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Macri/Cameron coincide on new relationship; Falklands left for further on
Argentine President Mauricio Macri met on Thursday with British Prime Minister David Cameron in Davos as both leaders attend the World Economic Forum in Switzerland. The atmosphere of the meeting was described as 'very positive' and several steps of a new relationship were announced, while the Falklands/Malvinas issue was left for further on. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBy Argentina's strained interpretation of international law, the people of Jamaica would have no right to self-determination. Jamaica was a Spanish colony that was seized by Britain in the 1600s and then settled by people brought in by the British authorities.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Using Argentine logic, Jamaica today is rightfully Spanish territory and the so-called “Jamaicans” are merely a relic of British colonialism and should have no voice in the future of their country.
This meeting was apparently conducted in the correct way with statements and NO threats. And it appears to have been cordial.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0A good start!
It's good to hear that they are installing a new Ambassador in London, Castro will NOT be a hard act to follow.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0My high level contacts tell me that some key people in the Cameron government clearly recognize the absurdity of claiming ownership over an island that lies thousands of miles away from the UK and off the coast of Argentina. Of course Cameron won't come out and say that but things are moving in that direction behind the scenes.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On another front Jeremy Corbyn has been a breath of fresh air in British politics and is openly supportive of returning the islands to Argentina. Despite their differences in other areas he will be a key ally of Cameron going forward on this issue.
#4 Bahahaha Absolute tosh. Do you think that your wishful thinking makes things so? As well as being yet another liar you are deluded.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine foreign minister needs to swot up on the difference between England and tbe UK. :-)
Its nice to see this positive exchange between Argentina and the UK. Looking foward to helping Argentina restore itself to prosperity from the terrible state the Peronistas got it into.
@4
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“recognize the absurdity of claiming ownership over an island that lies thousands of miles away from the UK”
A claim that has existed since 1690, long before Argentina existed.
The Falklands were not just off the coast in 1833, as Argentina's territory was then 1000 miles away from the Falklands.
Maybe you can contest the UK's ownership of Pitcairn Island, Tristan da Cunha, South Georgia, St Helena-these are also 1000s of miles away from the UK.
There are also numerous French territories thousands of miles away from France.
No doubt you will contest the French ownership of these territories too?
The Falklands may well be off the Argentine coast, but over 300 miles away is not near to Argentina.
You had a job to reach them by air in 1982.
That's how close they are not, to Argentina.
You completely misunderstand the issue.
The islands are no longer claimed by the UK government. They are claimed by the people who have been born on the Islands with several generations of family behind them.
That is why since 1982 several constitutional changes have transferred more autonomy to the Islands as the UK fulfils its international responsibilities to ensure the Islands move further away from colonialism whilst Argentina wishes to colonise them
If your government possessed an ounce of intelligence they would surely be able to persuade only 3000 people that it is a good idea to be Argentine.
You cannot see the blatantly obvious reason why the islanders want to be British.
It is to AVOID being Argentine.
Now all your country has to do, to be able to have the Islands is to work out why Argentina is so bad that the Islanders don't want to become Argentine, and make Argentina a country that the islanders WANT to belong to.
Your colonial approach is not working .
The UK ditched the colonial approach to the Falklands post 1982.
And who caused the UK to adopt this approach?
That's right Argentina.
@4
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ the absurdity of claiming ownership over an island that lies thousands of miles away from the UK”
As opposed to the absurdity of claiming ownership of islands that lie hundreds of miles away from Argentina?
Care to reply to my comment #1 above, so we can see exactly what logic you base your claim on? The simple fact of the matter is, Argentina gave up all claim to the Falkland Islands in 1850 by treaty and then dropped the claim until Peron revived it. Thus proving that you can't trust Argentina to keep its word “como la gente”.
Macri/Cameron
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0other sources state Cameron words of==the Falkland's are British, they had their referendum and self determination etc. etc..
but no mention of macri reply,
was it printed anywhere,
4 El Diego
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes no difference what Argentina or the UK want, they are both bound by the constraints of international law. Since it is absolutely clear that under the UN Charter the Islanders have a right to self-determination. It is why the UN Charter was created, so that previous alleged grievances would not be able to override the Charter.
“My high level contacts tell me that some key people in the Cameron government clearly recognize the absurdity of claiming ownership over an island that lies thousands of miles away from the UK and off the coast of Argentina. Of course Cameron won't come out and say that but things are moving in that direction behind the scenes.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On another front Jeremy Corbyn has been a breath of fresh air in British politics and is openly supportive of returning the islands to Argentina. Despite their differences in other areas he will be a key ally of Cameron going forward on this issue.”
