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Latam divided on UN Crimea vote; Mercosur, except for Venezuela abstains

Friday, March 28th 2014 - 08:21 UTC
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The UN resolution condemning the annexation of Crimea by Russia which was voted on Thursday at the general assembly showed Latin America (and Mercosur) divided on the issue. The non binding resolution sponsored by Costa Rica and the western powers received 100 votes, with 11 against and 58 abstentions. Read full article

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  • Brasileiro

    The European Union eager to get their hands on the natural resources of Ukraine and expand their economic exploitation, financed and armed uprising against the democratically elected government of Ukraine. European and North-American NGOs acted criminally against poor Ukraine.

    The European Union and the United States make any business to STEAL the wealth of others. They are the real criminals punishable.
    Who will punish them? The UN?

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    You really are a dogmatic brainwashed fool if you believe what you have written. As usual, it is some dastardly plot to overthrow the govt. of the Ukraine. The population were infiltrated by western agents who forced the President out. Isn't it strange that the Ukraine were about to embrace the EU, hoping for future membership and after a visit by the president to see Putin, an about face to hand their country over to Russia.
    Did Putin offer him a deal that he could not refuse ...as in the Godfather ?

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lou Spoo

    I can just picture the scene at the UNGA;

    Argentine representative:
    “Argentina says self-determination for the Falklands breaches Argentine territorial integrity therefore the Falklands referendum is invalid just as the Crimean referendum breaches the integrity of Ukraine and is therefore legal”

    Advisor:
    (whisper, whisper, whisper)

    Argentine representative:
    “I mean the right of self-determination for the Russian speaking population of Crimea to join with Russia is a basic human right just like the English speaking population of the Falklands right to remain with the UK isn’t”

    Advisor:
    (whisper, whisper, whisper)

    Argentine representative:
    “I actually meant to say the UN charter clearly states that a country has the right to impose a referendum in part of another country’s sovereign territory whether that territory’s Government agrees or not, therefore the Crimea referendum is legal………but the Falklands is not”

    Advisor:
    (whisper, whisper, whisper)

    Argentine representative:
    “What do you mean it doesn’t say that?”

    Advisor:
    (whisper, whisper, whisper)

    Argentine representative:
    “Can’t we just lie and hope nobody checks?”

    Advisor:
    (whisper, whisper, whisper)

    Argentine representative:
    “Argentina abstains…………………………., can anyone spare any change?”

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @2
    Do not tell me that you believe in Western virtue! Do not tell me that you believe in Libya's liberation! Do not tell me that you believe in Iraq's liberation! Do not tell me that you believe in Venezuela's liberation!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTUDw0mjMA

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Brasiliero- you do indeed write a load of tripe! I challenge you to come up with HARD evidence of all the support and weapons.?
    You will find that had the Crimea referendum been held by the Kiev Govt in Ukraine - with full international observation - just like the Falklands one was - then US,EU etc would all have 100% supported it.
    But a one sided referendum all done in 2 weeks start to finish is a farce!
    The same farce as is your Govt in Brasil that is to scared to do anything other than sit on the fence and wet itself in the UN Gen Assembly.

    3- you have indeed summed up Christinas total incompetence and dumb stupidity.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    It must be weird to live in a country that is scared of a government changing due to a protest.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Islandier1 - The UN is not a representative organization. How the UN works today, does not matter to Brazil to participate in their fruitless discussions.

    The Western is not worthy of evidence, is worthy of feathers and pieties.

    “Hasta mañana”!

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    All the commies are having a field day. And who cares what VeneCuba thinks. The people of Cuba have been screwed for 60 years and the people of Venezuela are just starting to realize what is going on. The opinions of SA are becoming less and less important in the world order.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Poor Brasileiro, just can't get over the fact that the only pond where Brazil is a big fish is Mercosur.

    It just doesn't count much elsewhere.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    @7

    Then why not withdraw from the UN?

    “The Western is not worthy of evidence, is worthy of feathers and pieties”.

    What ???????????????????????????????????

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Brasilero
    Why do you think so many former USSR nations have joined the EU?

    Are you suggesting that all these nations have been stolen and that their joining the EU has nothing to do with what the people want?

