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OAS reiterates support for Falklands' sovereignty talks between Argentina and UK
The General Assembly of the Organization of American States, OAS, supported a declaration on the Falklands/Malvinas question, reaffirming once again the need for the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to resume negotiations on the disputed sovereignty with the purpose of finding a peaceful solution to the prolonged controversy. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTalk is Cheap and Argentina Will NEVER Gain control over the Falklands ! Unless the Islanders Want it and that seems Highly Unlikely!
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse +3Dear OAS and Narnia,
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2Negotiate? Negotiate what? The islanders have the right to say NO thank you. End of story.
Falklands - The OAS has clearly failed to live up to its own charter and principles. Meanwhile Argentine colonization and expansionism has been thoroughly endorsed.
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse +2Falklands & The OAS (1 PG): https://www.academia.edu/37213227/Falklands_and_The_OAS
negotiations,
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina..........we want the Falklands, Falklanders.............you cant have it,
end of negotiations .
The only thing this “declaration” says is: “the need for the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to resume negotiations on the disputed sovereignty with the purpose of finding a peaceful solution to the prolonged controversy.” The OAS simply wants the parties to “negotiate”, but says nothing about the preferred outcome of the negotiations and what a “peaceful solution” means. The organization does not say that Argentina should take over the islands. But as long as the Argentine constitution only allows one outcome, negotiations are really meaningless.
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2They could negotiate in advance their next surrender, might save some time.
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Comment removed by the editor.
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -5El Diego, the UN has never said they want the Falklands to belong to Peronist land,
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Other vacuous annual statement by the impotent OAS.
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Comment removed by the editor.
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -2El die goat!
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Yes, Malvinas come to argentina very soon. All you have to do is to find these fabled islands.
The existing Falkland Islands, however, belong to the Falkland Islanders and the UK.
Even the editor thinks El Diego is cringe.
Oct 23rd, 2020 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Robbers, and now LIARS TOO. Great Britain had not, and never did acquire proper sovereignty to the islands, for the fact that they lost the battle with Spain over them who had always sustained first right to them, causing them to subsequently abandon their brief attempt at a settlement, yet returning opportunistically to take them by force from the Argentine who had just suffered an American attack to their settlement, both countries ever since ignoring Argentina's denunciation and claim to Britain and America's wrong doing and unlawful attacks.
Oct 24th, 2020 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse -5Britain has forged its own narrative onto the world during all of the following years, quashing with silence any diplomatic discussions and imposing an unwarranted and disproportionate military base, establishing “prejudiced social migratory criteria” to the islands, plus flooding all forms of communications with their distorted account of the matter; yet that by no means this constitutes true and popper sovereignty based on natural merit.
Trimonde
Oct 24th, 2020 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Robbers, and now LIARS TOO” Argentina's illegal behaviour is all documented.
Regardless, the OAS can only operate according to its own mandate.
CHARTER OF THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES
Part One Chapter II PRINCIPLES Article 3
The American States reaffirm the following principles:
a) International law is the standard of conduct of States in their reciprocal relations;
b) International order consists essentially of respect for the personality, sovereignty, and independence of States, and the faithful fulfilment of obligations derived from treaties and other sources of international law;
e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. ...
Chapter IV FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES
Article 11
Every American State has the duty to respect the rights enjoyed by every other State in accordance with
international law.
Article 12
The fundamental rights of States may not be impaired in any manner whatsoever.
Article 13
The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
Pwat ...