WHAT A LOAD OF COBBLERS FROM AN IGNORANT HIJO DE P--A!
THE BRITISH PUBLIC/NATION WILL JUST NOT ALLOW THIS.
@7
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK signed a treaty many years ago entering in a indissoluble Union with the European Community. Where is Britain's “word of honor” on this issue now?
Before you call other names, make sure you own mouth is clean.
11 CapiTrollism_is_back!! “The UK signed a treaty many years ago entering in a indissoluble Union with the European Community.”
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No member of the EU has signed any such document otherwise you'd have shown it, in fact they have signed the following treaty. Do bother to check your facts, unless you enjoy making a complete idiot of yourself
Treaty of Lisbon
“…The Treaty for the first time gave member states the explicit legal right to leave the EU and a procedure to do so.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon
Tobi! We thought you were dead?
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are misinformed like the people in Britain in the 1970s. They were told they were voting to join a 'Common Market', as it turned out it was an undemocratic dictatorship run by German bureaucrats and headed by a Ruritanian from the arsehole of Europe - Luxembourg.. Thats why the UK is leaving. The people were conned!
@12
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think I don't know about the Lisbon Treaty.
The Lisbon Treaty does not render all the other treaties as “unsigned”. Check your law degree. It makes it not “illegal” to leave the EU, but it does not mean you would not be breaching the prior treaties.
So yes, Britain signed several treaties it would, in fact, be violating (though deemed not illegal by Lisbon), and thus breaking its word.
@4. “High level contacts”? You know a window cleaner then!
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn, according to the majority of the British people, is a smelly fart.
@6. There's a lot in your comment. Importantly, argieland also wants to steal part of the British Antarctic Territory. Argies are forgetful. The Scots only gave them a meteorological station. Will a few big bombs split the snow and ice apart so that the argie trespassers disappear into the icy sea and die?
@11. All nations have the right to repudiate treaties. Hasn't argieland done it often enough. But the United Kingdom actually signed a treaty with the EEC. Over the years, the European “project” lied on innumerable occasions. Thereby voiding agreements. You see, like argieland, the Europeans have no honour.
@13. Stop mincing your words. Replace “though” with “hoped”.
@14. You know squat about squat. Actually, the Treaty of Lisbon amends the Treaties of Rome and Maastricht. Therefore, no valid prior treaties. And then we repeal the European Communities Act 1972. So no treaties can be enforced in the UK. Anything unenforceable doesn't exist. See how easy it is?
Why not be sensible and rename yourself as “I'm_a_Prat”. Suits you better.
Diego's high level UK contacts are as real as his private jet.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0repatriation discussions have been going on for some time at the highest of levels and only now does the UK feel confident they have a real partner that can help move towards a dignified handover. It's not going to happen overnight but the longest of journeys start with the smallest of steps and one significant step was taken in Davos. Cameron knows that legally the UK is on thin ice and they consider developing business with key emerging market partners in the Americas a higher priority than the islands. In addition it's an expense they need to cut in order to meet their own budget targets. Jeremy Corbyn is also pushing Cameron on getting a deal done asap in return for support in other areas.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is on thin ice
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then prove it,
and go to the ICJ,
or is your ICE to thin to skate on.
@17
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The tragedy is.You actually believe the nonsense your spouting.
@17 My pal in the UK FO says that is a pack of lies. Nice try. Bahahahaha pelotudo!
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 El Diego “Cameron knows that legally the UK is on thin ice”. What are you smoking?
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the completion of the Referendum UK has for filled all it's legal obligations under the Charter, as the Islands are now “decolonized”. It's therefore irrelevant who doesn't accept the affirmation of international law, as it is not the UK's problem, as there is no legal power on earth to compel them to do anything else. “UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
“Self-determination of people: a legal reappraisal by Antonio Cassese
The content of self-determination as laid down in the Covenants Article 1 of both the UN Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides as follows:
All peoples have the right of self-determination. ... All peoples may, ... freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources ...
”The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Govcrning and Trust Territories, shall promote ...the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
SELF-DETERMINATION AS A CONTINUING RIGHT'. EXPRESSION OF THE POPULAR WILL
53 Article 1(3) grants peoples of dependent territories (non-self-governing and trust territories) the right freely to decide their international status, in other words, whether to form a State or to associate with an existing sovereign”
#17 “key emerging market partners in the Americas”. You can't mean Argentina surely? Financially and morally bankrupt with a debt problem that makes any half decent banana republic seem like a good bet by comparison? No. Surely not. The only thin ice around is that which you are blindly skating about on.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 04# “My high level contacts tell me that some key people in the Cameron government clearly recognize the absurdity of claiming ownership over an island ...”
