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Bolsonaro recommends “prudence” before signing any Mercosur/EU agreement

Saturday, December 1st 2018 - 08:47 UTC
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Brazil's president-elect Jair Bolsonaro said “prudence” was necessary before signing any trade agreement with other nations, in reference to the ongoing negotiations between Mercosur and the European Union. Read full article

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  • Chicureo

    President Bolsonaro completely understands “environmental politics” are seriously detrimental to Brazil's development. He would be wise to avoid any French “assistance.”

    I think his mindset is Brazil first, scr*w the Greenpeace environmentalists.

    Dec 01st, 2018 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    “Several ministers of the president-elect cabinet have questioned Mercosur as an obstacle to developing trade links”...........exactly. Every time a trade agreement with Europe seemed to be getting close, Brazil's Mercosur partners botched it. Why should the Mercosur be allowed to prevent Brazil from signing bilateral agreements with other countries, if as a block it is incapable of ?

    If Macron chooses to boycot Brazil due to environmental issues, it's his call, but just as important as it is to preserve the environment, namely the Amazon region, it is also important to establish rules which permit timely, transparent decisions (from the Ministry of the Environment) when it comes down to approving (or not) large engineering (and other) projects. The current conflict with the agribusiness is just one more of the aspects, where inefficiency translates into losses and people doing what they want. Presently, the Ministry of the Environment drags it's feet, at times taking years to come up with a decision, and meanwhile everything is put on hold.
    Besides this specific issue, which demands quicker, better decisions, the Environmental authorities are extremely inefficient in preventing illegal loggers.....it's quite common for the government itself to not even follow its own official policy, even less to achieve its targets,
    leaving the door open to all sorts of problems.
    While the environmentalists are against chopping down any forests (or development in areas other than those that have already been devastated by bad policy / lack of supervision), the agribusiness, the mining industry can't wait to chop 'em down, so where's the happy medium ?
    Believe a reasonable solution will only be found when both sides get down to some serious thinking, that converges towards a common interest.

    Dec 01st, 2018 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Unfortunately Brazil's Mercosur “partners” have been a tremendous hindrance to negotiating advantageous trade agreements. Having partners like CFK, Pepe and Maduro certainly caused enormous roadblocks. Perhaps there might be some hope working with Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay in the future, but I think doubtful.

    A careful study of the decline of Amazon rainforest shows a steady pace during Lula and Dilma, both darlings of the Greenpeace minded community, so why now should Bolsonaro be a threat? Although the economy is starting to resurge back due to agribusiness, the environmentalist radicals Paris Accord constrictions would only constrict the country's potential.

    By the way, the French people in the yellow vests are currently showing their unhappiness with their politicians about the high price of fuel due to the environmentalist unrealistic goals.

    An excellent video on why Socialism has nearly destroyed Brazil:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKhR9i5CGkAq

    Dec 01st, 2018 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    @Chicureo

    It's funny how outgoing governments (which means they 'lost' the election), always bring up sensitive issues and criticize the incoming government (without yet having taken over) for doing what they did for the past 4, 8, 12, or 16 years....the PT administrations did a lousy job of the protecting the environment, and even before Bolsonaro is sworn in, they are speculating and criticizing what they “think” he will do (through fake news and creating discontent), as if “their” past performance was something to be proud of.

    With the PT, one always sees, very clearly, that if they are not in control, they literally work against everything that is necessary and positive for Brazil....for them, if out of power, then the worse the situation, the better. Their strategy is to count on people's short memories, and at each election preach that they will be the country's saviors....to fix the mess they made in the first place. And which explains why they absolutely refuse to publicly admit they screwed up. They refuse to learn with their mistakes.
    Just need to see the list of criminals Haddad was going announce as his Ministers, had he won....bringing back the old MO, of backstage deals and “buying” support....while fooling the ignorant masses that they are bending over backwards to help them.

    The critics of Bolsonaro's intention to not give Mercosul top priority status, don't want to realize what it really means : taking other, potentially better trading partners, off the low-priority list.

    Regarding the video of Felipe Moura, explains Brazil's situation in a nutshell. I had already seen it, in Portuguese. Prager U, which I follow (and agree with), put out some damned good videos, which obviously rub the lefty populists the wrong way.

    Dec 02nd, 2018 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    Actually deforestation fell during Lula's presidency, then started to rise again during Dilma's, but I doubt you care about the loss of the Amazon any more than you do about accuracy.

    It isn't in leftists' imagination that Bolso considered leaving the Paris agreement, has a climate-change denialist in his cabinet, and cancelled Brazil's offer to host the UN climate change meeting next year, besides the fact he's sucking up to Trump who is avowedly anti-science. But from what you say you prefer short term profit (and not even your own!) to the long term good of everyone, so why not just admit Bolso is likely to be as bad for the environment as Trump and you're happy about that?

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    First, I support efforts to reduce worldwide pollution and have a great respect for conserving large nature reserves, in the Amazon, Patagonia, ect... However, I believe there can be limited sustainable development of the Amazon without following the abusive practices of the past fifty years.
    Like Trump, Bolsonaro is wisely divorcing himself away from the economic problematic Paris agreement to advance his county's success.
    Make Brazil to its Greatest Potential. MBGP

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    So you support efforts to reduce world wide pollution by opposing the main effort to reduce world wide pollution? Do explain how that works.

    And I'm afraid your slogan just isn't very catchy. B is an admirer of the past, when the military ruled Brazil, no? Sadly, over their 20 years rule the dictators failed to make Brazil great.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT

    REF: “Sadly, over their 20 years rule the dictators failed to make Brazil great”

    Nobody cares about “THAT”!

    The majority is opposed to the rampant corruption + violence, worsening economy & the “Record of PT” and were misguided into thinking that Bolso is only the answer [the mass-hypnotism at the churches also helped]!

    Although personally,I can't believe in such a wild fairy-tale that the traditional ills will finally disappear; I'd like to see the faces of those who are in his favor when “The Coin Falls”; to realize that NONE of their dreams come true.
    http://blogdoaftm.web2419.uni5.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/820x615x2034-820x615.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zx4pcdUxfQ.jpg

    By the way, coincidently and agonizingly; those who enjoyed the fireworks + danced on the streets upon knowing J. B.'s victory; are the SAME who also enjoyed the fireworks & danced on the streets when PT came to power!

