An Argentine federal appeals court confirmed on Friday that special prosecutor Alberto Nisman, found dead in 2015 while investigating a 1994 Jewish center bombing, was murdered. Read full article
Don't be shocked..., dear Mr. Jo Bloggs...
Wash that Anglo brainwash away...
Be informed...:
www.pagina12.com.ar/118807-un-fallo-a-pedido-de-la-casa-rosada
Every time the Macri government faces a difficult situation on the economic front, a friendly judge sends a member of the CFK government to prison. Then Clarín, la Nación and other friendly media fill the top of the front page with the ‘big story’ while pushing the bad economic and social stories to the back pages.
So now that Argentina’s economy run to the cliff speeds up and citizens descend to the streets almost daily, an increasingly nervous government takes its best card from the sleeve: “We’ll jail Cristina!”
This sort of distractions did resonate with hopeful citizens in the early stages of the Macri government – but are quickly losing impact now that the brunt of 28 months of bad economic decisions impact on the population.
I really don't know why judges take pains to investigate.
They should ask Martillazo. He has known from the beginning who killed former prosecutor Alberto Nisman.
As a bonus, Martillazo brings about 'comical' Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, who made famously ridiculous statements during the U.S. occupation of Iraq.
Very amusing.
I too was entertained – nope, I was outraged – by a much larger player in the conflict: U.S. former president George Bush, cavalierly joking about the ever-unsuccessful search for what was the pretext to occupy Iraq, at a lasting, horrendous human and economic cost.
Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere, Bush told the audience of a 2004 black-tie event for radio and television journalists in Washington, while a slide showed Bush leaning to look under a piece of furniture.
Nope, no weapons over there, he said, laughing. Maybe under here, he added, as subsequent slides were shown.
Hey, who cares when business opportunities for companies such as Blackwater are generated?
Such blatant callousness and denial reminds me of Martillazo and his personal virtual reality glasses.
The political opposition at the time accused to the former Cristina Fernandez government to be behind Nisman’s death. The slow pace of the justice allowed for speculation to thrive and was a boon for Mauricio Macri and his Cambiemos front to get to power in late 2015.
Astute observes such as MP commentators, however, won’t miss the fact that the federal chamber that ruled Nisman’s death as murder wasn’t able to present a shred of evidence in support of such a claim.
The chamber members could not say who the assassins may’ve been, how they got to Nisman’s apartment, how they may have escaped without being seen, point to any traces of the assassins, or what the role of Diego Lagomarsino, who lent the lethal weapon to Nisman, may’ve been.
Not a single hair, fibre or disturbance or traces were ever found in Nisman’s apartment in support of the assassination theory. Despite that, chamber members said Nisman’s death “had to be” a consequence of the denunciation that Nisman presented against CFK, Héctor Timerman and other officials in regard to the memorandum of understanding with Iran.
It would be interesting, if this makeshift legal construction ever proceeds to trial, to see how prosecutors demonstrate the guilt of “intellectual authors” of a murder -- without proving that such murder ever took place.
I doubt it'll ever come to trial and don't suppose anyone else commenting here believes it will either. Not enough evidence, and the prime suspects being various members of the government and intelligence agencies means that what there is can hardly be trusted. The current government is as keen to show foul play as the previous one was to dismiss it, so none of the people investigating can be considered impartial.
I agree that this matter will probably be on the judiciary backburner for a long time. I disagree on the reasons.
If the Nisman case were to quickly go to trial there would be a chance to finally have some light shed on the case, and speculation would end.
Keeping the case unresolved allows the theory that it was indeed the government of Cristina Fernandez who had the former prosecutor murdered to fester. In addition, the Macri government would love to have CFK stripped of her parliamentary immunity and sent to jail as Nisman death's intellectual author. Hey, what could be more convenient than that?
I dunno, I'm not sure people have enough trust in the Argentine judicial system for a trial to end speculation. If CFK was convicted you'd just say the judges were biased, and if she was aquitted there are people who would still think her guilty and say she had the evidence muddied while she was president. There's famous examples from the US where people did not believe the outcome or continued to argue the case afterwards.
Anyway, I think no one has actually been charged and only Lagomarsino has been accused of anything so far. I don't know how long cases usually take to be tried in Argentina, but it's clearly not going anywhere until someone is charged. And wouldn't CFK have to be convicted before they can send her to jail?
If CFK was convicted you'd just say the judges were biased.
Not if solid evidence were presented during trial. Problem is, as I said before, no a shred of evidence has been presented so far about anybody entering Nisman's apartment and having a role on his death.
The Gendarmeria (Border police) that performed the autopsy that concluded Nisman was assassinated is not usually in charge of autopsies -- Nisman's was a first. Those who performed this second autopsy were never allowed to confront the makes of the first autopsy that rule Nisman a suicide.
As for those being charged, beside Lagomarsino there are four members of Nisman's custody who have been charged with failing to protect the prosecutor--something that would make no sense if murder wasn't demonstrated.
wouldn't CFK have to be convicted before they can send her to jail?
DT: There are about 20 officials or close to the CFK government currently in jail. Of those, only two have been convicted--the rest are deemed by judges to have capacity to obstruct the course of the trail, again, without presenting any evidence of such capacity. Of course, CFK would be jailed by arguing the same reasons.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI am shocked!
Jun 02nd, 2018 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse +3Don't be shocked..., dear Mr. Jo Bloggs...
Jun 02nd, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Wash that Anglo brainwash away...
Be informed...:
www.pagina12.com.ar/118807-un-fallo-a-pedido-de-la-casa-rosada
Every time the Macri government faces a difficult situation on the economic front, a friendly judge sends a member of the CFK government to prison. Then Clarín, la Nación and other friendly media fill the top of the front page with the ‘big story’ while pushing the bad economic and social stories to the back pages.
