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Governor Maria Eugenia Vidal fighting corruption and graft in Buenos Aires province
Buenos Aires province governor Maria Eugenia Vidal said that the union boss arrested in Uruguay is one of “the many Balcedo and Caballos Suarez”, who before were protected, and today are behind bars”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat a breath of fresh air, what say you Enrique and BK?
Jan 09th, 2018 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse +2A truely courageous woman and a feature leader.
Jan 09th, 2018 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse +2God bless her and let's hope she stays alive through 2018. It's impressive she's fired 7.900 members of the provincial police force.
Jan 09th, 2018 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse +2Sounds like she's doing a good job if that is all true.
Jan 09th, 2018 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Peronists leaders despised her by saying that she was only “a rich girl without contact with reality” but they had the (bad) surprise of their lives. She won the election in one of the argentine provinces with highest rate of adhesion to retrograde Peronism.
Jan 09th, 2018 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +2She is politically conservative and in some social aspects she has a very “old fashion” vision, such as in reproductive health, in sexual education or in her anti-abortion positions.
But, I have to admit that after 28 consecutive years of Peronist governors is trying to clean the Province of Buenos Aires from mafias before it becomes a “Mexican State”.
For the time being, she is succeeding. She was forced to move to a military base for her safety and is causing many people to fall: policemen, trade unionists, businessmen, etc.
If I lived in the Province of Buenos Aires, despite my political differences, I would undoubtedly vote for her.
Hey, at last we can agree with pgerman !!
Jan 09th, 2018 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Vidal is truly a hero. Long may she run.
Vidal becoming BA's governor has been the most surprising and welcome fact of Argentine politics.
Jan 09th, 2018 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I wish she would run for president in 2019.
Marti
Jan 09th, 2018 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Hey, at last we can agree with pgerman !!”
Me too!
What No BK or Enrique Quelle surprise.
Jan 09th, 2018 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I am almost moved to tears by reading the unanimously loving expressions of approval for Maria Eugenia Vidal, aka Heidi, no doubt one of the most skilfull and ruthless politicians in Macri's team.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse -5As an aside, Perfil.com reported this week that two companies of the Grupo Macri and associates made a handsome US$ 48 million by purchasing and later selling wind power projects.
Sideco Americana, the banner company of Macri's holdings formed four companies on the name of one of its accountants, and through them acquired six wind power projects in Miramar, Buenos Aires province, and in Chubut.
Months later, they sold the projects with the aforementioned profit.
If you think you have discovered corruption in the CFK government, you ain't seen nothing yet; wait till cracks begin to appear and judges begin to investigate numerous denunciations on Macri and family.
http://www.perfil.com/policia/mauricio-macri-defendio-las-licitaciones-eolicas-que-gano-su-familia.phtml
Ridiculous Reekie doesn't seem to appreciate the difference between legitimate business development and a fraudulent, corrupt, criminal KKleptocracy.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse +3We all know that South America in general is bent, one thing is earning a profit for oneself and another is ripping off the populace Aka Cristina feathering her own nest with pension funds.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse +2“Heidi”, was the contemptuous nickname that authoritarian, and conservative, populist invented and applied to ME Vidal.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse +2She was considered to be a “naive and rich girl playing at being governor” but she surprised all the “macho” Peronists of the Province of Buenos Aires by defeating them. Just after winning the elections, surpassed the ugly surprise and disillusionment Peronist, a chorus of sexist jokes started. A supposed populist “intellectual” wrote that “her skin is so white and she is so naïve that she will end up working in a brothel in the province.”
In a province with a high level of domestic violence against women, a Peronist mayor told the media that “they wanted to beat her” just because she did not answer his phone calls. (He used a terrible expression that we Argentines have “cagar a trompadas”).
But, little by little, “Heidi” disciplined them, took out their sources of illegal financing, fought corruption as no Peronist governor ever did before, gained more popularity and won them back in the last parliamentary elections.
Yesterday, she announced the cancellation of three mega irregular casinos that were 23 years old (Peronism ruled the province for the last 28 years in a row).
As I said, I do not have a great political affinity with ME Vidal and I have plenty of doubts about her, but I have to admit that she is the best thing that has politically happened to the province of Buenos Aires and to the Argentine policy itself.
Enrique Massot, I am surprised that you, who claim to be “leftist” and, therefore, would make you a great fighter for gender equality and respect for women, use the expression “Heidi” .....