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Care to name these people?
No, I didn't think so. You are just another lying troll who makes outrageous claims without a skerrick of evidence to support them.
El Diego is obviously a fantasist.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This report is the Argentine version of the meeting. The official version has Cameron making the British position plain and then both men moved on to the important discussions.
My “high level” contacts tell me that, as usual, most Malvinistas talk through their rear and that the matter is considered settled. With no new UN GA resolution in 27 years and with the C24 failing to even recommend its own resolution for adoption by the General Assembly Argentina simply has no move on this. nowhere to go.
The matter is settled.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-bottom-line.pdf
The UN ha continuously ruled (over 40 years) that the principles of self-determination does not apply to the Falklands (Malvinas.) The main reason is that since the Argentine population was forcibly evicted from Malvinas in 1833, the UK adopted a closed immigration policy for the Falklands discriminating from countries, especially from Argentina.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gacol3283.doc.htm
Instead, the UN has continuously stated the interests of the inhabitants of the Falklands (Malvinas) should be taken into consideration. This is a far cry for rights to self-determination. Instead the UN has ruled for over 40 years for “peaceful and negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty” between Argentina and the United Kingdom, rulings that the United Kingdom has continuously and unilaterally ignored. Do not forget that the reason given for the invasion of Iraq was that Sadam Hussain ignored the UN resolutions. On the one hand, the UK invades Iraq because the latter ignored the UN resolutions and on the other hand, it is the same UK that ignores the UN resolutions.
Self-determination is the third principle invoked by the UK to justify its tenure of Malvinas. The first was historical rights, the strongest principle or rights. However, it was abandoned around the turn of the 20th century because Argentina had the historical rights. The second principle was that of length of tenure, abandoned ~ 1960’s. The government of the UK concluded that length of tenure was really invoking the right of squatters. Therefore, self-determination was adopted instead.
The UK invokes self-determination for the Falklanders and yet ignored the same principle for the Chagossians, who were forcibly evicted from their homeland in Diego Garcia:
http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gacol3283.doc.htm
The only thing we can conclude, is that the government of Great Britain adopts the principle of self-determination when it is convenient to do so and ignores it whe
Oh yay El Diego is back!
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love this guy!
“High level contacts...”?
Anyone remember when he said he was going to have dinner with the Rio de Janeiro governor Sérgio Filho TWO MONTHS AFTER he lost the job!!!
Have a read and a laugh.... every village needs an idiot.
en.mercopress.com/2014/06/19/argentina-says-june-30-bond-service-in-new-york-was-made-impossible-by-lifting-stay-order#comment333583
Here is a better link for the plight of the Chagossians: “The Stealing of a Nation:”
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://johnpilger.com/videos/stealing-a-nation
Hektor
Hektor, stop embarassing your country. Outlining what you wish was true doesnt make it true. Give it up. Snr Macri has the right idea. Back to collecting cardboard for you..
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 Hektor
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Telegraph 20 Dec 2012
Chagos Islanders defeated in European Court
The European Court of Human Rights has dismissed a case brought by Chagos Islanders claiming the right to return to their home in the Indian Ocean, bringing a long legal battle to a close.
The court in Strasbourg ruled that the islanders’ case was inadmissible because the applicants had already been granted due legal process in Britain, where their case rumbled on for three decades.
The ruling said that by accepting financial compensation from the British government in the 1980s, the Chagossians, who were expelled en masse to make way for a US military base, were no technically longer victims of human rights violations.
Captainsilver:
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your comments - they prove my point. When people do not have the facts or are in the wrong side of any argument, they resort to personal or “ad hominem” attacks.
Hektor
@27 The plight and treatment of the Chagossian people is well documented , publicly acknowledged and is widely regarded as a shameful episode You will find no viveza criolla from us .The people of the UK don't need a self appointed, smug, sanctimonious journalist to point out our failings; We're big enough to take them on the chin. But seeing you mate El Diego knows ahem..“people in high places” (probably some lavvy attendant from Milton Keynes). Do you think he could ask Pilger do something similar for Patagonia and it's indigenous people. Now that would be worth watching.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 021
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“UK has for filled all it's legal obligations under the Charter, as the Islands are now “decolonized”
...let me just check the UN web site...
Nope...still on the list...
Not yet de-colonialised...
Still haven't attained a measure of self government that is acceptable to the UN...
That would be the same UN that you keep quoting...or are they only right about ...agreeable to Terry stuff....
ps....where did you learn English...”for filled” indeed...
I know it must sound right in your head, but does .... fulfilled...sound better...?