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    You seem to be an a foul mood... Did you get off your bed on the wrong side again?
    The Paris Agreement is basically nothing more than a politically crafted shell game to allow China and India spew billions of tons of carbon pollutants into the atmosphere while heavily restricting Western economies with burdensome conditions that would result in questionable results at best. For example, the Paris Agreement does nothing to address Indonesia's nasty habit of annually burning vast parts of its forests and. China causing enormous pollution emissions. There is solid evidence that global warming is indeed related in a very small part due to CO2 emissions, but overwhelming scientific evidence shows that the vast majority comes naturally from the earth itself.

    Also, my slogan was nothing to do with the unfortunate military rule of Brazil, but instead of what could make Brazil great in the future.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Chicureo

    REF: “what could make Brazil great in the future”:

    Glad to know that you have an excellent sense of humor!

    What's the NEXT [political] joke?

    Pl. let me help:
    https://i0.wp.com/humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Black-Friday-1.jpg?resize=480%2C360

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    :o))

    As I've mentioned, I have two good friends in Brazil and enjoyed getting to know well the people especially in the Petrolina area during several visits. Although the country's past leaders have been Brazil's greatest enemies against its progress, I still personally believe the country could emerge to its potential greatness.

    I sincerely hope for the people of Brazil that their country succeed its potential.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “It isn't in leftists' imagination that Bolso considered leaving the Paris agreement”.....yes he did “consider” it, but no longer. As many things, one might 'consider' them but not go through with them....shows he listens and 'thinks'.

    “...and cancelled Brazil's offer to host the UN climate change meeting next year”.....NO. Who cancelled it was Temer (sensible decision, as money is tight...), because, as far as I know, B only takes over Jan 1st.

    “...he's sucking up to Trump who is avowedly anti-science.”......Don't know about Trump's anti-science stance, but B is definitely NOT against science, improving technology etc....why d'you think he put an aeronautical engineer /ex-astronaut (Marcos Pontes) in his cabinet ?

    “....Bolso is likely to be as bad for the environment as Trump”.....where's this coming from ?
    B thought that merging the environmt/agriculure ministries might lead to better results (less conflict, more harmonious relations btwn the two, better end result for all..) ; everyone complained, so be backed dow. Now, everyone is still criticizing his decision....as you are...and based on what exactly ? he has only said that 'environment' should not get in the way of progress, which does not imply giving agriculture a blank cheque ? way above I explained that the current Env Ministry, is extremely inefficient, in that it takes years to take decisions (bad for everyone), and has done a lousy job in preserving nature etc...

    I think that B needs to be given a chance. No one seems to want to condemn past administrations for doing a lousy job, but are just too willing to condemn B before he's even started....not particulary fair...imo.

    @Chicureo
    Our military may not have made Brazil great, but they did prevent the commies from taking over, and they built quite a bit of infrastructure....something the later civilian governments have virtually ignored....stealing seems to have been “their main” objective, while letting the country 'run itself'.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    Our military absolutely saved our country from becoming like Venezuela, but it was USA trained economists that set our country back on track to economic success. Fortunately our politicians are not as adept as yours in Brazil.

    Bolsonaro will win if he sidesteps the globalist carbon tax swindle and focus on his country's economy.

    Dec 03rd, 2018 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    “Our military may not have made Brazil great, but they did prevent the commies from taking over”
    Caught lying again for the umpteenth time. Absolute fiction as there was no such enterprise.
    “The US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party”
    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/brazil.htm
    “it was USA trained economists that set our country back on track”
    “The Chicago Boy's plan failed in Chile. Brazil wants to give it another shot”
    https:// brazilian.report/money/2018/11/29/chicago-boys-chile-brazil-paulo-guedes/

    Dec 04th, 2018 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Jack Bauer

    @Chicureo
    Most of Paulo Guedes' economic team are University of Chicago trained.....against the notion that you can spend yourself out of deep recession.....the problem I see here now, is, as usual, Congress.....just as well significant numbers of the 'old school' politicians were not re-elected (including quite a few toxic 'petistas'), but hope the newcomers manage to resist the temptation to look after themselves first....before Brazil.

    Dec 04th, 2018 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    ”The other side of Chile's 'economic miracle'
    one percent of the country's population possesses one-third of its wealth, while a new study by the University of Chile cites a figure of 30.5 percent - compared to the 27 percent owned by the richest one percent in the US.
    The gap between Chile's richest ten percent and its poorest ten percent is wider than any other country in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), a group of 34 countries with developed economies.”
    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/11/other-side-chile-economic-miracle-201311159282210130.html

    Dec 04th, 2018 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    Chile had their experience with our “ Chicago Boys” which didn't workout as originally planned, but set us on the right economic track for eventual success. You must remember, the Marxists left our country in bankruptcy in 1973.
    Typical misleading article by Terrence Hill does not reflect reality of Chile as it compares to other Latin America countries. Yet, using the source within the article that Terrence cites The OECD: http://www.oecd.org/chile/economic-survey-chile.htm you'll actually see that Chile is a nice country to be a citizen of. There are only three countries in Latin America that have an overall high overall living standard: Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Public “free” healthcare and education are far less accessible overall in Chile, but otherwise with that exception, Chile has the highest living standard.
    What Terrence doesn't understand is that (with the exception of Uruguay) Chile's poor are far better off than the rest of Latiin America's poor.

    Dec 04th, 2018 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    No what I'm indicating is that doctrinairism in what ever form it be in is at best, only sustainable for at max of eight years, otherwise the electorate would have selected one of them as quasi permanent.
    “see that Chile is a nice country to be a citizen of.” I'm sure its delightful, the point is once the US had stopped strangling your economy, it was going to improve. But your attempt to portray it as successful depends where you are on the economic ladder in Chile
    ”The Chicago boys
    and the Chilean 'economic miracle'
    SUMMARY: So what was the record for the entire Pinochet regime? Between 1972 and 1987, the GNP per capita fell 6.4 percent. (13) In constant 1993 dollars, Chile's per capita GDP was over $3,600 in 1973. Even as late as 1993, however, this had recovered to only $3,170. (14) Only five Latin American countries did worse in per capita GDP during the Pinochet era (1974-1989). (15) And defenders of the Chicago plan call this an “economic miracle.”
    http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/econom~1.htm

    Dec 04th, 2018 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • :o))

    @JB

    REF: “Why should the Mercosur be allowed to prevent Brazil from signing bilateral agreements with other countries, if as a block it is incapable of ? ”:

    That's correct - too many cooks.........

