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Bolsonaro caught red handed involved in fake news
Brazil’s bar association and top investigative journalism group Abraji blasted far-right President Jair Bolsonaro on Monday for his latest Twitter attack on the press. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhere are Chicureo and Jack Bauer when we need 'm?
Mar 12th, 2019 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need our Chilean spokesperson and ultimate expert Jack to set the facts straight.
Of course, nobody may even imagine that a man of his moral stature would even consider lying to people.
How was it, Chicureo? “
”Brasil acima de tudo, Deus acima de...”
EM
Mar 12th, 2019 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reekie,
you called for me ? here I am...I don't hide when the going gets hot....like some Argy posters who hide out in Canada, do.
The headline, saying Bolsonaro was INVOLVED in fake news, is BULL SH*T.......more like he was involuntarily caught up in it.....before he knew it was fake.....but that has never stopped the press from spouting it's biased BS. Which YOU believe.
To cut a long story short, by what I've read (not too much, as BS does not interest me), Bolsonaro reacted to an interview supposedly granted to a journalist from a French site “Mediapart”...yes, but he was fooled....Any subscriber to Mediapart can have a blog in the site, and the interview in question was published by one of these subscibers to Mediapart, which has the fantastic number of 5 (five) bloggers...a really important and reliable source of information, eh Reekie ???
Just pure BS....but true to your left-wing orientation, you jumped on the bandwagon to criticize Bolsonaro...
Bolsonaro's problem was that he reacted to BS before he knew it was.
“...speaking in halting English, made clear she said the corruption investigation into Flavio could create serious problems for the Bolsonaro government and possibly lead to his impeachment.”
More like wishful thinking than anything else.....regarding the possibility of Bolsonaro being impeached due to his son's suspected irregular financial movement (COAF) - but not yet proved - is more crap......what his son might, or might not be involved in, has no connection with his father, and is therefore not an impeachable offense.
Reekie, you should really consult reliable sources.....you, once again, are acting like Terry the slimy, albino cockroach.....not a good sign......for you.
“Informação confiável acima de tudo, inclusive dos idiotas que nem sabem o que é isso”
Just a quick note....seems Marielle's (and her driver's) assassins were from the 'militia'....as I said, and the idiots on here questioned me........sorry, idiots.
“Reekie, you should really consult reliable sources”
Mar 13th, 2019 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0So should your President. What's he doing reading some dodgy French 'news' site, let alone repeating it to the world without checking? You said you try to confirm news to see if it's true, why do you expect less from the guy running the country? I sure hope he has a more rigorous standard of evidence when he's making decisions that affect everyone in Brazil.
A verdade acima de tudo.
@Enrique Massot /@DemonTree /@Jack Bauer
Mar 13th, 2019 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's anybody's guess that Brazil will be fortunate to have either a religious leader [clergy/bishop/etc] or a criminal [hard-boiled] as a president or maybe he could also be a religious leader AND a criminal rolled into one President.
Is this prophecy, the prediction going to be a reality sooner than expected PLUS demanded by the masses?
#1º:
https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2019/01/23/there-is-nothing-new-about-the-relationship-between-the-bolsonaros-and-militiamen/
#2º:
https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2019/01/23/there-is-nothing-new-about-the-relationship-between-the-bolsonaros-and-militiamen/
:o)) Enrique Massot DemonTree Jack Bauer
Mar 13th, 2019 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although I'm sad I've missed the earlier opportunity to comment, but I've been busy with a complicated UAV problem on the farm. My thoughts here are with the sad situation in Venezuela.
Bolsonaro made a minor mistake and he certainly not going to be impeached about it. The liberal left is quick to zealously scandalize the President and joyously celebrate their hate for anything religiously related.
...I can only imagine how some of your liberal heads will explode when Bolsonaro meets with Trump...
“Ordem e Progresso” - “Brasil acima de tudo, Deus acima de todos.” If you want to deny that a God exists, that's perfectly fine with me, but to belittle those who do is beneath you.