If this article isn't biased I don't know what is. Frankly if I had an official journalistic position I'd be embarrassed to put out something so sycophantic even on Cristina. Clearly the right are looking for a Plan B if Macri proves too corrupt or extreme to run again. Everything from the wording to the title to the picture is trying to paint this simpering fraud as a badass - watch a real badass demolish her here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ClDokEKvQ
Jan 10th, 2018 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -5@British_Kirchnerist
Jan 10th, 2018 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“The right” are you peronists..you decorated dictator Francisco Franco, you decorated dictator Augusto Pinochet, you decorated dictator Alfredo Stroessnerr, you decorated cuban dictator Batista, you decorated Nicolae Caucescu, you decorated venezuelan dictator Maduro.
You could have made political alliances with democrats such as Wiston Churchill or Charles De Gaulle but preferred Francisco Franco. You could have choose Castro but you preferred Batista...
You forced religious mandatory education back in Argentina when Peron started ruling the country.
Isabel Peron, the second peronist President, started the illegal repression and illegally forced 1.000 people toi dissapear...
You, peronist, are THE RIGHT !!!...and the worse “right”: the fascist and authoritarian right.
@BK
Jan 10th, 2018 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -5“I'd be embarrassed to put out something so sycophantic even on Cristina”
I find that very hard to believe.
@pgerman
“She is politically conservative and in some social aspects she has a very “old fashion” vision, such as in reproductive health, in sexual education or in her anti-abortion positions.”
But not on divorce, apparently. Those things make me like her less, but getting rid of corruption is still a very good thing.
Enrique Massot
Jan 10th, 2018 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You recently been to Thailand lately?
From one of YOUR news sources: “A tourist who had 'taken too many sex drugs' was arrested after rampaging through an airport yelling incoherently and throwing his feces at staff. Crazed transgender holidaymaker identifying himself as Enrique Massot was eventually stopped by six security guards in the departure hall of Phuket International Airport, Thailand, having allegedly overdosed on Viagra and strolling around naked while smashing airport shop goods.”
There you go, we're reading the posts of a sexually deranged maniac.
Fake news is a bitch...
Lets deal with a few red herrings - I'm obviously not against a tough woman getting the better of the macho men who misunderestimated her, Cristina did it all the time when she was in power - and I believe will again. (And she not Vidal is still the main target of machist abuse in Argentine politics) I don't even hold her views on abortion against her, which are similar to Cristina's on that matter of conscience (though what I like about Cristina's position is that she's pro-life but uber-liberal on “related” issues like gay rights and feminism, a real free thinker, while Vidal is more predictable) And of course I have no problem with her being from a rich background, many great socialists have been, just that she has rather greedily committed herself to making her own class even better off.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4But I have disliked her for a long time, ever since she was Macri's deputy at the city government and was rather enthusiastically endorsing the use of riot police to repress protesters. A dark cloud in the bright sky of Cristina's humanitarian reign, maybe no bigger than the size of Donald Trump's hand but a harbinger of the terrible storms to come.
pgerman There is both left and right in Peronism. Cristina is firmly on the left while Vidal is a leading member of an openly conservative, pro-upper-class party - the first to win in Argentina since it got male universal suffrage before we got it here, and the most right wing Argentine government since Galtieri.
DT “I find that very hard to believe” I knew somebody would ;) But I meant there's a difference between what I personally believe and what I'd put out if I was meant/trusted to be unbiased like mercopress or whatever the original source for this tripe is. Elaine B would call the tone of this article masturbatory if she was consistent, no?
“But not on divorce, apparently” Unless she's just a hypocrite. “Those things make me like her less” You think she should be more conservative, you surprise me ;)
@BK
Jan 10th, 2018 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“You think she should be more conservative”
Of course not. I strongly dislike such views and most of the people who profess them. People who claim to support those things usually are hypocritical, remember Major and his 'Back to Basics' campaign?
And while I take your point about the difference between private views and reporting, I don't see the tone of the article as masturbatory. It talks about things she's achieved, and quotes her extensively. What exactly gives you that impression?
I know you didn't, I was just having a bit of fun with the way you put it “But not on divorce, apparently...make me like her less” ;) And yes most of these conservative posers are hypocrites.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“What exactly gives you that impression?”
*I* wouldn't call it that, I was just saying Elaine should if she was consistent. I do think its sycophantic though and posing as neutral when it like the “union sharks...thug jungle of the union movement” etc article clearly are not. As you yourself said mercopress does have a clear editorial preference, no?
