MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Ex wife of Nisman claims he was killed to silence him and scare judges and prosecutors
Argentina solemnly marked the third anniversary of the murder of Alberto Nisman on Thursday, with relatives and colleagues of the late federal prosecutor — who spent more than a decade investigating Iran’s responsibility for the 1994 bombing of the AMIA Jewish center in Buenos Aires — gathering at La Tablada Jewish cemetery in the Argentine capital in tribute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Iranians murdered him; follow the money. CFK's government would have known about it and given the nod for it to happen.
Jan 19th, 2018 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse -1Just to clarify for the pedants, I have never said CFK actually pulled the trigger.
There will be here those posting that the supposed suicide or more certain murder of Alberto Nisman was done without the knowledge and/or cooperation with the Argentinian security individuals and that the evidence Nisman had was inconsequential, too weak to convict anyone for the1994 bombing of the AMIA center.
Jan 19th, 2018 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I believe with few reservations, that the assignation was done to silence Nisman bringing forth damning evidence the next day that was removed by his killers.
Inform yourself..., hermanito...
Jan 19th, 2018 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -5https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n6SaUlGqCKY
@ Chicureo People believe what they want to believe or are paid to believe. Common sense tells you this was not a covert and unknown operation by the Iranians because CFK's gang ensured the crime scene was contaminated, cctv was not operational and sent the keystone cops in to balls up the investigation. She may not have pulled the trigger but she unleashed her goons to do whatever to stop Nisman. I am not sure even she thought it would be that blatant.
Jan 19th, 2018 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +3THINK
Jan 19th, 2018 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Thanks for the link. I watched the entire 54 minutes of the video. Indeed, Víctor Hugo makes a very convincing case against almost everything Clarín has printed.
Remember that I've said that I was assigned to the signals corps in the navy? We were taught the fine skills of communications as well as the art of disinformation...
I still smell a rat...
Je vous en prie...
Jan 19th, 2018 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -4THINK
Jan 19th, 2018 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...je pense donc je suis...
Ya era tiempo...,de que empezaras..., a existir... Shicureo...
Jan 19th, 2018 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Y..., ya que estamos..., además de “Followear la Money” sucia del Chantapufi de Nisman..., como te aconseja la solterona de arriba..., yo te diría que tambien...“Cherchéez las fe-minas” de Nisman..., aka “las putitas de Leandro Santos”...
https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=Chicas+de+Nisman&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwp6TC_uTYAhUMiCwKHTGUAo0Q_AUIESgB
Bon divertimento...
This whole mess, reads like something from a unfinished bad imitation of a John le Carré spy novel, only the KGB office is located in Buenos Aires and the Partido Justicialista is the Politburo...
Jan 19th, 2018 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From any perspective, the crime scene investigation was “incompresible”...
Incomprensible is that..., in this unfinished bad imitation of a John le Carré spy novel as you call it..., with more than hundred normal Jews blasted..., one Prosecutor Jew suicided and one dying Foreign Minister Jew incarcerated for Treason to the Motherland..., you don't see fit to disclose the address of the Mossad office in Buenos Aires... ;-)
Jan 19th, 2018 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Oh estimado THINK,
Jan 19th, 2018 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you know, the Mossad doesn't have an official address, even in Israel, but I would take care throwing around their name on the internet...
Chic.......en...
Jan 19th, 2018 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1;-)
THINK
Jan 19th, 2018 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you should also be careful making any references to the Israeli Intelligence community as they have a poor sense of humor...
...I do however think they are very much involved in the investigation of all this.
There are many who, like Chicureo, “believe” (or want to believe), that Nisman was assassinated, preferably by a Cuban-trained, commando composed of Iranians and Venezuelans.
Jan 19th, 2018 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -1However, there is a small problem for judge Julián Ercolini in charge of the case: who might've been the murderers? Ercolini does not know. He does not have any leads either.
How did they enter Nisman's building? No idea.
How did they get into Nisman's apartment? Nobody knows.
How did the assassins manage to get out of the bathroom without leaving a trace, a foot imprint, blood stains? A mystery.
How did the murderers get out of the apartment leaving doors locked from inside in both the main entrance and the service door? Unrevealed.
How did they get out without crossing with anybody, without being seen, without being recorded by some of the about 100 cameras that did work? There is no response to it.
In a 656-page report, Ercolini did rule Nisman's death a homicide, however did not advance any evidence of it.
There are only questions for which the judge or the prosecutor do not have responses.
So there are only two options available: Either drag the case for decades, or jail Cristina or somebody else just because she “may have thought” of murdering Nisman.
In Macri's Argentina, everything is possible.
Hermanito Shileno...
Jan 19th, 2018 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Thanks for your advice... I will not follow it...
Anyhow... according to ex-ambassadeur Daniel Gazit in 2010 and ex-ambassadeur Itzhak Aviran in 2014..., the MOSSAD is more than “involved in the investigation of all this.”
They have..., “solved it the good auld Testamentarian way”...
I have no reason not to believe them...
Enrique Massot
Jan 19th, 2018 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the previous link THINK kindly posted above how Víctor Hugo also makes a very convincing case against what perhaps the majority of us suspect, which is it was instead a botched assassination.
If you want to remove someone that is politically uncomfortable to the state, and you happen to control the state controlled security agency, you can probably make as you say: “...anything can happen in Argentina...”
THINK
I have no doubt that “an eye for an eye” continues as their worldwide policy.
Shicureo
Jan 19th, 2018 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I believe MOSSAD's current interpretation of the Auld Testament is...:
An eye and your whole freaking sandnigger family fo an eye...
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong...
THINK
Jan 19th, 2018 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Yes, that's about the sum of their philosophy. It's not wise to cross them, as my own government learned during arms trading with the Iraqis in the '80s.
By the way..., the spinster above (ElaineB) tells us to “follow the money”...
Jan 20th, 2018 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse -1Well.....
Herewith an article from yesterday..., following Chantapufi Nisman's corruption money...
http://www.eldisenso.com/politica/las-inversiones-de-nisman-con-el-socio-del-hermano-de-macri/
Enjoy...