DT
Mar 13th, 2019 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”So should your President (consult reliable sources) . What's he doing reading some dodgy French 'news' site......“
I can't disagree with you, as I think his 'team' should be more careful before repeating crap and starting a stupid polemic. And I also agree that his use of twitter as a form of communication is not a good idea. Fact is I don't expect less from him, I expect more....I hope that after these few, totally avoidable self-inflicted injuries, he will realize that sitting in the president's chair, requires a bit more ponderation.
But my point - again - is that had such a declaration been made by Lula - the press would probably have applauded....as the fact is, the Brazilian press is going all out to show their anger at the PT having lost the election....no more 'easy' money. Proof of this is that the great ”TV Globo” is sacking quite a few of it's highly paid journalists and 'novela' actors/actresses. The Times They are A-Changin'....
Ah, and before I forget, 'where is Reekie when we need 'im ? '
@JB
Mar 13th, 2019 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's fair. “Too many tweets can make a tw*t,” as our former PM got in trouble for saying. I think B hasn't realised fully that what is acceptable for a Deputy is not for a President. Posting off the cuff and stirring up outrage was all very well before, but now he not only reaches a *much* wider audience, but as Head of State, he's supposed to be representing Brazil in some sense.
It doesn't stop Trump, of course, but IMO although B's views are more extreme, he shows a greater inclination to listen to advice (a good thing). Whether he changes probably depends on if his tweets start hurting him at the polls.
If the press is unhappy the PT lost, they should have done more to help them win. Perhaps they wanted someone like Meirelles, but it's a bit late for regret now. Nevertheless, sacking journalists isn't great if you want Brazilians to be well informed.
What kind of inappropriate things did Lula say as President?
@Chicureo
If the CIA/Guaido did cause the blackout in VZ, they are directly responsible for the deaths of a few dozen people (so far).
“to belittle those who do is beneath you”
Like who? Can't imagine either Bolsonaro or Trump is religious. If the latter isn't an atheist I'll eat my hat.
@DemonTree
Mar 13th, 2019 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “.........................................................I'll eat my hat”:
Please save it for a really Rainy Day!
Trump x Bolso or Trump = Bolso?
FROM: Bloomberg:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/trump-administration-conflicts/
Trump x Bolso = Trolso. Don't feed the trolls!
Mar 13th, 2019 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Trump-e-Bolsonaro-Educacao-Sexual.jpg
@DemonTree
Mar 14th, 2019 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Honeymoon OR Rape?
REF: Bloomberg [earlier/above]:
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REF: Sexual Education in the Business-Room:
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Ouch. That kind of thing can also be a consequence of choosing Odebrecht as a contractor...
Mar 14th, 2019 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@DemonTree
Mar 14th, 2019 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “Odebrecht as a contractor”
REF: Trump/Bolso
As a wild guess/hypothesis by the STD of the most gullible, the most optimistic, the most ignorant, and the most brainwashed: They BOTH are the most efficient, the most serious & the most devoted patriots; who want nothing else that Making THEIR countries GREAT AGAIN!
Let the “novelas” unfold!
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DT
Mar 14th, 2019 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, the Press did attack Bolsonaro during the campaign....but people weren't buying the PT sh*t anymore.
“What kind of inappropriate things did Lula say as President?”
In his first term, he tried to kick Glen Greenwald out of Brazil because of a report about his heavy drinking habit, and getting drunk....posted photos of Lula completely wasted.....he tried to gag the press on several occasions, to pass legislation which would create an official press agency with powers to censor or limit freedom of expression ; it didn't pass, but the press conveniently ignores these facts - because they are 'old' - but they remember what Bolsonaro might have said in Congress, 10 or 20 years ago.
Why the double-standard ? (just a rhetorical question......).
During an election campaign, Lula was caught on tape telling a rookie politician from Pelotas, RS, that his town was an exporter of homosexuals, and laughed towards the camera....