    Besides; what's the best for one country may not be so good for the others who may [unnecessarily] be involved.

    The species of political nature, even from the same country are mostly adversaries [if not uncooperative] - imagine such crooks from many countries conspiring against each other! The chances of a fruitful & highly beneficial outcome from a such unions are most likely to be doomed before they even START [messing]!

    Dec 04th, 2018 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/groups/Latin-America-and-Caribbean

    Terrence lives in an alternative universe where Lenin is his master...

    Dec 04th, 2018 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “Terence lives..” “We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech.” Cicero,
    You're the one who is claiming an economic miracle for your country.
    “So this is all that happened that during Chile's ”Economic Miracle“ — laid-off workers returned to their old jobs. When you take both the recession and recovery into account, Chile actually had the second worst rate of growth in Latin America between 1975 and 1980. Only Argentina did worse.
    And even then, much of Chile's growth was artificial or fictitious. Between 1977 and 1981, 80 percent of Chile's growth was in the unproductive sectors of the economy, like marketing and financial services. Much of this was speculation attracted to Chile's phenomenally high interest rates, which, at 51 percent in 1977, were the highest in the world.
    Chile's integration into the world market would leave it vulnerable to world market forces. The international recession that struck in 1982 hit Chile especially hard, harder than any other Latin American country. Not only did foreign capital and markets dry up, but Chile had to pay out stratospheric interest rates on its orgy of loans. Most analysts attribute the disaster both to external shocks and Chile's own deeply flawed economic policies. By 1983, Chile's economy was devastated, with unemployment soaring at one point to 34.6 percent — far worse than the U.S. Great Depression. Manufacturing production plunged 28 percent. The country's biggest financial groups were in free fall, and would have collapsed completely without a massive bail-out by the state. The Chicago boys resisted this measure until the situation became so critical they could not possibly avoid it.”

    Dec 05th, 2018 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    It just annoys me when you imply the environmentalists are worrying about nothing: “why now should Bolsonaro be a threat?”, and then in the very next sentence say exactly why they should be worrying. Of course the Paris agreement has problems, but you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It's hard to get agreement from 200-odd countries, and the leaders of every developed country thought it was good enough to sign up to. Chile too.

    Re global warming, depends what you mean. The natural greenhouse effect is indeed much larger and important because it stops the earth being a giant snowball. But that's not particularly relevant when it comes to changes we are causing. The warming predicted without any reduction in CO2 emissions is comparable to the difference between an ice age and an inter-glacial, and that's plenty enough to ruin your century.

    As for the Chicago boys, didn't you tell me once that Chile suffered 10 years of economic turmoil while your government worked out which of their theories worked in practice and which were a disaster for the economy?

    @JB
    Latest article on here says “Bolsonaro also revealed that he took part in the recent government decision to withdraw Brazil's offer to host the COP25 UN climate conference next year, officially due to 'budget constraints.'” And besides that he's going to stop the environmental monitoring agencies handing out 'fines all over the place' (after they gave him one for fishing illegally). Seems to me the big problem in Brazil is lack of enforcement, not too much of it, but there's no suggestion he's going to address that. Rather he wants to open more areas up to development and says protecting the environment cannot get in the way. How much more evidence do you need?

    Dec 05th, 2018 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    IMO DT needs to travel quite a bit more before he can constantly sound off on matters that he so obviously struggles with. That said, so do many politicians too.
    If you find a series of leaks it makes sense to tackle the worst ones first..

    Dec 05th, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @Chicureo
    To try to make his point, Terry resorts to a FIVE year old Al Jazeera report (of Nov 2013), but then again, he's a master at presenting stale news or things out-of-context.......obviously doesn't understand that changes can occur in 5 years...

    His statement “...what I'm indicating is that doctrinairism in what ever form it be in, is at best, only sustainable for at max of eight years.....” is interesting...“sustainable for at max of 8 years” he says........then wonder what he might have to say about “lulopetismo” in Brazil, which he defends tooth 'n nail ? this stinkin' doctrine prevailed for 14 years, but was only “sustainable” for 8 yrs (2003-2010) or, the time it took for the money to run out. He must've no doubt, been very happy to see it last as many as 14 years, but is now unhappy because it lasted only 14.

    @DT
    The fact B may have “taken part in the recent government decision to withdraw Brazil's offer” is, if anything, to his credit...while any other country, that can afford the cost, can host it, he was merely showing concern abt the country's finances...as “officially due to budget constraints”....but of course, there are those who will insist he is against the conference, period.

    ”....he's going to stop the environmental monitoring agencies handing out 'fines all over the place'...You can interpret that however you want, but the fact is that fines are rarely paid anyway. Many fines might be well-deserved, but offenders usually appeal and nothing happens. What is needed is a set of rules that is clear, establishing fines for well-defined offences - which avoids inpectors handing out fines for bribes - as well as the Ministry's jurisdiction.
    Currently, lack of enforcement too, is a big problem. It usually occurs only when the problem is too big to ignore, or when there is something to gain from it. Everyone speculates on what he's said, as well as abt what he hasn't.
    Speculation by those who want him to fail, isn't evidence.

    Dec 05th, 2018 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @JB

    REF: “Speculation isn't evidence”:

    It IS speculations, theories, conspiracies, etc; but could be also based on visions of likelihoods [like betting]:
    https://www.otempo.com.br/polopoly_fs/1.1372097.1534256800!httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/main-horizontal-photo-gallery-leading-fit_620/image.jpg

    Dec 05th, 2018 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    Terry is a mindless Marxist with an ignorant understanding of our continent. My point about “ climate change” has really become a vehicle for evil carbon taxes. I'm all for protecting the environment, but I perfectly understand the anger of the French “yellow vests” protesting the high fuel taxes.

    Dec 05th, 2018 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    https://ibb.co/Xy4Prfz

    Travel - and experience in general - do not teach you more about climate science - or economics. If you are worried about plugging the worst leaks first, the US is second in the world for CO2 emissions, and the EU combined is 3rd. Politics is the art of the possible, as the Brexiteers are belatedly discovering...

    By the way, do the think the austerity forced on Greece by the EU was beneficial? A 'for their own good' type of thing?

