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Theresa May in Buenos Aires: good and bad news, Falklands and the Brexit deal

Friday, November 30th 2018 - 06:19 UTC
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A few minutes before midnight Friday, Buenos Aires time, a Royal Air Force transport with Prime Minister Theresa May landed at Ezeiza airport. Mrs May is the first serving UK prime minister to visit the capital Buenos Aires, and the second to travel to Argentina, after Tony Blair in 2001. Read full article

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  • gamakin

    Anybody with 2 connected brain cells should be aware that the 2016 agreement by-passing Congress is rejected by the opposition. Any likely government to succeed Macri and he is highly unpopular having plunged Argentina into indebtedness and an unnecessary crises, is hardly likely to continue with any understanding the Macri administration signs up to. Whilst cooperation is welcome islanders had better see that whatever is agreed it meets with wide consensus that includes the opposition. Besides landing in Córboba given distance form main international airport seems a sure way of shooting oneself in the foot just because Buenos Aires is politically sensitive to islanders. Brrexit as the Bank of England and the UK Treasury acknowledge will issue in further economic decline. The status quo will possibly fray. Islanders had better remember Lord Shackleton that warned and his warning is still valid, that the islands were not economically nor demographically feasible without an Argentine connection. The post 1982 status quo will not last forever.

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Lord Shackleton back in the early 1900s! Things have changed a bit since then… Typical dumb brainwashed RG comment!

    As she's in Argieland perhaps someone can teach her the tango?

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Brasileiro

    Where is England? In Europe? Irrelevant. Our business is with China and Arab countries. So much so that we will no longer transfer the embassy to Jerusalem.

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Jack Bauer

    @Brazzo
    Well done, Brazzo.....didn't expect you to know where England is.......but I'm sure you know where Venezuela and Cuba are, don't you ?

    Is the decision to transfer the Embassy (or not) your's to take ? just asking.....

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • The Voice

    Evry fule kno that Brasshole is actually our old pal Nostrils posting from a very nice safe but cold Commonwealth country where he exists burger flipping in MacDonalds. As for having any influence whatsoever as to where embassies are situated hes clearly off with the fairies.

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • GALlamosa

    Poor old Makin, still living in the 70's and hoping all this Falkland Islands success is just a bad dream. Wake up and smell the sheep/fish/oil old chap.

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • falklandlad

    Hey Willie, your post is remarkably steeped in the darkest past. Come on! You need to educate yourself in modern Falkland times. Today islanders are allowed (and encouraged) to have more than 2 connected brain cells... the dismissal of the absentee landlord system changed much, unlike Argentina's aspiration to colonize the Falklands and treat its citizens with contempt. Lord Shackleton's proposals for economic reform surpassed even his expectations of potential cross-sectoral islands development; so its belittling of you to suggest that the Falklands should in some respects, hunker up to a failed populist (and exceedingly corrupt) Arg government if it wants a future. Your successive populist Kirchner governments willful attempts to drive deep and wide wedges across the Falklands fabric and economy to destroy it, are the reprehensible and failed actions the Kirchners. Those actions are deeply etched Falklands today's living memory. Neither you nor I will outlive these most recent memories.

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TV
    As a matter of fact, Brasshole is not Nostrils......Nostrils, also known by about 10 other names, lives in Mendoza. Seems to be revolted with everything in general....

    Brasshole is a low-life commie living in Paraná, Brazil...and I 'think', part of a group of idiots who take turns at posting their crap.

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gamakin

    It is telling that one never gets a reasoned reply. All replies are ad hominem. But then I have learnt to expect little from Falkland Islanders

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Jo Bloggs

    Gamakin
    You don’t really expect anything but ad hominem responses to a post that begins “Anyone with 2 connected brain cells should be aware...” Do you?

    I think the flight news is tremendous and the best deal we could hope for. Luckily the disaster that this G20 appears to have become will overshadow the Brexit news.

    The Trump - Putin body language so far has been very interesting.

