MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
US/UK trained Brazil military in torture techniques; British were particularly sophisticated
Officials from the United States and the United Kingdom spent years teaching members of the Brazilian military how to develop and improve their torture techniques during the country’s two-decade long dictatorship (1964/1985), it was confirmed this week by the National Truth Commission, CNV, report. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAhhhhhh......
Dec 12th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Engrish “Northern Ireland” expertise for the benefit of the Brasilian dictatorship....
And Engrish loans & weapons for the Argie dictatorship... to kill Engrish soldiers...
http://jubileedebt.org.uk/press-release/argentina-still-owes-uk-dictator-debt-falklands-arms
How very Engrish......................
Shame! Barbarians! Western! Bad!
Dec 12th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”admiration for psychological torture, which he said was known as “the English system.”
Dec 12th, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Currently something that Argentina enjoys everyday.
:-)
That is why Buenos Aires has the greatest number of psycho-analysts per capita of any city in the world.
One can see the results on the streets when La Campora has a march, you can see it on every bus and train now with the silly little signs.
Argentina does not realise it is still being manipulated by the British.
The UK likes to keep them throughly engaged in their 'malvinas' myth. It keeps them busy spending time and money, and away from the Falklands.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that MI6 has actively infiltrated La Campora and is encouraging them.
Keep them running in circles, the fools.
lol!
Everybody please note the 'English system' in which the Brazilian military’s admiration for British interrogation methods was laid bare, especially over the UK’s “discretion” when dealing with detainees and its “clean torture” techniques, due to their expertise in extracting information from individuals, WITHOUT using brute force.
Decent chaps, the Brits. Keeping it clean. Brains not brawn.
No wonder the Argies are scared. Intellectual superiority always wins.
“US/UK trained Brazil military in torture techniques; British were particularly sophisticated”
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0it seems the 4th class newspaper is very proud with all this.
finally the british were particularly sophisticated at something.
Actually this article made the UK look good!
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think is annoyed because the governments he supported in the past just threw nuns out of planes and Brasileiro is upset because Brazil is that pathetic they even had to learn torture from the west.
Bahahahaha too funny. Honesty too fucking funny these idiots on this website.
All rumour and supposition! Let's have some real proof!
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't bother with Think, especially considering his recent scatological, misogynistic postings.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Utter loser and self-centred timewaster.
There is still hope for paul-carrion perhaps?
What do you guys think? Is it worth continuing with his education, or just ignore him?
I always encourage debate, and I am a firm believer in facing propoganda and falsehoods with the cold, hard light of logic and facts. But paulie, the coward, is he really worth the effort?
well?
@3
Dec 13th, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that it took you all that to say nothing stands as a monument to your desperation to make the UK look good. It was a fun read, all the dancing around bullets.
Hmmmm, ilsen
Dec 13th, 2014 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo has closed his mind. He's very worried about facts appearing inconveniently - facts that challenge his belief system.
Pablo does not want to argue, too lazy, too unsure of himself.
ilsen, he only wants to spout his reassuring (to him) lies, and bugger off.
IMO, You are wasting your time, and giving him too much credence by tacitly endowing him with viewpoints that are worthy of debating.
Myself, I prefer to point out the contradictions of his so-called truths, and then follow it up with something that will hurt his ego and sow doubt about his future and his beliefs.
He is not worthy of respect.
@9
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some interesting points you have there. I agree that paulie is a waste of time generally, he just likes to be anti-Brit, never comments elsewhere. Although I do like to provoke him sometimes, this amuses me.
:-)
What about tobi? Is he an 'idiot-savant' or just a seriously damaged individual?
I think that his only interaction with others, is online, here on MP. I am worried that if he is cast aside, he might climb a tower, start shooting school kids.
Oh, I Don't Like Mondays...
The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload.
And nobody's gonna go to school today,
She's going to make them stay at home.
And daddy doesn't understand it,
He always said she was as good as gold.
And he can see no reason
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be shown?
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.
The telex machine is kept so clean
As it types to a waiting world.
And mother feels so shocked,
Father's world is rocked,
And their thoughts turn to
Their own little girl.
Sweet 16 ain't so peachy keen,
No, it ain't so neat to admit defeat.
They can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be shown?
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.
All the playing's stopped in the playground now
She wants to play with her toys a while.
And school's out early and soon we'll be learning
And the lesson today is how to die.
And then the bullhorn crackles,
And the captain crackles,
With the problems and the how's and why's.
And he can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to die?
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.
hmm... let's not alienate tobi completely, think of the children!
:-)
@8
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK Tobi. Time to look in the mirror. All the UK military did was train people how to interrogate WITHOUT hurting them.
Now, you had your own wonderful institution called ESMA. I'm not going to tell you what it was about; you already know. But for the rest of you, that was one of Argentina's torture death camps, and perhaps the most notorious.
The reason that you no longer have to fear the torture camps is because of the Royal Marines. They got rid of the Junta, and none of you have ever expressed a lick of gratitude.
Seventy years after the fact, the Jews in Europe are still grateful to the British forces for liberating them from the Nazi death camps. I have yet to hear even one Argentine ingrate express a lick of thanks to the UK forces for taking on the Junta and not having to live in fear of ESMA today.
Hmmmm....?
@11
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0It should also be noted that the 'museum to the malvinas' is housed in the very same building that ESMA used to torture their own people....
... make of that what you will...
@12
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure the symbolism of that is not lost on anyone living in the Falklands today. The so called “illegal squatters” with no rights...