THINK
Jan 20th, 2018 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0During the '80s there were a common occurrence of Soviet cargo jets with Iraqi markings parked at the Pudahuel airport making regular flights home with toys from who is now a well known winemaker. One of those direct flights, made a surprisingly stopover in Lebanon, which resulted in some of the sons of Abraham having their feathers ruffled... Hell has no fury as them irritated...
As far as the very revealing article linked, I feel the whole investigation has fallen “into a rabbit hole...coriouser and curiouser...” More corruption and corruption...
More corruption and corruption..., indeed...
Jan 20th, 2018 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Just look at our current Work Minister... Jorge Triaca...
After becaming Minister he...:
1) Placed his wife in a Fat Cat position in the State...
2) Placed his younger sister in a Fat Cat position in the State...
3) Placed his youngest sister in a Fat Cat position in the State...
4) Placed the husband of his younger sister in a Fat Cat position in the State...
5) Placed the husband of his youngest sister in a Fat Cat position in the State...
6) Placed his cleaning lady (hired in black) as a controller of a Trade Union intervened by him...
The story blew up last week... because Mr.Rtiaca fired his cleaning lady with a sweet voice Whatsapp saying...:
*** “No vengaí mas... porque te mando a la chucha de tu madre..., pelotuda”***
They are now investigating some 250 other “placings” of friends by the minister...
http://www.ambito.com/909757-triaca-el-caso-sandra-expuso-nuevo-nepotismo-en-el-somu
Geeeeeeee......
I nearly miss the small scale nepotism during the Kirchner era..., when they just placed one daughter or friend....
For those who struggle to understand Español, an article regarding the mentioned labor minister controversy can be read about: http://www.thebubble.com/marcos-pena-labor-minister-triaca-controversy/
Jan 20th, 2018 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1THINK
“...coriouser and curiouser...” It boggles one mind just how corrupt and corrupt your politicians are. Macri should obviously fire him, but then again he's Argentine...
Shicurito....
Jan 20th, 2018 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Just one of the points I mentioned above would be enough..., in a First World Country..., for a Work Minister to be fired...
Just two of the points I mentioned above would be enough..., in a Country like Shile..., for a Work Minister to be fired...
Just three of the points I mentioned above would be enough..., in a Country like Argentina during the Kirchner administration..., for a Work Minister to be fired...
Tough............, all six points I mentioned above only caused Macri's Richelieu..., Mr. Marcos Peña..., to declare that...:
“Triaca made a mistake..., but it wil not cost him his job...”
Ps...:
Just in...
Las putitas de Triaca...
http://www.eldestapeweb.com/ex-empleada-triaca-denuncia-que-designaron-el-somu-una-bailarina-una-fiesta-privada-n38558
THINK
Jan 20th, 2018 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I read that with disbelief. He should have been fired immediately.
It's not that Chile has clean hands, corruption is a part of our Latin society, but the depth, perversity and arrogance of your country's political mafia excels belief.
Wow. Can't believe he hasn't been fired already.
Jan 20th, 2018 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1What are the chances Marti Llazo, imoyaro, Zaphod Beeblebrox etc will be up in arms about this example of blatant corruption?
Chicureo
Jan 20th, 2018 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1as an ex navy man this may be of interest...a statue of a Scottish Lowlander.
.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-42731590
Juppppppppppppp....
Jan 20th, 2018 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2And it doesn't help when the corporate media constantly disinforms one...
Take for example the above article that says...:
“Cristina Kirchner initially portrayed Nisman’s death as a suicide”...
Woooooot...? Excuse meeeeeee....!
What did the potranca herself say about that lie...:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=308s&v=W8zshOzzQqw
Clyde
Jan 20th, 2018 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for posting the link.
He's by far my historical hero and was the inspiration of the movie Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.
I know Manuel Ibañez personally and it's no secret that he's an admirer of Lord Cochrane. He has the money to fund such extravagances as his family used to own the largest supermarket in Chile until selling it to Walmart.
THINK
I was watching when my wife overhead Cristina mentioning Greek mythology in the video you linked... You can't imagine her disdain...
I have a 37 minute link for you: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOTOO6HpdI
I can easily imagine someone connected to the Kirchner government watching Nisman on Argentine national television in the above link powerfully arguing a very convincing damning case against Cristina and thinking to them self, this man needs to be permanently silenced...
Shicurito....
Jan 20th, 2018 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Just to poke a bit more on the small footed supreme commander in chief of the Chicureo household disdain..., let's talk about South American histo-mythlogical heroes...
No one in its sane mind would dare to compare that Lowlandish Gentry Sassenach mercenary fraudster called Vicealmirante Thomas Cocrhane....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cochrane,_10th_Earl_of_Dundonald#Great_Stock_Exchange_Fraud
With our beloved and truly decent Paddy...: Almirante William Brown...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brown_(admiral)
Respetuosos saludos
El Think...
Think
Jan 20th, 2018 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +3No one in its sane mind would dare to compare that Lowlandish Gentry Sassenach mercenary fraudster called Vicealmirante Thomas Cocrhane....With our beloved and truly decent Paddy...: Almirante William Brown...
Well, you have ! Brown is an also ran !
“All conspirators were found guilty but Cochrane always maintained that he was innocent. Lord Ellenborough refused to enter further evidence which would have cleared Cochrane. Three reviews carried out much later by Lord Chancellors concluded that Cochrane should have been found not guilty”
In any event it is difficult to see how much more loaded against Cochrane the trial which began exactly 203 years ago tomorrow could have been. The lawyer for the Stock Exchange was a man whom Cochrane had already previously accused of fabricating evidence. That lawyer had been the lawyer for the man Cochrane called a coward. The lawyer in turn picked as prosecuting barrister a man that had clear conflict of interest, as Cochrane had gone to that same man to seek (as he thought) confidential professional advice from him as to what to do to clear his name. The judge’s summing up defied logic, but that may have been because the judge, Lord Ellenborough, was also a cabinet minister.
He was stitched up.
Suuuuuuuuure..., lowlander........., he was stiched...
Jan 20th, 2018 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2That still leaves us with a Lowlandish Gentry Sassenach mercenary called Vicealmirante Thomas Cocrhane....
Against our beloved and truly decent Paddy...: Almirante William Brown...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brown_(admiral)
Shicureo....
