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Argentina pressing Uruguay on Falklands' RAF flights landing in Carrasco

Friday, February 21st 2020 - 08:40 UTC
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Argentina is again putting pressure on Uruguay, this time on the incoming government which takes office next March first, insisting no UK military aircraft linked to the Falkland Islands be allowed to land in the country's airports and Falklands should not be treated as state with which Uruguay has extensive trade and business exchanges. Read full article

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  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Article says...:
    ***“The incoming government of president Luis Lacalle Pou has made clear that Uruguay's foreign policy will be based on the country's interests and not on ideologic preferences”***

    I say...:
    A quite respectable and understandable political posture... Now...:
    1) With ~70% of the ~4,000,000 tourist visiting Uruguay each year being Argies...
    2) With ~25% of the Uruguayan GDP being directly generated through commerce with Argentina...
    3) Where does the above places the Islas Malvinas /Falkland issue...regarding Uruguay's country's interests...?

    Huhhhhhhhhhhhh...?

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Terence Hill

    The statement “Although history also indicates that the Malvinas as part ..” is absolutely wrong.
    The UK should make a public declaration condemning Argentine breaches of the international law to wit the UN Charter, Chapter I Purposes And Principles, Article 1
    2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights
    and self-determination of peoples, ...
    4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat ...
    against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner
    inconsistent with the Purposes of the United
    Nations.
    7. Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in
    matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the
    Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; ...
    Chapter XI, Declaration Regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories
    Article 73
    Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of
    territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the
    principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount,

    And

    CHARTER OF THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES
    Article 19
    No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Brit Bob

    Critics of the Argentine government’s strategies and rhetoric toward the Falkland islands have coined a new verb – malvinizar – to describe how the claim for and memory of the Malvinas is used simply to divert attention away from more serious domestic socio-economic challenges .

    Argentina is after another IMF bailout.

    Hard times coming...

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Islander1

    Most, if not all of those flights would be Compassionate cases or Medivacs. Check facts first Argentina.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    “Would be”...? Timlander1

    You are usually not a person in love with conditionals...
    Medivacs are nowadays done faster & better by civilian ambulance jet companies ..., Chay...
    But if you are in possesion of some “Checked Facts” about the Engrish MOD military flight missions..., you are very welcome to disclose them in here... ;-)))

    They certainly don't answer me Whatsapps...
    Capisce...?

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • DemonTree

    The neighbours don't seem very good at keeping their promises to Argentina. Anyone would think they don't care.

    Would Medivacs of military personal not be done by military aircraft, even if the civilian ones aren't?

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeee....

    Re-reading the above article I found following pearl...:

    Article says...:
    ***“Likewise it must be remembered that........... the father of the next president, he himself a former president, Luis Alberto Lacalle Herrera has also been in the Falklands....”***

    I say...:
    Likewise it must be remembered that the father of El Think' s children..., Sr. El Think..., has also been in the Malvinas/Falklands..., perfidious Albion/Engeland..., Cymru/Wales..., Eire/Ireland and bonnie Alba/Scotland several times...
    He even still owns a pair auld & comfy Clarks Suede Desert Boots in tan...

    Chuckle..., chuckle....

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Don Alberto

    Same old, same old, now that the old hag has become (vice)president again.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • mollymauk

    “ Medivacs are nowadays done faster & better by civilian ambulance jet companies ..., Chay...
    But if you are in possesion of some “Checked Facts” about the Engrish MOD military flight missions..., ”
    You would do well to check your facts too. The lead time to arrange a medevac flight with the aircraft departing from Chile, to the Falklands is far greater than to use the RAF option based and on permanent standby at Mount Pleasant. The civilian air ambulance option is preferred for civilian casualties, but where urgent specialist treatment is considered essential, the RAF regularly transport medical cases away from the Islands, to save vital time. With military casualties, it is even more frequent that the Voyager option is used.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Think

    Mr. Mollymauk...

    As a humble, average Patagonian..., I have to rely on open information sources..., the information some kind local inhabitants are willing to share..., and a little bit of that auld “less common of the senses” sense...