Oct 24th, 2020 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse +2Spain recognised British sovereignty over the western islands in 1771, and claimed just one island in 1811 – Soledad. In 1863, Spain recognised British sovereignty over all. Argentina is not Spain. Inheritance is a myth. Argentina was never in the game.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/1775-to-1815.pdf
How is that pertinent to Argentina's settlement on the Eastern Island, or for that matter Argentina's claim to the whole archipelago, when Britain was not even sovereign nor settled on the islands at that time nor had it been for 50 years after leaving a plaque on the beach saying “this is mine OK?” lol. It merely insisted on claiming the islands by the will of its own accord all the way from the other side of the world, without so much as a tinny fort anywhere near or agreement with any of the sorrowing nations regarding their claim. They never discussed the matter with anyone, they just presumed them. A situation which they chose to produce themselves from the moment they felt the islands were of discardable concern, and left them pretentiously guarded by a piece of metal. ... That may have been alright if the islands had not been intensely contested nor claimed by any other country or embroiled by any still undefined and challenging condition. Which was definitely not the case.
Oct 24th, 2020 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3See that's why Britain can never ultimately win its arguments and ends up always resorting to armed force and conflict. It's logic is always perversely based on the self perception of being the only country with authority in the world. It does not know how to respond even to our natural intuitive human sense that others have the same right to this planet that they do. Thus all its “political reasonings” echo a laughable presumptuousness worthy of fairy-tale kingdom protagonized in a children's cartoon. Except it would be laughable indeed, were it not seriously means its intentions to murderously destroy those who get in its self centered scally incursions onto the rights of others.
That's strange - Trimonde's English has suddenly improved even if his logic and 'facts' haven't.
Oct 24th, 2020 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1So who actually wrote the two items by Trimonde above - I can't 'think' who that could possibly have been!
@ Trimonde
Oct 24th, 2020 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Once and for all: The Spanish subjects who lived in the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata stole what much later became middle Argentina from Spain by an *armed* robbery.
They, like bank robbers, do NOT inherit what they took at gun point.
If anything in connection with Argentina shall be returned, it is
1. The previous Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata to Spain.
2. The provinces Chaco, Formosa and Misiones to Paraguay.
3. All of Patagonia south of Bahia Blanca to the indigenous people.
4. All of present day Argentina to the rightful owners, the indigenous people.
Spanish Colonists: Go home!
Trimonde
Oct 24th, 2020 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“Or agreement with any of ...nations regarding their claim”. Oh yes they did as you well
know you liar.
The Convention of Settlement, 1850. This is how legal scholars of the day and therefore nations viewed the effects of such a peace treaty to wit. “A treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it finds it, unless there be some express stipulations to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the possessor, and his title cannot afterward be called in question.”
Moreover, there are two prior Anglo-Spanish treaties that totally bar any and all Argentine claims, the Treaty of Utrecht, and Nootka Convention.
TiTMond
Oct 24th, 2020 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It’s pertinent because it means the UP of the River Plate were Squatting on the Eastern Island illegally, and hence they were evicted.
The issue of sovereignty was settled long before Argentina existed in any form, including the UP of the River Plate.
Also long before you finished annihilating the inhabitants of Patagonia and TDF and occupying their land, also illegally, to become our neighbours in that part of the world.
As for “rights”, how is it the Islanders don’t have the same rights then?
Also, you need to lay of the speed a bit, you are rambling on and on and on, like Biden unplugged.
Pathetic Mercopress is blocking me from posting!
Oct 24th, 2020 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -2TiTMonde
Oct 24th, 2020 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cipayos, in the Pay of Engrish Pirates.
Pugol-TTWH
Oct 24th, 2020 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It's hopeless to argue with Argentines.
Falklanders are like honeybees and Argentines are like horseflies. Even if the honeybee could explain that pollen is better than horse-shit — the flies would not understand.
¡Saludos!
Daragh,
Oct 24th, 2020 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Trimonde is Patrick Edgar, an American. He has a dislike for the UK, in particular, the English.
Patrick admires Alexander Betts, a Falkland Islander who emigrated to Argentina with the fleeing Argentine army in 1982. Betts is the one Islander who supports the Argentine claim and therefore Patrick's anti-english view of the world.
The brothers of Alexander Betts fought against the Argentine occupation. Alexander Betts did not stand with his brothers but supported the invaders.