The only sovereignty bejng exercised over the Falkland Islands is being exercised by the UK.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even Voice agrees with this.
yeah...well...de facto..
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0what you might deem a fait accompli....
I didn't state what form.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just that it is!
And no one else is..... de facto or de jure.
The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dammit.....ok ...I'm going to bite....
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes the UK is exercising sovereignty over the islands...
..but
Their sovereignty isn't recognised by the UN or other countries...it is defined as... de facto Administration...
The UK is the Administrating power...
@36 lily will be in the pink in 25 years
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatitis must have cramp in her/his/its typing finger! Clearly for her/him/it Groundhog Day is very significant!
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 039 gordo1
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Somewhere in Argentina there is a village without its idiot.
Plenty of idiots with no need of villages - 17 30 36 , plenty,… Pointless arguments about sovereignty dont move anything forward either, they are just an annoyance like mosquitos.Time the naysayers moved on and concentrated energy on progress.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hektor - The UN fully recognises the Falklanders' right to self-determination. The UN even repeats every year that in decolonization cases there is now “no alternative” to self-determination.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/self-determination-points-to-ponder1.pdf
Voice (is that with the O or the 0? My old eyes struggle so) is actually correct in that the Islands are not yet decolonized. The reason for this is that the Islanders have opted for the one future that the UN cannot accept - the status quo.
Prof Willetts explains it rather well - https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/self-determination-points-to-ponder1.pdf
Read & learn :-)
It long past time to close the UN.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Defund it and send all of those useless bureaucrats home.
Got to agree with Yankeeboy,the UN could not organise a p@&s up in a brewery.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good laugh at the Argentine Post “Cameron and Corbyn will become great allies”
More chance of Kim Jong and George Bush becoming best friends.
44. You make it sound like its hard to agree with me.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
@45 Not my intention !
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 This is one of those rare occasions that I'd totally agree with you!
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NEITHER SIDE APPEARS READY FOR WAR: FALKLANDS/MALVINAS ISLANDS ANALYSIS
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://cimsec.org/neither-side-appears-ready-for-war-falklandsmalvinas-islands-analysis/21163
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#48 We weren't the last time but we took on and finished the job when the Argentineans performed their illegal invasion of our territory.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 Roger Lorton#
Jan 24th, 2016 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Prof Willetts explains it rather well - www.staff.city.ac.uk/p.willetts/SAC/COMMENTS/PW080313.HTM
Read & learn :-)”
Thanks Roger.
Professor Willets has penned an interesting and very readable commentary on the legal status of the Falkland Islands and it is well worth reading.
It clears up a lot of confusion that exists on MP, the summary states:
“To summarise: the people of the Falklands do have the right to self-determination. At the UN, this only means the right to independence or to integration or free association with another independent country or some new form of autonomous status. It does not include the right to remain an Overseas Territory, without further change in the constitutional relationship with Britain. The forthcoming referendum is not the end of the road. It is another major step down the continuing road of political change towards decolonisation and full self-government.”
Read and learn indeed!
50 downunder “Read & learn” Indeed
Jan 24th, 2016 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0A nice try by Professor Willets but his area of expertise is Global Politics and not intentional law. So his summary is incorrect as the ICJ offers a completely different interpretations.
The ICJ presents its advisory opinion on two questions concerning Western Sahara; “The validity of the principle of self-determination, defined as the need to pay regard to the freely expressed will of peoples, ...” The Court also states; “The Charter of the United Nations, in Article 1, paragraph 2, indicates, as one of the purposes of the United Nations: “To develop friendly relations among nations based on ...the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples . .” This purpose is further developed in Articles 55 and 56 of the Charter. ...the subsequent development of international law in regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them”
Judge Dillard, .. adds; “ .. it is for the people to determine the destiny of the territory and not the territory the destiny of the people.”
Case Concerning Sovereignty over Pulau Ligitan and Pulau Sipadan(Indonesia v. Malaysia)Judgment of 23 October 2001
12. ...In General Assembly resolution 1541 (XV), adopted with only two dissents on 15 December 1960, the General Assembly contemplated more than one method of self-determination for non-self-governing territories, including “integration with an independent State”.
Mr. Hill - the ICJ has made it very plain that the right of self-determination applies to all the NSGTs without exception while the UN now repeats every year that in decolonization cases there is now, “no alternative” to self-determination.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prof Willetts is something of an expert on UN matters.