    Firstly..., thirteen (13) medevacs from sweet, little, undepopulated Puerto Estanley to Montevideo in 2019..., seem a bit too many... Specially when I don't remember more than a couple of them being publicized on PenguinNews...
    And ***“THAT's REALLY STRANGE...,”*** we all knowing how nosy its flaxen, pink wellied middle-aged female redactor is...

    Secondly..., as you yourself are so kind to share with us..., most medevacs fron them windblown Islands are flown to Punta Arenas, Chile..., NOT to Montevideo, Uruguay...
    Please correct me if I'm wrong... Me frail memory seems to remember..., that the FIG(leaf) has a standing treatment agreement with a certain privat clinic in Punta...

    Thirdly..., as you also are so kind to inform us...., normally..., in case of seriously injured military personell..., the services of the Voyager plane are utilized..., flying the patients all the way to auld Blighty..., right...?

    Maybe now you can understand me doubts..., Chay...?

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • DemonTree

    “in case of seriously injured military personell..., the services of the Voyager plane are utilized..., flying the patients all the way to auld Blighty.”

    Presumably they stop to refuel on the way? The airbridge does.

    And does Think subscribe to Penguin News? Lol.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Swede

    Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and other countries must have the right to decide what relations they want to have with the F.I. Argentina is not their “supervisor” in those matters. The Argentine Government should not tell the Brazilians which aircraft they should allow landing in Brazil or tell the Uruguayans which countries or territories could participate in an agricultural exhibition in Uruguay. Those countries should just answer: “Mind your own business!”.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • mollymauk

    Think, you are pretty good at rambling about things you do not have much knowledge of.

    “ Firstly..., thirteen (13) medevacs from sweet, little, undepopulated Puerto Estanley to Montevideo in 2019..., seem a bit too many...”

    - 1- medevacs are not all civilian, so some of the 13 will be military. 2 - civilian cases that often get flown to Montevideo include things such as premature babies who need urgent intensive care that is not available here - this is not the kind of thing that is generally reported by Penguin News

    “ Secondly..., as you yourself are so kind to share with us..., most medevacs fron them windblown Islands are flown to Punta Arenas, Chile..., NOT to Montevideo, Uruguay...”

    1. Wrong again. Most urgent civilian medevacs are flown to Santiago, not Punta Arenas. A member of my family had a serious accident last year, and she did go to Punta, but ONLY because the Air Ambulance to Santiago was already in use that day for another case - the initial request was for Santiago (as usual). Incidentally, that accident, and the medevac was not reported in Penguin News. 2 - I did not say that most went to Punta.

    “ Thirdly..., as you also are so kind to inform us...., normally..., in case of seriously injured military personell..., the services of the Voyager plane are utilized..., flying the patients all the way to auld Blighty..., right...?”

    Right? ... No, wrong. In the case of NON-urgent cases, military (and some civilian, depending on where the hospital or the individual decides they need to be treated), will be medevaced to the UK. In the case of URGENT life-threatening cases, the most common destination for military casualties is indeed Montevideo.

    So you are wrong on almost all accounts. (You are correct that government have a link with Clinica Magellanes in Punta, but this is more often for elective treatment, not emergency care)

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    Mr. Mollymauk....

    Firstly..., I want to thank you for all that first hand information that you provided us...

    Secondly..., I must say that if that little group of ~4,000 Engrish souls in them windblown Islands really need all those medevacs...,(13 to Montevideo..., quite a lot more to Santiago de Chile..., following your info ..., some to São Paulo..., some to Punta Arenas and some to Brize Norton..., then you Kelpers must either be really..., really... weaklings..., clumsy..., unlucky and cursed by Mother Nature... or lying trough your teeth about all those many Medevacs...

    As I know that you are no weaklings..., etc..., etc..., etc.... I am strongly tempted to Think that you are lying...

    Capisce...?

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • mollymauk

    I do not know why I am bothering to respond to your lies and insults... but...

