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Tusk insists EU does not want to build a wall, but Brexit means “drifting apart”

Thursday, March 8th 2018 - 09:43 UTC
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Donald Tusk has insisted the EU “does not want to build a wall”, but Brexit means “we will be drifting apart”. The EU Council president said Theresa May wanted to “demonstrate at any price that Brexit could be a success”, but that was not the EU's objective. He was unveiling draft guidelines for the EU side of Brexit trade talks. Read full article


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  • The Voice

    Tusk oscillates between friendly comments, expressions of regret that the UK is leaving the EU, and veiled threats. Its clear the EU is piqued and worried it will disintegrate.

    Now the threat is give us your fishing grounds otherwise we will block your financial services. Hopefully we wont fall for that one. The local banksters tell me that the City has plan B in position already and it doesnt involve the net loss of any jobs, just many many more jobs. The EU can (apparently) whistle…

    Mar 08th, 2018 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    “Now the threat is give us your fishing grounds otherwise we will block your financial services. Hopefully we wont fall for that one.”

    That's not a threat, that's an offer that's way too good to be true. I have a horrible feeling our current spineless government will trade away our fishing rights for something far less valuable.

    It's funny how you are always complaining about the EU threatening us, yet you don't feel the same way about Trump's threats at all. Do you hate the EU so much you'd rather see them suffer, even if we suffer with them?

    Mar 08th, 2018 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Claude

    Trump is threatening us? How?

    Mar 08th, 2018 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    With a trade war, it's been all over the news.

    Mar 08th, 2018 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Trump likes Britain, he is not threatening us his sights are on the monster across the Channel, the one that makes restrictive practices and self interest into an artform. You need to listen more carefully and believe in Britain which you clearly dont.

    Mar 08th, 2018 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “his sights are on the monster across the Channel”

    TV, you're so wrong. Your enemy's enemy is NOT your friend. He isn't interested in the EU; his policy is America First. When he put tariffs of 220% and then an additional 80% on Bombardier, he didn't care that it could threaten jobs in NI. If he puts tariffs on cars from the EU, he won't give a shit which ones are manufactured in the UK.

    While we were in the EU, their interests were our interests to a large extent. If they made self-interest into an art form, that benefited us too. Why would I complain about that? But it's not true of America, if they start a trade war it will hurt us as well, possibly more so because we will need to build up trade with other countries quickly.

    Since the Brexit vote I find it hard to believe in Britain, or in my fellow citizens. We're no longer working together with a common vision of the future, so how can we succeed?

    Mar 08th, 2018 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    You are so right. With so many people like you, holding us back we will be doomed. Back in the 60s we had a mission to build up our country and you lot, who have no sense of patriotism with your misplaced sense of self entitlement have dragged us way way down. I hope that you all bugger off to your darling Europe and let the rest of us get on with it. Then you can sit there and enjoy laughing at us.

    Mar 08th, 2018 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    You lot? What's that supposed to mean? I wasn't even born in the 60s, my parents were still at school!

    Everyone knows who voted for Brexit; the old and the poorly educated. How great a country do you think you're going to build without all the young, smart, dynamic and successful people? We're the ones working, doing our best to build the country up and pay off our student loans while saving for an ever more unaffordable mortgage deposit, and you're sitting there drawing your pension and sabotaging us, whining about bendy bananas.

    Mar 09th, 2018 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Lack of comprehension again. The 60s were when my generation were building things back up after a war and real austerity like you have never known.

    If you are one of those smart people God help us!

    Mar 09th, 2018 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Wasn't that the point, to build things up so your children and grandchildren could have a better life than you? You chose to join the EU so we'd be better off, and now you want to leave so all get to experience real austerity?

    Mar 09th, 2018 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • The Voice

    We never joined to Superstate, we approved joining a Common Market, they lied, it became a monster.

    In the 60s we had one income, a rental tv, a baby and a banger. We never had money to swan off on skiing trips or foeign holidays either. No sympathy! All my kids were brought up as grafters and arevnow well off by doing their bit for Britain by working earning foreign currency just like I did, and having a fine old time doing it too. Plenty of opportunities out there for those willing to drag themselves away from their electronics. I am often tempted to get stuck in again.

    Mar 09th, 2018 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    John Major agreed to joining the EU, and it wasn't my generation who voted for him.

    TV, your view makes no sense at all. You think being able to afford ski trips and holidays abroad is a sign that I haven't worked hard and taken advantage of opportunities? It sure wasn't my parents who paid for those things; we used to go on holiday to Norfolk, and stay in a caravan.

    The product I work on has clients in 6 and soon to be 7 different countries, and the rest of the company in more. There's your foreign currency earnings. Whose taxes do you think are paying for your pension, and NHS treatment?

    I don't want sympathy, I want you to stop saying people like me are holding the country back after YOU chose to screw it up.

    Mar 09th, 2018 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DK

    Its sad that he has to remind us of the realities of Brexit.

