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Botnia/UPM controversy: Argentina retaliates delaying Uruguayan exports

Monday, November 4th 2013 - 06:01 UTC
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Argentina's clash with Uruguay over the Botnia/UPM pulp mill has led to furious retaliations from Buenos Aires severely limiting trade and not allowing Argentine exporters to make use of the port of Montevideo for transshipment. Read full article

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  • Stevie

    Export sales to Argentina indeed dropped 20%.
    What MP doesn't tell is that Uruguayan overall exports increased 8%.

    Uruguay is diversifying its exportation, something crucial to avoid any impacts decisions like this could have.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Taiwan is China's renegade province.
    Not independent but acts as if it is.

    Uruguay is Argentina's renegade province.
    Independent and yet acts as if it isn't.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    “The strong bellicose attitude towards Uruguay apparently helped recover the city for the Victory Front, but now somehow the Argentine government is forced to deliver something more than rhetoric.”

    There is nothing more damaging to Argentina in the long run than its propensity for bellicose posturing.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Latam solidarity at its best, you couldn't make this s**t up.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • macsilvinho

    2 Anglotino You must go back to school: Uruguay is an independent country. Taiwan belonged to China before the comunists took powers and to this day is completely independent from mainland China with its own governtment, laws, and capitalist, maybe a reoccupaction by force may change its status, unprobable to this day. Argentina is always trying to show some inflence to keep attention of its own people to its internal problems.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    Bodes well for Mercosur/EU negotiations on free trade..........
    Brazil and Uruguay should get out of Mercosur and do their own thing.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    It won't be a complete loss to Uruguay the stupid, stupid argies have just made the situation worse for their importers who will have to pay hefty storage fees for each container held up by their Aduanas to the Port of MVD before they can be released. No payment, no container and the fees increase for each day on the port.

    Nevermind, they can all have a brotherly hug when it's all over. Ha, ha, ha.

    It's about time the argies buried the hatchet, only thing is TMBOA is still hiding from the “operation” so they can't bury it in her head.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”“”“”“”“”“There is nothing more damaging to Argentina in the long run than its propensity for bellicose posturing.”“”“”“”“”

    QFT

    although the low-class antics of TTT and his cronies are doing their share also.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Stevie #1
    '(Uruguay's) export sales to Argentina dropped 20%.
    What MP doesn't tell is that Uruguayan overall exports increased 8%.'

    I guess you mean this is evidence of increasing trade with Brasil.
    Argentina is pushing Uruguay more and more into Brasil's sphere of influence.
    Argentina increasingly means: 'no friends in the Southern Cone'.
    Why is it positioning itself in this way?

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'd say it's evidence of increased trade with China, Geoff...

    And if you ask me why Argentina is taking the road of protectionism, she must have her reasons.
    But what's more important though, is that it's Argentinas decision, not yours or mine.
    Living in a country that is affected by this decision, we can only adapt to the new reality.
    We can't tell Argentina what policies to use, and neither can Europe.
    Especially not when they are using subsidises, farm bills, you name it, in order to achieve the same as Argentina...

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1 But there aren't supposed to be any customs restrictions between mercosur members. So these must be “foreign” imports. And therefore the solution is simple. LAUNCH THE CONTAINERS!!! Remember how argieland refuses to dredge the Martin Garcia channel to a proper depth? So take the “delayed” containers and drop them in the river. Now, here are the options. Drop them each side of the Martin Garcia channel so close together that they help retain water in the channel. Alternatively, sneak them across the river and drop them in the Mitre Canal. Just imagine the surprise of cargo ship captains when their ships get their bows stove in. They might even sink! Would argieland have to pay for not keeping a “navigable” channel clear? Would there be massive oil “spills”? Come on, Pepe. Use the wife's balls again. Pretend you're a man. Still time before CFK gets up and leaves her bed-warmer for a few hours. Perhaps you could become “ill”. Clinically obese would be a good start. Chronic flatulence? Bowed legs? A 9mm hole in the head? Are there any guts in Uruguay? Except for the stuff argies poke through in the hope of finding something valuable? Does this signal a major change of attitude? Will argies quit waiting for Uruguayans to die before scrabbling through their guts? Unlikely. Hasn't argieland been scrabbling through Uruguay's guts since 1828? Ah, yes. Another reason why argieland hates Britain. Who brokered the creation of Uruguay? Seems to suggest that Uruguayans are about as thick as other latinos. Shouldn't you be grateful to a nation that enabled your creation? Does Uruguay deserve to exist? It's an enemy. So who cares?

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My prediction is Uruguay and Brazil will pull out of MercoSur shortly and it will become AlBA south, another worthless collection of failing commie countries.

    Stevie, you are about as Uruguayo as I am. Have you ever been there?

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    yanqui
    That's your only argument
    “you are not who you say you are, hence I'm right”.

    Sure, yanqui.

