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Several Army generals expected in Bolsonaro's cabinet to be announced next Monday
Brazil’s far-right president-elect, Jair Bolsonaro, is likely to tap army generals and an ultra-free-market economist for key roles in his cabinet. The former army captain styles himself as an outsider, even though he has spent a long career in Congress, and has mostly sought prospective ministers with little political experience. Read full article
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Oct 31st, 2018 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who should be entitled to choose the cabinet?
The losers?
@chronic
Oct 31st, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q: Who should be entitled to choose the cabinet?
A: The Losers being a majority; most probably they may!
@:o))
Nov 01st, 2018 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have all seen what political indications for Ministries (39 !!!) and State-run companies' (144 !!!) directorships (tens of 100s !!!) has done to Brazil, just slicing it up between parties for political and monetary gain........the fact Bolsonaro wants to break this pernicious cycle should be applauded, not criticized.....but as the left has nothing real to criticize him about, they'll invent anything that their stupid followers will lap up. And as they say, there's no need to spread fake news about the PT, the truth is already bad enough.
@JB
Nov 01st, 2018 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1REF: “there's no need to spread the fake news about the PT, the truth is already bad enough”:
That was hilarious!
As a majority opposition, PT will not [or at least is likely to try their best] let the govt. to function efficiently.
In any case - historically speaking - efficiency & Govt Projects were never heard of going hand-in-hand - unless I'm completely mistaken.
https://ricocartum.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/rico_20-fake-news.jpg?w=525
JB
Nov 02nd, 2018 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but as the left has nothing real to criticize him about, they'll invent anything that their stupid followers will lap up. And as they say, there's no need to spread fake news..”
As far as the as the present term is used its part and parcel of the alt.right agenda. Used mainly by Trump and purveyed by Steve Bannon. So if your going to use big words you don't understand, at least educate yourself.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42724320
TH
Nov 02nd, 2018 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What ARE you talking about numb nuts ? What has Trump and Bannon got to do with the PT's habit of spreading fake news ?
And, I'm perfectly aware of the fake news coming from Macedonia....such as that Michele Obama is a man.....what the hell has any of that got to with the PT sh*t ? You don't know, do you ? But what 'big words' do you refer to ? I see none.
JB
Nov 02nd, 2018 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“what the hell has any of that got to with the PT sh*t”
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
”Presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro (PSL) will be invited for the first summit of “Movement,” a nationalist, populist and ultra-right group formed in Europe.
The group is Steve Bannon's brainchild. Bannon, a former advisor of Donald Trump, has already met with one of Bolsonaro's sons in New York.
The group's goal is to have its inaugural summit in mid-January in Brussels. The organizers hope to attract members of the Trump administration and representatives from the Tea Party, a conservative movement with the Republican Party.”
https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2018/10/bolsonaro-to-be-invited-to-ultra-right-summit.shtml
USA isn't = Brazil
Nov 03rd, 2018 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT isn't = JB
https://economia.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,em-editorial-china-faz-alerta-a-bolsonaro-e-diz-que-custo-pode-ser-grande-para-o-brasil,70002576662
Dreams may have a strong chance of turning into ashes?!?
In the distant future; it'll be just great; if Consistently:
Interest Rate = Near Zero
Unemployment = (+/-)7%
US$ = below R$ 3
TH
Nov 03rd, 2018 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asserted nothing, Numb Nuts, merely asked “o que é que o cú tem a ver com as calças” ?
And just to show how “little sympathy” the “Folha” has for the PT,(sniff, sniff...) they publish the following headline, ”Presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro (PSL) will be invited for the first summit of “Movement....”; It claims Bolsonaro WILL BE INVITED, but the text only says Bolsonaro MIGHT BE INVITED......big difference, but a leftie attempt to deceive the idiots....like you ?
Regardless of whether he IS invited, regardless of whether he DOES go (and I don't 'think' he will), what is wrong with such a movement being formed in Europe ?
What about the “Foro de São Paulo”, a group founded by Lula and Fidel Castro, in 1990, aggregating about 200 Latin American communist parties/groups ?
High time there was a global reaction against these commies, disguised as moderate socialists.
Careful Terry, Steve Bannon will send his goons to get you....
JB
Nov 03rd, 2018 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Foro de São Paulo”, a group founded by Lula and Fidel Castro, in 1990,”
If that was factually correct you would have supplied the evidence. Since you provide no proof I'll file under the file of untruths.