    @JB
    “he was merely showing concern abt the country's finances”

    Why'd you deny Bolso had a hand in the decision, then? It's part of a pattern of disregard/low priority given to the environment. His own words and actions aren't speculation, he could've said he'd make sure the fines were enforced as well as ensuring they were fair, but no. He didn't pay his fine, either. By the sound of it he's just another person who thinks the laws don't apply to him.

    @Chicureo
    Isn't cap and trade a perfect example of using the free market to solve problems?

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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    @Chicureo

    REF: I think his mindset is Brazil first, scr*w the Greenpeace environmentalists

    Really improving the environments and minimizing all kinds of pollution - water/air/sound, etc. - to experience marked improvements; is a Long-Term Group-Investment by ALL countries TOGETHER.

    Everyone knows & understands THAT! However, ALL govts are interested in the Short-Term benefits and thus any environment based project is destined to be doomed even before it's blue-printed.

    Answering questions about Bolsonaro (from the comments):

    https://notesonliberty.com/2018/12/05/answering-questions-about-bolsonaro-from-the-comments/

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    JB
    “doesn't understand that changes can occur in 5 years...”
    It was in answer to the claims ”carbon tax swindle ...(Chile's)economic miracle“
    ”Half the country has become a desert under misguided industrial and environmental policies. A study by the Central Bank of Chile estimates that by the year 2025, Chile's native forests will have disappeared at current rates of extraction. The Bank also reports that out of nine fish stocks off the Chilean coast, only one (sardines) has increased between 1985 and 1993. Five are in dramatic decline, having fallen between 30 and 96 percent.
    Chicago economist Ronald Coase, you may recall, won a Nobel prize for a theorem explaining how markets can resolve externalities like pollution. Chile — the Chicago boys' own experiment — strongly suggests otherwise.“
    http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/econom~1.htm
    ”stale news...changes can occur in 5 years” Hopefully they can, but it's noted that you cannot reference any later material that refutes the original.
    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Cap and trade seemed to be a good proposal, but in the end turned out just a new way of taxing people. Meanwhile, China is destroying the environment full throttle.

    Terrence's bizarre descriptions of Chile are are like a pig on LSD....

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    “Terry is a ...Marxist” No proof, no truth.
    My descriptions rely on a published record which constitute proof. Yours are simply your unproven opinion, which says it all.

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @TH

    REF: Chicago economist Ronald Coase, you may recall, won a Nobel prize for a theorem explaining how markets can resolve externalities like pollution

    No matter how right he is in his thesis for receiving THE Medal; ultimately it all boils down to personal + party-politics & interests [personal interests FIRST, of course (how FAST the overseas accounts get FATTER)]!

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    QUOTE “Terry is a ...Marxist” No proof, no truth.”

    I owe a sincere apology to the nescient-imbecilic Terrance Hill by accusing him simply as a being a Marxist. In truth, although it's clear that Terry is an ignorant mentally challenged Che Guevara t-shirt anarchist with Mao Zedong and Vladimir Lenin inspired ideology that he blindly follows like a pig on LSD. He's probably incapable of reading a book, much less Das Kapital by Karl Marx.

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    You can huff and puff all you want using your fascist misspeak. But your failure in meeting your burden of proof. As well as failing to refute the fact that Chile is a failure economically, even with a totally authoritarian government. Using economic policies that promised to erase the blight of pollution. Your forests and fisheries are headed for extinction as a result of such misguided governorship. While I continue with the use of Chilean statistics facts to prove I'm right.
    Ignoring the Burden of Proof, … he who asserts must prove. Since you haven’t an adverse inference can be drawn.
    “The best way to win an argument is to begin by being right.” Jill Ruckeshaus
    “When cowardly individuals are not able to attack the message, they attack the messenger.” Abderrahman Hassi
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “Why'd you deny Bolso had a hand in the decision, then?”
    Simply because I wasn't aware he'd 'taken part' in it (v. likely the only one 'willing' to see the implications of wreckless spending), 'n thought it highly unlikely tt Temer would've listened to B.....as he didn't in 2 other VERY important issues :
    1) rgdng the 16 % salary increase for federal magistrates (which'll cost an addt'l R$ 6 billion/ year); 2) the Christmas pardon for criminals (in which Temer ignored the legal restrictions)....and now, he might sanction Congress' 'amnesty' to Municipalities which broke the Law of Fiscal Responsibility, as well as permitting them to continue to do so) ...that's why. At the end of his term, Temer seems determined to keep the politicians happy - no matter what - hoping Congress might save his ass after he loses political immunity in Jan.

    “He didn't pay his fine, either. By the sound of it, just another person who thinks laws don't apply to him”
    Don't know what you've read in your “impartial”, press, but by what you're saying, sounds like it was highly exaggerated. Looked it up, learned the following : B has a small house in Angra (RJ),and in 2012, went out to fish - on a rowing boat, with a fishing rod, not a net - while admiring the scenery, an IBAMA inspector (part of the Env Min) appeared 'n fined him for illegal fishing. Despite Bs explaining he lived there/ had permission from the local fishing authority, for amateur fishing, 40 days later he received the fine. He appealed, and eventually 3 years later, the STF ruled that under the circumstances, the fine (for such an insignificant 'crime') was ridiculous, 'n cancelled it. Reason why it wasn't paid.
    The above's a good example of how the press gets hold of an insignificant story of 6 years ago, blows it out of proportion, omitting relevant parts, just to throw sh*t on him.

    @TH
    Besides yr usual sidestepping, why don't you tell us what happened after (the max of) 8 yrs of the “Lulopetismo” doctrine ?

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    His distorted and mis-description of my country is proof alone why I described Terrence Hill as an ignorant mentally challenged Che Guevara anarchist with Mao Zedong and Vladimir Lenin inspired ideology that he blindly follows like a pig on LSD. (Perhaps I should apologize to swine of the world...)

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @Chicureo
    Think you should apologize to the swine, after all, they may stink a bit but are useful creatures.......and if you want to really insult someone from now on, call them “Terence Hill”...after all, he too stinks but is useless....

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack, you're completly correct, I apologize. Imagine a world without whole pit slow roasted hogs, crispy bacon, succulent BBQ pork ribs, Jamón Ibérico, Prosciutto Italiano, Kiełbasa, Andouille, Bratwurst, Salame, Chorizo, Smoked Ham, Honey Cured Ham... The endless list of the wonderful contributions made by our swine friends does indeed cause me deep regret for slandering their noble race with the odious ilk like Terrence Hill...