And don't get me started with comparing tyrant rich boy Bernardo O'higgins with humble Don José de San Martin... (Two Mason brothers of the same Loge..., by the way... ;-)
As Gabriel Salazar so well puts it... “El weon de O'higgins no ganó ni una batalla”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=asPvEg0smOs
Chicureo, Think, you had better settle this disagreement the old fashioned way: with a duel. Swords or pistols?
Jan 20th, 2018 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1By the way, was San Martin the one who was a British agent?
Mr. DemonTree...
Jan 20th, 2018 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Pistols and swords are for foreign sissies...
His corvo against my verijero...
(He won't get permission from Ms. Chicureo though... Married men in SA are under the chancleta ;-)
Lol. If you don't want to be a 'sissy' then feel free. I prefer to win.
Jan 20th, 2018 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“Married men in SA are under the chancleta”
Sucks to be you. Or rather, Chicureo. You are divorced, right?
Geeeeeeeeeeeeee...
Jan 20th, 2018 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The silence from Chicureo town is deafening...
One can almost hear “Las Brisas” in the background... Fore....
I THINK Ms. Chicureo has impounded poor Mr. Chicureos IPad... ;-)
Clyde
Jan 21st, 2018 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse +2Thank you for your generous defense of Lord Cochrane. THINK's poor attempt of slandering his good name was pathetic. The sea novels of Patrick O'Brian and C.S. Forester were inspired by the seafaring scot whose life was incredible.
DemonTree
Dueling for a Chilean with an Argentine is futile. Bruise their ego and they'll cry for decades that the duel was unjust. They never want to admit when they lose anything...
THINK
Señora Chicureo confiscated my wine glass and put me to work in the garden. I just recovered my chair, glass and iPad.
I've studied a great deal in my life about O'Higgins and frankly I'm a Carrera admirer. Saying that, Martin and the Peruvian admiral Grau never receive enough credit in Chilean public schools.
After spending a fair amount of time reading as well as watching videos about the Nisman case and I remain convinced its like a bad telenovela involving the murder of a passionate prosecutor who had to be silenced at any cost. Whether Cristina had her hands in it remain a mystery, but the state security services are convincingly guilty in some manner. Your arguments do have merit, but there's too many damning coincidences that point to guilt.
By the way, it's not Las Brisas, is Club de Golf Chicureo...
Shicureo...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“The state security services are convincingly guilty in some manner.”
I say...:
Well... That's what I have being saying from the beginning when I repeatedly refer to an “induced suicide”...
And that's also what Mme. Kirchner is saying from the beginning..., or even more..., if you care to read the real documents of the time and not the lies of some “journalists”
https://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/624417/politica/carta-completa-presidenta-sobre-muerte-fiscal-nisman.html
By the way... Mme le Président..., Cristina Kirchner had as much control over the Argie State Security Services in 2015 as Compañero Salvador Allende had over the DINA in 1972...
THINK
Jan 21st, 2018 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse +2You make a good point... touché, however I think her reputation will be tainted for a long time. ...unless credible new information is exposed...
Well...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's was the plan...
Wasn't it...?
THINK
Jan 21st, 2018 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse +2Again touché...
Your perhaps inconceivable hypothesis is that Nisman was eliminated the day before he was to expose the Kirchners falsely as guilty of the crime, therefore what?
Because the evidence was too weak and the better way to ruin Cristina with scandal and divert the blame away from those actually involved...? It doesn't seem too convincing
Shicureo...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse -1In my Humble Understanding of her own words..., that's..., more or less..., Mme le Président..., Cristina Kirchner's hypotesis...
In My Own Humble Opinion..., he was induced to take his own life by the abandonment and stampede of his bosses/allies when the moment of truth approached...
By the way... three of his bosses/allies..., Laura Alonso, Patricia Bullrich and Federico Pinedo (then simple parlamentarians..., today central figures of the Macri administration) had..., that fatidic sunday..., ***CANCELLED*** NIsman appearence in front of the Congress next day because they knew he would be grilled by the parlamentarians asking for evidence..., not words...
Too late though... Nisman had already killed himself... http://www.enorsai.com.ar/politica/23696-patricia-bullrich-y-laura-alonso-habian-decidido-que-nisman-no-expusiera-ante-el-congreso.html
I bet you didn't know that... Not been in Clarin or El Mercurio...
THINK
Jan 21st, 2018 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1No I didn't know that...
Where is Stiusso now?
Where he is EVERY NIGHT...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GBkT19uH2RQ
@Think
Jan 21st, 2018 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1Agreed. There were numerous, and so far unexplained, calls from Laura Alonso and Patricia Bullrich to Nisman before the day his body was found. Stiuso did not answer numerous calls from Nisman on the same day. He said later that his phone was on vibration and he did not hear it...come on! Argentina's Chief Spy?
Of course it's easy to imagine Nisman's growing stress the day before going to Congress, even more when those who called him to testify were members of the then opposition, but members of the Victory Front later announced their attendance too.
Explaining and supporting his “denunciation” in front of friends might've been easy, but answering pointed questions about the supposed withdrawal of Interpol's “Red Notices” that had at that point being denounced as false by former director Robert Noble would've proved to much for the poor prosecutor, more used to the good life than answering pesky congress people.
However, the suicide, now deemed 'murder,' 'magnicide,' or the latest, 'crime against humanity,' being unsolvable because no trace of outside intervention was ever found, was the best possible gift for then opposition, now government with the “best team of the last 50 years.”
Expect this case to lay dormant until the government needs to cover some of their own corrupted schemes or other scandals. Then you are going to see some judge making some moves that will end nowhere, and so on.
THINK
Jan 21st, 2018 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck...” Using abductive reasoning, Nisman did not commit suicide.
Remember that sad case of a British journalist you earlier reminded me of who was determined by our security forces to have also committed suicide at the Hotel Carrera here in Santiago...? He certainly didn't.
...............................................
I think both you and Enrique just can't accept Cristina had her hands in this, and perhaps she wasn't, but state security in my opinion did.
Remember, humble is always substituted for haughty... Discussion is pointless with brainwashed turnips.