So what's this Movement thing? A right-wing version of the FdSP? And the supposed nationalists are really internationalists, keen to spread their bullshit to as many countries as possible?
Nov 03rd, 2018 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TH
Nov 03rd, 2018 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you haven't heard of the 'Foro de São Paulo' you are really an ignoramos.....but don't believe me, just google it (I presume you know how to ?)....then you can remove it from your inexistent file of untruths.............ok, maybe I should help you :
https://youtu.be/eomMaAzXW8s
@DT
Since TH is the expert on this “movement” thing, I'll let him explain it to you....I'd never even heard of it, and quite frankly, it doesn't interest me one bit.
JB
Nov 03rd, 2018 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So there's some guys on YouTube, so what do you want me to do? To double check your claim as to authenticity?
There's all kinds of people making videos on all kinds of issues, but they're not all real. So unless this is issued by a major media theres nothing been verified. If it is real, I would expect you to provide reasonable verification as 'social media' is the least trustworthy source.
REF: “to be announced next Monday”
Nov 04th, 2018 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will it be announced with the same enthusiasm when/if they are jailed?
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tjyYAkXEUDA/V1kxhHfxocI/AAAAAAAAQ6I/C-XbNCn9YxkmCVEoEljkohzCBBf4g_wngCLcB/s1600/edra.jpg
@TH
Nov 04th, 2018 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some guys on Youtube ? ok, suppose it’s too difficult for you to understand what they said, as your Portuguese must be shitty….but ok, try this :
https://youtu.be/nVRgOdGrWlk a shorter version, with José Dirceu being interviewed by Antonio Abujamra.
You can also google this :
https://youtu.be/nVRgOdGrWlk (Founding Members : Lula - who claims it was his idea - Fidel Castro, José Dirceu &….
And google :
“Conheça o Foro de São Paulo, o maior inimigo do Brasil | VEJA.com”
Watch video # 5. Refers to the 17th anual meeting of the lefties in LatAm. At 3:40 your friend the toad appears with Ortega. At 7:40 the toad starts to talk (his speech is written out underneath the video – so you can translate it….because you don’t understand Portuguese)
And still :
https://youtu.be/nVRgOdGrWlk
If you can’t understand the toad, have someone intelligent translate for you.
Well, if after listening to your friend the toad, and José Dirceu talking about the F de SP , do you still need verification ? perhaps you think that it's not Lula speaking ? The existence of the F de SP is such a well-known fact, I'm surprised that you, an ardent communist, hadn't heard of it....But we can't all be perfect, can we ?
JB
Nov 04th, 2018 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Some guys on Youtube ? ok,...”
”Is São Paulo forum secret communist organization?
Rumors checking for WhatsApp of the week is ready. Follow what is fact and what is hearsay.
1. Forum of São Paulo is not secret
⚠ There is a chain in WhatsApp circulating that the Forum of São Paulo is a secret organization of communist parties that intends to create Ursal (Union of Socialist Republics of Latin America).
@ :o))
Nov 04th, 2018 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol. Also, “DT isn't = JB” - very true. ;)
@TH
Nov 04th, 2018 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right, it is NOT secret....Did “I” ever claim it was ? in fact I said “The existence of the F de SP is such a well-known fact, I'm surprised that you, an ardent communist, hadn't heard of it.”...................I said it in my last post in case you can't find it....
The URSAL does not exist (as an organization).....it was term used by a University professor, years ago, when in an article she asked “Is South America just becoming an ”União de Republiquetas Socialistas da America Latina“ ? ”, ridiculing South America's reputation of being a bunch of banana republics....later on someone took the term, replaced the “Republiquetas”, with “Republicas”.....BUT, the Foro de São Paulo exists (in its 28 th year, and is very alive. The members - commie parties - meet every year to discuss the progress they've made, and their objectives.....despite one of it's founding members being in jail and the other, dead....sniff, sniff.......).
What they really mean; is: “Several Army generals expect Bolsonaro's baby”
Nov 04th, 2018 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.portalnews.com.br/_midias/jpg/2017/01/18/800x600/1_charge_mn_dat_19_01_2017-283800.jpg
This publisher is well respected in the U.S.