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  • Terence Hill

    JB
    Thanks for reminding me that there are exceptional politicians like Lula and Roosevelt who's stewardship is so well regarded that they have an extended run past the usual two terms. Which is the sole reason that Lula was convicted under your primitive legal system. He would not have been convicted on the evidence presented under any civilised legal system.
    “you should apologize to ...”
    Grasp your ears firmly and pull; you might just be able to remove your head from your ass.
    Are you always an idiot or just when I'm around?
    Those penis enlargement pills most be working, you're a bigger dick than you were last week.
    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    “His distorted...” My facts versus your opinion, no contest.
    “does indeed cause me deep regret...”
    I wish I had a lower I.Q., maybe then I could enjoy your company.
    What ever you are lacking in intelligence, you more than make up for in stupidity.
    Someone said that you are not fit to sleep with pigs. I stuck up for the pigs.
    This is no battle of wits between you and me. I never pick on an unarmed man.

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  • Chicureo

    Terrence's hero Franklin Roosevelt is burning in Hell along Dwight Eisenhower and they've reserved a very special place for Lula. Franklin even has a website devoted to his eternal damnation. http://fdrinhell.com

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    I hope they've reserved a very special place for you and Pinochet. Well the author of site you indicated has dutifully avoided
    presenting his name. Which indicates he doesn't have courage of convictions. Other, than his opinion he can't produce one fact that is depremental to Roosevelt.
    If your IQ was any lower, you'd need watering
    If you could suck your own dick then you would finally suck at everything.
    Being a dick won't make yours any bigger

    Dec 06th, 2018 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    From what I read, China was on track to meet their Paris treaty commitments. Dunno if they will now. They've never cared much about the environment in the past, but that seems to be slowly changing as the people get richer and start caring that their polluted air and water is slowly killing them.

    @JB
    B's fine was mentioned in the same article on Mercopress, and it said he had promised to pay it, too. MP isn't impartial and you were reading it before I was, but it's clearly no friend to Lula and the left. Something that isn't clear in your explanation was whether B really was doing something illegal?

    “At the end of his term, Temer seems determined to keep the politicians happy - no matter what - hoping Congress might save his ass after he loses political immunity in Jan.”

    Sounds about right. He chose keeping the judges happy over keeping B happy, but probably he's still willing to try the latter when it doesn't upset anyone else.

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  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    Well, if the fine was cancelled by the STF, why would he say he'll pay it ? and “when” did he (allegedly) say he would, before the STF ruling (2016), or more recently ? Fact is, I don't know, and really don't care, neither do I know why this incident deserved so much attention. Using a fishing rod in an area where (allegedly) only commercial fishing is prohibited, is not illegal, but then again I don't know what the environmental laws stipulate for the specific area where he was caught. Regardless, seems like a storm in a teacup.

    Temer lost a good chance to bow out gracefully....he may come to regret it. It's not about upsetting B, it's about pinning a R$ 6 billion/year price tag on the taxpayer, and totally unnecessary, considering that a salary of US$ 130,000 / year, plus countless (absurd) privileges and benefits, in a country like Brazil, is enough to live extremely comfortably on...

    Dec 07th, 2018 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/well_this_actually_explains_a_lot_biggest_delegations_to_un_climate_conference_come_from_poor_african_nations_.html

    Climate change is just another reason for global redistribution of wealth and little to do about protecting the environment. The French have already started to figure out this...

    Dec 07th, 2018 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    “Climate change is just another reason for global redistribution of wealth”
    Rubbish! Your reliance is on an unqualified blogger. Everyone is free to invest in none polluting energy sources.
    “Denialism is the refusal to accept well-established theory, law, fact or evidence.”
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Denialism

    Dec 07th, 2018 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    It's summer here, a nice time to light up the charcoal grill and place some excessive carbon footprint production beef steaks to sizzle so to add some additional CO2 into the atmosphere...
    ...I'll raise a glass of Cabernet to all my vegetarian and vegan animal lovers...

    Dec 07th, 2018 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    May you live life to the full, and imbibe a similar quality of water as your Santiago neighbours now enjoy.

    Dec 07th, 2018 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Wine imbecile! Wine...
    It goes perfectly with a nice medium rare steak.
    Cheers!

    Dec 07th, 2018 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    “Wine...” What a dumbass, I'm alluding to ”The liquid that emerges from the millions of faucets in the homes and alleys of Santiago have levels of copper, iron, magnesium and lead which exceed by many times the maximum tolerable norms.“ Those that want a free for all on environment should be the ones to to be most affected by the consequences.
    ”denialist
    Some poor bitch who can't handle the truth and lives their life by believing lies and convincing themselves of things that nobody believes but them.”
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=denialist

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Yeah Terry, don't you know water is for plebs?

    Have you ever eaten guanaco, Chicureo? Tried that this evening. Anyway, by global redistribution of wealth do you mean into the offshore bank accounts of the 1%? That seems to be the only kind most governments are interested in.

    @JB
    I don't know, the article said he promised to pay the fine. If it really was illegal then the only  problem is all the time-wasting appeals. The UK deals with that by giving a 'discount' of half the fine if you pay it promptly, so if you appeal you must pay double, and if you go to court you risk paying much more in costs if you lose, so usually only people who are really sure they can win do it.

    If the fishing was something not usually prosecuted I'd like to know why they bothered. Because he was rich and could pay, or because he was famous and they wanted to make an example of him, or what?

    Re Temer, I think it's no longer about what is good for Brazil but what will keep him from joining Lula in jail. B will have the power to do it, but apparently Temer thought giving the judges a pay rise was a better bet than giving B what he wanted.

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT

    REF: “The UK deals with that by giving a 'discount' of half the fine if you pay it promptly”:

    I heard that if anyone DOES pay; the cash is refunded + the crook gets monetary gifts besides other benefits.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_zfZJvZPFCQ/UVRowzYHe6I/AAAAAAAASmo/-9gNKTECpi0/s1600/mau-ladr%25C3%25A3o.jpg

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @Chicureo
    As always, it's obvious that Terry doesn't have a sense of humour...he actually thinks he's doing mankind a favor by clarifying that “the liquid that emerges from the millions of faucets in Santiago” is not wine.......only 'he' didn't 'get it'.