I can also recommend the work of Stephen Potts - https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/falklands-what-the-icj-might-say-about-argentinas-claims.pdf
Sunday 24/01/2016
Jan 24th, 2016 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12117755/Jeremy-Corbyn-wants-a-Northern-Ireland-style-power-sharing-deal-for-the-Falklands.html
“”“My high level contacts tell me”“”
Jan 24th, 2016 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lmfao
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nobody cared what Castro said when she was ambassador, aint changed now she on her way out.
nobody really cares what Corbyn think either - well, nobody of significance... and he is unelectable because of his personal views such as those over the Falklands....
52. You'll find Terry (pretty sure he has Aspergers) is an “expert” in many areas.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If only in his head.
I'd give up now.
He'll be wrong, you'll point it out, prove it, for about 50 posts and then he'll declare himself the winner of the argument.
You will give up with exhaustion
Its like trying to teach a cat math.
@53 gordo1
Jan 24th, 2016 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't got a link but I understand two of his shadow cabinet are not happy about this.
What Corbyn has failed to realise is that despite Labour wanting to axe the Falklands in 1968 and the Conservatives in 1980, they could not do it without the consent of the Islanders-Corbyn is lining himself up for a huge political smack on the head because he has ignored history.
@25 “and yet ignored the same principle for the Chagossians, who were forcibly evicted from their homeland in Diego Garcia:”
So you will be pleased that some are likely to be returned to their homeland after the current resettlement survey by the UK government is concluded.
I hope you too have turned up to the Chagossian support group to try to make this happen.
“The main reason is that since the Argentine population was forcibly evicted from Malvinas in 1833, ”
It wasn't.
How do explain Antonina Roxa owning a ranch near Stanley (Stanley formed 1845 ,that's 12 years after 1833), if she was kicked out?
How was Antonio Rivero able to murder Vernet's managers in August 1833 if he was removed in 1833?
How did Carmelita Penny die in Stanley in 1871, if she had been kicked off in 1833?
Haven't thought things through, have you?
”The UN ha continuously ruled (over 40 years) that the principles of self-determination does not apply to the Falklands (Malvinas“
How do you explain that in 2008, a resolution put forward by Spain and Argentina to state that self determination did not apply to NSGTs with sovereignty disputes, was defeated at the UN?
You can't explain this because you have fabricated your whole post using the usual Argentina mantra, adopted from Adolf Hitler, that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.
” However, it was abandoned around the turn of the 20th century because Argentina had the historical rights.”
Another blatant untruth-Britain claimed the Falklands (and did not, unlike Spain in 1863 relinquish that claim), from 1690, not, from 1833.
55 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is from a guy that didn't know that the US had tried to invade Canada and was repelled. Then attempted to cover his ignorance by claiming it was an impossibility as Canada at that time had not been formally constituted. “HOW COULD WE INVADE A COUNTRY THAT DIDN”T EXIST?” While not having a clue that such an argument is a fallacious proposition, as an argumentum ad absurdum (Latin: “argument to absurdity”). Which is so desperately stupid it's not even worthy of further comment.
Those comparatively few French and British colonists along with allied natives, along with a vastly diminished British army presence. Were able to rip the hugely more populous U.S a new asshole. Your nation invaded you're neighbouring territory and were decidedly beaten back. “In 1813,..two American thrusts against Montreal were defeated...the other, by a force of mostly French Canadian militia under the command of Charles de Salaberry, to the south of the city at the Battle of Châteauguay…The successful defence of Canada relied on Canadian troops, British regular troops, the Royal Navy and aboriginal allies..” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada#War_of_1812
See what I am talking about?
Jan 24th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aspergers
restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests
58 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's my favourite activity to expose a lying, racist, fascist like yourself. Who pretended that the name Canada was unrecognised in 1812 in spite of US army historians, Canadian archives and Thomas Jefferson all using the name. But you weren't able to find one expert to support your ass-covering endeavour. So your claim that you fought only the British is refuted by all-of the above. Now besides showing you no less than a grade 5 history student you're trying to pass yourself off as medical expert. Whereas the closest you got to that field is handling a bedpan.
See what I am talking about?
Jan 24th, 2016 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aspergers
restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests
60 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So all the claims I have made about you are now confirmed, that by your silence in failing to refute you have endorsed my assertions. “..qui tacet consentiré videtur-lit. He who is silent is thought to consent. Thus, he who keeps silent is assumed to consent; silence gives consent.” SOMA'S DICTIONARY OF LATIN QUOTATIONS MAXIMS AND PHRASES..