10 ilsen
Dec 13th, 2014 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're scaring me !!!
I remember going to see that concert - in 1981 !!!
You're right - psycho girl - no power of empathy.
Reminds me of Snotty Nostrils, another f*cked up adolescent.
I think that Troll is mentally ill and comes here only for attention.
He loses the thread of reality when ignored, as he will say anything to get attention.
I won't waste time with him.
Let him go abuse Argentines, not us.
He has mental issues - don't enable him.
He has no redeeming qualities.
@4. At the time, the Argentinean regime was particularly good at taking people on one-way helicopter rides.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0On a slightly different tack, and noting the photograph, if Colonel Paulo Malhães walked into the room where I was to be 'interviewed', I'd be quaking. He looks like most people's concept of the vicious south american military thug. You can virtually hear him sneering his descriptions of what he's going to do to you. Probably starting with ripping your fingernails out with pliers.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Brazilians don't understand the difference between interrogation methods and actual torture.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British honed interrogation methods in WW2, and they were so effective that they managed to turn ALL of the Germans spies located in the UK, so they were feeding the Nazi's false information.
In comparison the Nazi's did use torture, and were extremely brutal, and very rarely did it do them any good. Most people undergoing physical torture will say ANYTHING that they believe their torturers WANTS to hear, in order to stop the physical abuse. But the veracity of the information that was given had to be called into question.
The British did not, and do not, engaged in torture. Those individuals who have been found to be involved in torture have been prosecuted.
So what the Brazilians actually mean is that the British taught them how to effectively interrogate people, not how to torture them.
Nostrils ranks as one of the biggest losers to ever grace this site.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because he honestly believes his opinion matters. This site is about as powerful as he can get after he own government has effectively neutered him. Same with Paul and Think. This site is as good as it gets for having their voice heard. And let's face it, this site is one of the most pathetic news sites around.
Everyday Thin, Nostrils, Paul and all the other assorted Atgentine losers have to look up from their computer screens and realise their country is well and truly fucked because of their acquiesce!
The parrilla was used in a number of countries in South America, including Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s and 1980s and Brazil. In Chile during the Pinochet regime (1973 to 1990) it became notorious as a routine tool of interrogation.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The victim was stripped naked, then laid on his or her back on a metal frame, often a bed-frame. Straps were used to restrain the victim in a position convenient for torture, with legs spread and arms either above the head or away from the sides of the body. The straps were tightened to prevent movement.
How very Argie
Electricity was drawn from a standard wall socket and fed through a control box to the victim by two wires terminating in electrodes. The control on the box allowed the torturers to adjust the voltage and thus the severity of the electric shocks.
The Royal Marines liberated Argentina? I guess just about the entire planet missed on that event!
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands War prolonged the Junta not the other way around. But typical self-glorifying British thinking (are you people EVER HUMBLE, and honest?), conflates and warps any jots of truth into unrecognizable grepkits.
Had the Junta not gone to war, it would have fallen by early May, before winter time.
The British are so poor at reasoning. The analogy to this would be a basketball game where one team is up 2 points and then runs down the clock to 1 second, to give the opponent almost no chance at getting a shot of. Then the other team is forced to shoot from mid-court-- and hits the shot! Wins the game by 1.
Then the losing team coach goes in front of television and states: “they won thanks to us, we took the clock down to 1 second so that they could shoot the 3 point shot and win. They should be thankful to us”.
The British inanetality (not to confuse with “mentality”) is always source of quaint research.
@20
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure about that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
The dude in the uniform looks quite popular ;-)
21 stick
Dec 13th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great video, but I don't know why you bother.
The 'logic' is SO FLAWED @20 that it doesn't even warrant s reply.
US/UK trained Brazil military in torture techniques
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0more anti west,, rubbish,
besides even if their was a grain of truth, then make no mistake, the nasty argies soon developed their very own method of inhumane torture,
and still use it today,
sticks and stones, and glass houses ..
@20
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would Argentina need training in torture? Wasn't the “Cepa Uruguayana” effective enough?
It's just made to put excuses and blame someone else. In Argentina the blamed the Pied noirs OAS for the crimes and tortures of the Military regime.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0When I was 4 years old, my best friend at the time demonstrated to me how to insert a crayon all the way inside his nostril.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While equipped with this knowledge I never did it, because I'm not a total spastic.
If Latam countries want the moral high ground here, you should stop producing mentally unstable dictators.
It seems to be in their genes.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The lawful expertise of interrogation engages the process without using brute force or any physical force... that's the Point of Legal isn't it. A prisoner who says I didn't do “it”, or I have no knowledge of “it” may be lying, so some extent must be used to establish this or not. But protection of both interrogator/interviewer and prisoner/witness can only be achieved through Rules, not haphazard methods. But the Rules are varied under different regimes. For the UK I'd say that generally they stay within Bounds, but if not, root the bastards out who do otherwise.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Okay. I admit it. That's why the birdy song was invented.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ba-da-da-da-da-da-da (It really is torture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thuuik8z978
29: well , in that case I wouldn't continue listening to it if I were you:)
Dec 15th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of the things that pains me most about Argentina these days is the adulation and worship of Che Guevara by this current government .
Dec 15th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By his own admission , he personally shot at least 2500 , and tortured several hundred more .
The Cuba he and Castro created is still a secret police state 50 years on , with more political prisoners per capita than any other country on earth , yet all of Latin America hold it up as some sort beacon of freedom and democracy . Complete joke . Choripan , anyone ?
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