    Mar 09th, 2018 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Snowflake brain is an increasingly common affliction…

    I pay 30% of my income in tax, so I'm paying for my own pension and NHS treatment. Leaving the EU will benefit everyone in Britain which is why the enlightened majority voted for it. And, it wasnt just the wise old and knowing poor either. Big business and the elite love the EU, pragmatic sensible working people despise it.

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Don't you realise how ridiculous you sound? Big business and the elite are not 48% of the population. Pragmatic, sensible working people voted to stay in the EU. Pragmatic, sensible working people voted to leave the EU. Now YOU want to say half of those people are dragging the country down. It must be so frustrating to you that it wasn't the deadbeats and people on benefits who voted to stay in, and you're left trying to accuse the smart and successful of holding us back, but that's too bad.

    Why not just recognise that we are all trying to do our best, even if we disagree on the best way to do it?

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Big business, out of touch academics and the monied elite are the cheerleaders of opposition to Brexit. They make a constant background establishment whine. Manual workers like plumbers, plasterers, lorry drivers, and unskilled workers whose wages have been depressed and whose rents have escalated because of the housing shortage caused by unchecked EU immigration were the enlightened ones who voted to get out. The old and wise who were lied to and who watched inefficient French and German peasant strip farmers being subsidised by us voted to get out too. To say nothing of the destruction of our fishing fleets, EU red tape, unfair trade practices with developing countries, the Eastern European brain drain and the Euro which has devastated the Club Med countries to the benefit of the Germans and French.

    Its a matter of opinion who sounds ridiculous and its usually you judging by the flak and downvotes you constantly seem to get.

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    This is a very pro-Brexit crowd; I expect to get downvoted, but I want you to hear my opinion anyway, because I'm not big business, an out of touch academic, or the monied elite. There are millions and millions of ordinary hard working people like me, even plenty of plumbers and lorry drivers, who disagree with you about Brexit, and that's what I want to remind you of. When you complain about Remainers, those millions of people are who you are talking about, not some shadowy elite who are conspiring to 'sabotage the revolution', Bolivarian style.

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Never mind the trolls love you…

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    They have better taste. ;)

    I always wondered if you know why Think calls you a turnip?

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • The Voice

    Being called a turnip by a Nazi colonialist who has never achieved anything and wants to steal people's homes and land means nothing at all. Being called a naive poodle by your countrynen is a badge of shame…

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    Naive poodle.

    Mar 10th, 2018 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • The Voice

    How was Crufts?

    Mar 11th, 2018 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    You tell me. Are you feeling the shame yet? Or don't you care what your 'countrynen' say about you either?

    Mar 11th, 2018 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • The Voice

    Keep digging…

    Mar 11th, 2018 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    How witty. Do the upvotes make you feel better about yourself? You seem to suffer from the delusion that popular = right. What d'you reckon: Kanye, Troy Tempest and Lightning?

    Mar 11th, 2018 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    It's easy to up vote yourself when you have 4 accounts and of course multiple down vote others...

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • golfcronie

    And you would know that Voice wouldn't you?

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    London house prices have sunk 15%, no wonder Remainers are livid. Blackburn on the other hand is up 16%! Dont know how things are in Dunoon now all the asylum seekers are getting out?
    As for DT, he's always right… says he ;-)

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    There's only three users on this site that we know have multiple accounts: Kanye, The Voice, and Condorito. Voice isn't one of them.

    I've never claimed I'm always right, I've even admitted to being wrong a time or two. But you told me you don't use your accounts to do multiple up- and downvotes. Was I naive to believe you?

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    You are forgetting Think, Voice, Nostrils, Hepatitis and many others. Some of them are expert at hiding their identities using vpns, incognito sign ons and other devices. Anyway it was not a crime to hoodwink some of the odious folk that post here, at least I am not one of their poodles who they revel in culivating.

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Voice and Trollboy only had one account at a time and always made it clear who they are, so I don't count them. I've not seen any convincing evidence that Think has more than one account, but I did forget Hepathetic.

    Okay then; you, Kanye the bootlicker, the mysterious Condorito, and an idiotic spammer whose 25 years always starts tomorrow (much like my diet).

    Having more that one account isn't a crime anyway, but it does strike me as hypocritical when you and Kanye keep accusing others of doing the same thing you do. And TV, it also makes you seem less trustworthy.

    You never answered my question. Do you think I'm naive because I believed YOU?

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    I Think you are either naive or an intelligent idiot… plenty of those around.

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    High Int low Wis?

    But you STILL didn't answer the question. I feel quite disillusioned that the 'trolls' turned out to be more honest than you and Kanye who are supposedly on my side.

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    “The trolls turned out to be more honest than you”?Bahahahaha… QED!

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Wanna know what I think of you?

    Mar 12th, 2018 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    I didn't realise there was sides...
    For me, there has only ever been one side...mine...

    Mar 13th, 2018 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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