Jan 21st, 2018 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Shicurito...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck...” Using “ABDUCTIVE REASONING” Nisman did not commit suicide.“
I say...:
”ABDUCTIVE REASONING“ ..., huhhhh
But...,what EXACTLY is ”ABDUCTIVE REASONING“...?...:
The Great Wiki tells us that...:
***” “ABDUCTIVE REASONING” is a form of logical inference which starts with an OBSERVATION then seeks to find the simplest and most likely explanation. In “ABDUCTIVE REASONING” unlike in “DEDUCTIVE REASONING” , the premises do not guarantee the conclusion“...
Ahhhhhhhhh...
***”Starts with an OBSERVATION“***... the definition says... Haven't you just ”OBSERVED“ the lies of YOUR information sources being destroyed..., one by one by..., Victor Hugo Morales & Co. In the above linked video...?
The definition of ”Abductive Reasoning“ finishes also with quite a lapidary phrase...:
***”In ABDUCTIVE REASONING, unlike in DEDUCTIVE REASONING the premises do not guarantee the conclusion.***”
Try to be less ABDUCTIVE and more DEDUCTIVE..., my dear chicureo...
It will almost guarantee the correctnes of your conclusions...
Yours...
El Sherlock Think...
El Sherlock THINK
Jan 21st, 2018 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot make a true deductive decision of the Nisman case because I do not have anywhere enough facts to determine the truth. I can only use my common sense.
Abductive reasoning is often used by jurors who make decisions based on the evidence presented to them.
There is a belief because of your country's reputation of systemic corruption that anything can happen in Argentina, which is what perhaps the majority of us suspect, which it was a botched assassination.
The loss of the ARA San Juan was probably due to an inept refurbishment uncertified by Thyssen and the supposed internal explosion was due to their jerry rigged batteries. That's an ABDUCTIVE observation... ...a DEDUCTIVE conclusion will most likely when your navy will encounter the ill fated vessel.
Shicuirito...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You are...1), breaking your own rules and 2), sinking your own rubber ducks here...
1) You said you wouldn't comment further on Jonathan Moyle's assasination... but you herewith do...
2) You mention Jonathan Moyle's assasination... that was staged as a clear case of...:
“it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck...” Using abductive reasoning..., Jonathan Moyle did commit suicide....
Until his family succeeded in braking down the Shilean wall of silent lies..., engaged some deducting reasoning people and solved the crime...
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To all other posters above that can't understand why President Macri won't discipline his Minister..., Mr. Triaca...
It would have the same positive effect on our society as Alex discipining his Droogs...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtRGeyznv7k
Remember that sad case of a British journalist you earlier reminded me of who was determined by our security forces to have also committed suicide at the Hotel Carrera here in Santiago...? He certainly didn't.
THINK
Jan 21st, 2018 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have all my rubber ducks nicely floating in a row...
The Jonathan Moyle's assassination was finally proved DEDUCTIVELY, but the original ABDUCTIVE reasoning by many who knew him refused the official reason for his demise as being ”considered initially by the Chilean and British authorities as suicide or death in some sort of (bizarre sex game).”
I assume you understand what the navy signal corps do in their spare time?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Moyle
Hermanito Shileno...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You say...
“I assume you understand what the navy signal corps do in their spare time?”
I say...:
Mow the lawn when the Missus feels like it...?
...absolutamente...
Jan 21st, 2018 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)))
Jan 21st, 2018 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1What an interesting discussion, it seems Think had Chicureo more or less convinced for a time. My own theory always had been that he was killed by Cristina's enemies to try to frame her, though the more I've seen about the case the more I think that was by induced suicide than any kind of commando team.
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse -1Also for his *ex*wife to be dramatising this now, when she can't possibly see him as above criticism when she was critical enough herself to leave him, is also suspect when you look at what her day job is.
On Triaca - wow, what a chancer. And I wonder why mercopress haven't run an article on him ;)
On Cochrane - gotta disagree with Think here I'm afraid ;) Thanks to Clyde for the chapter and verse on how he was fitted up, I already knew about his long struggle to clear his name, a real inspiration. There are actually a lot of similarities with Cristina's struggle against an absurdly biased judicial establishment now.
Think “By the way... Mme le Président..., Cristina Kirchner had as much control over the Argie State Security Services in 2015 as Compañero Salvador Allende had over the DINA in 1972” Exactly, and a very important point. “What did the potranca herself say about that lie” Great link, and nice to see you still calling her la potranca =)
Chicureo: “I was watching when my wife overhead Cristina mentioning Greek mythology in the video you linked... You can't imagine her disdain”
It could have been worse, it could have been Macri, or even Theresa May, trying to talk about Greek mythology! “What's important about the Odyssey is that Ulysses just got on with the job of trying to get out of Troy and that's the important point about what we're doing to make a success of Brexit” ;)
Mr. British_Kirchnerist...
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse -1On Chicureo - He was forced to push his RESET button because..., by his own admsion..., he was already two touché's down...
In a friendly fencing assault like ours above..., one loses after the third touché...
I suppose he remembered it from his academy years... ;-)
On Triaca - Jupppp..., one wonders why MercoPress haven't run an article on him... ;-)
On Cochrane - Don't know much about the guy... Surely an excellent military man..., but one thing is quite clear... In Shile..., he was a mercenary..., not a patriot...
Take the time to read Admiral William Brown's biography... You will see what I meant when I said “no possible comparation”...
On Theresa May - Thanks for her Ulysses quote... You Brits better learn to knit... It will be a loooong journey...
Cordiales saludos
El Think...
Thanks for her Ulysses quote... You Brits better learn to knit... It will be a long journey...
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I didn't know Penelope knitted....I though she wove a shroud and then unravelled it in the evening. What's that got to do with knitting.? As you love to say to others...inform yourself.
No doubt that Brown was a great leader and seaman but for daring, panache and courage, Cochrane leaves him behind. Yes he got paid for his services and I assume Brown did not serve Argentina for free.
Just a point do you spell Chile as Shile in Argentinian Spanish ?
Thanks for the Engrish lesson..., lowlander...
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1My fault... as weaving and knitting use the same word in Spanish...: “Tejer”
Anyhow... you Brits better learn to knit 'cause you won't have no monies for no weaving machine...:-)
But...,thanks again for the lesson...
One should never grow too old to refuse to learn...
Right...?