    Nov 30th, 2018 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    I will reply to your posts, when I get back if I don't have time before then. I watched some of the protest yesterday and saw a lot of MST signs, not sure it's your MST or not.

    Dec 01st, 2018 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT (contn of “CFK etc...in critical thinkg forum”) ; good to see u r still alive..
    Immigration from Europe, btwn 1820/80.

    Re ‘new’ evidence, watched Lula's interrogation by Gabriela Hardt on Atibaia home - was unable to answer simple questions. Tried to invert roles, questioning the judge/prosecutors, until was told to shut up ‘n his lawyer suggested he go to the toilet to calm down.

    Claudia Cruz claimed she'd always believed the funds in Cunha’s foreign a/cs came fm commissions earned fm trading w/ W.Africa (Cunha’s story, partially true). Of course she knew, but there was nothing linking her to the “origin” of the a/cs.
    ML, besides being who signed the Bancoop contract, in 2005, negotiated the exchange of the smaller flat for the triplex & reforms, 2014, w/ Leo Pinheiro.

    Re PG, Bolsonaro has said, if he or any other person, indicated by him, is formally charged, they'll be sacked.

    Haddad’s announced choices (had he won): Jacques Wagner (accused of corruption); Rui Falcão (PT founder & communist); Luiz Dulci (ex-union leader, involved in corruption 'n irregular campaign propaganda); Sergio Gabrielli (prez PB while being looted by PT/PMDB, e.g., “loss” of US$ 1 bill in Pasadena Refinery purchase); Gleisi Hoffman (accused of corruption, money laundering); P. Okamotto (partner of LILS- Lula’s ‘lectures -‘n ex-head of Lula institute, involved in corruption); Franklin Martins (ex-guerilla, a declared communist); R.Berzoini (ex-unions, involved in corruption); A.Mercadante (accused of corruption); José Guimarães (corruption – arrested at airport w/ US$ 100,000 in underwear); José Genuíno - convicted, on parole); G.Carvalho (corruption - involved in suspicious Decree Laws to favor auto industry); Sounds like the “most wanted” list. But that's ok.

    Re PG, his deposition on 05 Dec should clarify the alleged fraud in stock exchange ops with Pension Funds. He claims the funds made a profit, 'n “meanwhile”, PT already actively divulging he's guilty. Let's see...

    Dec 01st, 2018 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    I haven't been robbed or murdered yet, but we had a hell of a time getting here; there was an accident on the A1 and I was convinced we were going to miss the flight, but we made it to the check-in desk with 5 minutes to spare. Luckily there was no queue for security.

    Cash machines in Argentina suck, apart from the extortionate fees, they only dispense 100 peso notes which means you get a ridiculous wad of cash... guess I need a bigger wallet. After making a few withdrawals I felt like a drug dealer, counting big piles of $100 bills on the table.

    BA is like a ghost town in the centre, everything is closed including a lot of the roads and the only people there in abundance were the police. I don't know why they need so many different types in one country.

    Also, my partner foolishly refused to wear suncream today and now resembles a boiled lobster. It wasn't even hot but the sun is a lot brighter, don't you get this problem in SP?

    Dec 02nd, 2018 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    DT Dont forget to visit the Villa by the railway tracks and spare a thought for the Cartoneros.

    Dec 02nd, 2018 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “haven't been robbed yet...” Well, with the military out to maintain law & order, and most places closed, there'd be few people in the streets, including pickpockets (common crime in the centre).

    By what I gather, black market rates aren't all that attractive at the moment, being only 10% higher than the official rate, and you run the risk of getting counterfeit in return. As a foreigner, and paying your hotel with an int'l credit card, you could demand they remove the 21% IVA tax from the bill...did you ?

    Quite common for tourists down here to ignore the burning power of the sun....even if slightly overcast....and if their skin is very white, they'll find out the hard way. Good news is that the soreness only lasts a few days...