When emigrating to Argentina, Alexander Betts left his wife and three children behind.
In the Falklands, Betts was extramaritally involved with an Argentine maid. He later married this woman in Argentina.
Betts collected an Argentine war veteran's pension even though he was never in the Argentine military.
A normal person would not ignore the above character flaws. Patrick Edgar does and further, has admiration for someone like that.
What does that tell you about Patrick Edgar and how seriously his arguments should be taken?
Bushpilot
Oct 24th, 2020 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that - it was just that I've read some of his previous posts on Mercopress and they've just been incoherent ramblings and then suddenly on this thread he writes almost impeccable English - I'm just suspicious that's all.
Maybe he's back on his meds!
He is “back on it”, but not his “meds”.
Oct 25th, 2020 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bush Pilot - Betts should now be spoken of in the past tense. The quisling is pushing up the daisies.
Oct 25th, 2020 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse +1Pwat - Argentina's 'trespass' on the Eastern Island lasted from June, 1829 to Decemeber 1831 and then was renewed for a few months in late 1832. Kicked off, twice. That's all it was. A trespass for which Buenos Aires received two written warnings in 1829 & 1832. Buenos Aires should have listened.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/falkland-wars-1700-1850-1.pdf
Shicureo..., rise and shine...
Oct 25th, 2020 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Time for you and your privileged cast of about 10% of Shilean pollen-rich honeybees to drive down to town and vote against a new Democratic Constitution for our beloved Shile...
- Thank God for the ~90% of Shilean humble flies though..., without them processing our manure..., we all would have drowned in shiat eons ago...
Capisce...
Ps...:
A rare Barolo will be uncorked tonight to celebrate the result... :-)))
We really need to see a negotiated solution to this because as El Diego says it is immoral to have British imperialism in the year 2020. A country that built its economy and empire on the back of African slave trading should not be acceptable to anybody. It is also quite alarming to see dissenters (El Diego) posts being deleted on here. British censorship at work?
Oct 25th, 2020 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Estimado THINK
Oct 25th, 2020 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still in a very long line to vote.
Knowledgable Chileans are like honeybees and roto leftists are like horseflies. Even if the honeybee could explain that pollen is better than horse-shit — the flies would not understand.
This is one time I sincerely hope you do not get to celebrate drinking wine...
¡Viva Chile!
Shicuréo...
Oct 25th, 2020 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Average knowledgable Shileans would know that FEMALE horse-flies (tabanas) whole life revolves around sucking blood and causing pain... (NOTHING to do with horse manure..., hermanito...)
More knowledgable Shileans would know that MALE horse-flies (tabanos) is a gentle organism that sucks flower nectar and munches flower pollen... (NOTHING to do with horse manure..., hermanito...)
And..., Shileans with some farming knowledgable would know that male horse-flies (tabanos) are a quite usefull & effective pollinators... (NOTHING to do with horse manure..., hermanito...)
Capisce...?
BTW...
The Barolo is decanting...
Chi chi chi - le le le...
Estimado THINK
Oct 25th, 2020 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still patiently waiting in line to vote. I've been waiting over 2 hours.
It seems EVERYONE is using their democratically given right to choose.
Even the expat Chileans abroad...
¡Viva Chile!
APRUEBO...;-)
Oct 25th, 2020 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders have no right to decide how Britain and Argentina resolve their dispute nor what country the islands should belong to, nor if they should be split between the two countries (which to me is the most reasonable solution) We understand that Britain astutely false endows them with that supposed right, and we understand also how both use that logic to avoid facing Argentina in honest open and unstructured talks about the matter, it's a flawed logic which I have no doubt Britain consciously uses as such in order to cheat. Like it always cheats.
Oct 26th, 2020 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse -1Britain is a 5th rate power these days on the decline with leaving the EU and a bit of a joke internationally speaking. The islanders are totally misguided thinking that the UK will support them.