Nov 04th, 2018 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Foot yet another bill PLEASE:
Nov 05th, 2018 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1REF: BBC:
Ex-embaixador dos EUA defende entrada do Brasil na Otan, aliança militar de potências ocidentais:
https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-46055776
JB
Nov 05th, 2018 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0HuffPost won't allow me to cut-and-paste. What this publication is showing is there is a lot of bogus stories circulated by the loony right. Since you won't support your claim through any credible media source. I'll give it the respect I would give any fringe social media.
https://www.huffpostbrasil.com/checazap/foro-de-sao-paulo-e-organizacao-secreta-comunista_a_23507401/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=Wkzc0QpZbpcBBiBZYifrMw
The BEST idea so far:
Nov 05th, 2018 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1https://youtu.be/mKiQxrI3JPY | Walls on The Borders [of course, the neighbors will pay for them]!
TH
Nov 05th, 2018 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once and for, stop beating about the bush......go to a reliable source, read about the “Foro de São Paulo”, and 'para de encher o saco'....as to URSAL, look it up as well, just a term altered / coined to describe an imaginary (left-wing) movement which does not exist.
Just an observation....Just after the “Foro de SP was created” - by Lula, Fidel Castro, José Dirceu and other prominent lefties in LatAm - the left realized that they had nothing to gain by promoting it openly, so they decided to keep it low profile for a while.....once, and as some of its members were elected (Rafael Correa, Evo Morales, Bachelet, H.Chavez, Tabare Vasquez, Pepe Mujica....Kirchner afaik, was only a sympathizer) they started coming out of the closet....but it was never a secret organization...the first meeting was held in São Paulo, at the Hotel Danúbio (which no longer exists), in 1990......
JB
Nov 05th, 2018 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Once and for, stop beating about the bush...” I have provided a reliable source as HuffPost is a major publisher in the US and Brazil.
Since you won't support your claim through any credible media source. I'll give it the respect I would give any fringe social media.
“Just an observation....” If I need one I can check the HuffPost article at
https://www.huffpostbrasil.com/checazap/foro-de-sao-paulo-e-organizacao-secreta-comunista_a_23507401/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=Wkzc0QpZbpcBBiBZYifrMw
“HuffPost won't allow me to cut-and-paste.”
Nov 05th, 2018 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hehe, owned! Poor Terry, deprived of his favourite activity.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Nov 05th, 2018 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Poor Terry, deprived of his favourite activity” Yes, then I'd have two be like you two endlessly opining and dazzling one another about the meaning of nothingness.
“Too bad that all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving taxicabs and cutting hair.” ― George Burns
SOMETHING to worry about:
Nov 06th, 2018 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.jornaldepiracicaba.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/3157-CHARGE-PRECUPA%C3%87%C3%95ES-MARGEM-DE-ERRO-24-09-2018.jpg
TH
Nov 06th, 2018 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Test yr Portuguese ; see if you are capable of understanding following links (Foro de SP).
“https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_de_São_Paulo”
Google : “Conheça o Foro de São Paulo, o maior inimigo do Brasil | VEJA.com” Watch video # 5. Refers to the 17th anual meeting of the lefties in LatAm.
“https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_de_São_Paulo”
@DT
2 days ago, posted 4 links (one, plus the above three) to Terry, the Portuguese language scholar.....but for some reson, when posted, all links duplicated the 1st one.....do you know why and how this can be fixed ?
Asa I post the above, again (this time with the links in inverted commas) to see if it works, I'll know (if it does...or not)
JB
Nov 06th, 2018 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“see if you are capable of understanding following link” Huff Post says.
The Forum is NOT secret; In addition, the parties that participate in the Forum are from various parts of the left and some do not defend communism; The São Paulo Forum is an organization that unites left-wing and center-left political parties in Latin America. It was constituted in 1990 from the invitation made to participate in the PT Congress. ... very composition of the Forum of São Paulo, which is much broader than socialist or communist parties, and has always intended to operate in accordance with the laws.”
So everything appears on the up and up, I may well not agree, or like what they propose, but its democratic and lawful, so there no cause for concern. Whereas, it is Bolsonaro's campaign that is the beneficiary of illicit funding in an off-shore social-media blitz, contrary to the election laws of Brazil, and there are no legal consequences.
@DT (contn of “Lula on stage..”)
Nov 06th, 2018 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“baffles me why people reelect corrupt politicians”- because they are stupid. “Why isn't Renan in jail if he's been taking bribes?” because he's still in office, can only be tried by the STF…which always drags its feet.
The drug market is downtown because that’s where the homeless 'n addicts hang out…move it to the distant suburbs, ‘n you’d probably see the druggies wandering aimlessly like the ‘walking dead’. The main complaint of social workers is the addicts never think they need help. Very few actually agree to be treated.