    The Falklands, as you regularly point out, has a small population. Economies of scale dictate that specialist medical treatment is not available in the well-run but small hospital that we have here. They can stabilise trauma patients, or people with sudden incapacitating conditions such as stroke or heart attack, but it is not feasible to have a heart surgeon/brain surgeon/orthopaedic surgeon etc in the islands. Therefore the medical system is set up to keep people alive long enough to get them away to specialist treatment.
    I do not have statistics for you, but from monitoring the aviation frequencies, and the amount of times we hear the Air Ambulance coming in, I would not be at all surprised if there are at least 30 urgent medevacs a year.

    You say that you have no direct information, and would welcome any from Islanders - yet when you get it, you accuse us of lying. You are a sad case...

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    Mr. Mollymauk...

    I Think I am one of the most restrained posters in here in respect of insulting others...
    You have been here long enough to know that I have been called by Engrishmen and Kelpers alike by every name in the Book...

    I did not call you personally a liar above.... Specially not after all that surely correct info about the geographical destinations of your true Medevacs...

    But I am..., loud and clearly..., calling your local Government pretension of clasifying all those many C130 military transport flights to Brasil and Uruguay through the last 3/4 years as Medevacs..., for an evident LIE...

    It is statistically and practically impossible..

    Regards...
    El Think...


    It is statistically and practically impossible...

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • DemonTree

    Think... you call 90% of posters here turnips. You never miss a chance to use a derogatory term to refer to races or nationalities. You called the girls from the Falklands badminton team Oxygen Thieves. You did say above that you were strongly tempted to think Mollymauk was lying.

    The way you see yourself is not how others see you.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Terence Hill

    “which “violates a tacit understanding with our neighbors”, because the only reason to support UK military aircraft in Montevideo is in emergency situations. ... UK military aircraft, either coming or going to the Islands, have also been landing in south Brazil airports and this situation was exposed and denounced by the Macri administration.”
    It's nice to know that the stupid have let the world see who is the only party that is in clear breach of their international obligations vis-à-vis the UN Charter and Charter Of The Organization Of American States.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Ahhhhhhhhh...
    Somebody mentioned Badminton...!

    Yes..., I did indeed call them Kelper Badminton lasses that recently “played” in Brasil for “Oxygen Thieves”..., because that was precisely what they were doing in those Brasilian Badminton Courts...

    1) I have spent many thousands of hours on Badminton courts...
    2) I did watch some of the streamed matches of them Kelper lasses in Brasil...
    3) I saw their far superior opponents from USA, Perú, Brasil & Guatemala keeping most of their Oxygen for their upcoming..., real matches...
    4) I saw their far superior opponents from USA, Perú, Brasil & Guatemala conceed them Kelper lasses some easy points..., as one normally does..., not to discourage a severely inferior player completely...
    5) That's being a “Good Sport”...

    Capisce...?


    Capisce...?

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Don Alberto

    If it wasn't against the rules on MercoPress, I would have called “Think” an idiot. But as it isn't allowed I will abstain.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    Think
    You can argue your insults are deserved. No doubt the many posters who insult you believe the same. But what I said is still true. When you begin by insulting people you cannot expect much respect in return.

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    “Respect”...?
    Who the fckuck is expecting “Respect”...?
    Not this auld, frail & humble Patagonian calling himself “Think”...

    - “Think”......, a near impossibility for them ~50-60% of Turnips that compose MercoPress's commentator corps..., I know...

    God bless the remaining ~40-50% of Thinking ones..., composed of Poms, Taffies, Jocks, Paddies, Kelpers, Kaffers, Sandniggas, Chinks, Wogs, Abos, Guidos, Dagos, LGTB's, Women..., even Argies...
    - Soooo many wonderfully Classical & Luuuuving ENGRISH terms for referring to our World's diversity...

    Capisce....?