While Dilma was still president, and he was under investigation, he said the STF judges were a bunch of cowards and the court should be shut down....no one blinked an eyelid.
Last July, Eduardo Bolsonaro joked at a closed lecture, that all it would take was “a soldier and a corporal to shut down the STF”....and what happened ?? Scandal !!!
Back then, under the PT, the press was happy ($$$), so why rock the boat ?
Just fyi, the Globo journalists targeted first were those who had a more independent line of reporting....Globo has known to do this before....Ricardo Boechat, who died recently in a helicopter accident, was sacked a few years ago because he had the guts to tell things as they were...which obviously, and although true, Globo directors, sucking up to Lula, didn't like.
You'd have to live here to see and understand the 'before' and 'after' , and the things which the press never used to pick on, are today's 'specials'....
Jfyi, unable reply to yr last post under “Guaido calls for mass protests”.....space pls ?
@JB
Mar 14th, 2019 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“he tried to gag the press on several occasions, to pass legislation which would create an official press agency with powers to censor or limit freedom of expression”
What did the press say at the time? I'm guessing they weren't enthusiastic.
“Lula was caught on tape telling a rookie politician from Pelotas, RS, that his town was an exporter of homosexuals”
Doesn't particularly surprise me, but why Pelotas?
“he said the STF judges were a bunch of cowards and the court should be shut down”
I think you mentioned that before. I googled, and I found a wiretap where he called them cowardly, but not where he said it should be shut down?
Re Globo journalists, that makes it even worse. I seriously doubt they wanted B to win, but I think they did their bit to enable it with the way they reported on LJ etc. But anyway, people didn't want to elect the parties that had been in power in the last 20 years, because they knew what they were all up to. As for Mercopress, it's safe to say the editor is not a fan of B. Compare this headline to the ones about 'business friendly' Macri.
DT
Mar 14th, 2019 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The press was not happy. Besides widespread complaints from society in general, looks like its lobby in Congress succeeded in blocking Lula's intentions.
Re Pelotas, folklore has it that there are lots of poofters down there. Like San Francisco, CA, and Providence, MA / USA.
Wadih Damous, a radical PT Congressman (Rio) and one of Lula's lawyers, commenting on his imprisonment (April 2018), posted a video in which he fiercly attacks one of the judges and says textually “the STF has to be shut down”....and what happened ? absolutely nothing !
Reporting on the L J was pretty straightforward, keeping to the facts, which were divulged as the task force released them....neither in favour of, or against anyone.
By 2018, enough people were beginning to see through the PT, that it was responsible for the crisis....and decided that another PT government would be suicidal.
Lula's 'caravans' to several parts of Brazil (end 2017) were dismal failures...they no longer attracted big crowds ....if not for the 5,000 odd MST and union members, who followed him around like puppy dogs, being transported in buses hired by the PT, to make up numbers, practically no one thought it was worthwhile.
MP, besides some pretty lousy translations at times, is not exactly impartial....the headline of this thread - “B is caught red-handed” - is either deliberately misleading or the result of incompetence...or, probably both.
No room for “Guaidó”....
REF: THE HEADING:
Mar 14th, 2019 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Bolsonaro caught red handed involved in fake news”:
What a coincidence!
His deity, the not-so-honorable D.T. also appear to have a very SIMILAR incurable disease! Many must be wondering, what'd happen on the 19th high when they finally sleep together for the first (?) time!
https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Trump-e-Bolsonaro.png?resize=580%2C396&ssl=1
“looks like its lobby in Congress succeeded in blocking Lula's intentions.”
Mar 14th, 2019 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to hear the press in Brazil isn't completely spineless.
Re Pelotas, Lula's got it backwards. Gay people don't come from San Francisco etc. If you're gay and grow up in some miserable nowhere town, you move to a place where people are more open minded and there is actually someone to date.
“Wadih Damous...”
So it wasn't Lula who said it? Which judge did he attack? As for the LJ reporting, it was the fact it focused so much on Lula that I thought was biased, when many, many others were implicated. Same as you think about the reporting on Flavio B today, when there are many other politicians who have done bigger/more suspicious things.