So other than an an ad hominem attack what is your point? “an ad hominem attack ..is nothing else than an open admission by “the other side” that they have no more reasonable arguments, …hat they have lost not just the plot but also the debate. ...” Edzard Ernst
“When a person has nothing, he goes after the person he can’t answer with logic or facts.” Gary DeMar
“debater tries to diminish the argument of his opponent by calling the opponent a name …it tells the listener more about the speaker than the person being spoken about” John T. Reed
“Ad hominem is an argument of the weak and insecure.” Maleiha Bajunaid Candao
“When cowardly individuals are not able to attack the message, they attack the messenger.” Abderrahman Hassi
“When a person has nothing, he goes after the person he can’t answer with logic or facts.” Gary DeMar
Jan 24th, 2016 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“debater tries to diminish the argument of his opponent by calling the opponent a name …it tells the listener more about the speaker than the person being spoken about” John T. Reed
.......”yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)”
...Ouch...was that your left foot or your right foot...shoot another one and you won't have a leg to stand on...;-)
No Aspergers, I answered you long ago.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've just exhausted me with your disease.
Its like trying to teach a cat math.
Canada was founded in 1867.
Anything before that was a British Colony.
You refuted yourself above.
Please go see a doctor.
I figured you out long ago.
63 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A repetitive mantra is not argument, the only thing you figured out was you hadn't got a clue about your own history until I brought you up to speed. Your only feeble rebutal relies solely on a personal attack in an attempt to shield yourself and your nation's bloopers.
Give it a rest Aspergers
Jan 24th, 2016 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know I'm right
And so does everyone else in here.
65 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I know I'm right. And so does everyone else in here.” If that isn't a perfect example of a mantra, I don't know what is? How long have you held this mistaken belief that anyone else agrees with you? With exception of the Argentine apologist Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire, your a match made in heaven. LOL
57...yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 059...yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
61...yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
64...yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
66...yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
...“If that isn't a perfect example of a mantra, I don't know what is?
”A repetitive mantra is not argument,”
“When cowardly individuals are not able to attack the message, they attack the messenger.” Abderrahman Hassi
Oops there goes another shoot in the foot...
Argentina has no claim,
Jan 24th, 2016 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and argentine is only in dispute with its own brain cells.
67 Argentine apologist, Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't attempt to diminish his well deserved accolades, he's earned them just like you've earned yours.
Terry me old son...
Jan 24th, 2016 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seriously can't see that you keep contradicting yourself....can you...?
You also claim I'm Vestige and Think without one iota of proof...
You need to differentiate what you believe to be true and factual...
With what is ....true and factual...
His disease doesn't allow him to understand when he's wrong.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm never very far off when I call out people's issues.
One of my many gifts.
70 Argentine apologist, Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please write in English, this isn't “...there goes another shoot in the foot...”
My definition is based on my empirical knowledge gleaned from your numerous postings under various aliases. I am totally satisfied with my conclusions. Moreover, I have used this form of address innumerable times, with unconditional acceptance by you. “can't see that you keep contradicting yourself” I can discern the difference between a title and the message.
I can also distinguish when you are being deliberately obtuse.
Its like playing with a retarded child.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd feel bad if it wasn't so funny.
71 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm never very far off when I call out people's issues. One of my many gifts.” You're the gift that keeps on giving ROFLMAO. The only gift I've noticed up to now, is a talent for blowing your own trumpet.
Don't panic
Jan 24th, 2016 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I won't tell anyone your mentally deficient.
Its a disease
You can't help yourself.
75 yankeebuoy The Gift('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 24th, 2016 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep on demonstrating your “gift” “its a disease” of delusion, ha, ha, ha “you can't help yourself.” “Debater tries to diminish the argument of his opponent by calling the opponent a name …it tells the listener more about the speaker than the person being spoken about” John T. Reed
Aren't you calling me names too?
Jan 24th, 2016 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you too dumb or does your “condition” prevent you from understanding the irony of your own posts?
They are hilarious though.
Sad thing is I bet you aren't writing them to be funny.
Which is even funnier.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0But he's got high hopes, he's got high hopes
He's got high apple pie, in the sky hopes
So there goes Terry Hill
It's inevitable
Why he'll never compete
Oops there goes another shot in the feet...
77 yankeebuoy The Gift('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 25th, 2016 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just responding to your personal attacks and further stimulating your obsessive behaviour over me.
78 Argentine apologist, Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire.
Oh! Thats so deep and profound. Look! I've got two reactionary trolls on one hook.
define Troll...
Jan 25th, 2016 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0without defining yourself...
...Oops there goes another shot in the foot...
Aspergers, poor thing doesn't realize when he's lost.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Last time he had 5 people telling him he was wrong
and he still went on and on thinking he was right
Aspergers.
poor thing
@48 Briton
Jan 25th, 2016 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting. Especially of the request to use Uruguay's T37 Dragonflies.
Honestly, you could not make this up!