    Rgdng the “American Thinker”, it's unfortunately true, many delegations, i.e., the African ones, that attend these UN climate conferences, are there for the money, and to spend 'their' taxpayers' money....the only reason they can talk guiltlessly of global pollution, is not because they are doing their share, but because they are not industrialized 'n couldn't even pollute the planet if they wanted to.
    But again, TH claims your “reliance is on an unqualified blogger”......that's actually funny, because TH's sources are all 'unqualified'....left-wing sites, such as 'averdadedelula', 'brasilwire', 'carta maior'...and of course, we cannot forget his hundreds of irrelevant quotes, which all PROVE he's right....0% of the time.

    @DT
    Let's presume that fishing there, even with a rod, was 'illegal'....and that the fine should be proportionate to the crime (removing ONE fish from the ocean)....well, the fine (at the exchange rate in 2012) came to US$ 5,800.00 ......and given that the minimum wage was US$ 369.00, how would one of the local fishermen manage pay such a fine “IF” caught by the “vigilant” inspector ? and you can be sure they fish there all the time. Imo, the inspector thought he could wangle a bribe, but his plan backfired.

    “B will have the power to do it, but apparently Temer thought giving the judges a pay rise was a better bet than giving B what he wanted”.

    Afaic, Temer's motive for granting the raise is crystal clear, but B will not have the power to incarcerate him... evidence presented by the AG's office 'n the Feds, to a lower court judge, who might decide to charge him, can.
    B 'could' theoretically 'pardon' Temer, but I 'think' that possibility is kind of remote..

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  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    JB
    I'm clarifying “the liquid that emerges from the millions of faucets in Santiago” is not pure water. But then you are always a little slow on the uptake.
    My sources are bona fide attorneys or journalists not “an unqualified blogger.”

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    TH
    I knew you'd take the bait...but thanks for clarifying what we already knew.....dimwit.

    “bona fide attorneys or journalists” ?...If you think so...dimwit.

    Do you ever intend to reply - honestly - to the 6 questions I asked you a couple of weeks ago ? Just asking.....dimwit.

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    JB
    Do you ever intend too be truthful bozo? We know the answer from at your record.
    http://en. mercopress.com/2018/04/04/brazil-s-conundrum-army-chief-twits-good-citizens-repudiate-impunity-and-respect-the-constitution/comments#comment486481
    http://en. mercopress.com/2017/07/12/brazil-former-president-lula-da-silva-found-guilty-of-corruption/comments#comment470714
    http://en. mercopress.com/2017/07/20/ex-brazilian-president-assets-and-bank-accounts-frozen/comments#comment471145
    http://en. mercopress.com/2018/03/20/lula-begins-tour-of-south-brazil-and-meets-mujica-but-it-was-a-bad-day-for-both-leaders/comments#comment485779
    http://en. mercopress.com/2018/11/22/brazil-s-secret-dealings-to-contract-cuban-physicians-to-work-in-the-more-doctors-program/comments#comment495051

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Actually Guanaco is occasionally slaughtered in Chile for meat, but it's unusual. I was offered some at an asado in Vallenar many years ago. The meat was tough, fibrous and was uninteresting just as Emu meat which I've also tried. (Probably seafood would be my favorite animal protein, but beef is my second favorite.)

    Jack

    I just tried my kitchen faucet and to my surprise shock, water came out! I never knew...


    ...

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    TH
    Post your lies all you want, but repeating them incessantly won't make them true....and I am so scared of what you might “reveal”.....

    As I've said before, I stand by everything I've written, differently to you, who first of all uses other people's words more than your own ; second, you deny having said things you've just written ; third, when you are caught in a mistake because you are an idiot or don't understand Portuguese, you try to wiggle out of it rather unconvincingly, alleging that it is the fault of the author, of the translator, of anyone, but yourself.....the pattern is all too clear; Fourth, you demand everyone prove what they say, even if it's just the expression of their personal opinion ; Fifth, you never prove anything you claim, using irrelevant quotes as if they 'proved' anything ; Sixth, you call everyone a liar when they disagree with you, and you feel it is totally unnecessary to prove any of your fantastic claims....such as 1) “Mourão served in Haiti”, (2) “Cuban doctors are the best in the world”, (3) “Bolsonaro said his wife was 'weak' ” etc, and even when you ARE proved wrong, you aren't man enough to admit you shat out the pot...
    You are a waste of time......dimwit.

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    JB
    “Post your lies all you want” That can't be true otherwise you'd be able to provide proof. The fact you don't speaks volumes.
    “I stand by everything I've written” While I have provided citations that show you are a consummate liar.
    “You deny having said things you've just written” So you boring claim, yet again without any proof, that speaks further volumes.
    The difference between you and I, is like night and day. You simply opine without proof. Whereas, what opinion I hold I show the evidence that that it's based on.
    “Mourão served in Haiti” Which as I showed was produced by a Brazilian. Who had taken it from a poorly written and ambiguous source.
    “Cuban doctors are the best in the world” Was an opinion made by Ban Ki-Moon the then Secretary-General of the UN.
    “Bolsonaro said his wife was 'weak'” If that is what I posted it would be accompanied by the appropriate citation, as is my habit. It's significant that you don't provide the source that refutes what I say. Thus evidence wise your claim is fake
    So once again your opinion carries no weight, without proof.
    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens

    Dec 08th, 2018 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Shockenly, I've come to the conclusion today that Terrence hill might be on to something lucid and relevant. As his great hero, Christopher Hitchens who Terry likes to quote, famously said that “even a broken clock is correct two times a day”.

    (Hitchens also was infamous for fantasizing about having illicit sexual relations with little handicapped children, but I digress...)

    Our friend Terry reminds us how Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was nobly responsible for “lifting over 20 million Brazilians out of poverty” and that Lula was innocent of criminal behavior and sincerely believes his certainly of being elected president was unjustly stolen.

    If you reflect about the data released alone by the IBGE, “Brazil ...suffered its worst-ever recession between 2014 and 2016?” High unemployment with poverty reaching 54.8 million people, with Petrobras in bankruptcy and municipalities unable to fund basic services. All this shows that the criminal politicians instead are guilty of this travesty, NOT innocent Lula. Why, based on the information earlier kindly contributed by both Enrique Massot and Terrence Hill, the real criminals are still free. Is there any social justice in Brazil?