Jun 02nd, 2018 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -7So now that Argentina’s economy run to the cliff speeds up and citizens descend to the streets almost daily, an increasingly nervous government takes its best card from the sleeve: “We’ll jail Cristina!”
This sort of distractions did resonate with hopeful citizens in the early stages of the Macri government – but are quickly losing impact now that the brunt of 28 months of bad economic decisions impact on the population.
The day of reckoning is approaching.
Two and a half years later and they tell us the obvious.
Jun 02nd, 2018 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +5----
In other news, I now remember who ridiculous reekie reminds me of: Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob
https://www.thoughtco.com/baghdad-bob-quotes-4068522
I really don't know why judges take pains to investigate.
Jun 02nd, 2018 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -6They should ask Martillazo. He has known from the beginning who killed former prosecutor Alberto Nisman.
As a bonus, Martillazo brings about 'comical' Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, who made famously ridiculous statements during the U.S. occupation of Iraq.
Very amusing.
I too was entertained – nope, I was outraged – by a much larger player in the conflict: U.S. former president George Bush, cavalierly joking about the ever-unsuccessful search for what was the pretext to occupy Iraq, at a lasting, horrendous human and economic cost.
Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere, Bush told the audience of a 2004 black-tie event for radio and television journalists in Washington, while a slide showed Bush leaning to look under a piece of furniture.
Nope, no weapons over there, he said, laughing. Maybe under here, he added, as subsequent slides were shown.
Hey, who cares when business opportunities for companies such as Blackwater are generated?
Such blatant callousness and denial reminds me of Martillazo and his personal virtual reality glasses.
Com'on chaps, everyone and his dog knows that Argentine Judiciary is bent, does not matter which side of the political spectrum you sit.
Jun 03rd, 2018 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1Then how can we trust the court that says Nisman's death was a homicide any more than the one that said it was suicide?
Jun 03rd, 2018 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Thanks DT for the world view from the vantage point of your mother's basement.
Jun 03rd, 2018 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reeeeeeeeeekie!
The war is headed for your front yard.
Trudeau is so scary.
Not.
Reap it, commie.
The political opposition at the time accused to the former Cristina Fernandez government to be behind Nisman’s death. The slow pace of the justice allowed for speculation to thrive and was a boon for Mauricio Macri and his Cambiemos front to get to power in late 2015.
Jun 04th, 2018 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Astute observes such as MP commentators, however, won’t miss the fact that the federal chamber that ruled Nisman’s death as murder wasn’t able to present a shred of evidence in support of such a claim.
The chamber members could not say who the assassins may’ve been, how they got to Nisman’s apartment, how they may have escaped without being seen, point to any traces of the assassins, or what the role of Diego Lagomarsino, who lent the lethal weapon to Nisman, may’ve been.
Not a single hair, fibre or disturbance or traces were ever found in Nisman’s apartment in support of the assassination theory. Despite that, chamber members said Nisman’s death “had to be” a consequence of the denunciation that Nisman presented against CFK, Héctor Timerman and other officials in regard to the memorandum of understanding with Iran.
It would be interesting, if this makeshift legal construction ever proceeds to trial, to see how prosecutors demonstrate the guilt of “intellectual authors” of a murder -- without proving that such murder ever took place.
I doubt it'll ever come to trial and don't suppose anyone else commenting here believes it will either. Not enough evidence, and the prime suspects being various members of the government and intelligence agencies means that what there is can hardly be trusted. The current government is as keen to show foul play as the previous one was to dismiss it, so none of the people investigating can be considered impartial.
Jun 04th, 2018 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@DT
Jun 05th, 2018 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I agree that this matter will probably be on the judiciary backburner for a long time. I disagree on the reasons.
If the Nisman case were to quickly go to trial there would be a chance to finally have some light shed on the case, and speculation would end.
Keeping the case unresolved allows the theory that it was indeed the government of Cristina Fernandez who had the former prosecutor murdered to fester. In addition, the Macri government would love to have CFK stripped of her parliamentary immunity and sent to jail as Nisman death's intellectual author. Hey, what could be more convenient than that?
I dunno, I'm not sure people have enough trust in the Argentine judicial system for a trial to end speculation. If CFK was convicted you'd just say the judges were biased, and if she was aquitted there are people who would still think her guilty and say she had the evidence muddied while she was president. There's famous examples from the US where people did not believe the outcome or continued to argue the case afterwards.
Jun 06th, 2018 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, I think no one has actually been charged and only Lagomarsino has been accused of anything so far. I don't know how long cases usually take to be tried in Argentina, but it's clearly not going anywhere until someone is charged. And wouldn't CFK have to be convicted before they can send her to jail?
@DT
Jun 07th, 2018 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If CFK was convicted you'd just say the judges were biased.
Not if solid evidence were presented during trial. Problem is, as I said before, no a shred of evidence has been presented so far about anybody entering Nisman's apartment and having a role on his death.
The Gendarmeria (Border police) that performed the autopsy that concluded Nisman was assassinated is not usually in charge of autopsies -- Nisman's was a first. Those who performed this second autopsy were never allowed to confront the makes of the first autopsy that rule Nisman a suicide.
As for those being charged, beside Lagomarsino there are four members of Nisman's custody who have been charged with failing to protect the prosecutor--something that would make no sense if murder wasn't demonstrated.
wouldn't CFK have to be convicted before they can send her to jail?
DT: There are about 20 officials or close to the CFK government currently in jail. Of those, only two have been convicted--the rest are deemed by judges to have capacity to obstruct the course of the trail, again, without presenting any evidence of such capacity. Of course, CFK would be jailed by arguing the same reasons.
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