    Feb 21st, 2020 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    Congratulations, they're even writing papers about you now
    “How You View Others Says a Lot About Self
    You might want to think twice before you talk about others, because your words could reveal a lot about your own personality traits, even ones that you may not be aware of, ...
    “Seeing others positively reveals your own positive traits.”
    On the other hand, your words could reveal negative perceptions of others that are linked to narcissism, antisocial behavior, and even neuroticism, says the research team, ...
    The study also found that how positively people see others shows how satisfied they are with their own lives and how much they are liked by others.
    The researchers say that negative perceptions of other people are linked to higher levels of narcissism and antisocial behavior.”
    https://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20100806/your-words-reflect-who-you-are#1
    In my day that was put in very simple sentence. “An asshole with an unjustified big-head”

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Guillote

    Terence Hill

    Why everything you say is so long. Is it a drug problem that you have? the truth would tell you to see a psychologist.
    De verdad me parece que tenes un problema y estaria bueno que hables con un psicologo
    Saludos

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Think

    Gracias Guille...
    No tengo polvora pá semejante chimango...
    El pobre Terrence Gil ese..., debe estár más solo qué Argentino en Malvinas.... ;-)

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • DemonTree

    Think
    Suit yourself. Just don't be all surprised Pikachu when people react badly.

    You may think you're making some kind of point by using those terms, but that's not how it comes across. Wherever they come from I've never heard most of them in real life, and even learned new ones from YOU.

    PS. Why is Google trying to feed me stories from La Nación? Their algorithm is fucked up.

    Guillote
    Terry has a strange disorder: he can only speak in quotes. Very sad case.

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think- in the case of pregnant ladies needing medivacs for whatever reason, of some heart cases - and thus their bodies not suitable for pressurized flying heights - the usual route is low level to Monte by RAF- THE andes are a bit lumpy!
    lso ocasionnaly a forces person may suddenly need urgent transfer to UK for compassionate reasons- family death or whatever and the normal pax carrying flight left easier that day or whatever- quickest method is A400Atlas up top Monte and catch a commercial flight.
    Sorry do not have each flight details- not really news here each time. But you see British Armed Forces actually care about all their personnel these days - be you a general or a mere 18yr old squaddie.

    But I would be very surprised if any RAF flight to Uruguay was for any other purpose than humanitarian.

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Terence Hill

    Guillote
    “Why everything you say is so long” you missed great opportunity to say nothing since you have zero powers of deduction since I have stated nothing, other than giving experts opinion on such behavior.
    “It is better to be silent and thought to be ignorant then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.” R. G. Risch
    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    Its duly noted that your silence on the study's observation confirms their conclusions.
    “..qui tacet consentiré videtur-lit. he who is silent is thought to consent. Thus, he who keeps silent is assumed to consent; silence gives consent. In law, the silence of a party implies his consent.. A maxim of crime and consent. qui tacet, consentit-lit. he who is silent agrees. Thus, who keeps silent consents; silence means consent; silent consent is same as expressed consent; consent by conduct is as good as expressed consent. This is an implied term in law....”
    SOMA'S DICTIONARY OF LATIN QUOTATIONS MAXIMS AND PHRASES
    A Compendium Of Latin Thought And Rhetorical Instruments
    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “Terry has a strange disorder” while you reveal your strange compulsion to get into bed with the most immoral and deranged, as long as they are in opposition to me. So keep cuddling up buttercup, my title for you was spot on.

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    DemonTurnip...
    Pika..., pika...

    Mr. Timlander1...
    And I would NOT be surprised at all if most RAF flight to Uruguay were for any other purpose than humanitarian...
    That's how it is to be standing on opposite sides..., ain't it...?

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “And I would NOT be surprised ...” Who cares as international law precepts prohibit Argentina from getting involved. Oh I forgot their modus operandi is.
    As the US chargé d'affaires Francis Baylies wrote about Argentina in 1832
    “...The revolutions of these people are seditious; their knowledge. chicanery and trickery; their patriotism, their liberty, a farce... ”
    Baylies held that the US should sign no treaty ...for we would abide by it, and they would consider the violation no greater offense than a lie told by a schoolboy...”
    http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/argentina/rosas.pdf

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Islander1

    Not so much opposite sides Think-more one of reality of reason for such flights on one side - and a political fantasy claim on the other.

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • tallison46

    Argentina needs to move on from the Falklands madness, they need to fix Argentina's financial problems instead of wasting time on an issue that they are just making worse.....

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Diametrally opposite sides Mr. Miller... One of reality of reason for such military flights on my side - and a political fantasy claim on yours...

