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Falklands/Malvinas air link and Cordoba stop over underlines “the historic reconciliation of UK and Argentina”

Monday, November 26th 2018 - 08:38 UTC
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Argentina's foreign minister Jorge Faurie said that this week's G20 leaders' summit in Buenos Aires not only will it be historic since for the first time a meeting of such significance is taking place in South America, but also because of the symbolic reconciliation and constructive attitude between Argentina and the United Kingdom referred to the Falklands/Malvinas Islands. Read full article

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  • kelperabout

    ”Peterlla recalled that the 1971 communications agreement had been a great advance, “we sent teachers, fuel, granted scholarships, health services, passports...”

    What he forgot to also mention that his lot then sent an invasion force to invade us. So much for all these nice offerings. They will do the same thing again if allowed. Sweeten us up with the ultimate end goal to steal our Country.

    Argentina will never be trusted in the Falklands again after what they did then. Lets face it since the 1982 war they still insist we do not exist. What that statement really is saying is that they want to start the brain washing of our younger folk just as they do in Argentina. Nothing will ever change.

    Unlike the first and second world war Argentina will never accept that the Falkland Island people do have rights to live the life of their choosing. It is time for folk to start realising that we will never recover to any form f friendship until the Argentines formally renounce their Ilegal claim but even then could we ever trust them. Don't think so.

    They are dictators and always will be. Their history runs so deep in ethnic cleansing why would they want to stop now.

    Nov 26th, 2018 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    The above article says that Mr.Petrella said...:
    ***“The coming flight means “recovering the enormous loss of time and ground which was the war and the Kirchner couple's mandate, a period of great AND UNNECESSARY antagonism towards the United Kingdom”***

    Mr.Petrella really said...:
    ***“This flight means “recovering from the enormous retrogression which was the war and the Kirchner's mandate, a period of great antagonism towards the United Kingdom”***

    (“Este vuelo significa ”recuperar el enorme retroceso que implicó la guerra y una gestión del período Kirchner que fue de enorme antagonismo hacia el Reino Unido”.)
    https://www.cadena3.com/noticias/resumen/vuelo-malvinas-mejorara-las-relaciones-con-reino-unido_128078

    Stop “Editing” them news for them Kelpers..., PenguinPress...
    They may be Kelpers... but they ain't no idiots...

    Nov 26th, 2018 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Roger Lorton

    So, Faurie didn't actually mention flights then?

    Nov 26th, 2018 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Reading dificculties..., copper...?

    Article above says...:
    ***“The minister said the Argentine government was committed to working closely with the UK on a raft of issues, from trade, to conservation, on shared South Atlantic interests, improving the Islands connectivity, and to that effect MENTIONED THE NEW AIR LINK which would stopover in Cordoba City in central Argentina.”***

    Capisce Engrish...?

    Nov 26th, 2018 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Never trust a monkey…. They'll steal your sunglasses and then try to barter them back for a banana - Capiche? ;-)

    'Think' arse on a plate scenario…

    Nov 26th, 2018 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Liberato

    Kelperabout, let me remind you that the islands remain listed as a territory with a colonial situation in the UN list of territories under the process of decolonization as a non self governing territory (a colony).
    So, once you convince the whole international community that you are not a colony of the UK, then you can start talking to Argentina as a people different from those living in Britain.
    Becouse Argentina do not says that people in Malvinas do not exist. What it says is that you dont exist as a new people, a new nation.
    I hope i cleared your doubts about Argentina ignoring your existance.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    I can read Think - and there was no quote. Capisce.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Again for the Engrish bobby....

    1) Faurie DID actually mention flights...
    2) There WAS a quote...
    https://www.perfil.com/noticias/politica/g20-canciller-faurie-confirmo-reunion-bilateral-theresa-may-mauricio-macri.phtml

    Your problem laddie...., has been the same since the beginning of your interest for the Southamerican Malvinas issue...
    1) You don't speak no Southamerican...
    2) You know nothin' about anything Southamerican...
    3) Your Engrish haughtiness makes you beliieve that points 1) & 2) are unimportant...

    Capisce...

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Roger Lorton

    Oh dear .... no quote in this Mercopress article Think.

    As for your link, well that's not much of a quote there either- “... the creation of an aerial flight to the Falklands that would serve as an additional connection” and he added that “we are close to making a decision ”.

    No decision then?

    As for my problems -
    1) Why would I want to? It's a bastardized version of Spanish.
    2) Why would I want to? I know enough to feel that many of you (not all) are not worth the bother (remember viveza criolla?).
    3) They are .... but it's got sod all to do with arrogance and far more to do with experience.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • kelperabout

    Liberato - so what you are really saying is you don't recognise Falkland Island born and bred people irrespective where they originated from. We are from many cultures from around the world including Argentina but you do not even recognise them either I guess .

    Bur of course you would think like that because you seem to be good at not recognising a people because your forefathers did not recognise the indigenous people of the land you stole to make what we call today Argentine.