Oct 26th, 2020 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse -2Fito Garcia, if Britain is 5th rate then Argentina must be 10th rate, the UK goverment will support the Falkland Islands 100% , you are obviously El Diego who keeps getting posts deleted, the Falklanders and only the Falklanders will decide their future.,Argentina has NO say in the matter.
Oct 26th, 2020 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TiTMonde
Oct 26th, 2020 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Except they absolutely do have that right under the UN Charter, decolonisation declaration and subsequent resolutions.
Which is why there is nothing to “talk about” with Argentina, unless the Islanders decide otherwise.
Must hurt, but that is the reality.
Britain is the laughing stock of Europe and its approach Covid19 is a total disaster and will most likely bankrupt the country. If they can't even manage their own economy how on earth are they going to provide for the islanders. Then there is Brexit which will most likely lead to the break up of the union with Scotland. Good riddance to a stagnant and immoral country.
Oct 26th, 2020 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Señor Garcia
Oct 26th, 2020 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it was for Venezuela, Argentina would be the #1 laughingstock of our continent.
“...can't even manage their own economy...”
A century ago the Argentines legitimately were the 5th wealthiest country in the world. Today, despite its natural resources and highly educated populace — they are the laughingstock of financial lenders.
Regarding COVID19 the plague has gotten completely out of control in Argentina and people are reported as starving in one of the greatest food producing countries in the world!
Brexit was one of the greatest acts of a nation democratically recovering their Kingdom's identity. Globalism has been defeated with a return to independence.
The islanders seem to be perfectly happy to be left alone and take care of themselves. They already had been given a sample of their Argentine overlords governance.
¡Saludos!
Exaggerated, condescending, right-wing ideologic nonsense. Have you had your pills today?
Oct 27th, 2020 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sr. Charlie Paez..., just above...
Oct 27th, 2020 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse +1You will have to excuse the exaggerated, condescending, right-wing ideologic nonsense from our Shilean hermanito Shicuréo...
He is doing its best to sound like an exaggerated, condescending, right-wing ideologically nonsensical Argentinean...
Bur failing... ;-)
Saludos...
El Think...
Pugol, the ingratiator camp follower, perpetual loser.
Oct 27th, 2020 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Your credibility is at stake here!” Unlike you and your fellow fascists, my credibility has never been in doubt. As unlike you and your fellow traveler, I have always proved my assertions. “So you don’t actually know what happens in Brazilian Bogs” No proof, no truth.
https://en.mercopress.com/2020/10/17/brazilian-senator-close-ally-of-bolsonaro-forced-to-resign-over-hidden-cash/comments#comment512496
Señor Fito Garcia (or perhaps Señor Charlie Paez)
Oct 27th, 2020 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I were wanting to sound like an exaggerated, condescending, right-wing ideologically nonsensical Argentinean — I would indeed agree with you that Argentinians are truly God's chosen people to inhabit one of the greatest land masses upon our continent.
Also, as an exaggerated, condescending, right-wing ideologically nonsensical Argentinean — I would completely agree with your statement belittling a nation that gave you an ass-whooping in 1982.
In fact — Señor Fito Garcia or “Charlie Paez” — just repeating your diatribe would exactly classify me as an exaggerated, condescending nonsensical Argentinean!
But, instead I'm simply a humble inferior campesino — born on the wrong side of the Andes — where our government steals far less from our pockets and we repay the money we borrow.
¡Saludos!
Once Argentina expels the right-wing free-market ideologues and their media outlets like yourselves from the country we will reach the full potential. The country has been held back for too long by these immoral and bankrupt ideologies. The current government inherited a mess from those people. When Nestor was in power the country exploded with growth and equality. We will come back to this soon and Chile people will want to join us in our utopian socialist paradise where everybody lives in peace and comfort. Materialism does not work in Latin America and must be expelled
Oct 27th, 2020 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sr. Fito García...
Oct 27th, 2020 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exaggerated, condescending, left-wing ideologic nonsense. Have you had your pills today?