“Peronism is an ideological idea that can be left and right.” Those who say that (it is an argument very commonly heard in Argentina) do not know the argentine history and the ideological, economic and religious interests in conflict in the country.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I could extend myself a lot (too much) demonstrating the “right” ideological character of Peronism (the GOU, affinity to the EJE, asylum to Nazi war criminals, the influence of “Catholic Action”, the organization and financing of the “AAA”, its opposition to the divorce in 1983, its opposition to abortion and sexual health, the ideological organization of the unions, etc ...
Once a radio journalist said that “a leftist Peronist is like a bald with braids” ... this is impossible.
I believe that Peronism is as leftist as Benito Mussolini could have been or, as is Jorge Bergoglio, from the Vatican comfort, the luxury and cynicism can be...
“a leftist Peronist is like a bald with braids” I didn't know Donald Trump was a left Peronist ;)
Jan 10th, 2018 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“or, as is Jorge Bergoglio” He really is as it happens =) Of course he had his differences with Cristina but on becoming Pope their friendship has been a beautiful thing - and it wasn't just because of her position, he's been wonderfully frosty with Macri!
Chicureo,
Jan 10th, 2018 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Crazed transgender holidaymaker identifying himself as Enrique Massot ...”
Our Reekie is crazier than this: http://www.enriquemassot.ca/about-me.html ;-)
@BK
Jan 10th, 2018 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -5“I was just saying Elaine should if she was consistent.”
Not unless the article was telling us how brave, and beautiful, and admired she is... but it wasn't. It tells us what she's been doing to clear up corruption. I don't see your problem at all. The article is certainly favourable, but doesn't come across as sycophantic, whereas the union sharks stuff is indeed strikingly biased.
@pgerman
You've got to be joking. Are you claiming CFK is right wing, or that she's not a Peronist?
@ZB
Doesn't seem crazy at all. And he's had plenty of 'real' jobs too, as well as living in 3 countries. I don't understand why people here have such a problem with him.
@BK
Jan 10th, 2018 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Please. Don’t avoid the discussion about the true Peronism political nature.
Of course CKF, chased Bergoglio once he became Pope. She crawled before him and lost the little dignity she had. All for a photo, and a blessing, from the Pope. But CFK didn’t know, as an ignorant woman she is, that the Vatican State is 2,000 years old. Bergoglio clearly used her when it suited him. Now, being CFK only a decadent senator surrounded by Justice, Bergoglio totally ignores her. No more pictures with the Pope….
“The Pope is Peron's representative on Earth” as it is now said in Argentina. This fact is, precisely, what should give you a clue about what, really, Peronism represents for the hegemonic economic and religious interests of the Catholic Church. The same foreign State that led to the Conquest, obscurantism, the Inquisition, fascism in Europe, the Military Governments in South America now tries to save Peronism from its decline.
The Vatican was “warm” with Mussolini, Franco, the South American military dictators, Menem, etc. The Vatican was “cold” with W Churchill, Charles De Gaulle, Alfonsin, etc ...
Bergoglio has been warm with Maduro, CFK, Castro, etc, but has been “cold” with Justin Trudeau, Macri, Obama, etc. His coldness, indifference and distance are more than welcome. I welcome his physical absence in Argentine territory. The farther he, and its political operators, stays from Argentina the better its future will be. History proves this.
ZB
Jan 10th, 2018 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Both EM and BK seem to have a habit of throwing their feces at rational good people.
BK is apparently a more mendacious peroncho than even ridiculous reekie. Pope Francisco friends with CFK? Ha ha ha. That is a silly thing to say, in attempting to take us for fools.
Jan 10th, 2018 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“ Es un secreto a voces que la presidenta de Argentina, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, y el papa Francisco no son los mejores amigos.”
Lealo y llore:
http://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias/2013/03/130314_tensiones_entre_el_kirchnerismo_y_jorge_mario_bergoglio_bd
But BK would have us believe that CFK suddenly turned friendly with Bergoglio just as soon as he was made pope? What does that say about someone?
pgerman I wonder if I've seen you in Glasgow, marching and playing the flute ;)
Jan 10th, 2018 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -6“She crawled before him and lost the little dignity she had...But CFK didn’t know, as an ignorant woman she is”
But of course you hate the Catholic Church for its sexism ;)
“the Vatican State is 2,000 years old...The same foreign State”
Never mind CFK some people thought JFK couldn't be President due to “foreign allegiance”, would you have been one of them if you were in the States in 1960?