    Dec 02nd, 2018 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I already saw people gathering cardboard from the bins on the street, and worse one guy eating out of them. I don't think the homeless could afford to get out of town and they didn't get any good from the G20.

    The police have mostly gone now and the Subte has reopened - the buskers are kinda fun and the tickets are absurdly cheap. We went back to the Av 9 de Julio today, it's weird to think we were standing in the middle of a 10 lane highway behind police with riot shields and water cannon.

    Pic of the protest: https://ibb.co/Bj82KJT

    I would have much rather just exchanged money in the UK, but for some reason you can't get Argentine pesos there. And our hotel bill wasn't supposed to include the tax, I paid it before we came, but when we arrived they insisted we pay the tax because “it's an apartment not a hotel”. After arguing for an hour and being given the runaround by Expedia on the phone, we decided to give them the money and try and get it back off Expedia later rather than start looking for somewhere else to stay.

    I hate wearing suncream, makes you so sticky, but it's better than risking skin cancer. I can't really see it, but I think I'm a little burned as well; we'll both have to be more careful from now on. It's weird seeing the sun go round the sky the wrong way, too - I want to see a back-to-front sundial.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Being a Cartonero (gatherer of cartons and plastics) is a respected occupation for the unemployed. It seemed to me to be confined to indiginous people which points to discrimination.
    The Nice to Club is a good destination.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “but for some reason you can't get Argentine pesos there”.....becos there's v. little demand for them..
    Re 'apartment', I think they swindled you....but Expedia should sort it out.

    Contn of “Lobbying in the UK...”
    “you can't sack someone without good reason, and if you lay people off you have to follow proper procedures”….laying people off, (or sacking them) if redundant, or that do not meet expectations, sounds like “good reason” to me; anyway, that’s classified as “w/o ”reasonable” cause” and all proper procedures are followed. So what’s the problem ?

    You can sue here as well, but doesn’t mean you’re right. Vacation was 30 consecutive days - now more flexible ; 30 at once made it easier to control physically 'n financially, allowing the Co to plans things should a temp worker be needed to replace someone. Today, you’re not obliged to take all 30 at once, but can opt for it if you want.

    The ‘machismo’ here causes murders all the time…the max prison term is 30 yrs (for one crime), but you might be out after 5. Disgusting. The Russian husband should have got life in prison…or even death.

    Lula always used the principle ‘divide to conquer’, reason why he threw the poor against the rich, workers against employers, the LGBT crowd against heterosexuals, feminists against men, MST against landowners…...not sure to what extent he believed in what he said, but he would explore every possibility where he saw he could weaken an opponent group (that may not have been as supportive as he would've liked) to gain another’s support. Today, he and the PT are against the establishment, simply because it halted their 30 years power project, and they try to convince everyone that it is ‘out to get him’…to the PT, his crimes are irrelevant. He always held contempt for the rich (clear in his speeches where he always emphasizes his poor childhood, insinuating the rich are to blame), but didn’t think twice about stealing from his ‘people’, to become one of them.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @gamakin

    “that the islands were not economically nor demographically feasible without an Argentine connection.”

    Yet without a strong Argentine connection, the balance of payments in the Islands is always positive, i.e. they run at a profit, not a loss so it depends what Shackleton's or your definition of 'economically feasible' is?

    The Falkland Islanders seem to be content with their lives, without being a very rich country, with enough money to support their education, heath, transport, utilities and many other government run sector needs , including enough money to enable their people to have free university education in the UK.

    That sounds like a feasible economy to me.

    Have you taken into consideration the huge economic potential the Falkland Islands have in the future to produce biofuel (if they wish to)?

    And when they have a deep water port, they will attract a lot of shipping business.

    The islanders may benefit from the extra air connection but if it disappears under a future peronist government , the islanders will find a way round this as they have been capable of doing for the last 200 years.

    It is part of their long South Atlantic evolved DNA, the result of having partial isolation which breeds a resilient and flexible nature able to cope with change but above all the rare ability to find happiness without being jealous of what other people have.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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