Terry will never admit he got it all wrong….he either insists - because besides being stupid, he’s stubborn – or, he simply changes the subject. Even Adriana Carranco of “The Atlantic” (THs unreliable source) is INcapable of translating what B said, ‘n translates it as “his wife’s ‘weakness’ ” (which in fact, was a joke abt a ‘moment of weakness’...of his)…but TH laps it up, ‘n has now decided to go off at a tangent to criticize B for his ‘alleged’ comments on women…well, let’s correct those twisted half-truths ‘n ustand what was really said, in context :
In a 2016 interview with TV presenter Luciana Gimenez (Mick Jagger’s ex), B claimed he never “defended” lower salaries for women. He explained that there’s no difference in the public sector, ‘n in the private sector, the CLT (Labor Law Consolidation) is supposed to guarantee equal pay, but it was not his responsibility to make employers comply. He did however admit that if he had private employees he would probably pay the women less….“becos they get pregnant, take 6 months leave, abandon the job to get married etc”…when he mentioned that many women earn far more than men, Luciana tried to contradict him, but when asked if she earned more than B, she just gave a yellow grin. Just shows what happens when a group of women, anti-Bolsonaro, create a movement (#Ele Não) against him, 'n twist the truth...fake news.
B’s daughter knows he was joking ..
@JB
Nov 06th, 2018 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know why this site messes the links up, probably just a bug. It's been like that ever since the redesign. The only way I have found to get round it is to stop the software recognising it as a link by removing the 'http' part, eg:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_de_São_Paulo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=On8v-Wr3XxU
You have to copy and paste the link to use it, but it's better than it not working at all.
“The drug market is downtown because that’s where the homeless 'n addicts hang out”
I suppose you're right. And when I read the article that had interviews with the addicts, they said it was the only place they felt accepted. If they don't want treatment then it's pretty hopeless trying to force them to accept it.
“Terry will never admit he got it all wrong”
And if he does, it's a 'mistake of fact' or someone else's fault. He can't comprehend that other people have different knowledge, experiences, and beliefs to him, so he thinks anyone who disagrees with him must be lying.
“[Bolsonaro] did however admit that if he had private employees he would probably pay the women less”
So he admitted he'd break the law in order to discriminate against people... wonderful. What's wrong with paying people according to the work they do? There are good employees and useless ones of both genders. Anyway, after seeing my sisters do it, I think women should be paid *more* because they get pregnant - that shit's hard work. According to a headline on here, Chile is planning to do just that thanks to their falling birthrate.
I feel sorry for women in Brazil anyway, with all the backwards attitudes and violence, and B's election can only make it worse.
JB
Nov 06th, 2018 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“B’s daughter knows he was joking ..” What she may or may not know is irrelevant. What is at issue is the statements that he has made, which are now part of the public record. He made them, they cannot now be unmade. Fake news is when claim is made without a citation.
@DT
Nov 06th, 2018 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, will try the links again, without the https://.
“So he admitted he'd break the law in order to discriminate against people”.....
Absolutely NOT... If he did that he would NOT be breaking the law....he was not referring to company employees but to home servants....if you take them on, obviously you need to respect the minimum wage, as well as their rights, guaranteed by the labour laws, but as they are not covered by the CLT, there is no obligation to pay equal salaries....you can negotiate as you take them on...totally different to a company.
When Congress forced families to extend some 'company-type' rights to their maids,
many were sacked.....families don't have the same resources as companies do.
DT, your “and B's election can only make it worse” is just a sign that you (and millions of Europeans) have been watching and / or listening to the wrong sources. You'd be surprised if you knew the truth....but ok, think what you want, after Jan 1st you may get a different impression....provided you can filter out the fake news.
TH
Whatever numb nuts....I don't argue with idiots.
JB
Nov 06th, 2018 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't argue with idiots.” Then you won't be arguing with anyone, because I'm to much for a bozo like you to handle.
“cresça e apareça primeiro”.....then we can talk.
Nov 06th, 2018 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@JB
Nov 06th, 2018 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay, then he would just be acting immorally instead of illegally... and I shouldn't think laws on equal pay would be particularly onerous for home servants, surely most people don't have more than one?
Imagine instead a president had announced he would pay black employees less than white ones doing the same job, and this was just fine because a few black people are well paid. Would you call me unreasonable for thinking conditions for black people are unlikely to improve under his rule?