“MP, besides some pretty lousy translations at times, is not exactly impartial”
The (mis)translations are amusing, but yeah, MP is not impartial. However, I'd say it's pretty clearly biased against Lula's ally CFK, and definitely not pro-Lula. But the headline of this article is obviously intended to make B look bad.
Re Guaidó, when I need space I just insult Terry. He can't resist replying, it's funny as well as convenient.
@ :o))
Trump is a lot more advanced in fake news than Bolsonaro, I'm sure the latter will have a lot to learn. I wish they had different initials though, it's disconcerting!
@DemonTree
Mar 15th, 2019 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: tRump is more advanced in fake news than Bolsonaro
True! He takes the cake! Afterall, he is the king of the Reality-Shows and that's why, he is THE DEITY of Bolso; as I mentioned above!
A fact still remains that in spite of his theatrics; many americans aren't buying anymore what The Loudmouth is eager to sell. PLUS many more are getting converted from being brainwashed ignorants into a wiser variety [which, happening in Brazil, is just UNTHINKABLE!]
Having said that; I stand by my predictions that:
- One day Brazil'll have a thorough crook or a [supposed to be] religious leader (or the 2 rolled into 1) as a President
- Population deserves the leaders they elect
- And I too WILL EAT MY HAT if I will be wrong:
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DT
Mar 15th, 2019 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The press may not be spineless, which does not mean it doesn't bow to those who treat it nicely ($$$).
Not sure about yr 'gay' theory, but Lula got away with it because he was “popular”, and was an ignorant “man of the people”. (Funny how concepts can be different)
Damous attacked Barroso, probably one of the more centered, impartial judges...reason why the PT hates him. The L J focused on Lula because he was the centre-figure, considered the 'capo di tutti capi'...
Reporting on the ALERJ 'n Flavio B has lost all credibility....the press purposely ignores the others who committed far more serious crimes...where was the COAF during the 14 years of PT, during the time Cabral was governor of Rio ? not a word.
Rio was bankrupted by bad government and rampant corruption, yet the COAF had nothing to say about it until 2019 ?
Re headlines intended to mislead, was watching the news on yday's massacre in NZ (in 2 mosques) - Globo described the perpetrators as belonging to far-right “hate-groups”...ok, that they are, but why are islamic terrorists - which too, belong to hate groups (IS, Al Quaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Shabah etc) - are just described as 'extremists'....is that the perception the press really has of each extreme, or are they biased ? (programmed to go easy on one side while it attacks the other ).
Turkey, Pakistan etc, rush to condemn islamophobia...why are they so surprised at such a reaction after 30 years of islamic terrorist attacks ?
Yep, that's all Gollum is good for - he always sucks, erhh, I mean, bites.
Still have room, so I can comment briefly on the STF's decision to separate the courts to which 'caixa 2' (illegal election contributions), and plain bribery /corruption (which both have the same objective) will be sent....the PT 'n Congress' lobby within the STF has managed to get the cases separated, which means that all 'campaign bribery' trials will be under the jurisdiction of the electoral court...not a good omen for Justice.
Brazil seems pretty homophobic in general. But anyway, I don't insist on politicians sharing all my views, as long as they are happy to let people decide for themselves and not inflict their religion or political dogma on everyone. But it seems more and more common for people on the left (who I in general agree with) to object to anyone thinking differently about stuff like this, even if it's just a personal opinion. It worries me. It's unhealthy not to allow different ideas and to put so much emphasis on ideological purity.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The L J focused on Lula because he was the centre-figure”
From what I can see, he really wasn't. He left the dodgy deals to other people exactly so he could claim his hands were clean. But he was the biggest name and one of the few not protected by parliamentary immunity.
“where was the COAF during the 14 years of PT”
Well, where were they? Did they change anything recently in terms of what sort of transactions must be reported, or their powers or investigation? Did the COAF investigate before but it didn't make the news, or were they effectively useless?