    It must have been a bitter moment for Lula, watching from his prison cell as Bolsonaro was being recognized as the legitimate future president of Brazil by all the world leaders at the G-20. (I now can emphasize why Terry and Enrique feel glum and p*ssed off.)

    Anyway, for compassionately assisting our dear Marxist snowflakes to capture what's happening regarding Globalists being confronted by Nationalists.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKrpTT4rI-hHFn8vHxiTqOLGCFG5cg9KwS5_MHyxZrqBAERM7jwr0pXMbUGy6-2XPjDbc7IIo6-kQChLIXRNEKq1h41-rA&time_continue=531&v=LCwWpENkIwA

    Dec 09th, 2018 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH
    More excuses. “While I have provided citations” says Terry....so ?

    Re “Mourão in Haiti”, if you had gone to the source, Gen Heleno's post on FB, AND IF you were capable of understanding Portuguese, you would've known it was YOU that shat out the pot....but you rushed to post it because you thought you had hit the jackpot and was “so anxious” to rub it in everyone's face...then you blamed the poor “Brazilian” for YOUR screw-up (refer to my reason # 3, third post above...)

    “ “Cuban doctors are the best in the world” Was an opinion made by Ban Ki-Moon the then Secretary-General of the UN ”....So Ban Ki-Moon is infallible ? however, again you crapped out of the pot.....he only expressed 'his' opinion - based on what I don't know - which isn't proof....yet you lapped it up as if it was....gullible twit.

    “ “Bolsonaro said his wife was 'weak'”.....again you thought you had scored big, claiming he had said ”his 'wife' was weak“, and that was because she had given birth to a girl.....even after being shown you were wrong, you insisted....like an idiot, you don't learn from your mistakes.

    Regarding the sources, they are available on the internet....and even YOU Numb Nuts, should be able to find them.
    You see Terry, you are just excuses, fake news, a fart in the wind...

    @Chicureo
    Terry would never consult data from the IBGE....the truth does not interest him. Defending Lula, does. He might even demand you prove the facts you stated above, and if you don't bother because it's totally unnecessary, he will call you a ”fascist“, or worse, a ”consumate liar”.....

    I wonder if Macron is on George Soros' secret payroll ?

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  • Terence Hill

    JB
    “Mourão in Haiti” first asserted by “the poor “Brazilian”. Is a fact, if it was't so, it would be a simple matter for you to reproduce what you blame me for. It's patently obvious that what claim is a lie as you don't. As the asserter you bear the burden of proof not I.
    ”So Ban Ki-Moon is infallible“ He is certainly a lot closer to truth than your unproven and discredited claim that they are not doctors. But, ”unmasked for what they really are, 'glorified nurses“. And ”feldshers'....that's what their 'doctors' are“
    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/11/15/orthodox-liberal-nominated-to-brazil-s-central-bank-roberto-campos-neto/comments#comment494885
    Hmm, Ki-Moon's opinion or your's, thats a no brainer.
    ”wife' was weak..even after being shown you were wrong” You have a remarkable penchant for claiming much and proving nothing. There's a very good reason for that, because no such proof exists.
    So you stick with your discredited opinions, and I'll rely on the facts of the matter.

    Dec 09th, 2018 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    You should carefully listen to our cerebral friend, who I've recently personally learned from him that wine does not flow from my kitchen faucet and surprisingly a large portion of my beloved country is a vast waterless desolate area of land. Both I've confirmed are surprisingly true. You could only imagine my shock! Mr. Terrence Hill is amazing perceptive about our Latin America.

    I don't know if Macron is on George Soros' secret payroll, but his Globalist ideology is certainly being strongly rejected today by European hoi polloi peasants throughout Europe. Most certainly, Soros is the single most destructive leftist demagogue today.

    I'm all for cleaner air, reducing pollution and protecting the environment, but the hysteria about the world about to end due to climate change is ridiculous and the “little people” are starting to suspect the ruse.

    Regarding Cuban doctors, many of the Cuban immigrants arriving here with a medical degree that have applied for a medical accreditation, all have all miserably failed. Apparently their education is far inferior to most of Latin America.

    By the way, have you noticed in the manner Terrence Hill is somewhat effeminate at times?

    Dec 09th, 2018 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
    “Brazil ...suffered its worst-ever recession between 2014 and 2016?” As there is no economist that stated there was any other reason than the commodities market crash. So it doesn't matter what the political stripe of the party in power was, they would have been equally affected.
    It's wonderful to criticise in hind site. You might have some credibility if you could show where a cautionary note had been sounded prior to the crash. But, nobody saw it coming.
    As usual long on wind short on facts, typical reactionary view that your opining is more important than the truth.
    ”Residencies In Family Medicine Have 70% of Vacant Seats“
    https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/scienceandhealth/2018/12/residencies-in-family-medicine-have-70-of-vacant-seats.shtml
    ”The parties that orchestrated Rousseff’s impeachment on the supposed grounds of “fighting corruption” — the PMDB and the PSDB — have themselves been exposed for extreme corruption. But, as Celso Rocha de Barros notes, only Lula’s party, the PT, has been politically decapitated, while the leaders of other parties remain in power in the face of overwhelming evidence. President Michel Temer, of the PMDB, is the most unpopular leader in Brazilian history (and, in fact, in the world) and has faced a slate of serious corruption charges.
    https://theintercept. com/2018/01/24/lula-brazil-corruption-conviction-car-wash/

    Dec 09th, 2018 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Terry,

    How many Cuban doctors practice medicine in Canada? Why don you just Google: “Cuban Doctor medical approval rate for licensing in most developed countries”

    Speaking of a failed national economy, its just a undeniable fact when you examine how the country was repeatedly raped and plundered during the Brazilian governmental administration controlled by the Partido dos Trabalhadores. It was definitely not because of low commodity and petroleum prices. Google the price of soya, corn, sugar, beef, petroleum during the past 20 years.

    As I said earlier, Lula personally controlled the ruling political party through his surrogates to the point of nearly bankrupting the national treasury and brought misery to the poverty stricken.

    The Brazilian leftist political elite are experiencing what it was like in Pompeii when the lava fell from the sky and the Globalist political elites couldn’t separate themselves from their slaves in the commonality as Bolsonaro's Nationalist agenda is soon ready to ominously fall upon them.

    Thankfully, today the evil Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is rotting in prison.

