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Post-Brexit “clear and explicit commitments” to Gibraltar wanted from UK political parties
The Gibraltar Government is calling on Britain’s political parties to make “clear and explicit commitments” to Gibraltar in their manifestos for the June 8 general election. Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said his government would seek assurances on Gibraltar’s post-Brexit future from parties contesting the UK election. Read full article
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Apr 27th, 2017 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Errrrrm..., Mr. EscoSesDoidao...
Apr 27th, 2017 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Yet another point of coincidence between you, Graig Murray and El Think...:
From your above linked article...:
《“Still less is there a “right of self-determination” for an entire Imperial client population to leech off tax avoidance activities by virtue of their Imperial possession status. The right of self-determination DOES NOT APPLY to the colonists of Gibraltar, who LIKE THE FALKLANDERS are an introduced Imperial population”》
;-)))
Pip..., Pip...
The right of self-determination DOES NOT APPLY to the colonists of Argentina who LIKE THE FALKLANDERS are an introduced Imperial population”》
Apr 27th, 2017 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PM Rajoy- Gibraltar “this is the such territory in Europe and that affects to our own integrity territorial”, said the Mr Rajoy, saying that Britain had “ignored the mandate” of the Assembly General of the UN. (Daily Telegraph, 26 September 2013).
Apr 27th, 2017 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hm. Let's take a look: Gibraltar – Territorial Integrity:
https://www.academia.edu/29347730/Gibraltar_-Territorial_Integrity
Err.. little shitstirrer Think. Doesnt it occur to you that YOU are part of an unwelcome implanted foreign Colonialist population collectively guilty of Genocide?
Apr 27th, 2017 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Barbary Apes in Gibraltar are implanted too, they are descended from apes originally from Africa. You exhibit a similar level of intelligence time and again....
Chuckle chuckle.....
Yeah, I've never understood this argument. How are the people who moved to Gibraltar different to the ones who moved to Bermuda, or to the Cayman Islands, or to the British Virgin Islands? They are all tax havens with an introduced population too. It's dishonest to pretend there is a difference in the people, when the real and significant difference is whether some other country claims that land or not.
Apr 27th, 2017 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT
Apr 27th, 2017 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Because it suits his purpose to selectively choose and then ignore the rest because that would negate the argument.
TWIMC...
Apr 27th, 2017 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2As the great Robert Zimmerman once wrote...:
THE ANSWER... ME FRIENDS... IS BLOWING IN THE..《“Still less is there a “right of self-determination” for an entire Imperial client population to leech off tax avoidance activities by virtue of their Imperial possession status.” 》phrase...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
The UN says there is such a right, for the 'introduced imperial populations' of the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, and the British Virgin Islands.
Apr 27th, 2017 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It strikes me as not just wrong, but a cowardly argument, because it saves people like Craig Murray from having to admit that they don't think the right to self determination is a universal one; they are happy to ignore it when convenient and apply it when it suits them, just like the British government do.
Demon Tree. I posted that becuause of the often over looked factual info about Gibraltar. I do not agree with Murray's remarks regarding the Falkland Islands or the population of them.
Apr 27th, 2017 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please elaborate on ''they are happy to ignore it when convenient and apply it when it suits them, just like the British government do.''
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Apr 27th, 2017 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“The often over looked factual info about Gibraltar”... as Wee Doidao calls it...
The smuggling of cigarettes from Gibraltar to Spain..., for example...
An open British criminal activity that costs the Spanish state some 200,000,000 million €uros... yearly...
http://cadenaser.com/emisora/2017/03/17/radio_algeciras/1489734677_655598.html
Huh Craig Murray...the English wannabe Scot...
Apr 27th, 2017 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Even the SNP won't entertain him...
Mind your own business...Englishman...
Guffaw...!!!
Apr 28th, 2017 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +1Ol' voicey the fake Scot is once again dictating who is eligible to comment.
Sorry Scot's wannabe, it ain't up to you.
Ja ja ja... !
:-D
“dictating who is eligible to comment.”
Apr 28th, 2017 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse -2Oh wow has Craig Murray been commenting on here....? Where...?
...fool
You don't know what you're talking aboot...