I don't understand what your objection is about the terrorist(s) in NZ. What do you want the papers to call them? And does it really make any difference? They kill just as many people however they're described.
Re Caixa 2, which STF judges voted to separate them? I'd like to compare it to the vote on Lula's HC.
REF: Caixa 2
Mar 15th, 2019 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody believed when I mentioned that Brazil is slowly, gradually + surely on its way to LEGALIZE corruption!
Watch the loopholes getting bigger - gaping wide!
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DT
Mar 16th, 2019 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deep down, Brazilians are conservative in their customs....accepting the LGBT crowd is a slow process, and not easily absorbed by the average Brazilian. It's the same with the 'machismo', which causes many men to kill their partners or ex-partners because they think they are their “property”...however, the same “macho” is not above trying to seduce another man's wife...............Pure ignorance, lack of morals, typical of subdeveloped societies.
When I said Lula was the centre-figure, I was saying - as you have understood - he was the boss, and did leave the dirty operations to others. This gave him pausible deniabilty...his eternal excuse : “I know nothing”....reason why 'nothing' is in his name.
“Well, where were they?” (the COAF during the 14 years of PT)
Where they've always been I suppose, but the agency was full of 'petistas'......so they turned a blind eye to the suspicious or irregular financial movement. Can't really remember any investigation by them which made headlines...perhaps we should believe that there was no dishonesty in Brazil before 2019 ?
The COAF was established by FHC in 1998, with the objective of identifying irregular or suspicious money movement, money laundering, and hidden assets etc.
Temer may have cleaned the agency up slightly, I don't know....but in any case, whether the same staff, or renewed, seems they only started paying attention in 2019....selecting their targets should not be political.
On the NZ massacre, let me be clear, I'm against any type of terrorist act....but just found it strange that the press (here in Brazil) would emphatically describe far-right, and Islamic terrorists, differently....why not just terrorists ? my observation only referred to the (rather obvious) distinction made by the local press.
Re the STF separation of Caixa 2 investigations - similar vote to those in favour of Lula's HC :Lewandowski, Toffoli, Marco Aurelio, Celso de Mello, Morais, Gilmar Mendes.
Smells politically motivated.
“however, the same “macho” is not above trying to seduce another man's wife”
Mar 17th, 2019 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Charming. It probably is all related. People suck.
If COAF is finally doing their job properly, that's a good thing, right? Assuming they really are investigating everyone with suspicious transactions, and it's the press that are focusing on Flavio. And on that subject, is anything happening with the other politicians who were accused of corruption earlier? Temer, for example?
Re the Caixa 2, it is indeed the same judges, plus Morais who was the one appointed by Temer. Illegal campaign contributions must be so universal it would affect almost all the parties in Congress, but what reason/excuse did they give for separating them?
And on NZ, I'm not sure I've even seen the killer called a terrorist, though he obviously is. Think we should bring back the death penalty for mass murderers like him and Breivik? They were caught in the act so there's no doubt they did it, and they can never be let out of jail anyway.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Mar 17th, 2019 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, that's all JB is good for - he always lies.
“We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech.” Cicero
“Ad hominem is an argument of the weak and insecure.” Maleiha Bajunaid Candao
“But let him believe his own lies” No proof no truth. Whereas you are a confirmed proven liar.
https://en.mercopress.com/2019/03/13/activist-murder-arrested-suspects-have-coincidental-links-with-president-bolsonaro/comments#comment498904
@Jack Bauer
Mar 17th, 2019 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: STF separation of Caixa 2 investigations: similar vote to those in favour of Lula's HC: Lewandowski, Toffoli, Marco Aurelio, Celso de Mello, Morais, Gilmar Mendes
Pl. in-between the lines - whatever is NOT written!
1º: Lulla,Lewandowski,Toffoli,Marco Aurelio,Celso d Mello, Morais,Gilmar Mendes + a host of others who form a vast majority; not only are the suspected crooks but also are nothing but parasites; living at the costs of the others/population!