    Here, have a shouldertap.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Stick a sticker on them saying “ Return to Sender ”, and then let Argentina worry about their imports.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Just give in Uruguay....you know you want to.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    No, that is not my only argument I post a lot and very few are directed your way.

    Based on your total total lack of 1st hand knowledge of SA in general and Uruguay specifically I have to assume you've never been there. If you were really Uruguayo you'd at least be pissed off that CFK craps all over your country every time she gets the chance.

    All you say is Thank you Ma'am may I have another like your stupid weak drunk commie Prez.

    Methinks you are a fraud and a stupid one at that.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    Get some balls Uruguay, we have.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    @7 continued-
    have sent Timerman to fu&k himself. What as Pepe’s gov’t achieved so far by asking permission and giving to many explanations??? Absolutely nothing apart from having Argentine and Uruguayan commerce punished ..

    Uruguay should have just turned its back and waited for another administration to come to power in Argentina to re establish diplomatic relations and sign a new River Uruguay treaty.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    yanqui
    Should CFK's actions upset me, I would most surely not express it here...
    That's what you are here for...

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @20
    Your supposed country, live with it. No skin off our noses, we will pick up the pieces later, we are in for the long haul.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You better be.
    You have aimed for everything, still you hit nothing.
    Here.
    Have a hug.

    ;)

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yankee he is not Uruguayo as I am Russian.....in name and descent only. He is not allowed in Uruguay.....lol....dad was a terrorist and exiled. Now he TRY'S to be a Merchant seaman in Europe.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Besos Querida Toodle pip

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I am from every country you lot say I am. Canada, Russia, Argentina, Sweden, Mozambique, Uruguay, heck even Britain.
    The only thing I am not, is like you lot.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    “The only thing I am not, is like you lot”

    You mean straight???

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Here comes vibaum shouldertapping himself...

    Here, have a necktap.
    Good boy.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    Argentina thanking Uruguay for support in the Falklands question.

    Kirchnerist gratitude is a stab in the back, as usual.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Argentina's 'allies' suffer from Argentine mismanagement.

    Meanwhile the UK is building more bridges, her fingers of influence are everywhere taking advantage of Argentine incompetence. The Empire is fights back. Mwahahaha

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    LOL.... This is quite FUN
    You know the funny thing is I Bing searched for the term “vibaum” for I dont get what you mean by that... I only found 17 results. 2 of which were MercoPress links. The term is only used by the user nicknamed “Guzz”.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/04/28/falklands-budget-enjoys-additional-surplus-boosted-by-the-oil-industry#comment117873

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/04/28/falklands-budget-enjoys-additional-surplus-boosted-by-the-oil-industry#comment117873

    YET ANOTHER TROLL DETECTED

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    @ 30 CabezaDura

    it is very difficult to estimate the real number of Argentine posters.

    Analysis of their (his/hers?) writing indicates 3 or perhaps 4.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Why, Vibaum is you Cabeza.
    Unique.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    Jajajaajajaja….. Exactly not two, three, four, five, etc …… But only one and only CabezaDura, yes….. “Unique”..

    There is many Stevie's arround

    ;-)

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You say so...
    And he's from Canada, and from Sweden, and Russia.
    And Mozambique.
    His name is Guzz, and Dany, and TTT, and Stevie, and Think.

    It's Juan Pueblo.

    And they are telling you to shovel it.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Argentina's clash with Uruguay over the Botnia/UPM pulp mill has led to furious retaliations from Buenos Aires ??????

    Apparently the new Argentina navy is on its way to enforce order,
    The Argentina army is on its way, to restore argentine influence,
    And the Argentine air force is being winded up ready for action.

    CFK calls on her allies for help in restore argentine sovereignty over Uruguay,

    Her mighty power is ever growing out of control,
    Her delusions of imposing her will upon others is hilarious at best..

    Still,
    When is Argentina going to learn that she has no right to impose her demands or will, on others who do not share her dreams.
    Still 2
    Perhaps she thinks she can order up the Chinese navy, up the river to impose her dream..lol

    Just a thought.

    .

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ....

    Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2AvfSTi6Q

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    Dont get nervous you dont need to involve others... What I know with a great degree of certainty is that you are Guzz. Coincidences like that do not exist “Vibaum”.... And Think is A_Voice. This is what I uncovered so far for myself. I don’t know where you live, but you don’t know anything about Argentina

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    No shit Sherlock...nothing to do with everyone else saying so then?
    Maybe you could tell us what happened to the crew of the Mary Celeste..with your amazing deductive powers...
    Maybe not.....I bet you have never been out of Argentina have you...

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Think..get back down the Legion, extended happy hour Mondays...

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    Ohhh I have being outside of Argentina and what has that and Mary Celeste’s crew got to do that with anything?? What are you guys getting so angry about?? It’s you the ones that faked the accounts, and in a way that it is poorly done… LOL!.
    Get over it, or make new ones that are not so truchos.