Clyde15, I think he writes Shile to make fun of the Chilean accent.
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@Think
How do you distinguish knitted from woven fabrics in Spanish if they use the same word?
@BK
May didn't really say that did she?
Hand knitted = Tejido a mano...
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Loom weaved = Tejido a telar...
I don't THINK so turnip above... You have a lot of catching up to do. Who knows, if you clean up your act we might in future buy some of that cheap feedlot beef to make low grade Bologneses and Chillis? Horsemeat a possibility too ;-)
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1UK growth upgrade could 'dwarf' Brexit hit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42769090
Clyde
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The reason why THINK makes a word play in my name as well as nation is because my countrymen destroy the beautiful language of Castellano, as do my Argentine brothers with an equally strange form of pronunciation. I do not take it as an insult.
Think...honourable truce on that one
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Back to Cochrane, he became a Chilean citizen on 11 December 1818 at the request of Chilean leader Bernardo O'Higgins. He was appointed Vice Admiral and took command of the Chilean Navy in Chile's war of independence against Spain.
In this case he could not be a mercenary as he fought for his country
Brown, Irish when Ireland was under British rule. Went to the USA and then “joined” the Royal Navy and served with distinction.
He takes charge of the Argentine navy. At this point I cannot find anything about his nationality. Was he now Argentinian OR or had he kept his Irish/British nationality ?
If he had then technically he would have been a mercenary.
If he had become an Argentine citizen, then his actions were no different from Cochrane's
who was a Chilean citizen.
So, Cochrane was not a mercenary any more than Brown.
@Think
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Thanks.
¿Chicureo, quien habla el versión 'correcta' del castellano? ¿El Rey de España?
(Also, please tell me if I wrote that wrong.)
“La” versión...
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Clyde
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Brown's career did not inspire Patrick O'Brian, C.S. Forester and others to write novels like they did inspired by Cochrane.
The Chilean Navy is organized very similar to the British Royal Navy due to
Cochrane reorganization in 1818 which has remained to this day. When I took a reserve training course at Chicksands, many people mistook my uniform as Royal Navy issue.
DemonTree
“La” versión...
Actually THINK and I agree for once...
Spain is like the United Kingdom with the English language.
Chile and Argentina butcher their mother tongue.
Damn, I hate genders; I always screw them up somehow. At least it's easier to guess which is which in Spanish than in French.
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't they have a bunch of accents in Spain too though, Chicureo?
I'm currently reading Captain James Cook's biography by Richard Hough and have a copy of Cook's log too. You don't need fiction when you read real life history like that. I note Cook claimed South Georgia for the King in 1775 and then the Sandwich Islands. Sandwich was first Lord of the Admiralty at the time. Beats novels...and more interesting than what happened to Mr Nissman.
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was my point. Even in London you encounter different dialects. Spain is very much the same.
The Voice
Cook is also an amazing individual. It's interesting to note that both Nisman and Cook were murdered.
I don't know much about Captain Cook, but it's kind of important to find out what happened to Nisman, even if it's not as interesting as some historical event...
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Chicureo
Do you think eg the Andalusian dialect is better than the Chilean one then?
I'm sure there are people in Britain who believe Americans butcher the language, and those people probably think Scousers and people from the West Country aren't any better.
The difference is its clear, that Cook was known to have been murdered by the Tahitians, but I havent got to that bit yet. I doubt anyone will ever solve the Nissman mystery unless there's a confession.
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Chicureo, after Cook its on to George Bass... I am interested in Tasman too.
DemonTree
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Didn't you conclude that the great debate about Nisman was finally solved by the duel between THINK and myself? Using abductive reasoning, I sunk his rubber duck! As I mentioned earlier, dueling with an Argentine is futile because it'll bruise their ego and they'll cry for decades that the fight was unjust. They'll never want to admit when they lose anything...
Frankly, spoken Spanish in Chile is absolutely horrible. Argentinians are about half as bad. The best speakers in South America are probably the Peruvians and Colombians. English has become the lingua franca of the world. In the '80s I slowly switched over to the American version to spelling as my word processor had North American software. WORD software today has several spell modes for numerous English speakers, but I'm too old to relearn again. Listening to different people from different regions of Spain is like English speakers of different regions of the US. Sometimes it's unintelligible.
The Voice
Good choices!
The Voice
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Can we Scots claim Captain Cook as his father moved down from Roxburghshire to Yorkshire?
Seemingly Cook lost the place latterly. Years at sea and the strain of command finally got to him. After an altercation in Hawaii he was killed and partially eaten !
Chicureo.
Captain Fredrick Marryat served with Cochrane in 1806 as a midshipman. He drew on his experiences in his writings...Mr Midshipman easy being his most famous.
I was also watching a video of the St.Nazaire raid which is some story. It dawned on me that I was 3 weeks old when this raid took place on 28 March 1942.
It is humbling to think that they all knew it was a suicide raid but although everyone was given the chance to get out without any mark against them, every man volunteered to go.
Would that happen now, probably yes.
Clyde
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1We have similar interests. I watched Jeremy Clarkson: War Stories: THE GREATEST RAID OF ALL and was impressed as well.
@Chicureo
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't concluded anything, except that the case will probably never be solved.
Peruvians and Colombians, huh? I wonder why them? For me some accents from Britain are just as hard as any American ones to understand. We have a lot more variety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cun-LZvOTdw
And damn it's annoying having to switch everything around when you get a new computer. American dates are the worst, but we also have a slightly different keyboard layout for some inexplicable reason, and then of course there's the dictionary, and their stupid paper sizes that Excel likes to default to that regularly buggered up our reports at work.
@Clyde15
I've never even heard of that raid. Where did you see it?
Clyde
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I just read about Fredrick Marryat and realize he's one of the key developers of the signal flag system used in the British and Chilean signals corps! Also, apparently Patrick O'Brian modeled Marrayat's character as the Seawolf's close companion in his novels. Interesting!
DemonTree
You can find Jeremy Clarkson: War Stories: THE GREATEST RAID OF ALL at
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s
DT
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse +3Just google “the greatest Raid” on youtube. Jeremy Clakson did a program on it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s is the real story.
There was a film made in the 1950's called ”the Gift Horse which is a dramatised account of the battle.