    Of course the EU would like to integrate Ukraine and of course the people of Ukraine are going to want to be part of the EU.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    UK has:
    Akrotiri & Dhekalia (mediterrenean), Anguila, Bermuda, Virgin Is, Cayman, Turks & Caicos, Monserrat (Caribe), Gibraltar (Spain Europe), Pitcairn (pacific), British antarctica, british indian ocean (india), saint helena ascension and trista da cunha in Africa, south georgia and south sandwich and Malvinas of Arg SAM, etc.
    The referendum (bad used by UK) in Malvinas was not accepted by ONU, neither by any country of SAM and many others countries of the world. And even its observertors (payed and partials) cuestioned it, because everybody knew the result.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    @12 Malen

    Please inform me as to the exact UN General Assembly Resolution that says that the Falkalnd Islands referendum was not accepted.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Brasiliero- So the UN is irrelevant! Please can you tell all the Argentines that message!

    Malen- please produce evidence where the Observer team questioned the result of the Falklands referendum.

    Please also show me the list of countries that Falklands Govt has actually ASKED to recognise the result?
    In case you struggle - I can tell you - it is none! We leave it to nations to make up their own minds over time. And that is just what several are gradually doing.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1 Tell you what. There are 28 countries in the EU. It is by no means one of my favourite organisations. However, it has been in being for 54 years. I'd just like you to quote me one instance where the EU has “got its hands on” the natural resources of a member state. I think it only fair that you should quote date(s) and verifiable references. Incidentally, what natural resources has “poor” Ukraine got? And if Russia's now got the “good” bit, who's got it's hand on what? And why.

    As for the rest, I trust you have verifiable evidence? “Dmitri down the wine bar told me”, doesn't do it!

    Besides, why are you concerned about Uktaine? It's just had a bit of itself stolen. Let's try this one. Just to bring it close to “home”. Backed by Paraguay, the State of Amazonas holds a referendum, declares independence and, at the same time, asks to become a Paraguayan state. How do you feel about that?
    @4 Of course we don't believe in Venezuela's liberation. Its government is still shooting its people, isn't it? The power-crazed bus driver still has many death threats against him. Although no evidence has ever been produced. There's no evidence that anyone has ever taken a shot at him. Except his now mother-in-law when he raped her daughter on the top deck of his bus while the conductor drove.
    @7 That's okay then. I'm sure that you'll agree that keeping nut-jobs out of positions of influence is important. Remind me again why your place and the genocidal, larcenous, mendacious argieland want a seat in the top body of this unrepresentative organisation? And why argieland rushes there at every opportunity? What was the last complain? “A British cruise liner, closely followed by a British oil tanker, sailed straight past without stopping to pay the usual bribes. Unfortunately, we were powerless as all our warships had capsized due to the British bribing Poseidon, God of the Sea”.
    @12 And it was the business of whom? The Falkland Islands is not a UN member.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @3
    I suggest you put forward your name to represent Argentina in talks with the FALKLANDERS. PMSL at your post, I can actually see that happening.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    darragh please show the ONU resolution that says the Malvinas referendum was accepted????

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Malen

    You made the original claim so it is concommitant upon you to provide proof of your claim.

    As it is clear that you cannot provide such proof you are condemned as a LIAR or what we call in Ireland a gobshite.

    Subject closed.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    www.un.org/sg/offthecuff/index.asp?nid=2738
    Enjoy. Its all the UN said.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lou Spoo

    Malen

    Your link proves darragh's point. At no point did the UN claim the Falklands referendum was invalid.

    As opposed to this link which clearly states the Ukraine referendum was.

    http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2014/ga11493.doc.htm

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Out of the mouths and babes........

    It states “

    In response to questions about the referendum on the Falklands/Malvinas, the Spokesperson has the following to say:

    “The Secretary-General has taken note of the referendum. He reminds Argentina and the United Kingdom that his good offices remain available if both parties engage.”

    It does not say ”The referendum (bad used by UK) in Malvinas was not accepted by ONU”

    So ipso facto - you are a LIAR

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zool

    “The Secretary-General has taken note of the referendum. He reminds Argentina and the United Kingdom that his good offices remain available if both parties engage.”

    So basically the standard answer the UN gives out for any dispute.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    He “heard” there had been a referendum. It doesnt matter. So its not valid.
    ONU continues standing for negotiations if BOTH parts engage.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #23
    If you had a command of the English language you would note the difference between “taken note” and “heard”

    Heard implies that it came to him from third parties and was of no great importance ......after ALL the screaming and histrionics from the Argie “top team ”

    Taken note is diplomatic speak for ”bugger off and go bother someone else.
    Your problem is of no importance to the UN

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Malen
    You stated the following was British,

    Show me proof anywhere it says and Malvinas of Arg SAM, etc

    This none existent country island has never been part of the UK or great Britain.
    .

