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Argentina's purchase of Israeli fighter jets will be left to next government
Argentine defence minister Agustin Rossi has announced that negotiations for new fighter jets are under way, but will be left to the next government to purchase. Rossi’s decision comes only a day after the Argentine government announced the purchase of Israeli manufactured Kfir fighters. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI wonder how many more announcements with be made by CFK's government given they won't have to pay for them.
Nov 12th, 2015 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't this happen in Tucuman when a few days before the election Morelli hired (bought the votes of) 500 workers. There were no jobs for them so, obviously, when Sanchez won the vote he did not retain them.
Are they going to get a trade-in on their present scrap, err, l mean skyhawks etc?
Nov 12th, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Must be some valuable metal in the airframe, engine etc. Maybe.
l know a bloke, guv'nor, who knows a bloke in London who'll give them a couple of Quid for their old planes.
If they get these new Kfirs, how long will it be until they are in the same conditions as the Skyhawks?
ha ha ha (thats for you, Hepatia)
Well I hope you guys are happy with yourselves,
Nov 12th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Upsetting poor CFK yesterday and left her crying into her plastic begging bowl,
Sobbing on the phone to the UN,
Those nasty nasty brits on mercopress sob sob,
They have destroyed my last chance at Victory,
Now I cant buy these fighters because we cant afford them, so it will now fall to the next government and take years to get into service, and they will be 50 years old by then,
Nasty nasty brits, sob sob,
They are upsetting us, we have rights you know,
Nasty brits upsetting the south Atlantic,
Argentina now unable to afford new jets, purchase suspended
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/argentina-now-unable-to-afford-new-jets-purchase-suspended/
Argentine defence minister Agustin Rossi has announced that negotiations for new jets are under way, but will be left to the next government to purchase.
Rossi’s decision comes only a day after the Argentine government announced the purchase
Cough cough.
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In what normal government would they announce that they are going to buy something before all the leg work, contracts etc... has been done?
Nov 12th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It really does beggar belief.
@1 ”Didn't this happen in Tucuman when a few days before the election Morelli hired (bought the votes of) 500 workers. There were no jobs for them so, obviously, when Sanchez won the vote he did not retain them.“
Nov 12th, 2015 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and they started protesting as a result and it made BBC news: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-34775502
They's also given the prisoners a pay rise! They were already earning more than pensioners.
The K's are really bad losers! They are doing what they can to mess things up for the next government and are using the word ”dynamiting“ which is scary, stupid and dangerous. It is like ”if we can't have power over the country then we'll destroy as much as we can to make life more difficult for the next government!” So their logic is effectively self-destruction! They are behaving like spoiled children.
From what I've seen Macri seems to be countering this with cool, calm, non-confrontational common sense, which (if it sticks) will be a breath of fresh air for the country. But will idiot fanatics ever see sense?
Cretina is going about this all the wrong way.
Nov 12th, 2015 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She can buy ran out 737's for a scrap price.
These can be locally outfitted with cargo doors.
Choripan and Quilmes bombs can then be dropped on the barrios.
I predict that in 25 years they will still be trying to buy these aircraft.
Nov 12th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Briton
Nov 12th, 2015 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentine defence minister Agustin Rossi has announced that negotiations for new jets are under way, but will be left to the next government to purchase.
Rossi’s decision comes only a day after the Argentine government announced the purchase”
The words elbow and arse come to mind.
Rossi: My daughter says we can afford the ancient jets.
Rossi Now we can't.
Rossi: Now they're Russian.
Rossi: Now we can't buy them
Rossi: Now they're Chinese.
CFK: Make some more Pampers, no San Martin Baker seats.
Pilots : Whaaaaaaaaat?
RAF:
Nov 13th, 2015 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0(yawn)
8 Pete Bog
Nov 13th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0very good....
It's actually even worse than we suspected in this once-again almost-purchase. But very much a reflection of the Kirchner government failings.
Nov 14th, 2015 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It turns out that the worthlessness of the deal was recognised by the top officers of the Fuerza Aérea Argentina, and when it came time to sign the deal with the Israelis, those officers voted with their feet, got up and left, and refused to sign the agreement.
They were supposed to get 14 planes: two 2-seaters and the rest single-seaters. And very much “reciclados.” That's argento for “worn out but has new paint.”
But there was no weaponry in the deal. And a fighter without weaponry is just a noise in the sky. Sort of like CFK herself.
It gets worse: the Israelis were only going to include (old-generation) radars for 6 of those 14 aircraft. And a fighter without radar is just.... you get the idea.
In other words, this deal that has now been effectively cancelled (only politicos say it was moved to the next government) was for a meaningless, ineffectual, toothless box of worn-out junk.
Well, not meaningless. It served the Kirchner propaganda machine for a few minutes.
It gets better: the argentos wanted the deal to include the obligation for Israel to market 30 Argentine 'Pampa III” planes around the world. Import substitution ! Except there are no 30 Pampa III planes and no industrial base for producing them even if they could be developed beyond their mostly imaginary prototypes. So the Israelis said no to marketing Argentine vapour-ware.
So Argentina has no operational fighters. And they are down to just one working (but outdated) C-130 Hercules cargo plane, which they desperately need to keep their little base in the British Antarctic Territory from starving.
Argentina: all hat, and no cattle.
@11 Marti
Nov 15th, 2015 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must say Marti, if I were the pilots, I would be annoyed too.
It's like asking them to defend their country and saying, by the way we are going to get you outdated crap to operate with, that's what we think of you!
@8 With reference to the subject of ejection seats:
Nov 15th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Pampa III aircraft (which the Argentines have been promising themselves but are unable to deliver) were supposed to have a version of the Russian Zvezda K-36 ejection seats. But the La Cámpora group running the Fábrica Argentina de Aviones is so far in debt to foreign suppliers that they can't pay for them, and the Russians are demanding cash dollars up front. So the Pampa III, even if they could be otherwise built, aren't getting any decent ejection seats. (Can't safely punch out, so you auger in and die). The characters at the FAdeA are trying to reverse-engineer or otherwise develop domestic substitutes for the foreign components that the Pampa would require to be minimally useful, but since Argentina aeronautical technology is 40+ years behind, they aren't getting anywhere.
In my earlier comment I noted that Argentina had just one operational C-130 Hercules aircraft remaining. And they need these a lot more than some recycled, incomplete, and weaponless Kfirs. The Argentine base in Antarctica relies on that remaining cargo plane. I was just informed that even that Hercules is no longer operational. They may have to contract with Brazil for the cargo service to their base.
Interesting contrasts: the Chilean Air Force has four operational C-130s, and they buy them from the US for about US$7 million each, which is not a bad price given their condition. Argentina has been excluded from such purchases!
l know that there are a couple crashed DC3s in the jungles of New Guinea, from WWII.
Nov 15th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the RGs could make one good one out of the two wrecks.
l'll have to drop Cristina a line………might even be able to make a few quid from the deal. lol!
@13
Nov 16th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought(wrongly) the Pampas were at least getting the Russian seats.
Am I taking the mick by saying that la Campora will be reverse engineering seats by attaching fireworks to office chairs?
Using the theory of Malvinus Mythus the pilots will be told that the seats are in the Pampas and they will need to take matches to light the fireworks if there is an emergency.
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