“Bergoglio has been warm with...Castro, etc, but has been “cold” with Justin Trudeau, Macri, Obama, etc”
Didn't you say Peron should have backed Castro though??
“His coldness, indifference and distance are more than welcome. I welcome his physical absence in Argentine territory. The farther he, and its political operators, stays from Argentina the better its future will be.”
Maybe he should come back and run for President just to really wind you up ;)
ML “But BK would have us believe that CFK suddenly turned friendly with Bergoglio just as soon as he was made pope?” Its better than that Marti, *he* suddenly became friendly with *her*. Moved from Argentina where he was to the right of the government to the Vatican where he was definitely not to the right of most of his Cardinals, he either became a changed man or maybe just appeared to change by staying still in a new context. What he has said about capitalism etc since becoming Pope has been inspirational, as have the reforms he's tried to make in his organisations and the progressive stances he's taken on Christian doctrine - and all make him and Cristina natural allies.
Chicureo Grow up
@BK
Jan 10th, 2018 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Didn't you say Peron should have backed Castro though??” I have never wrote that.
I wrote that he could have decorated and made political alliances with Churchill or De Gaulle but he preferred Francisco Franco. A proof Peron was a fascist.
I wrote that he could have choose Castro but he preferred Batista. Another proof of his furious rightist ideals.
TWIMC...
Jan 11th, 2018 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse -2Time to give me humble opinion about the two central points of this article...
1) Corrupt Trade Unions...:
I would roughly divide the Argentinean trade union universe in two main groups...:
Group A)...: Composed by ~80% of the Argie unions..., controlled reasonably democratically by its members and leaded by decent people leaving a normal life...
Group B)...: Composed of ~20% of the Argie unions..., controlled and leaded by lowlifes...
It is a good thing that Group B is being put straight...
It is a bad thing if Group A is destroyed under the excuse that all trade unions are the same shiat...
And..., by the way..., them lowlifes from Group B are NOT being taken down by Governor Vidal...
They are being taken down in most cases by 10, 7, 5, or 3 years old denounces initiated by either workers or functionaries of the previous Kirchner administration and applied today by judges considered as Kirchnerites...
2) Corrupt Police Force...:
I would roughly divide the Argentinean Police universe in two main groups...:
Group A)...: Composed of ~20% of decent Argie policemen...
Group B)...: Composed of ~80% of lowlifes...
The current purge of about 15% of the force..., a thing that has been tried many times before..., is clearly insufficient..., specially when 50% of the fired policemen have been dismissed because they were Trotskists, Kirchnerists Communists, Humanists or other type of “ists” that don't please the current Macrists leaders...
The result is always the same... The corrupt policemen “liberate” their respective zones creating even more insecurity and criminality...
That's why Governor Vidal ended living in a military base... A baaaaad choice..., by the way...
In her Crusade against corrupt policemen..., she ended seeking refuge among murderers, kidnappers, rapists, baby snatchers, nun rippers and God knows what else...
Also sprach El Think
British_Kirchnerist
Jan 11th, 2018 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1I wonder if I've seen you in the Sarry Heid...?...;-)
BK
Jan 11th, 2018 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse -1It's just so obvious an individual like you would have 'taken too many sex drugs' was arrested after rampaging through an airport yelling incoherently and throwing his feces at staff.” Sort of fits your personality.
Oppsss....it seems that Buenos Aires Province justice hits again right now !!!!
Jan 11th, 2018 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/policiales/2018/01/11/detuvieron-a-la-cupula-de-la-uocra-de-bahia-blanca-su-lider-tenia-valijas-con-dinero-y-drogas/
DT,
Jan 11th, 2018 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“Doesn't seem crazy at all.”
I was joking.
“And he's had plenty of 'real' jobs too, as well as living in 3 countries.”
True, but he seems to have re-trained a few times. Was he trying to re-invent himself? Would you call it a successful career? Does being a board member count as a “real” job?
“I don't understand why people here have such a problem with him.”
Have you seen what he writes and how he is so frequently caught out presenting “alternative facts”?
“Have you seen what he writes and how he is so frequently caught out presenting “alternative facts”?”
Jan 11th, 2018 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It's hardly the worst crime in the world and certainly not proportionate to the amount of grief folk on here give him...
Besides I'm a master of re-inventing myself and it's worked well for me...
Chill out man...
Voice,
Jan 12th, 2018 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It's hardly the worst crime in the world”
No, but it is fundamentally dishonest.