@EscoSesDoidao
Apr 28th, 2017 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know how well known that 'factual info about Gibraltar' is, but I don't think the question of whether it is a tax haven or not has any bearing on whether the people should be able to determine their own future, or whether it should be handed back to Spain. The EU would have been best placed to do something about this, but it didn't care to, probably because other member states do similar things to a lesser degree.
Do you also disagree with Murray's very similar remarks about the population of Gibraltar?
What I meant by my comment about ignoring it when it suits them is that both are happy to pick and choose which populations have self-determination based not on differences in the people themselves but on convenience. For the British government, the Chagossians have no rights because they were in the way of building a US military base. And their justifications for this sound a lot like what Argentina says about the Falklanders.
For Murray, he thinks it would be right for Britain to return Gibraltar to Spain, which IF NO ONE LIVED THERE, I would agree with. But self-determination for the Gibraltarians gets in the way of that, so rather than making a difficult decision about which is more important, he conveniently concludes they are an 'imperial client population', whatever that means.
TWIMC...
Apr 28th, 2017 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse -2Been looking at the “Gibraltar Business Model”...
They import yearly some 170,000,000 packs of fags...
They tax eack pack with £1.20...,what covers about 30% of Gib's yearly drift budget...
Only ~10% of them cigarettes are legaly sold in the Rock..., the rest “dissapears misteriously”...
The Spanish government calculates that this “Viveza Inglesa” costs them ~200,000,000€ yearly...
And that's only half of the ~£400,000,000 that the Engrish government calculates they miss yearly in taxation from the Engrish betting industry offshored to Gibraltar...
After all that “Viveza Inglesa”..., the Imperial Client Population of Gibraltar still has the Chutzpah of asking for a...: Clear and explicit commitments to Gibraltar from UK political parties...》
Señor Craig Murray is quite right about them...
Think, Gibraltar may be British but it's no more English than Scotland is. Invent some other viveza if you must.
Apr 28th, 2017 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1Some of those cigarettes are sold to cruise ship passengers and other tourists, the rest presumably to smugglers. Stamping out the smuggling would certainly be a good thing but that doesn't require Gib to be Spanish. Whether Gib is a bad neighbour or not is irrelevant to Spain's argument, and they wouldn't stop claiming sovereignty if it abandoned all those things tomorrow.
What is an 'imperial client population' anyway, Think? My best guess is 'people who support British sovereignty because the alternative is worse', and your own comments on Gibraltar suggest you agree.
Mr. DemonTree....
Apr 30th, 2017 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A I have explained several times already on these pages..., for us foreigners..., there ain't no difference between you Jocks..., Paddies..., Taffies..., Brutish... or UKranians...
You are all Engrish for us...
Like for you Engrish..., there ain't no difference between les Languedocien..., les Normans..., les Alsaciens.., les Champenois... or les Provençals... they are all Frogs...
Comprende..., Inglés...?
I have noticed this. Even your newspapers get it wrong which is just lazy. You wouldn't think it's that hard to get the name of the country right, maybe it's the separate football teams that confuse people?
Apr 30th, 2017 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you tried explaining to someone from Ireland that you think there is no difference? I want to know how they reacted.
Also what do you call people from Andalusia, or Asturias, or Catalonia, or the Basque country?
DT
May 01st, 2017 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0El Foreigner glosses over differences.
Strong identifiable cultural differences between Ireland, Wales, England, andveach with their own Parliament.
Some jealous, envious Hispanic wannabes even pose as Scots, though they too differentiate strongly between Scots vs English, Welsh, N. Irish.
Whereas, the French are simply divided into Parisiennes and assorted unimportant Provincials.
So they say.
We don't each have our own parliament. NI and Wales have assemblies; don't ask me what the difference is. England doesn't have its own parliament or assembly and most people don't want one. The previous Labour government did have plans for Regional Assemblies in England but the first area they tried rejected it in a referendum so they gave up on the idea.
May 01st, 2017 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm certainly not an expert on France, but I doubt it's that simple. I imagine French Guiana and Corsica are pretty different to most of France, and the Basque country is partly in France as well as Spain; people there speak their own language and it's a particularly interesting one too. Also I think you mean Parisien?
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