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “a political fantasy claim on yours...” You've got that ass about backwards, as it is you who is arguing for the appellant side. Whereas, the Islanders hold legal possession. Unless you can show under international law the reverse, your shit out of luck.

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @Twink
    https://en.meming.world/images/en/thumb/2/2c/Surprised_Pikachu_HD.jpg/300px-Surprised_Pikachu_HD.jpg

    Feb 22nd, 2020 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think - I am struggling to think of any actuaL military necessity that requires occasional transport aircraft flights to Uruguay from the Islands?

    Humanitarian - yes quite a few that I know of:

    Residents needing urgent Hospital attention that cannot fly at pressurized altitude
    to Santiago.

    Military personel the same reasoning.

    Military personell compassionate cases needing urgent flights to Uk or wherever family is.

    Participating in SAR operations at sea in that area somewhere- this has happened.- about a year ago I think?

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Mr. Miller...

    I don't Think you would be “struggling to Think” soooooo much...,if you just Think about the logistic/transportation needs and costs involved in running..., let's say..., a Malvinas production company with about 20 employees...

    Think now about thel logistic/transportation needs & costs of a Malvinas full blown military base..., employing..., housing..., training and feeding all between 1,000 to 2,000 Engrish souls...
    Something like this...:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Mount_Pleasant_Airport_-_Donald_Morrison.jpg

    Capisce...?

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “just Think about the logistic/transportation needs and costs”
    Falklands War Cost-Benefit Analysis
    The price of War
    ”Although the Falklands War had a very noticeable short-term impact on defence expenditure, the impact was not long-lasting. Notwithstanding the first few years after the conflict, when South Atlantic expenditure was greatly consumed by the construction of RAF Mount Pleasant (operational from 1986), the amount spent wasn't overly significant. In 1986-7, it was only 2.23% of total defence expenditure, and by 1989-90, a mere 0.33%. At their height (1982-3), the war's effects represented only 6.76% of total defence expenditure.
    http://nikdarlington.blogspot.com.br/2010/05/falklands-war-cost-benefit-analysis.html

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • SantiagoM

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    TWIMC...
    2 days have past...
    39 comments have been posted...
    0 Engrish Turnips (or not)... have answered the very first question on this thread...:

    Article says...:
    ***“The incoming government of president Luis Lacalle Pou has made clear that Uruguay's foreign policy will be based on the country's interests and not on ideologic preferences”***

    I ask (again)...:
    A quite respectable and understandable political posture... Now...:
    1) With ~70% of the ~4,000,000 tourist visiting Uruguay each year being Argies...
    2) With ~25% of the Uruguayan GDP being directly generated through commerce with Argentina...
    3) Where does the above places the Islas Malvinas /Falkland issue...regarding Uruguay's country's interests...?
    Huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...?

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • tallison46

    They are wasting there time, money and effort..... Argentina isn't in charge of South America... and they can barely take care of themselves...

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “Answered the very first question on this thread...”
    You were answered precisely at the second post, showing that Argentina continues to be in breach of international law.
    https://en.mercopress.com/2020/02/21/argentina-pressing-uruguay-on-falklands-raf-flights-landing-in-carrasco/comments#comment507300

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    No answers..., huhhhhhhhh?

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “No answers.” There most certainly is, you just happen to not like it.

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    No one...?

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “Theres none so blind that will not see,” and Argentina is still in breach of international law. Not that matters, since she has no reputation to lose. Since the US chargé d'affaires Francis Baylies wrote about Argentina in 1832

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Nada...

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “Nada...” Your personal opinion versus my showing the factual evidence of Argentine breaches of international law. No contest, those dam facts blowing your unsupported opinion out the water.

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ....

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Thinkachu
    Don't you have anything better to do than tease the unfortunate?

    (“Dam facts blowing your unsupported opinion out the water” is almost good, though.)

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Still with sand in my sandals, allow me to respond, Thunk. My information is that the Uruguay government see no reason to change the current arrangements. A private conversation which I cannot 'prove' so only time will tell. Uruguay has to be convinced that there is a genuine need. Provided that they are convinced, the flights will continue to land in their country. They will certainly not be seen to be bullied by their neighbour. Doesn't go down well with the Uruguayan people who already consider Argentine's arrogant enough. If anything, they may be 'convinced' a little more this year, just to make the point.

