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Ex cabinet minister proposes Gibraltar and Falklands should have elected MPs to Parliament after Brexit
A former Cabinet Office minister said British overseas territories such as Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands should be able to elect MPs to Parliament after Brexit. John Penrose wants the 14 overseas territories, which include the renowned tax-havens the British Virgin Islands and the Cayman Islands, to be able to negotiate devolution arrangements similar to that enjoyed by all four countries within the UK, and also elect MPs to Westminster. Read full article
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Jan 16th, 2020 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse -4***“People might make that (IMPERIALIST) argument but because we are offering and suggesting that these territories become equal parts of the United Kingdom, it’s hard to make an IMPERIALIST argument about this at all,” the backbencher said.”***
I Think this Engrish IMPERIALIST backbencher is forgetting some 47,000,000 Argies in his IMPERIALIST argument...
How IMPERIALIST...
An Argie...
Think,
Jan 16th, 2020 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +3We are British Territory anyway- British Overseas Territory - with our own internal self government- even if you folks don't recognise its existence - so already “devolved” far more than what this guy is suggesting.
The British bit in our description is not going to change now or in the future- unless there is a majority HERE who vote to do so- and that is pretty unlikely anytime in the next generation or two -
47,000,000 Argies ? Completely irrelevant Think. The archipelago has nothing to do with Argentina. The islanders will decide. Not Argieland. Mind your own business.
Jan 16th, 2020 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +4;-)
“ it’s hard to make an imperialist argument about this at all”
Jan 16th, 2020 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Absolutely. No arguments are needed, the facts demonstrate the imperialist attitude of the United Kingdom.
This legislator ignores the fact that there is a conflict with Argentina and that it must return the islands.
http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/proposal-to-settle-the-dispute/
M1833
Jan 16th, 2020 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +2How about my alternative?
a) Both sides to initially maintain the status quo.
b) Argentina to remove the Falkland Islands etc. clause from their constitution.
c) Argentina to recognise the Falkland Islanders’ right to self-determination
d) Argentina to recognise that what may or may not have happened prior to 1982 has no relevance.
e) Argentina to apologise to the Falkland Islanders, the UK and to those who were wounded or maimed and to the families of those who were killed during Argentina’s attempted colonisation in 1982
f) Argentina to pay substantial reparations to all those mentioned in item e) above.
g) Immigration to be controlled by the Falkland Islanders.
h) Argentina to guarantee not to interfere with or in any way interrupt or persuade others to interfere with or interrupt the Falkland Islands going about its normal affairs both governmental and commercial.
i) The UK to maintain its military presence on the islands and surrounding seas for as long as the Falkland Islanders should so desire.
j) Falkland Islanders to have, every 5 years, a referendum (paid for by Argentina) as to whether the Falkland Islanders wish to retain their links with the UK, become independent or cede sovereignty to Argentina.
k) If, after 3 referenda the Falkland Islanders still do not want to cede sovereignty to Argentina and want to retain their links with the UK or become independent then Argentina to allow them the right to do as they wish.
l) Whatever the outcome of the 3 referenda, Argentina to officially inform the UN and all other so-called international groups that Argentina no longer has any sovereignty claims over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands or any part of British Antarctica and the seas that surround them up to a limit of 250km from the coasts of the aforesaid islands and British Antarctica.
What do you think Professor (?) Kohen would say?
(Cue 'Think' to make disparaging comments about 'Paddies'
Mr. Timlander1...
Jan 16th, 2020 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -3You Kelpers auto-define yourself as a British Territory..., that we know...
I Sincerely hope that the above mentioned John Penrose, Weston-super-Mare MP gets a lot of exposure an success in Perfidious Albion with his IMPERIALIST plans for the 14 remaining Engrish Colonies...
It would certainly help to accelerate the irreversible dissaperance of those last ridiculous archaic remains of the Brutish Empire with one generation or two...
anyway- British Overseas Territory - with our own internal self government- even if you folks don't recognise its existence - so already “devolved” far more than what this guy is suggesting.
The British bit in our description is not going to change now or in the future- unless there is a majority HERE who vote to do so- and that is pretty unlikely anytime in the next generation or two -
darragh:
Jan 16th, 2020 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Kohen's proposal and yours may be subject to debate, discussion and even improvement.
But for this you have to open a dialogue channel, something that a few do not want.
Regards.
What's wrong with “Paddies”..., paddy...?
Jan 16th, 2020 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -3It's what the French did with their overseas territories and it seems to be working for them.
Jan 16th, 2020 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Question for Falklanders: on a badness scale of 1 to 10 = joining Argentina, where would integration with Britain fall?
Malvinense 1833
Jan 16th, 2020 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“The facts demonstrate the imperialist attitude of the United Kingdom.”
Au contraire, since the UK has assisted more countries towards independence, and contributed more than any other nation towards the development of the laws of self-determination.
“That it must return the islands” No they must not since the hold the legitimate title.
“There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
2013 Falkland Islands sovereignty referendum
Jan 17th, 2020 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse +2From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A referendum on political status was held in the Falkland Islands on 10–11 March 2013. The Falkland Islanders were asked whether or not they supported the continuation of their status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom in view of Argentina's call for negotiations on the islands' sovereignty.
On a turnout of 92%, 99.8% voted to remain a British territory, with only three votes against. Had the islanders rejected the continuation of their current status, a second referendum on possible alternatives would have been held. Brad Smith, the leader of the international observer group, announced that the referendum was free and fair and executed in accordance with international standards and international laws.
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Falkland Islands sovereignty referendum
“Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?”
Location Falkland Islands Falkland Islands
Date 10–11 March 2013
Results Votes %
Yes 1,513 99.80%
No 3 0.20%
Valid votes 1,516 99.87%
Invalid or blank votes 2 0.13%
Total votes 1,518 100.00%
Registered voters/turnout 1,650 92%
Dialogue, MoreCrap? What's to talk about? Not sovereignty for certain. That question was resolved in blood.
Jan 18th, 2020 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse +3That question was resolved in blood.
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