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    “ Among those abstaining were Mercosur full members Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay, plus Ecuador and El Salvador. ”

    58 abstentions for Russian hooded thuggery, and a forced annexation. On the wrong side of the fence yet again.

    What a great example of leadership !

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    BRASIL!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t18ojPXWi4g&feature=mh_lolz

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”“”Brasiliero- you do indeed write a load of tripe! I challenge you to come up with HARD evidence of all the support and weapons.?“”“

    'coz, like, i'm sure some guy on the internet will have easy access to the upper-levels of policy making and subterfuge of the USA and Euro powers?

    Get real.

    Face some hard facts yourself: The EU had been agitating for years in the Ukraine, the USA was taped saying fCUK the EU and push the Ukrainian issues to breaking point....and they did, and they ousted an elected government and replaced it with unelected puppets.

    somebody point tot eh democratic process in this where an unelected ”government through seizure of power” is somehow now democratically representing the people of the Ukraine?

    You're blinkered fools if you swallow that bit of tripe.

    Replace the Ukraine with Canada and watch the Yanks invade by force in an instant if the Russian had orchestrated the removal of the Canadain democratically elected government by subterfuge and agitation.

    The Malvos may be a bunch of loons but they are not wrong on this matter.

    The west should be ashamed, the EU and USA especially... and good on Putin for showing them up as total goons and rampant hypocrits.

    Mar 28th, 2014 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    I don't understand. Engliseé is weak for me.

    Mar 29th, 2014 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    Russian pressure response to UN vote, AHEAD of vote taken.

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/por/internacional/EXCLUSIVO-Russia_ameacou_paises_antes_da_votacao_da_ONU_sobre_Ucrania,_dizem_diplomatas.html?cid=38268112

    For those in English, the article states that Russian pressure was used ahead of vote. Even neutral Switzerland was accused by the Russians as being “ counterproductive ” to freezing the assets (in the Billions of Euro ) held by former Ukrainian President Yanukovych, and others.

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/por/internacional/EXCLUSIVO-Russia_ameacou_paises_antes_da_votacao_da_ONU_sobre_Ucrania,_dizem_diplomatas.html?cid=38268112

    Reuters is reporting here that 40,000 Russian in military vehicles are now massed on and around the Ukraine frontiers. No doubt they are more Russian “ tourists ” hooded, armed, and in uniform again,

    Amazing how the Russians allow it's “tourists” to drive tanks, APC's, and fly armed helicopters into other sovereign countries.

    Oddly, an estimated 70 Billion Euro were missing in the Ukraine traced back to Mr. Yanukovych and his son, and Russia has reportedly lost 70 Billion Euro this week with capital flight due to the EU and EUA sanctions ?

    Mar 29th, 2014 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

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    Mar 29th, 2014 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

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    Mar 29th, 2014 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    #3 Lou Spoo
    Your post is spot on; they have really tied themselves up in knots on this one!

    “Argentina on the other hand reiterated its 'very clear' position on the principle of territorial integrity ”
    Like the UK, they supported a similar motion in the Security Council, but then appeared to change their minds and lashed out at the UK for doing the same (as if it’s any of their business how the UK votes).

    Now they abstain in the GA, yet issue a statement supporting the motion.
    The truth is the Crimea crisis has caught them flat footed and highlights the inconsistencies in their position on the Falklands.
    And they have the hide to criticise the UK for having double standards, what a joke, they stand for nothing

    Mar 29th, 2014 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    “Cristina trapped with her double standards”

    http://www.cronista.com/3dias/-Cristina-atrapada-en-su-doble-estandar-20140328-0006.html

    Mar 29th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The latest BBC News has Putin Calling Obama on the phone,
    Saying he has no intention of invading the Ukraine.

    Mar 29th, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Putin is a braggart.

    I don't believe he truly wants war. He just wants to puff his chest to impress the chicas......

    Mar 30th, 2014 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Apparently according to the news , and papers Obama has officially ruled out military action,
    ???

    Mar 30th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    No appetite for it.
    reckon he will let them have Crimea in exchange for non - interference in the rest of Ukraine.
    Just my opinion!

    Mar 30th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Probably right, we will just have to wait and see..

    Mar 30th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    The USA has no stomach for another war. Probably a good thing. Especially in Europe.
    Global-capitalists are gonna be making the deals on this one. That includes Russia.
    Jmo!

    Mar 30th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • *~TROLLING_CEASE_FIRE~*

    @9

    Your comment strikes me as out of topic.

    Mar 31st, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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