I've read somewhere (sorry no link) that Argentine Tucanos are now being armed with machine guns to act as interceptors challenging incoming aircraft along Argentina's borders.
Presumably this means they can't even use Pampers.
Cue Macri requesting the loan of the RAF's Battle of Britain memorial flight to beef up Argentina's defences.
Hey Hepatia, how about making a prediction that Argentina will get a JET powered interceptor in service within 25 years?
I predict this Hepatia-the RAF pilots at MPA will p1ss themselves laughing at Argentina's Air Force within the next 25 years.
81 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 25th, 2016 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are prima facia obsessive compulsive. You go off topic to mount personal attacks. Make claims that are proven wrong by both American and Canadian historical sources. The historical truth is not defined by vox populi but by a county's archives. You made racist utterances about Canada, were proved wrong and subsequently had to eat humble pie, as the thread clearly shows. The only argument you have presented is one an ad hominem attack.
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/01/05/confirmed-brazil-faces-its-worst-economic-plunge-in-25-years
Are Canadians their own race?
Jan 25th, 2016 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe...
Aspergers can't admit when he's wrong
so very very wrong
84 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 25th, 2016 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The obsessive compulsive can't admit their wrong. You only offer unsupported assertions without proof. I am showing the record as I'm prepared to stand on it, whereas you have studiously avoided it. It's duly noted you don't deny making derogatory remarks about Canadians. “Are Canadians their own race?” You have made disparaging remarks about both Brazilians and Canadians which is ipso facto racist. Heres a legal definition of racism from the US “discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin” http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/racial-discrimination/
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
Jan 25th, 2016 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aspergers.
Canada founded 1867.
That's all the proof you need.
You complicate your assertations because your disease makes you do it.
84 yankeebuoy('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The obsessive behaviour blinds you. 6 yankeeboy “The USA never invaded Canada.” en.mercopress.com/2016/01/05/confirmed-brazil-faces-its-worst-economic-plunge-in-25-years The War of 1812 puts a dent in that assertion.”In Upper and Lower Canada, British and local Canadian militia victories over invading US armies“ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812. Thats all the proof you need. You're making an unqualified medical diagnosis relying solely on your “gift”. chortle, chortle
Aspergers,
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you proving me correct again?
Thank you.
88 yankeebuoy “The Gift”('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I must be correct, I have the Gift”. chortle, chortle
Speaking the truth again
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you.
Aspergers.
90 yankeebuoy “The Gift”('cause you're all at sea, also a liar, and not a very good one)
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, you're both unqualified and immodest, also certainly delusional. As you believe you have the power of prophesy.
Aspergers, I assure you I am neither a time traveler nor a magician but I am off the charts brilliant at seeing patterns and have a great ability to see where actions will lead.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I admit I'm not always correct.
Since I am human and man makes mistakes now and again.
Some more than others
I also assure I make a very decent living with my prognostication.
Believe what you will.
I was first to say many of the things everyone is now seeing come to fruition.
Long long long before they happened.
My next prognostication is the fall of the PC Progressive gov'ts of the EU and the EU itself breaking apart to look more like it did in the 90s pre- all this pc uber-govt b/s they have now.
Watch it roll out...
Tell me, Argentine apologists, why should Jamaicans be allowed to determine the future of Jamaica?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 092 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 29th, 2016 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I am off the charts brilliant at seeing patterns and have a great ability to see where actions will lead.” People who believe they have a 'gifts' is usually the result of grandiose delusions (GD) or delusions of grandeur.
“The grandiose subtype of delusional disorder involves the conviction of one's importance and uniqueness, … or enjoys some extraordinary powers or abilities.”
www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html
It is also a symptom of schizophrenia “They may think they have extraordinary powers and gifts.” www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/36942.phpHm! What is the greater likelihood, your claim of “One of my many gifts” or the unbiased expert's analysis that you “may simply be dumb”? “Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice; the research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults.“ www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html 37 yankeeboy: ”Nobody in the USA learns anything about Canada other than they're a little stupid and that French Canadians are dirty.” en.mercopress.com/2016/01/05/confirmed-brazil-faces-its-worst-economic-plunge-in-25-years I'd bet on the latter as he has no personal stake in issue. So all your claims remain proof-less, as in being, entirely unsupported and wholly reliant on your own proven credibility of lying. Your just the gift that keeps on giving, Oh chosen one, or some mother's do have them
Aspberger's, don't have it, but thats kind of flattering as Einstein and George Washington have been described as having it. Whereas, your condition GD you share with Adolph Hitler.