Señor Fito Garcia
Oct 27th, 2020 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and I both agree your country has been held back for too long by immoral and bankrupt ideologies.
I appreciate your educated suggestion, but truthfully the last time I was in your glorious country was during the 2019 ski season — were I spent money like a drunken sailor.
I sincerely promise to not disturb Argentina during any future ski season — never again so you can relax. (We now will spend our money on our side of the Andes.)
Probably — we simple backward Chileans will also take-a-pass on the idea of us joining you in your “utopian socialist paradise where everybody lives in peace and comfort” — because we learned your idealistic dream was a nightmare — as it is in Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela...
I do wish you well on your revolution.
¡Saludos!
Pssssst.. shicu.....
Oct 27th, 2020 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't ask me why..., but I have me doubts 'bout Mr. Fito García's being an Argie...
Capisce...?
@ trimonde. Hola Patrick Regini I see you are as verbose as ever. Trimonde is a North American born Italian who once spent a few years in Argentina as a child. He now believes he is an argentine.
Oct 27th, 2020 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever been to Cuba? Venezuela? What you perceive from your right-wing business elitist media sources is highly distorted to suit the billionaire cabal who control your every perception and thought. How do you enjoy such a robotic thought-controlled life? Of course, you don't realize it because the distortion is so deep in your psyche you are convinced that the socialist model does not work. Talk with the people and ask them how happy they are rather than be brainwashed by the media of the right-wing cabal. Do you realize Covid19 was manufactured by the cabal to try and grab control of Argentina, Cuba, Venezuela? Argentina will not be subject to your mind control vaccine.
Oct 27th, 2020 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k-tzTsbWswY
Oct 27th, 2020 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mind control vaccine” sounds like matrimony which one of us is an expert of and myself a hopeless victim...
Oct 27th, 2020 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One luxury we have in Chile is we don't have to travel to Venezuela because a signifigant part of their wonderful people have emigrated to Chile.
It seems that they preferred the material opportunities here over their Marxist socialist utopia...
I also think — THINK's observation is correct...
We will not allow the Cabal led by the UK and other right-wing groups in the USA to steal our oil wealth. They have been trying this for many years in Venezuela and have effectively destroyed their economy while blaming this on the Maduro government and so-called Marxism. This will not be tolerated in Argentina.
Oct 28th, 2020 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1Señor Garcia
Oct 28th, 2020 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for you and really great idea for Argentina.
I have a great idea: Invite those greedy monster polluting capitalistic oil companies to invest in YPF to build the infrastructure — and then nationalize the assets for a small percentage of the free market value.
Those greedy foreign capitalists need to be punished for stealing the profits from the true owners of the resources — the Mapuche native people!
All the profits should go to those specific true owners of the land in eastern Patagonia!
People of Spanish and Italian blood are especially the invaders and need to be forced to make significant repatriations for their long term theft!
The late arriving foreign immigrants — from Wales and Denmark for example should be forced to pay double as a they seem to be especially obnoxious!
The Mapuche people are the rightful owners of eastern Patagonia!
Totally agree with you.
Oct 28th, 2020 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The reasonable solution would be the forced repatriation of Italian-Argentines back to Palermo! Spanish-Argentines back to Valencia! And the other mixed mestizos to Mogadishu!
Oct 28th, 2020 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Argentina is now the cultural centre of Latin America and fully respects indigenous rights. We are a socialist country and we don't have any pretensions for empire, unlike Trump's poodle.
Oct 29th, 2020 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse -1Federico Jeanmaire seems to have forgotten all the rest which must be returned to the rightful owners:
Oct 29th, 2020 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The previous Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata to Spain.
2. Not only Formosa , but also the provinces Chaco and Misiones - to Paraguay.
3. All of Patagonia south of Bahia Blanca - to the indigenous people.
4. All of present day Argentina - to the indigenous people.
Spanish Colonists: Go home!
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