2º: NO matter who justifies & how; Caixa 2 = BRIBES!
3º: The MAIN culprit is the brainwashed ignorant majority of the population which ensures that these crooks always get elected/re-elected!
Nobody needs to celebrate the imprisonment of the crooks because they [the crooks] are not exactly “suffering” behind bars! On the Other hand:
- Whoever are behind bars; are they the same crooks or are they the “doubles” [spitting-image] of the real accused?
- If they really are imprisoned and are suffering unbearably; how come are they so eager to shut their traps; instead of confessing the crimes - theirs & of the others?
- Why don't they return a major part of their loot to be free; instead of remaining behind the bars + claim innocence?
- Why NOBODY is interested in making it mandatory for these crooks to return the stolen wealth; instead of spending more Public-Funds to keep these crooks behind bars?
Do you still believe that:
- the investigations are not at all a farce?
- “they” not at all are bent upon legalizing corruption?
DT
Mar 18th, 2019 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If COAF is finally doing its job properly, that's a good thing, right?” ; Yes, but a bad thing that they only woke up in 2019.
The press is focusing on Flavio because its focused on trying to embarass the govt....it isn't being impartial.
“ is anything happening with other politicians who were accused of corruption earlier?”
That's what I mentioned in my post, above.. with the STF having voted (6 x 5) to send cases involving caixa 2, money laudering 'n corruption, to Electoral Justice, 'n the notorious fact it is not familiar with the subtleties of money laundering & corruption, in effect means that the politicians found guilty - if ever judged - might get a rap on the knuckles, and a fine, but willl get away with the money laundering 'n corruption charges ...to me, this was engineered by Renan Calheiros (ex prez of the Senate and his cronies) and the PT block in the STF. So Temer might get off.
But people are not taking this lying down...there was a protest against the STF on the Av. Paulista yday, not only because of the above attempt to hamper Justice, but because they are also in the process of literally outlawing any type of criticism against themselves....they are in effect, putting themselves above the Law. Let's see what happens.
The reasons given are just a load of BS...their 'interpretation', of the Law...and claiming categorically that the Electoral Court, which has never ruled on corruption, far less sent any politicians to jail, is perfectly capable of doing its job.
Re the NZ massacre, yes I believe the death penalty should be applied in these cases. Why pay a fortune to keep these guys alive ?
@:o))
“... the investigations are not at all a farce?”....No, don't think the investigations are...to me the Constitution and many of the Laws are a farce...just consider who wrote them....the lawyers in Congress. They'll never write anything that'll screw themselves.
“ “they” not at all are bent upon legalizing corruption?” Sure I do.
@Jack Bauer
Mar 19th, 2019 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0100% True, without any doubt!
That's why I'd mention that the loopholes are already wide and are still getting wider; firstly to encourage the stealing of public funds and secondly to escape the charges of stealing; much more easily!
That's = Legalizing Corruption [A WAY OF LIFE?]!
@JB
Mar 19th, 2019 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm. So after seeing Lula get put away, only now the PT act? Wouldn't they want to see Temer and other politicians get screwed over too? Doesn't make too much sense.
Glad to hear people are protesting, though. Outlawing criticism, how can that be allowed by the constitution?
Re NZ massacre, don't know what I think about the death penalty. The killer deserves it, but on balance I think I'd rather not see it legalised due to other issues. Is there any way to stop these terrorists before they attack? No one seems to take the risk seriously, until afterwards.
DT
Mar 19th, 2019 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hmmm” ? not exactly - b4 Morais was appointed to the STF, was unlikely his predecessor, T. Zavaski, would've voted in favor of Lula's HC ; Morais (Alckmin's ex-Secretary of Public Security, 'n Temer's choice, seems to be more aligned with the PMDB (& PT) 'n his own belly button, than with Justice.