HMS Campbeltown was renamed as HMS Ballantrae if I remember correctly.
It's just an age thing. I avidly read all the books I could get on war time exploits. When I was a young teenager I met many many soldiers, sailors and airmen who had fought in countless battles. These men were still only between 40 and 50. When I started work, one of my colleagues had been a Spitfire pilot in the Battle of Britain, others had flown Mosquitos, Lancasters , Liberators,Typhoons etc. One had been on the Arctic Convoys, another had been a Swordfish pilot on carriers and had been shot down twice and both times he had been the only one alive when they picked him up out of the ocean. That was the first and only time I saw someone with PTSD...and that was 20 years after the events.
Others fought during the N.African campaign at El Alemein, others at Kohima...one of the nastiest battles, on D-DAY where this chap lost an arm when a shell from a Tiger tank came through the turret of his Sherman, removed his arm and went through the other side without exploding. Others were dropped at ARNHEM.
Another was a yeoman on the HMS Walker captained by D. Macintyre during the U-Boat campaign in the Battle of the Atlantic.
These were the type of men of your grandfather's generation...in my case, my father's
Thanks both of you, although I'll have to wait until tomorrow to watch it.
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde15, both my grandfathers fought in the war and one of them lost an eye, but they didn't really talk about it much. I wish I'd got to see more of them when I had the chance.
I learned about WWII in school and that was it. My new boss who was in the RAF is not even old enough to have fought in the Falklands, it's all history now.
Mr. DemonTree...
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse -1Your grandfathers didn't really talk about it much....huhhhhhh...?
Tomorrow when you have the time... you could listen to my link for eight short minutes...
You may better understand their silence...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G6IhLcnyuN0
My father in law was a Para on the raid where they stole the German Radar in France and later dropped at Arnhem. He never talked about either until he eventually succumbed to dementia in his twilight years. He hated Germans and wouldnt let my wife go on exchange visits but when he was on the verge of dementia he went to Germany on a coach trip and had a fine old time. He was a complex character badly affected by his war experiences. Many of his mates were killed at Arnhem and some on that raid.
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde, I think Scotland can claim a bit of Captain Cook although he lived all his life in England apart from those marathon voyages. I am looking forward to Thursday evening and most of next week too when I shall be nearby. ;-)
DT
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse +1It was a generational thing. You did not talk about it.
The three videos by Eric Bogle are worth watching.
The songwriter conveys his message and emotion better than anyone else can
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1hiq0MSI24 Greenfields of France
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnFzCmAyOp8 The band played Waltzing Matilda
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MpBad7nMAE Leaving Nancy
I can remember being annoyed when Australia adopted Advance Australia Fair as their anthem. Nothing represents Australia more than Waltzing Matilda...it's a wonderful tune.
It conjures up visions of the red soiled outback and lean tough characters like Chips Rafferty.
DT “@BK May didn't really say that did she?”
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1No that was just my impersonation of May discussing Greek mythology. The point being that not every politician even could, that Cristina is a bit of a renaissance woman while neoliberal machine politicians like May and Macri are rather empty suits.
And on the substantive theories she came to on Nisman, it was really interesting to see Chicureo when he was engaging honestly with the evidence come to very similar conclusions. After all given what Think said and Chicu touched on her level of control over the Argie spooks, she probably had about as much to go on as the rest of us.
I'd go so far as to say if Chicu and his Mrs got to know her, rather than believing the caricature in the press, they'd probably get on...
Chicu.
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go on, surprise us, what do YOU think !
Clyde
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I believe with few reservations, that the assignation was done to silence Nisman bringing forth damning evidence the next day that was removed by his killers. THINK has logically argued that CFK had weak control over the state security forces and perhaps there is a reasonable doubt that she didn't personally order the murder. Existing facts however point to the state security forces being involved in the assignation. It certainly was NOT a suicide!
Chicureo
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I was actually asking what you and you wife thought of this from BK.....I'd go so far as to say if Chicu and his Mrs got to know her, rather than believing the caricature in the press, they'd probably get on...
As for Nisman, to me it was obvious that someone wanted him out of the way. Who did it is open to conjecture.
Clyde
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Sorry for the misunderstanding. By coincidence when I was watching Cristina mention Greek mythology, it caught my wife's attention. She has a very poor opinion of the entire Kirchner family, and believes them all to be corrupt. I might add she has a close friend in Mendoza, so it's not she's anti-Argentine.
Shicureo...
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which story provoked the biggest desdain in you Missus against Mme. Cristina Kirchner...?
Was it her Rome 250,000U$ shopping spree during the FAO conference...?
Was it the gigantic bank vaults under her mansions in Patagonia...
Was it her 5 luxury apparments in New York...?
Was it her 300 pair of Louboutins...?
Or maybe was it her and her son Máximo killing of their husband/father with a neck shot as an initiation rite for Maximo to join..., in his 33rd birthday..., the same secret loge where Piñera and Cardoen are members...?
THINK
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2My partner in life has her strong opinions, but she definitely is not anti-Argentine and has very close friends in Mendoza. She has nothing but distain for Cristina, Nestor, Carlos Menem, Diego Maradona, Evita Perón and Juan Perón that I know of... ...she doesn't like Cecilia Bolocco either...
Geee....
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Evita too...?
How auld is you Missus...?
;-)))
@BK
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I thought not. I dunno if May knows anything about Greek mythology, but I doubt she'd talk about it in front of the voters for fear of being thought a snob.
Seems more likely to me that Nisman was killed to throw suspicion on CFK, since that is exactly what it did, but who knows.
I liked Evita in the film, but I don't know too much about her in real life.
Just for the Turnips kind info...:
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2There was no Rome 250,000 U$ shopping spree during the FAO conference...
There were no gigantic bank vaults under no mansions in Patagonia...
There were no 5 luxury apparments in New York...
There was not even 1pair of Louboutins...
There was no frati/mariticide by Máximo and Cristina as an initiation rite for Maximo to join..., in his 33rd birthday..., the same secret loge where Piñera and Cardoen are members...
THINK
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I wouldn't know one way or the other but how do you know that there was not. Are you privy to government papers ? If not true who started the stories ?
@Think
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That much was obvious, but are Piñera and Cardoen members of a secret 'loge'?