    Dec 09th, 2018 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the prize troll“
    ”Speaking of a...“ Brazil did't get to dictate what the commodity prices would be. They are based entirely on the free market exchanges of supply and demand. ”The country was repeatedly raped and plundered“ so you opine, but fail to reveal any proof. Again, there was not one major economist that faulted the government of the day for the 'commodities crash'. In fact the consensus was to do as little, and let the market correct itself.
    All you do is blah, blah, your personal animus. Without any evidence to support your rancour.
    ”Cuban Doctor medical approval rate ..“ I'll let their record speak for itself, along with those endorsements of the UN and WHO.
    According to Ban Ki-moon, Secretary General of the UN, ELAM is “the world’s most advanced medical school.”
    https://www. huffingtonpost.com/salim-lamrani/cubas-health-care-system-_b_5649968.html
    ”announcement from the World Health Organization (WHO) this week: Cuba has become the first nation in the world to eliminate the transmission of HIV and syphilis from pregnant mothers to their children. The organization called it “one of the greatest public health achievements possible” and “an important step towards having an AIDS-free generation.”
    https://www. fastcompany.com/3048147/cuba-proves-once-again-it-has-one-of-the-best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world
    “As the first nation to dedicate hundreds of health care workers to West Africa, Cuba is an unlikely hero in the Ebola outbreak...“Cuba is world-famous for its ability to train outstanding doctors and nurses,” said WHO director Margaret Chan in a Sept. press conference ”
    http://time.com/3556670/ebola-cuba/
    “Time magazine has selected the Ebola fighters, who have fought to contain the Ebola outbreak, as its 2014 Person of the Year. Cuba, the first ...”
    http://time.com/3556670/ebola-cuba/dpress. com/2014/12/10/time-magazines-2014-person-of-the-year-ebola-fighters/

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    https://www.topuniversities.com

    Look up for yourself medical universities by country and ranking.
    (You can cry yourself all you want after you see the truth.)

    Regarding my earlier observation, many of the Cuban immigrants arriving here with a medical degree that have applied for a medical accreditation, all have all miserably failed. Apparently their education is far inferior to most of Latin America.

    The truth hurts, doesn't it?

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the prize troll“
    ”Look up for yourself...“ I am completely aware of their standings. But, mere academic niceties in no way diminish the experts in world health combating ebola, producing a way to prevent HIV and syphilis being passed from mother to child. Such as the Secretary General of UN and the director of the WHO opinions. After all they could be described as top guns being on the ground dealing with these issues. “Those who can do, those who can't teach.” George Bernard Shaw
    ”Regarding my earlier observation..” An empty assertion devoid of proof, I'll give it the weight it deserves.

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    Tried to post this in the morning but the Internet was dodgy.

    It's possible the inspector wanted a bribe, but then I'm surprised they didn’t drop it when B appealed.

    And yeah, B doesn't have the power to throw Temer in jail, but he could pardon him or give him a position with immunity like Ambassador to Italy. Presumably B would not promise him anything, so Temer sided with the judges.

    @Chicureo
    We're in Chile now. It's so beautiful, the kind of views I've seen in pictures and didn't really believe were real. The roads are bad though; the door fell off our hire car on the way through the park.

    Re the little people, I remember how much people here derided Argentine nationalism, and can only imagine the reaction if they rioted over the massive fuel price increases. None of them supported our miners when Thatcher closed the pits. Yet you care so much about the American and French workers? What's the difference?

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo aka “the prize troll“
    ”Globalist political elites..“ ”Donald Trump keeps calling adversaries “globalists,” despite warnings it's anti-Semitic“
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-anti-semitic-globalist-koch-1052375
    While you obviously are not aware of Trump's history and beliefs.
    ”Trump's grandfather was a pimp and tax evader; his father a member of the KKK
    As they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree; Donald Trump's racism can easily be traced through his lineage.”
    http://ahtribune. com/us/2016-election/242-trump-grandfather-pimp-father-kkk.html
    “PBS and The Huffington Post have uncovered video evidence of Donald Trump’s long-held beliefs that he (and people like him) are genetically superior:
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-anti-semitic-globalist-koch-1052375

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    You are in my country? Fantastic! Great weather currently in all the regions.
    Where by chance are you now and what's your itinerary?

    Cheers!

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @Chicureo
    Terry's reply, rgdng the causes of Brazil's worst recession (btwn 2014/16), “ As there is no economist that stated there was any other reason than the commodities market crash”, proves he's an ignoramus.
    His pathetic statement, meant to distract readers from the true cause of the crisis, is totally wrong. Any economist knows damned well the cause of the crisis & the end of the commodity boom have a very distant, and weak, connection. While the boom endured, plentiful revenue covered up the malfeasance. When it started to fall, the PT's incompetence 'n corruption became visible. Dilma was unable to keep it covered, so she fudged the govt's financial indices, used funds not legally available to her, in the futile attempt to hide the deficit - just long enough to be re-elected - but it backfired.

    The idiot goes on to say “It's wonderful to criticise in hind site”...what a genius..........and his
    “nobody saw it coming”, another lie. Was he here at the time ? Many did see it coming, including myself, even before Dumbass Dilma was re-elected. And with hindsight, everyone - excluding Terry, of course - is fully aware of the exact cause, so perhaps we should congratulate the PT for fcuking things up.

    The idiot complains only the PT has been “decapitated”...if he weren't so bloody ignorant he'd know that a lie...but he needs to believe it, in order to continue motivated to defend Lula. Even Celso R. Barros, the journalist TH cites, now says Lula is a crook who fooled everyone.

    Despite all the proof that the Cuban doctors are no more than 'feldshers', that ELAM is a 3rd rate medical school, he keeps on defending them. In fact I gave Terry a list of the top 10 medical schools in the world, and also told him that ELAM doesn’t even figure in the first 500…did it sink into his thick skull ? No.

    @DT
    Once a fine has been given, the process must run its course, right to the end.
    The lower courts will take care of Temer, and he'll get no sympathy from B.

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    JB
    “nobody saw it coming”, another lie.” So you claim, funny how your unable to ever provide evidence. Which incidentally supports your claim as being completely untrue. I don't have to provide anything.
    “he keeps on defending them.” Not at all I just provide to evidence to show all you claim is bogus. It's wonderful revealing the real you.
    I have so little to do since you provide all evidence against yourself.

    Dec 10th, 2018 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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