93# ”Tell me, Argentine apologists, why should Jamaicans be allowed to determine the future of Jamaica?#
Jan 29th, 2016 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because they haven't 'discovered' Jamaica yet. If they ever get their thieving hands on the Falklands, all that may change. I am sure they can dream up a few more historic injustices, which country will be next?
Aspergers, just because you haven't been diagnosed doesn't mean you don't have it.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you just spamming now? I feel like I've seen that exact same post 5 or 50 times now.
You're really not good at debate.
I refer you to this simple truth about how Americans feel about Canadians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FEW5mh7iAI
They say pictures are worth 1000 words I wonder what videos are worth?
96 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 29th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have raised the same issue several times in one form or another, that you are endowed with supernatural mental prowess of insight. Therefore, are you not spamming? So my answer in those instances will be essentially the same, otherwise I would be inconsistent. As you are a person who clearly fits the criteria for three mental illnesses, and lacks any qualifications to diagnose even a common cold, your the last person to be in position to make judgements as whether someone is non compos mentis. Its just a typical diversion tactic, as you are unable to refute any of my assertions concerning you. Before, you accuse me of spamming you should check your own posts, as there is a distinct lack of any originality as they consist of only the same ad hominem attacks.
Aspergers, I was very clear that I did not possess supernatural powers and that I was neither a time traveler nor a magician.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know I may seem one to you.
But you're not anyone would consider to be bright.
98 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 29th, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But you're not anyone would consider to be bright.” Thats true, in comparison to you, by any objective criteria I'd be considered brilliant.
Aspergers, I think its a pretty solid wager nobody in your whole life has every referred to you as brilliant.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 29th, 2016 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately thats a bad guess by you, like most of your others. As I have enjoyed such a description in a professional capacity. The actual expression was “Sheer genius”
Bahahaha
Jan 30th, 2016 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was that in the psych ward when you were a kid?
Aspergers, you're clearly not well.
102 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 30th, 2016 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All you've shown is a self-revealing prophesy, as the only circumstances where such an event could possibly have occurred in you're apparently uneventful life. Moreover, it is conclusive evidence that your peers never bestowed you with any such honorem.
Aspergers, I think “conclusive evidence” must mean something else in Canada.
Jan 30th, 2016 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly you're not an attorney.
You're really stupid.
I feel sorry for you.
104 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 30th, 2016 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Coming from you is praise indeed, so babble on little brook.
I also have conclusive evidence (the canadian kind) that you have Aspergers.
Jan 31st, 2016 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0sooo stupid.
106 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 31st, 2016 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0These thoughts based on “I am off the charts brilliant at seeing patterns and have a great ability to see where actions will lead.” and “One of my many gifts.” I hate to break it to you, but these ideas you form aren't reality. They are delusions caused by an inadequate person trying to compensate with an oversized ego.
Aspergers, I am rarely wrong. I've been on here many years posting stuff that is rolling out now for all to see and to confirm.
Jan 31st, 2016 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You on the other hand have a mental problem.
That is clear for all to see.
You are also a dimwit.
108 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 31st, 2016 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am off the charts ” You certainly are Ollie as your own words and behaviour define you absolutely. So far you exhibit the characteristics of delusions of grandeur,schizophrenia. Also the symptoms of
inferiority complex “and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate, resulting either in spectacular achievement or extreme asocial behaviour.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferiority_complex all of these have been cited and referenced against your own statements. You claim I suffer from a syndrome that is associated with geniuses and am also stupid or a dimwit. You can't have the argument both ways. Allegans contraria non est audiendus (Jenk. Cent. 16): “He is not to be heard who alleges things contradictory to each other.” This elementary rule of logic expresses, in technical language, the saying that a man shall not be permitted to “blow hot and cold” with reference to the same transaction, or insist, at different times, on the truth of each of two conflicting allegations, according to the promptings of his private interest. Says the Satyr, if you have gotten a trick of blowing hot and cold out of the same mouth, I've e'en done“ with ye. en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Legal_counsel
Moreover, your claims have not one iota of support. So your unqualified opinions carry zero weight. So the only thing you've actually proved is you're a blowhard.
Aspergers, All you've actually proved is you're mentally ill and a dimwit.
Jan 31st, 2016 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's “conclusive evidence” as supported by your nutty posts.
Go see a doctor.
They have medicine for your problems now.
110 yankeebuoy “The Gifts” or “nut-bar”('cause you're all at sea, a liar, and not a good one)
Jan 31st, 2016 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Further contradiction in speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Yet another contradiction, ”conclusive evidence” but cannot furnish one example with supported proof. So unfailing you don't even come close to the criteria of meeting your burden of proof, so you are exposed yet again as a liar. Dispensing your medical advice, when you're not even qualified to handle a bedpan.
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