    That is and was immoral and if any decent law abiding body of world policy makers understood that Argentina would be the ones having to deal with the ICJ and the UN but because it happened so long ago it is considered history. JUST as the Falkland Islands people who settled here all those many years ago. It is in reality History and given your lack of History within your own stolen Country you are not qualified to make comment on my Country.

    I stand by what I wrote knowing that Argentina has but one outcome for the Falkland Islands and that is to steal my homeland. No amount of good will bribes and offers of better education will change the Falkland Island peoples thinking. We chose to remain British and we are a proud and very successful people. We have no poverty or national debt unlike Argentine that is only viable because of the IMF intervention.

    Why would we want to become like that. We have everything we ever could want and need right here and we don't need anything that Argentina has to offer. The only thing we desire is freedom to live the lives of our choosing.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Actually, Liberato, the Falklands are listed at the United Nations as a Non-Self Governing Territory. The United Nations also recognises that ALL the peoples of the NSGTs have the right of self-determination. No Exceptions. The Islanders were recognised by the UN as a people in 1952. No people = no NSGT

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Only having half the information is not the way to win an argument, Roger. Relying on other people's crappy translations is what leads to foolishness like claiming Argentina's Defence Minister said 'Falklands' instead of 'Malvinas'.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    Kelperabout. Almost all the population living in the islands is originated from the UK or its overseas territories so dont give me that 60 nationalities crap. https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/falkland_islands_census_2016_-_report_without_data_tables.pdf

    My forefathers has nothing to do with this colonial problem. I repeat, for the international community gather in the United Nations, you are a non self governing territorie. A territorie with a colonial situation in the process of decolonization. So to claim that Argentina is the bad guy becouse they dont give you the status that no one else in the world grant you is a bit of arrogance on your part.
    First convince the United Nation that you are not a colony, and once you achieve that, then you can blame Argentina for not recognise your “self government”.

    Roger:
    quote:“Actually, Liberato, the Falklands are listed at the United Nations as a Non-Self Governing Territory”

    That is exactly what i said.

    quote2:
    “The Islanders were recognised by the UN as a people in 1952. No people = no NSGT”

    What?. First of all. the Malvinas islanders (as ALL the people in the world), are a people. But they are not a people different from the UK. Just like the British Antartic Surveys. And it is Non Self Governing Territories, not people.

    To conclude, again, with all due respect. Convince the United Nations first, that you are not a colony of the UK. And then try to convince Argentina. Not the opposite.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    DT - The word Malvinas (a misspelling of the French Malouines) translates as Falklands - every time.

    Liberato - The UN has also said that all the NSGTs are separate entities from their administrative powers. So yes, they are a 'people' different from the UK's people.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @RL
    But once it's been translated, you don't know what it was originally.

    Besides, I've seem you writing comments in 'Southamerican' on Infobae.

    Nov 27th, 2018 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    Liberato wrote and I quote
    “Almost all the population living in the islands is originated from the UK or its overseas territories so dont give me that 60 nationalities crap. ”

    For your ignorance I would like to remind you that we have many nationalities among which are Argentines, Chileans, columbians, Peruvians, Americans, Africans, Russians, New Zealanders, Australians, Germans French, Filipinos, the list goes on and on. Many have two three or four generations here. The problem is you are blinkered in reality and you only see a people that does not exist.

    You rant in about us being a colony yet by the very same token Argentina wants to colonise us, something that they have been trying to get the Decolonisation committee to implement.

    Your people invaded our homeland and you expect us to warm to your desires. Forget it we are not falling into that age old trap again. Remember that old saying once bitten twice shy.

    Nov 28th, 2018 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. Kelperabout...

    It works both ways..., ya know...?...:

    ”Your people invaded our homeland ( in 1833) and you expect us to warm to your desires. Forget it we are not falling into that age old trap again. Remember that old saying once bitten twice shy.”

    Capisce...?

    Nov 28th, 2018 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Liberato

    Kelperabout. It is not my ignorance. If you see again what i wrote i showed your own “census” from your own colonial government. In it you will get the same conclusion i got. That almost all the population of the islands is originated from the uk or its “BOTS”.
    So hahaha i have no idea where did you get the idea my comment was based on my ignorance?.

    About the generations. there are like two hundred people that descend from Miss Malvinas Vernet alone. which im sure its the oldest generation without living in the islands.
    Those three or four generation you mention started surelly after 1833.

    How in hell a colony, or a colonial power actually, has the corage to accuse Argentina of colonial aspirations?.

    I totally agree with you Think.

    Nov 28th, 2018 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Twinkles homeland ???? Bahahahahaha!

    A Nordic troll in an Italian suit?

    Or, a demented clapped out Argie porridge muncher safely resident in Pictville sodden with single malt?

    Nov 28th, 2018 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Roger Lorton

    Argentina started its existence as a colony of Spain. On land stolen from the indigenous peoples of the La Plata area. In the second half of the 19th century, an independent Argentina chose to colonize Patagonia. More stolen land.

    Now don't take that as a criticism. It was the way of world. Always has been, and may yet be again. Just don't try to take any high moral ground Liberato. Argentina is a colonizer which maintains colonial aspirations with regard to the Falklands. Territory it has attempted to colonize by force on two occasions - 1832 & 1982.