    Have a nice day

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @36 maggots usually engorge themselves on decaying flesh, Mr Voice.no reflection on you of course

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ...your amazing deductive powers.....and err....one of the great mysteries of our time....the Mary Celeste.....
    So you could........Argh..forget it...if you couldn't work that one out, you are obviously not up for the job......

    41
    Yep no reflection or shadow....I'm just a voice....

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I can tell you this much, Cabeza.
    I never faked an account. Ever.
    I don't feel the need to create an account just to back up what I believe in.
    Had it been for need, a quarter of an account would more than suffice...

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @42
    I solved the mystery of the Marie Celeste, the ships company were all Argies going to recapture the FALKLANDS from the filthy british, but up popped a nuclear powered submarine displaying the Royal Ensign and the Argies all jumped ship, a bit like in 1982, REMEMBER

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    44
    I could be mistaken, but I'm sure it's the Mary Celeste not Marie...that's fictional.

    CD will be now quickly reading up on the Mary Celeste to see what I'm talking about...;-).....yeah ...I've got a handle on you mate....
    Sooo.......jet set are we?

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    A misnomer

    MARY Deare

    MARIE Celeste

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Same scenario, wrong name.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    A-voice mixed up fact and fiction.

    again

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    48
    WTF are you talking about?
    Wiki to my rescue.....”The Mary Celeste (or Marie Céleste as it is fictionally referred to by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and others after him) ”
    http://www.maryceleste.net/

    ...it is you that is mixed up.....a Canadian that thinks he's a Brit......

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    dany
    Just for you Google Earth goto UK search 53 14 36.07 N 2 01 23.09 W a surprise awaits you.

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Tellіng_Trοll

    @CabezaDura

    Guzz IP address:
    87.52.36.73 frederiksberg / Denmark / tdc kabel TV

    Stevie IP address:
    87.52.36.73 frederiksberg / Denmark / tdc kabel TV

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Michael Laudrup
    87.52.36.73 frederiksberg / Denmark / tdc kabel TV

    I have a VPN, TTT, check me up in a sec, I'll be from Germany...

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    How about......just for you....
    Google Earth...
    50°48'49.70“N
    2°28'29.65”W

    Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    If it barks, it wags its tail, its panting, moves in all fours and it looks like a dog, then it is a dog...
    Stevie=Guzz

    Nov 05th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Thank God for Wikidemia, you disembodied fraud

    Nov 05th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Did you feel foolish Troy ?..did Ya' did Ya' I bet you did....
    ...of course a Brit would have known that....but not a wannabe....
    Haha suckered.....should have looked at the clue....no shit “Sherlock”
    ...there's always one....haha....“I could be mistaken”...as if.......;-)))))

    Nov 05th, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    You're certainly childish

    Nov 05th, 2013 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Tell it to the hand....Troy....tell it to the hand.....
    so I was right you do feel embarrassed and foolish....
    .....gotta watch out for those sneaky barbed hooks.
    ...you never can tell when am' gonna land a whooper!.....;-)))

    ....dya' know.... it is all worth it after all...you have made my day...
    gonna go fishing on another thread....you never know...You and Clyde in the same week....I'm on a roll......

    The only difference between Men and Boys
    Is the games they play and the size of their toys...

    Nov 05th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    A-Void

    Sure, hardly compares to the whopper you got called on, “ I can drive to 'my place' in rural Pennsylvania, in 3 hours from Toronto Airport, I've done it many times”! etc.
    LOL, do you remember that??
    Then you furiously back-pedalled, “Uh-oh, I meant from the American side of the border, really I did... ”

    Not to mention consistently averaging 75 mph through rush hour and 2 lane blacktop in rural NY and PA !! etc. etc.
    Lol !!!

    Yes, we know you take pride in lying - and you do get caught out.
    I really don't know why anyone pays you any heed on here.

    :-)

    Nov 05th, 2013 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Tellіng_Trοll

    @52 Guzz
    Right. The important thing is you know we know.

    Ask BK. Oops.

    Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Is that important for me, you say...?

    You think so, don't you?

    ;)

    Nov 06th, 2013 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    hey Stevie....Oh they are all knowing....they think I'm Think......yeah right ;-)
    Mr Think must have a right old laugh at that....
    .....just as you can have a right old laugh at them..

    it's all water off a ducks back to me.....

    59
    ......“Not to mention consistently averaging 75 mph through rush hour and 2 lane blacktop in rural NY and PA !”
    Oooo you little liar...show me where I said that.....and if you can't....what does that mean.....that's right it means.....You are the liar....
    .....I'm waiting.....

    Nov 06th, 2013 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    A_voice
    I am Think too.
    And sometimes, I have to admit, I go frenzy on my autocriticism and yes, I'm conqueror too...

    Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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