    Hope that helps.

    ;-)

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “Don't you ..” you obviously don't. But it's nice to see you for filling your own title.
    Cuddle up, Buttercup.

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Pika pikaáhhh ..., Copper...!
    I was almost afraid you was arrested for Badminton Lèse-Majesté...

    Of course you help..., laddie... ;-)
    - As long as the Engrish military properly documents to the Uruguayan authorities the humanitarian or medevac nature of their flight missions... there is NO PROBLEM with us Argies...

    As you may remember..., we Argies do even allow.., for humanitarian reasons..., the overfly of Argentinean territory by lost Engrish fighter jets when the current new generation young RAF Anglo pilots get soooo befuddled by a bit of Magellan fog..., that they can't find no Malvinas no more to land...

    Feb 23rd, 2020 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “As you may remember... do even allow”. Which means it has never, and will never occur.
    “Anglo pilots get soooo befuddled ” Along with flying skills, navigation is a must, so their aircraft are not going to be in the hands of incompetents. So here you are opining about some other matter that you know nothing about.

    Feb 24th, 2020 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mollymauk

    “ Which means it has never, and will never occur.”

    Terence Hill - before you dig a hole any deeper, (and just to pre-empt Thinks gleeful rebuttal...), the incident he is referring to did indeed happen, in June 2010, when two Typhoons and a tanker diverted to Punta Arenas, due to unforecast fog at Mount Pleasant taking the airfield below landing minima. The aircraft overflew Argentinean airspace during the diversion, with no issues - showing that Argentina can behave responsibly, when the politicians don’t get involved...

    Feb 24th, 2020 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    mollymauk
    “Terence Hill - before you dig ... ” Well excuse me all to blazes, mea culpa.
    Thanks a lot, hard to imagine with GPS available being that lost. While I can understand visibility conditions were disconcerting. With all the electronic navigation gear available? Then it has to be based on inexperience or competency.

    Feb 24th, 2020 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr. Mollymauk...
    You killjoy kelper albatross... ;-)))

    Feb 24th, 2020 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mollymauk

    “ hard to imagine with GPS available being that lost”

    - it is not about being lost, it is about visibility requirements for landing. They would certainly not have been “lost”, just unable to land at Mount Pleasant due to the unforecast weather conditions. Although some (not all) civilian jet transport aircraft can land in zero visibility at airfields with suitable ground equipment for their instrument landing systems, it is not a capability commonly used by jet fighters (as far as I am aware). The airfield at Mount Pleasant is not equipped for auto-land (again, as far as I am aware), so if the visibility drops below landing minima, a diversion to a suitable alternate airfield becomes necessary. For instance, the flight from UK via Cape Verde (or previously, Ascension Island), has on more than a few occasions had to divert to its alternate, normally Montevideo.

    Feb 24th, 2020 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    mollymauk
    “It is not about being lost ...”. Got it txs, they were on route in 18hr journey originating from the UK. So a declared emergency was dealt with through the proper channels.
    So all that has happened is Tink has simply revealed his 'when I rule the world complex'. Fortunately, God is in his heaven, and the Islanders are invested with the absolute right to their own destiny
    ”In an official release from the Argentine Air Force which revealed that on request to Comodoro Rivadavia air control service, the three aircraft over-flew Argentine territory en route to an alternative airport and therefore “there was no violation of Argentine air space”. An MoD spokesperson said “We are very grateful to both the Argentine Authorities and the Chilean Authorities for their cooperation and rapid response which ensured that this emergency was resolved swiftly ...
    https://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/falklands-thick-fog-forces-two-raf-typhoons-and-tanker-to-land-in-punta-arenas

    Feb 24th, 2020 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Me dear Killjoy Kelper Albatross...

    Not that i believed it for a second but..., the hearsay going round them Islands 'bout that episode was quite funny (and sooooo typical Puerto Estanleysh...:-)

    Feb 24th, 2020 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -2

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