    The people of the Falklands are recognised as separate from the British people by the United Nations. In 1982 the then Chair of the C24 accepted the Islanders' delegation as 'representatives' of the Islands people. Although the UK long ago stopped attending the Decolonization Committee, the UN still puts out a chair in case someone turns up. It's in a different place to those occupied by the representatives of the Falklands people.

    Nov 28th, 2018 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Huh...nothing wrong with porridge or single malt...

    Nov 29th, 2018 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    One out of two aint bad

    Nov 29th, 2018 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    Roger Lorton, quote: “Argentina is a colonizer which maintains colonial aspirations with regard to the Falklands. Territory it has attempted to colonize by force on two occasions - 1832 & 1982.”

    In 1832, there was like 58 years without any british governmental presence. Which, if we recall previously to those 58 years, their presence was brief and contested by a prior colony stablished by france and then Spain.
    In those 58 years or so, the only goverment that administered the whole territory of the islands were Spain and Argentina that, as you said, started its existence as a colony of the first one.

    quote2: “The people of the Falklands are recognised as separate from the British people by the United Nations”

    So what you say is that, for the UN, the british people that lives in Malvinas are different from those other british people that lives in Britain?. Wow, i have a feeling that you are gonna come up with a real crazy explanation that will make the british point of view like a fairy tale. and please i really really hope you link your propaganda crap of a webpage as a source of what you're saying like you did some other time.

    Nov 29th, 2018 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mollymauk

    Liberato - where was the Southern border of what is now called Argentina in 1833? How did Argentina extend its territory to where it is now? How many people did they kill in the process?
    Do you want to re-instate the borders back to 1832 in all cases, or just these island?

    Nov 29th, 2018 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @Liberato

    “In 1832, there was like 58 years without any british governmental presence”

    Before 1832, there had never been any Government presence from the United Provinces( Buenos Aires Government if you like).

    In 1832 there had been no Government presence from Spain for 21 years.

    However, there had been an active British claim on the Falklands at least since 1690 by landing and naming, and from 1765, prior to the establishment of Fort George and Jasons Town at Port Egmont.

    If 1833 had been the first time that Britain had exercised sovereignty over the Falkland Islands without prior involvement, an uncontested Argentine claim would be understandable, but Britain in 1774 as Spain did in 1811, left a plaque of possession.

    Also from 1774, Royal Naval ships, British survey ships, whaling and sealing ships were regularly in Falkland waters, whilst ships or any presence from the United Provinces, were absent, until 1832 when Mestivier's (a Frenchman by the way) landed, an action that was protested diplomatically by Britain.

    “their presence was brief and contested by a prior colony stablished by france and then Spain.”

    Prior colony by France, but the Spanish military garrison was later than the British.

    The French did not land before 1690.

    “In those 58 years or so, the only goverment that administered the whole territory of the islands were Spain and Argentina that, as you said, started its existence as a colony of the first one.”


    Britain's presence was challenged but because France and Spain were not keen on losing a war with Britain, Port Egmont was restored by treaty to Britain.

    Also, after Britain left Egmont, the Spanish destroyed the settlement but importantly did not occupy it, and did not challenge or exclude British ships regularly in the area.

    There is no reliable evidence to suggest that the Spanish settled anywhere else outside Port Louis (Soledad) itself, so they did not demonstrate complete jurisdiction over the Islands

    Nov 29th, 2018 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    Pete Bog,
    “Before 1832, there had never been any Government presence from the United Provinces”

    Yes, in 1820 Captain David Jewett took formal possesion of the islands in the name of the United Provinces. and administered them even after the US incident until 1833.
    In 1811 Spain left due to our independence.

    “However, there had been an active British claim on the Falklands at least since 1690 by landing and naming, and from 1765, prior to the establishment ....”

    Nope, Britain claimed the islands, yes. Britain landed in the islands, yes. Britain stablished Port Egmont, yes. But Britain did not discovered the islands first. Did not claimed the islands first, and did not colonized the islands first either. And when Port Egmont was stablished by a few years by Britain, they did it hidden from the prior colonial administration. So illegally.
    And since 1774 to 1829, there was absolutelly no protest of any kind by Britain to the several spanish and later argentine administration of the islands.

    ”Also from 1774, Royal Naval ships, British survey ships, whaling and sealing ships were regularly in Falkland waters, whilst ships or any presence from the United Provinces, were absent, until 1832 when Mestivier's (a Frenchman by the way) landed, an action that was protested diplomatically by Britain“

    In 1774 there was no United Provinces. But there was Spain that controlled not only the continental territory of the later United Provinces but the whole territory of Malvinas until the independence without a single british protest or claim.

    ”Also, after Britain left Egmont, the Spanish destroyed the settlement but importantly did not occupy it, and did not challenge or exclude British ships regularly in the area.”

    The destruction itself of Port Egmont is an act of sovereignty and administration. and did not got any protest on the british part. And the british ships did not challenged sovereignty.

    Nov 29th, 2018 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    Liberato...

    And Spain is not Argentina and Argentina is not Spain.....

    Dec 02nd, 2018 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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