You cannot discard the fact that Lula's crimes were unique in the current role of crimes being denounced/judged, the timing is different, the priorities of some STF judges are becoming more evident as time passes, 'n not for the better, so you can't make a simple comparison of before 'n after as if the variables were the same. What's happening now, has nothing to do with Lula's conviction ; I think that some, having lost their super-powers in Congress, are in cahoots with some STF judges, to save their arses, 'n do what is convenient for them (respectively). One hand washes the other, as I've always thought that some STF judges are corrupt.
Anyway, at the time Lula was convicted, even certain members of the PT (the less radical) were not inclined to stick their necks out for him.... the day politics follows “apparent” logic, (in a consistent fashion) will be the day.....the forces that be (behind the scenes) are always changing position, depending on the most advantageous at the time....(obviously excludes the radicals, who are quite predictable).
“Outlawing criticism”....the STF's internal regiment (clause 43) states that the judges cannot be criticized, or 'embarrassed' within the Court premises....but the prez of the court (Tofolli), along with a few others (mentioned above) are twisting the 'spirit' of the clause to comprehend 'national territory' in view of “their” interpretation that since their decisions affect the whole of Brazil, their internal regiment should too. It stinks.
Re NZ, that's abt it...people are either naive, reluctant to speak up, or afraid of being accused of undue interference. Denouncing strange behaviour might go a long way.
I suppose Morais was the only one who actually changed his vote. The other 5 would have let Lula off as well as everyone else, but Morais voted to send Lula to jail, while helping the President who appointed him (and a lot of other people) stay out. But if the judges appointed by Lula are loyal to the PT, why are they helping politicians from other parties? Are there a lot of other PT members among the accused?
Mar 19th, 2019 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't see what was unique about Lula's crimes. Others have been charged and even convicted for taking bigger bribes. And the actions of judges and congressmen must follow some logic, even if it's not obvious.
”but the prez of the court (Tofolli), along with a few others (mentioned above) are twisting the 'spirit' of the clause to comprehend 'national territory'”
Sounds dodgy as hell, i hope they don't get away with it. No one should be above criticism.
As for the terrorists, you can't arrest everyone with extremist views, whether right-wing or Islamist or anything else. Or do you think they can? I guess Brazil tried to do it with the communists...
DT
Mar 19th, 2019 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Morais has been a real deception, but not surprising considering his apparent sympathy for the left, and not to mention the chance to make a quick buck.
“...why are they helping politicians from other parties?” at times the proof is too overwhelming to not convict....but when there is room to manouevre and get away with it, either due to political convictions, or to bribes, that's when you see stuff that doesnt make sense with what we, on the outside, are seeing or are told. As I said, what goes on behind the scenes doesn't always become public.
Of course you can't arrest people just because of their opinions, but when individuals step over the line, make threats, act strangely or suspiciously they should be closely monitored....the Australian was conspicuous, yet he went to NZ, bought weapons, and no red flags went up....even then unfortunately, there's no guarantee he'd be caught in time.
Many times, the authorities just choose to ignore the signs, couldn't be bothered.
One of the things I mentioned earlier, and which is part of the same omission by police authoritiesis, is the ridiculous amount of women killed by their partners or ex-partners....in most cases, even when women go to the police to denounce getting beaten - they are attended by male cops, who act as if the women are exaggerating ; and there aren't anywhere near enough Precincts where women attend the victims - the most they can hope for is a restraining order, which in practise has little or no effect. Many are killed a few days later. Only when a woman actually survives a severe beating is the man arrested /prosecuted.
Brazil is pretty lenient with its criminals, even with the commies....who you think were persecuted during the military regime ONLY because of their views. Not exactly ....don't take all the leftist shit written by people who weren't even born at the time, as the Gospel truth. Sh*t happened, but wasn't provoked by innocent people just tending to their business.
Suppose we shouldn't be surprised that Temer would choose a judge he could rely on to protect him, when there were already corruption prosecutions going on all around him. But why do you say Morais has sympathy for the left? If he did, he would have voted in favour of Lula's HC, not against it. This latest decision, in contrast, will protect politicians from across the political spectrum.