“and certainly not proportionate to the amount of grief folk on here give him...”
I disagree. If he makes strong claims using false facts he should be called out for it. I'd expect the same of anyone, myself included. If you are proven wrong on a point of fact, the correct thing to do would be to accept your error, apologise and stand corrected. He never does this which infers that his behaviour is deliberate and he is therefore a liar. Do you think that this sort of behaviour is acceptable for an adult?
“Besides I'm a master of re-inventing myself and it's worked well for me...”
Good for you. I'm all for re-inventing yourself but a sequence of failed re-inventions is indicative of a problem.
@ZB
Jan 12th, 2018 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What alternative facts has he been presenting?
And I haven't seen many people calling him out about 'alternative facts'. I have seen a lot of people personally abusing him and making up shit about him.
What was this but a lot of baseless speculation where you assume the worst motive for everything?
“Reekie seems to have railed against the unfairness of it all and tried to re-train but got stuck again and he resents this. This fits with his attitude to the world and CFK who he sees as someone who could have given him everything he wanted without him having to go through all of the pain he has endured. Understandable, but not the best attitude. Trying to get elected as a concillor fits this pattern - it looks like he is trying it because everything else failed and I guess the electorate picked up on that.”
Voice is right, the amount of grief people give him is way out of proportion to any offence. Especially considering some of the really awful posters we have on here...
By the way...
Jan 12th, 2018 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ex Vice-President Amado Boudou arrested a couple of months ago in Governor Maria Eugenia Vidal's “farcical fight against corruption and graft”..., has just been released...
Veritas Omnia Vincit...
What tinkle failed to mention is though Boudou is not at the moment in pretrial custody, the charges against him still stand.
Jan 13th, 2018 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC...
Jan 13th, 2018 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. D'elía..., a caris/problematic Kirchnerist activist..., currently jailed under a farcical charge of treason..., and certainly not my favourie cup of tea..., has said something quite interesting a couple of days ago...
Something about politcal leaders benefiting in their human development from some weeks in jail...
I share his opinon... What doesn't kill you can make you stronge..., indeed...
As yesterdays video from Ex Vice-President Amado Bodou clearly shows...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnupRIXgdZY
Former vice-president Amado Boudou's liberation is a slap on the face of team Macri's strategy of jailing opponents to divert attention from his increasingly unpopular policies.
Jan 14th, 2018 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse +1“The detention was utterly unfounded,” a federal appeals court stated in its ruling, noting that the defendant has complied with all court orders.
However, “the charges against him still stand,” states Marti to console himself. And he is right. Lijo attempted to justify jailing Boudou by alleging the former vice-president had the “power to obstruct justice” thanks to old contacts. Problem is, in the 70-day period Boudou spent behind bars, Lijo was unable to make any progress on Boudou's charges, and the appeals court did note that.
”The judge (Lijo), in 70 days, has not so much as issued a clear indictment - such that he either had no probable cause with which to link the accused to the alleged crimes, or had no real urgency to act as the judge claims,“ notes DemocraticUnderground.com.
”Both Boudou and Congressman de Vido, who's 67 and diabetic, were denied the customary benefit of house arrest - a benefit Macri and close allies like Congresswoman Elisa Carrió, who spearheaded de Vido's expulsion from the House, have been actively seeking for the 733 officers convicted of human rights atrocities during the 1976-83 dictatorship.”
https://www.democraticunderground.org/110858984
Exactly. That is where the double standard applied by the government through his friendly judges appears blatantly.
It has to be said that, while unjustifiable for a judge, it appears they are under severe pressure to comply. In Novembre, the government threatened Lijo with a judiciary process, after conducting an audit on the length of Lijo's pending cases.
Coincidentally, information surfaced about Lijo's brother having US$ 1.7 million stashed in a secret account in Swiss.
If the Argentine justice system wasn't good before, it is now melting down and becoming a mere shadow of itself.
Even tbe Pope!.....
Jan 14th, 2018 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Pope Heads to Chile and Peru, Argentines Feel Snubbed Again https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/14/world/americas/pope-francis-chile-argentina.html
TWIMC...
Jan 14th, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Juppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp....
Even the Pope dislikes the Macri administration rancid Neocon asocial policies...
He much prefers to meet the Mapuches to defuse the ongoing Neocon plot against them...