Lowlander...
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Nope..., I'm not “privy to government papers”... I'm privy of the Internet...
Herewith..., as an example..., a link certifying my first point...:
There was no Rome 250,000 U$ shopping spree during the FAO conference...:
http://www.corriere.it/esteri/13_maggio_03/corriere-della-sera-condannato-kirchner_e36dcfbc-b3f3-11e2-a510-97735eec3d7c.shtml
DemonTree...
What loge...?
The Barra Bravas, arent the Ks honorary members. Gollum was allways scuttling off to Harrods for shirts, KFC luuuuuved Mayfair and all those bauble shops. Where did the cash come from? The masses!
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1DemonTree
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +2THINK is stirring the pot, with some sort of Masonic implied scandal.
Bernardo O'Higgins, and other Chilean presidents like Arturo Alessandri, Salvador Allende... and many others are Freemasons. They even have a University they founded in Chile. Supposedly Catholics are not allowed to join, but they do anyway.
@Chicureo
Jan 23rd, 2018 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've heard there was some sort of conspiracy and Masons in Britain were helping them in the fight to gain independence from Spain.
But I wondered if Think (or the rumour-mongers) had included any truth in those made up scandal stories. I guess not.
Some of the Chilean refugees in Scotland in the 70s were masons actually, there was still some of that revolutionary strain there - though I don't think any of those comrades were friends of Pinera let alone Cardoen!
Jan 24th, 2018 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse -1........... Not to mention Pinochet..., also a “Brother”...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder if that was one of the reasons Allende trusted him? If Pinochet and Allende were brothers they were Cain and Abel.
Jan 24th, 2018 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0During the time of independence from Spain, a great deal of the revolutionaries were Freemasons of different lodges. San Martin is entombed at a Catholic Church, where his presence is officially non-sacred due to his Freemasonry. Chile indeed had a large Scottich immigration that founded several Scottish Rite lodges in several cities here. Members of many of what would be considered the most important families of Chile have complete distain for the fraternity as they're ultra-Catholic.
Jan 24th, 2018 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse -1You lads above seem to be counfounding those quite innocuous Angelsächsisch Freemasonry
Lodges with the very secretive Franco-Germanic Loge which Máximo Kirchner joined in his 33th. birthday..., commiting patricide..., fulfilling thereby the Loges' first rite of passage...
;-)
Twinkle seems to know a lot about it. I wonder if he dresses up like a clown and does funny handshakes?
Jan 24th, 2018 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse +1Fat Max hardly needed to do funny handshakes with all the things he was corruptly gifted. He is a real Mummy's Boy.
Maximo's not so fat any more, though he's gone quite grey:
Jan 24th, 2018 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse -1https://cdn.tn.com.ar/sites/default/files/styles/embed_image/public/2018/01/20/5a63b0967b17fM%C3%A1ximo_Kirchner_4.jpg
Wonder if he followed the same diet as Osborne?
@Chicureo
“where his presence is officially non-sacred”
What does that mean?
Mr. DemonTree...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -1My beloved hermanito Shileno is wrong................, again...
The Liberator of Shile ... is NOT “entombed at a Catholic Church” as he seems to believe...
The Liberator of Shile... rests in a Mausoleum on non consacrated land besides the Buenos Aires Cathedral...
The Liberator of Shile... is guarded by the three sweet ladies he did liberate...:
Ms. Shile...
Ms. Perú...
Ms. Argentina...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/San_Martin%27s_Grave.jpg
Very nice, but why is it on non-consecrated land? Because he was a Freemason as Chicureo said?
Jan 24th, 2018 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Google...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Damn, Think. Trying to have a conversation with you is an exercise in frustration.
Jan 24th, 2018 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conversation :-)
Jan 24th, 2018 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Chit-chat :-(
Difference: ¿(°_°)?
Jan 24th, 2018 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Google...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Jerk
Jan 24th, 2018 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -2:-)
Jan 24th, 2018 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree
Jan 24th, 2018 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I attended a wedding at the Buenos Aires Cathedral and it was pointed out that he was entombed there in a part of non-consecrated land. I understand that he, like many of the other revolutionaries reduced the church's powers over government.
THINK persists acting like a wicked warlock stirring his Masonic rumors in his imaginative cauldron while cackling pure nonsense...
He's failed however to convince the majority here that Cristina has clean hands with the Nisman case, which is the subject of this thread.
DT, you mean shit chat. Personally I wonder why you indulge in it?
Jan 24th, 2018 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Just a wink from KFC would have done for Nissman, the Villas are rife with assasins.
@TV
Jan 24th, 2018 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea. Is it supposed to be a bad thing? I don't know what the heck Think's problem is either.
Me dear Shilean bro...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I begin to THINK that you are a “real” Bro..., bro... ;-)
Anijau... those are not my Masonic rumors from my imaginative cauldron..., cackling pure nonsense... .
Those are somebody elses Masonic rumors from his/her imaginative cauldron..., cackling pure nonsense... :
http://www.salta21.com/33-dudas-sobre-la-muerte-de-Nestor.html
Funny how much cackling pure nonsense these somebodies can create from their imaginative cauldrons..., huhhh...?
... From the “33 Orientales”... to “Maximo's 33rd. Birthday ritual fraticide” to the “33 Mineros Shilenos”
Mr. DemonTree...
No problem whatsoever...
Just not feeling like chit-chatting...
As usual, sounds like the Twinkle turnip is in another single malt fueled haze spewing random words and phrases. Brook Street must be pretty boring though...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Lets discuss fish we dislike.... I will start with squid, tasteless O rings as far as I am concerned, a nice Lemon Sole floats my boat.
Geeeeeeeee.....
Jan 24th, 2018 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm geting an overdose of Brasileiro...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHNOQpl00_I&feature=youtu.be
Chicu: “He's failed however to convince the majority here that Cristina has clean hands with the Nisman case”
Jan 24th, 2018 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Probably true with the rum mercopress crew, but at least you were part of the honorable minority for a while =)
TV
Jan 24th, 2018 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Can't agree. The best is a Kinlocbervie haddock caught in the Minch tasting of Scallops and Mussels. This is a ten in our household and all other fish are compared with this.