Mar 19th, 2019 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did the NZ killer do anything really suspicious? I don't believe the authorities would ever 'not be bothered', but I bet the police/intelligence services in NZ are not as prepared/suspicious as here. They haven't suffered the amount of attacks the UK and Europe have (which in some ways makes it worse that they have been drawn into the violence).
“in most cases, even when women go to the police to denounce getting beaten - they are attended by male cops, who act as if the women are exaggerating”
I can easily believe that. Even here it seems police don't take problems seriously until someone is killed, whether it's domestic violence or stalking. And in the US a guy was actually sent to jail for threatening to kill his ex-wife on Facebook, (in gory detail) and he's appealing claiming it's free speech. Ridiculous.
Re the 'commies', during the dictatorship the police didn't only arrest people for violent crimes, but also for arranging strikes, protests etc. That's not 'just for their views', but it is for things not usually considered crimes.
You mean the carnival [circus] is over - ALREADY?
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Mar 21st, 2019 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Temer's been arrested on charges of bribery in govt contracts. The noose is tightening, but I'm sure he'll call on Morais, or G.Mendes to give him an HC....
Listening to Morais' justifications for voting in one way or the other, between the lines you can see a certain 'cooperation' with many politicians accused in the LJ , who still have immunity regarding acts practised during their current terms, and of which most are left-wing.....he seems to take a very light view of their crimes, as if the L J prosecutors are just a bunch of hypocrits who are out to get a bunch of honest and honourable people....if you were here, you'd might / probably feel the same way. The positions several judges adopt in certain cases are strange, not at all in line with 'justice' or previous decisions, making you wonder what their intentions are.
Seems the NZ killer had travelled a lot to Turkey, Bulgaria, Romenia and Hungary, without any 'apparent' reason, and these countries are now checking who his connections might have been...
In one of the most recent murders of a woman by her husband, neighbors heard the fight, the woman screaming, 'n called the police several times...they took 2 hours to arrive - alleging they were occupied elsewhere - the women was killed one hour after the first calls...the Colonel who was later interviewd, had the nerve to say that fights between couples are a family matter, and added thet he saw to reason to take the calls all that seriously.
Arranging strikes (to create problems for govt), protesting and inciting people to violence, is not exactly 'just' having a different point of view.......putting those views in to action is what lead to their detention etc...
It's pretty obvious that during a military regime, it is unwise to go out of your way to confront or be hostile to government.....none of those who got screwed were poor, innocent people just minding their business. They went one step further, and one too many.
I saw Temer had been arrested. Jair B never did give him that ambassadorship :D I wonder if there's a record for most ex-Presidents in jail at once?
Mar 21st, 2019 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re Morais's justifications, do you consider the PMDB and PSDB to be left wing? Or do you only mean PT and allies? (PSOL, PCdoB, who else?) Wikipedia says Morais was a politician as well as lawyer in his previous career, maybe he has good reasons to want leniency for people like him...
Not sure what you mean by I might feel the same way. I might agree with Morais, or I might agree with you about how he's acting?
“making you wonder what their intentions are”
Assume that your wondering is in the same direction as mine - bribes or helping out friends/allies.
Re the NZ killer, except for maybe Turkey, those countries probably wouldn't flag up warnings. If he had gone to Syria or Iraq, then he might have got on a watch list. I imagine they will be checking in future, but there's no way to catch every nutter who wants to kill people.
“added thet he saw to reason to take the calls all that seriously.”
Doesn't take murder seriously! It's not a wonder it happens so often, he should be fired for not doing his job.
“Arranging strikes [...] is not exactly 'just' having a different point of view”
I said as much, but it's not a crime either (inciting to violence, yes, but there were peaceful protests too.
Agree it's unwise to confront a military regime, but if people don't then nothing ever changes. No people got rights and democracy by minding their own business. Besides, even if a person does something unwise like going into the favela and getting shot, it's still a crime and the killer should still go to jail if caught, no?
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