's side and we talked for a while before dinner was called.
The dinner of course was excellent as it always was in Lady MacLean's day. Unfortunately the Creggans has lost its appeal now since it was taken over. We had a bar supper there about two years ago and it was not up to much, so we have given the place a miss since then.
#124
Dany, with your gift for poetry, you will be challenging the great Scottish poet, William Topaz Mcgonagall.
I suppose your aversion to kebabs and Muslims is because of your Jewish ancestry ...Dany Berger . Sounds Jewish to me.
Sounds like a character from Leon Uris's book Exodus.
You must have a bit of the Red Sea Pedestrian in your family tree.
Are kebabs not kosher ?
Again, you could be a West Indian.
I remember when you said that you hung out with “West Indians” in London kicking white ass.....if you had an Anglo/Latam background you would not have been able to do that.
Anyway keep up your postings......they give me a much needed feeling of superiority.
@Clyde15
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You asked you have it... enjoy it... ha ha
When the Bankers they come
(Lyrics by Lord King, Shalom Bernanke, Musik Jimmy Cliff)
Featuring Clyde15 (vocals)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK-iftJh_tA
They told me about the SIVs made from thin air
Waiting for me when I retire
But between the day I bough them and credit crunch
Just misery was for me and even more punch
So as sure the market will rise
I will never gonna get back what’s mine
And then the Bankers will come we’ll fall, one and all
Ooh the Bankers will come we’ll fall, one and all
When the Bobbies come for my house
I will receive them with applause
If they think I have made something wrong
I will say excuse me sir I’m just another clown
but as sure the market will rise
I will never gonna get back what’s mine
And then the Bankers will come we’ll fall, one and all
Ooh the Bankers will come we’ll fall, one and all
ooh yeah oh yeah woh yeah ooooh...
I will not keep fighting for the things I want
Coz I know that when you're dead you can't
so I prefer to be another Brit expat
than remain in Britain and eat my cat
So as sure the market will rise
I will never gonna get back what’s mine
And then the Bankers will come we’ll fall, one and all
Ooh the Bankers will come we’ll fall, one and all
#126
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the relevance is ??????
Battle thougfht he was running a normal country, and its economy collapsed under the weight of its neoliberalism! No return to the “normality” of rule of the rich by the rich for the rich. Cristinita in or out of office will remain a force to be reckoned with, as will a people that to quote the Who song “won't get fooled again”...
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Um Cristina is one if the richest women in Argentina.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks to the Argentinean taxpayer.
@Anglotino
Nov 08th, 2013 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, she is not even close to the richest women in Argiland only U$s8m assets
While women like Maria Ines Lafuente Lacroze holds something more than U$s1.2bn
So I guess Maria can buy your entire royal family with just a single check.
#130 Indeed, while everything about Cristina's background (daughter of a bus driver, student activist, provincial lawyer) would make her in the eyes of someone like Battle, the great grandson, nephew and son of various presidents if I remember right, see her as a social inferior. Thats probably part of his bile, he still thinks she should be the maid...
Nov 08th, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0US$8 million.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh God please stop....... I can't laugh anymore.
Even Cristina admits to more than that.
Which shows two things! That both of you are sycophantic idiots that are so enamoured with CFK that you can't even bring yourself to read facts that she vomits up as her twisted version of the truth and are woefully incapable of even thinking independently by looking past the propaganda.
Which is why pretty much everything you write on here is also a load of crap that not even Argentineans can bring themselves to agree with.
Either way she is rich which means that she rules for the rich as per British_Kirchnerist's above post. But her rich friends will protect her when she retires.
That the “normality” of rule of the rich by the rich for the rich.
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