From all the fish swimming in the Viking Sea..., nothing beats the lobstery taste of the cusk...
Jan 24th, 2018 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -3IMHO..., of course...
Seafood off the Pacific Humbolt current provides Chile some of the best in the world. ...probably Peru is the best...
Jan 25th, 2018 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +1Argentines do have fabulous steaks, but it's rare to see a good seafood restaurant there... ...their asado is legionary...
BK
Actually I don't believe or disbelieve CFK has dirty hands in this case, I can only suspect.
But...
Jan 25th, 2018 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse -1IMHO...
NOTHING COMPARES to...:
“Tiritas de barrilete à la Zihuatanejo...”
From the press:
Jan 25th, 2018 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, former president of Argentina says she'll be gentle as a lamb with jurors in her criminal case, so it's totally unnecessary to sequester the panel. Cristina's lawyers filed legal docs, objecting to the federal prosecutors' motion to keep jurors anonymous and sequester them during his trial, which includes charges of conspiracy to murder. Prosecutors clearly fear Señora Kirchner may order her crew to take some of the jurors because of her history of violence and tampering with the judicial process. Kirchner's lawyers beg to differ, saying sequestering the jury will “create the extremely unfair impression that she is a dangerous person from whom the jury must be protected.” The lawyers say the charges are merely allegations of violence supported only by witnesses who are getting reduced sentences for their testimony.
The judge has yet to rule.
Chicureo, staring from the quay in Valporiso I saw the most humongous jelly fish I have ever seen. I can believe you must have excellent seafood. That famous seafood restaurant in Lima was fantastic and they gave us a lesson on how to make a cerviche.
Jan 25th, 2018 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1Clyde, I will look out for that haddock. You have some pretty awesome halibut up there. One has to travel a bit to get decent fish down here. We have 'smelly alley' locally, there used to be two fishmongers now sadly only one....
Chicu, let me correct “the press”: “Prosecutors clearly want jurors - and voters - to fear Señora Kirchner may order her crew to take some of the jurors because of her falsely alleged history of violence and tampering with the judicial process”
Jan 25th, 2018 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse -1We are spoiled here in our choice of fish but Haddock is probably the favourite. Freshness is the key. Most of the fish and crustaceans end up being exported to Spain and France. We have a good line in scallops and Norway Lobsters.
Jan 25th, 2018 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse +2That has just reminded me that we have about 1kg of scallops in the freezer which we bought at Kirkudbright from a freshly landed catch. This was for part of Christmas dinner, but the flu virus put paid to that !
I have been informed by “she who must be obeyed” that is haggis and neeps today as it is Burn's day..a minor obscure LOWLAND poet who penned a few verses.
Lowlander...
Jan 25th, 2018 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -1As I said before... thee are good lowlanders as well...
Mr. Burns was..., undoubtedly one of them...:
***`The story of Wallace poured a Scottish prejudice in my veins which will boil along there till the flood-gates of life shut in eternal rest.''***
Dont ya Think...???
Anyhow... all that talk of fish has awakened my appetite...
Down to the rivulet to catch what my nick of the woods can offer...:
*** Forelle blau ***...
Yummmmy...
Wallace is an enigma. Nothing was known about him in any detail until Blind Harry wrote a somewhat fanciful tale of his life and exploits some two centuries later. Much of it in the vein of Robin Hood. Historians still cannot make up their minds whether he was an unblemished hero, set up by the nobility to do their dirty work, or, a bit of a chancer.
Jan 25th, 2018 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Whatever, history has been kind.
As I said before... there are good lowlanders ...
Jan 25th, 2018 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Mr. Burns was..., undoubtedly one of them...
Uilleam Uallas was another...
BK
Jan 25th, 2018 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you see the implication that's she is indeed threatening violence, by claiming she won't? She is definitely dangerous!
“Cristina's lawyers filed legal docs, objecting to the federal prosecutors' motion to keep jurors anonymous and sequester them during his trial, which includes charges of conspiracy to murder.”
Mr. British_Kirchnerist...
Jan 25th, 2018 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I believe that it isn't necessary to remind you that Sr. Shicureo's “quotation marks” are NOT to be taken at face value...
He is a cheeky shileno...
Speaking about Cheeks... Another of my favourite fish dishes...
“Raw Anglerfish Cheeks whit Tomato And Ginger Sauce...”
Yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy....
BK
Jan 25th, 2018 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THINK is frightened by the truth to be revealed... Here's another quotation: ”Judge Sandra Arrollo Salgado, ex-wife of Prosecutor Nisman and mother of his two daughters, said that the murder of the judicial officer, who denounced the former President, should be classified as a “crime against humanity.” Your idol is a dangerous woman...
Shicurito...
Jan 25th, 2018 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Who is “Judge Sandra ArroLLo Salgado”...?
BuRRocrata...!
;-)))
Stirring the cooking cauldron with a fine catch of fish...
Jan 26th, 2018 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1What fish...?
Jan 26th, 2018 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Name..., rank and number... pliiiis...
Sturgeon, FM, no. 5?
Jan 26th, 2018 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny coincidence...
Jan 26th, 2018 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salmon(d), (ex)FM, No. 5 ...
Yes, all the tabloids noticed too.
Jan 26th, 2018 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Judging from his posts in another thread, dear Patrick Edgar thinks Blackadder is evidence that Brits hate foreigners. What's your opinion?
Mr. DemonTree...
Jan 26th, 2018 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 01)Wouldn't know 'bout that..., lad...
Don't usually read Engrish tabloids...
2) I wouldn't really describe it as... “Hate” ...
More of an haughty deriding of most things foreigner...
That's why..., to get thru to them..., you have to do it from a superior level of human development...
Like..., for example..., the Scandinavian level...;-)
Of which you are an example ? God help us !!
Jan 26th, 2018 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I know you think you're ever so superior - just like everyone else round here - but you're missing the point. Blackadder! I always knew there was something wrong with him...
Jan 26th, 2018 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jupppppp....
Jan 26th, 2018 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is definitively something wrong with Blackadder...
He's Engrish...:-)))
Could he be anything else and still work as a character? How different is humour in other countries? I know Mr Bean is popular around the world, and conveniently doesn't speak, so that sort of physical comedy evidently travels well.
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