JB
Nov 06th, 2018 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, better stick to talking to yourself, as you don't make any sense.
@DT
Nov 07th, 2018 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ just be acting immorally instead of illegally”....technically, yes...but if a household has 2 cooks, male & female, it's not a matter of paying one more than the other, but a matter of what the cook asks for/ negotiates as their salary...if you were to take on a 2nd cook (man or woman) and you are prepared to pay up to $ 20,000 per year, but he/she asks for only $ 15,000, what would you do ?
His reply to Luciana Gimenez was intended to counter a provocative question (why do men always get paid more than women ?), trying to corner him....in those situations, many times, it doesn't matter what you say, it'll never the right answer. My belief is every professional should know his/her own value, and if the company is prepared to pay what you ask for, that is the bottom line. Why do you think employers always ask, “...and what salary are you asking for ?”
No point in imagining if he “announced he would pay black employees less than white ones”, as besides being a preposterous proposition, it didn't happen /wouldn't be allowed.....'n, I see nothing to support your idea that “conditions for black people are unlikely to improve under his rule”....why would you single-out black people ? the poor, black, or white, will progress in the same manner....under the PT, under Bolsonaro.
“and I shouldn't think laws on equal pay would be particularly onerous for home servants, surely most people don't have more than one?”
Even one ...you'd be surprised....13 salaries, 1 month's vacation, holiday bonus, retirement fund (FGTS), social security (INSS), overtime (paid in double, if occurs), 40% fine on the balance of their retirement fund if you sack them without just cause....which even then opens you up to possible prosecution....and if you, being an individual and not 100% familiar with/up to date with the labor laws, make a mistake, you get fined....the expense chews up a good part of a middle-class family's income, so it's becoming a thing of the past for many
“the expense chews up a good part of a middle-class family's income, so it's becoming a thing of the past for many”
Nov 07th, 2018 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm afraid I can't feel very sympathetic, because I've never in my life met anyone who employed a servant full time. It's just not remotely economic for ordinary families here; if you are well off you can get someone to come in and clean for a few hours once a week, either directly or through an agency who will handle the employment issues for you, but that's about it. It's a penalty of the country developing, as only when there are a large number of very poor people available is it economic for a family on ordinary wages to employ one. (The alternative is to hire servants from poor foreign countries on a limited visa, if Brazil does get richer then perhaps that will become popular.)
“No point in imagining if he “announced he would pay black employees less than white ones””
Why not? If you think that's so preposterous, then maybe you'll understand my reaction to B better, as to me there's little difference between the two statements. And the second bit was also part of my hypothetical: I would not expect conditions for black people to improve under an imaginary president who said he would pay them less, just as I do not expect conditions for women in Brazil to improve under Bolsonaro.
As for why men are paid more, that's a complicated question. I'd say one reason is men are more ambitious in general, going after promotions, and more confident/arrogant about their achievements and in demanding a pay rise. But people are also more willing to accept that behaviour from men; women who act the same way get pilloried - see Hilary Clinton. Anyway, IMO the more backwards the country, the more it's due to simple sexism.
In the meanwhile:
Nov 07th, 2018 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/DODIA//fernandes.jpg
@DT
Nov 08th, 2018 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last paragraph of my abv post is why B was against the law (for domestic servants) that instituted those rights...he said it needed to be better thought out, or jobs would be lost....they were. A domestic servant in Brazil, is typically someone with a very poor education, no qualification, so 'that' source of employment was very important to them.
“I'm afraid I can't feel very sympathetic, because I've never in my life met anyone who employed a servant full time”......In the UK, neither have I.
Well before the law was passed, I had a woman come in twice a week ; I always paid more than the going-price in the market (to avoid insatisfaction), so much so she never had to ask for an increase. Although she only stayed about 4 or 5 hours/day (not that much to do), she was paid for 8, and on top of that, her hours were flexible. I paid for her transport (2 buses either way), gave her 30 days vacation and a 13th salary. When the law was being discussed in Congress, I could see sh*t was going to hit the fan....before the law 'was' passed, she left, to join her daughter in some small biz they wanted to open....just as well, as I was not keen on keeping her on, as the cost would not only increase considerably, and because I did not fancy getting caught up in the legal 'imbroglio' Congress was preparing..