Exactly Think - the Pope's friendship with Cristina was a joy to behold, and the contrast in his relations with Macri is obvious for those with eyes to see =)
Jan 14th, 2018 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1If you think that there is any sort of sincere “friendship” between CFK and the pope that is other than for political purposes, you need serious reality counseling.
Jan 14th, 2018 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then why didn't he renew it with Macri?
Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1The Pope is unable to renew the relationship he had with Cristina with Macri. Cristina used to use taxpayer funds to fly out for urgent consultations with the pope. The Pope in return granted her an audience in line with what he has done for many other heads of state, Catholic and otherwise.
Jan 15th, 2018 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The Pope is unable to grant an audience to Macri if he doesn't fly over there and ask for one.
Still waiting for any kind of indications as to how these papal audiences benefitted the people of Argentina. Perhaps there were some sort of major trade deal between Argentina and Vatican City? The reality seems to be it was an ego trip for the President and a highly repetitive pointless obligation for the Holy Father.
DT,
Jan 15th, 2018 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What alternative facts has he been presenting?”
Form a recent thread:
Reekie: “Most other parameters, such as trade balance, domestic consumption and domestic industrial output show negative numbers.”
Marti Llazo: ”Assessment published 21 Dec 2017: ”The Argentine economy surprised to the upside in Q3 growing 0.9 percent sequentially, while rising 4.2 percent versus a year earlier ... Personal consumption expenditures (PCE) increased 4.2 percent on a year-earlier basis ... Meanwhile, real exports of goods and services rose 2.1 percent. Interestingly, real imports of goods and services, which enter the calculation of GDP with a negative sign, surged 18.7 percent during the quarter, underscoring the strength of the Argentine economy during the period. Total demand increased a strong 7.4 percent on a year-earlier basis after an increase of 4.3 percent during Q2. Meanwhile, real gross fixed investment, which has been the lagging sector of Argentina's economic recovery, surged 13.9 percent ...“
This is just one example of Reekie presenting ”alternative fact” to support his claims, There are many more.
Hmm, looks like industrial output finally started growing again midway through last year.
Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The most recent data for the trade balance is negative though:
“Argentina’s trade balance turned to a USD 1541 million deficit in November of 2017, compared to a USD 124 million surplus a year before and to a USD 721 million gap expected by consensus. It was the eleventh straight monthly deficit and the largest on record for November.”
https://tradingeconomics.com/argentina/balance-of-trade
Would be interesting to know if he got those claims from anywhere in particular.
TWIMC
Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Sr. Enrique Massot wrote on a recent thead...:
“Most other parameters, such as 1):Trade Balance.., 2):Domestic Consumption...and 3):Domestic Industrial Output..., show negative numbers.”
What has the Macri friendly Argie press written about this three topics recently...?...:
1) Trade Balance...:
“Trade Balance was negative with USD 6.115 millions during the first 10 months of 2017”
https://www.infobae.com/economia/2017/11/23/la-balanza-comercial-mantuvo-el-deficit-por-decimo-mes-consecutivo/
2) Domestic Consumption...:
“ Domestic consumption went down again in May...... The first half year hasn't finish yet but the 4% drop in May defines a negative scenary...”
www.infobae.com/economia/2017/06/06/el-consumo-en-hogares-volvio-a-caer-en-mayo-y-el-gobierno-retoma-la-apuesta-por-el-segundo-semestre/
3) Domestic Industrial Output...:
“Driven by high public construction expenditure..., Domestic Industrial Output increased with 1% during the first 10 months of 2017 .”
- www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/De-la-mano-del-alza-de-la-construccion-la-produccion-fabril-crecio-42-en-octubre-20171220-0057.html
All in all..., pretty accurate what Sr. Massot wrote on a recent thread..., don't you Think...?
A negative trade balance from lots more imports - investment flooding in at last.... Confidence is returning. A little pain today means jam tomorrow. Peronists cannot understand economics although mere parrots Think they can.
Jan 15th, 2018 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Dink,
Jan 16th, 2018 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1”1) Trade Balance was negative... 2) Domestic consumption went down again in May...3) Domestic Industrial Output increased...“
”All in all..., pretty accurate what Sr. Massot wrote on a recent thread..., don't you Think...?“
No, you agree he was wrong on 3, you've cherry-picked a monthly change that could be seasonal on 2 that doesn't align with the better yearly figures provided by ML and he was correct on 1, but missed the important detail that the volume of goods in both directions had increased which fits with improvements in 1 and 2. If you think that a 66.6% error rate is ”pretty accurate” then it explains a lot!
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