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Gibraltar talking with Scotland about how to remain in the European Union
Gibraltar is in talks with Scotland about a plan to keep parts of the UK in the EU, according to BBC Newsnight. Fabian Picardo, the territory's chief minister, told the BBC he was speaking to Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, about various options. One possibility under discussion is for Gibraltar and Scotland, which both voted to remain in the EU, to maintain the UK's membership of the bloc. Read full article
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Jun 28th, 2016 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably the most farcical Brexsteria I've heard so far.
Mr Picado.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's in or out, no half measures.
But Gibraltar does have a choice. You don't have to abide by the democratic will of the British people. You can vote to become part of Spain or to become independent.
All your problems solved, right?
The Treaty of Utrecht specifically states that in the event that Britain no longer wishes to maintain sovereignty over Gibraltar, then Spain is to have that sovereignty offered in the first place. Hence the reason that Gibraltar wants to remain British. It does not have the option of full independence
Jun 28th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Won't work. If Scotland says yes Spain will quickly use its veto. No Indy Scotland.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bye bye Spanish trawlers in Scottish waters.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Eck
Jun 28th, 2016 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Treaty of Utrect is obsolete.
Firstly because Spain broke it within a few years of signing it by trying to invade Gibraltar.
Secondly the UN Charter supersedes ALL previous treaties. So that means that ONLY the people of Gibraltar have a say on their sovereignty.
So no Spain doesn't get 1st 'dibs' on Gibraltar.
At 5 - Aye, would be good to see them go.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We nearly were rammed by one on a poor night west of the Hebridies.
My skipper actually had to fire a distress flare at their bridge to make them alter.
(we had right of way)
@7
Jun 28th, 2016 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right of way for who? UK drives on the left and Spain drives on the right. LOL
At 8 - Ah, that must have been the problem.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fabian Picardo
Jun 28th, 2016 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are about to learn some hard facts,
one and one don't make three ?
I would have thought that the ONLY position Gib would be safe in would be as it is now OR does Picardo WANT Gollom on the frontier any time soon?
Jun 28th, 2016 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Denmark Greenland situation is not analogous with the UK Scotland/Gibraltar situation.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kingdom of Denmark (a sovereign state) is a member while Greenland (one of its constituent parts - the others being Denmark proper and the Faroe islands) is not.
Scotland and/or Gibraltar having some kind of membership would be the opposite of this: subnational entities as members of the EU while their sovereign state is not. As far as I know the EU has no provision for this kind of situation.
Clyde15 I'd buy you a drink me old beam. As for Fabian he sounds like a Pic.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've got a remedy for you Pigardo...
Jun 28th, 2016 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...the second word is .... off.....
Mmm thought his name was Picardo.
Jun 29th, 2016 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems, when it comes down to it, loyalty is a one way street.
Jun 29th, 2016 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK faces serious issues in the short to medium term and we will find out who our friends really are.
This is quite laughable. Wee Jimmie Krankie should have kept her counsel until she saw how the cards played out. The EU without the UK is broken. Does she really want to tie the Scots to a failed EU, with more countries likely to push for a referendum on membership?
Jun 29th, 2016 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they are out, they lose the money from the UK, will the EU pick up the tab, after the loss of the second largest net contributor.
She went into the Scottish referendum with an economic policy based on oil at $120 a barrel and we know what happened to that. She also believes that the oil is all Scotland's, regardless of the development money from the UK over the years. At lower oil prices there is less incentive for chasing the remaining barrels anyway. She also claimed Scotland could come out without any National Debt as their share could be left behind with the new UK.
She and the Slitheren Salmond are not good for Scotland. Gibraltar is foolish to think she has anything to offer them. If they really want to be part of the EU, join Spain.
@6. I don't think you're quite right about the UN Charter superseding all previous treaties. Is it not the case that previous treaties or parts of treaties cannot be enforced if they are at odds with the UN Charter? Wouldn't that be a matter for lawyers and the ICJ? The Treaty of Utrecht is a strange beast. It's actually a whole group of treaties. I'm struck by the thought that successive British governments have felt bound by Article X. Why would they take that stance if the solution is simply that Article X is superseded by the Charter. And it shouldn't be forgotten that successive Chief Ministers have been aware of Britain's attitude. And Picardo is a lawyer.
Jun 29th, 2016 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the real news:
Jun 30th, 2016 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Leading London-listed shares have recorded their biggest daily rise since October 2011, regaining all their losses and more since the Brexit vote, with nearly £60bn added to the value of Britain’s top 100 companies.”
There are still some bargains out there while the frightened rabbits are still cowering in their holes. We've made a good chunk of money in the past few days.
Gibraltar
Jul 01st, 2016 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could well sell herself down the drain,
he wants the best of both worlds,
so do we all, but it wont happen.
According to Nicola, the second referendum is “on the table”, be in no doubt “on the table” is a second referendum.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lest we forget, the second referendum, is still “on the table”.
It’s “on the table”, the second referendum, without any doubt.
F*ck all use “on the table” Luv, is it!
Referendums are all the rage nowadays,
Jul 04th, 2016 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yep, lets have another one, or 3 or 5 /
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