I don't know why you insist B will single out the blacks...he will not have the power for such crap ; he has never even insinuated it ; and just fyi, one of my gym instructors has been a personal friend of Eduardo Bolsonaro for years, and knows Jair...in view of all this crap flying around, he showed me some photos in his cellphone, where Bolsonaro and many black friends appear in various situations....from years ago, to present-day.
“As for why men are paid more, that's a complicated question”.....yes it is. And you seem to agree it's a global thing....not a nasty policy invented by B, as the fake news claims.. But I'm sure 'ambitious' women get ahead as well...
@JB
Nov 08th, 2018 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's something to be said on both sides; domestic employees should have rights like any others, but families are not set up to deal with it like companies are. Would it not be sensible to have an agency employ the workers, then the family pays the agency and they take care of all the paperwork and regulations, sick pay and so one? It would cost more but be much less of a headache. Did this woman work only for you or also for other people? Because if she worked for many people, that's more like being self-employed.
“I don't know why you insist B will single out the blacks”
I'm not! It was a hypothetical question: what would happen if some other president said a similar thing to Bolsonaro, but about a different group. That's why I said 'an imaginary president'. And I find it slightly strange your gym instructor showed you the photographs - I haven't heard that B is prejudiced against black people, so why did he feel the need to prove he isn't?
“not a nasty policy invented by B”
I'm sure no one serious is saying that. But I don't care who invents a nasty policy, or whether other countries are worse. It's still a bad thing to encourage it.
“I'm sure 'ambitious' women get ahead as well”
Now, maybe. How many did back when you were young? How many were in Congress, for example?
@DT
Nov 08th, 2018 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember, the UK is light-years ahead of Brazil with regards to labor laws...
Such agencies do exist, but their cost is just as high as employing directly...only difference is that you are not liable. The woman who came to me twice a week, had one or two other homes she worked at.
Re “single-out blacks”....OK, ustand /sorry. As to presidents saying barbaric things, there's a video of Lula, as president, in Pelotas (a relatively large town in RS), in which he is arranging a guy's tie for fhim, and Lula says “ouvi falar que Pelotas é um polo exportador de veados”...and laughs. Translation : “I've heard that Pelotas is an exporter of homosexuals”...no one reacted in disgust...besides being extremely rude, and inappropriate, just shows how the politically correct has changed here, over one decade. Re Bolsonaro, the left is watching him, almost spying on him, to try to catch him out and publicize any slip-up, and if they can't find one, invent it..
Here you hear people accusing him of being racist, spreading fake news on social network,
just to say something nasty about him...but seems it finds resonance amongst those who want to believe the worst. “Serious” people are not saying it, people who aren't serious, are.
“Now, maybe. How many did back when you were young?”
'Now, maybe ?' of course, times change....and I never said anything against it, and besides, personally believe if a woman is a competent professional (in a company) she should receive the same salary as men in equivalent jobs...in my last company, I took on quite a few, there was no discrimination....their level of experience and competence determined where they'd fit in and their pay grade.
In Congress, I'm not sure, but numbers are increasing....on the other hand, in politics you cannot 'oblige' women to run for office, to fulfil quotas (as now exists here...absurd), but those that have shown their vocation, get in....nothing stops them, other than party philosphy.
@DT:
Nov 09th, 2018 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “conditions for black people are unlikely to improve under his rule”:
WRONG!
The Economic Conditions of EVERYONE will improve!
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@DT
Nov 09th, 2018 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://youtu.be/U083YVq8mwE
Lula saying Pelotas exports “viados” (homosexuals).
Interests:
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“the UK is light-years ahead of Brazil with regards to labor laws”
Nov 09th, 2018 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know that that's true. They're different, but in some ways Brazil's laws are more favourable to workers. Our laws were gutted by Thatcher in the 80s after she defeated the unions, and the country has been out of balance since then, with London and the SE doing well, and other areas struggling.
Anyway, I'd expect agencies to cost more, especially because you can't just pay them in cash and not mention it to the taxman. The cash discount is very much a thing here.
Re Lula, why did he say that? Like, what was the context? And why was he arranging that guy's tie? That's weird.
“you cannot 'oblige' women to run for office, to fulfil quotas”
I didn't know there were quotas in Brazil, I'm very surprised tbh. How do they work?
”personally believe if a woman is a competent professional (in a company) she should receive the same salary as men in equivalent jobs”
I wish B agreed with you. But yeah, times change, in the UK and in Brazil. It's true that what is considered acceptable has changed in only ten years, and I don't want to go back, not 10 years and god forbid 50, which is why I must fight against the right.
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