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Falklands, Chinese jet fighters and the pro Beijing lobby in Argentine Defense and Diplomacy

Thursday, March 16th 2023 - 07:02 UTC
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The Argentine Embassy in China said that Buenos Aires is considering procuring the JF-17 aircraft, with Chinese analysts saying on Wednesday that the fighter jet jointly developed by China and Pakistan is the best choice for Argentina in terms of performance and availability. Read full article


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  • Dirk Dikkler

    The never ending saga of Argentina`s quest for fighter jets! when will this end!!!

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Either Argentina can't afford the jets, or it won't be able to pay for constant training, maintenance, upgrades etc.

    If a third generation jet goes against a typhoon or F35, there's only one outcome.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Steve Potts

    Dirk Dikkler

    Perhaps they'll end up buying the Fokker Triplane?

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pugol-H

    Well, they will need the Armoured Vehicles to put down the rebellion in Wallmapu.

    Although unlikely they will be able to afford them, as well as the 156 Guarani armoured vehicles they are already negotiating to buy from Brazil.

    As far as the planes are concerned, most unlikely that will happen.

    ‘Argentina’s president has ruled out the possibility of procuring supersonic fighter jets for the country’s Air Force in the short term.’

    ‘In an interview with the Financial Times’s “Global Boardroom” program last week, Alberto Fernandez was asked about the aircraft program, saying “there are other priorities before buying weapons, definitely.”

    “There are no war problems, peace is the common denominator between us,” he added, referring to South American nations.’

    Obviously he doesn’t see the S. Atlantic as a threat, or maybe he thinks it’s already Argentinian territory.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    I read a few days ago that Pakistan is sorely embarrassed by the Jf-17's Chinese engines having bad habits like falling apart. Would suit Argentina perfectly.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pugol-H

    Probably wouldn’t be a big problem to them, as they won’t have the fuel or pilots to fly them very often anyway.

    The Chinese will tell them, ‘nah, they’re not falling out of the Sky, it’s how they land, Chinese version of STVL capable, it’s just that the Pakistanis didn’t realise that'.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • gamakin

    Have it on very good authority that the possible purchase is fake news. A pity because if Argentina got round to overcoming its crises and made the armed services operationally credible, negotiations, so long postponed, would follow in no time.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Tænk

    Sr. Guillermo Makin

    Como compatriota “Senior” de Ud. (a juzgar por su foto)..., y sin decir “Con Todo Respeto” como tanto se usa hoy en día (para terminar puteando a nuestras respectivas madres)...

    Quisiera preguntarle como le parece que nos fué..., la última vez que tuvimos unas operacionalmente creibles “Farsas Armadas” comandadas por un borracho crónico al qué sus comandantes Yankees en la Escuela de las Americas (SOA) en Panamá gustaban llamar...: “Nuestro Patton Sudamericano”...?

    Leopoldo Fortunato era su gracia...
    Se acuerda...?

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Bud Spencer

    Veo que el troll infantil ha vuelto.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs

    Bah ha ha ha!

    The latest plan to reinvigorate the Argy Air Force. Is this another copy and paste or is it actually a new idea?

    Bah ha ha ha ha. Oh damn, I just peed myself…


    @ Mercopress. Please delete the posts in Spanish above from the deadbeat. #EnMercopress

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Argentine citizen

    @brasherboot of course the f 35 or the typhon are superior planes to a jf17...

    The goal is to have an inexpensive maintenance plane, to keep the pilots trained. The JF17 is still a good plane with AESA radar, and the best missile in the world currently, the PL-15, similar to the meteor.

    The ideal would be about 50 fighters before 2040. They are simply to apply peaceful pressure.
    You have 3 typhon eurofighters (too much work for 3 fighters).. ideally, the plan would be to increase your defense spending X3..
    Of course the ₤1500M a year for island defense maintenance is a drop in the uk budget, but we have come to realize that it hurts the middle class citizens of the uk to spend it.. discontent that has already raged planted in part of the labor party, when before the budget issue was not even mentioned..
    So, a drop here, a drop there, other drops in the Ukraine, it all adds up to hurt the pockets of the middle class where it hurts.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Brasileiro

    The Chinese media already takes the sale of fighter jets to Argentina for granted. The payment can be made in up to ten years, in yuan or even soybeans.

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Bud Spencer

    Argentine Citizen, keep up the pressure, ? when will you finally understand that the islands will never be under pressure from Argentina ever again. your own government said they will NEVER try to take the islands by force, are they lying again ?, the air defences that are on the islands are more than enough to deter any Argentine approach any where near the islands, the 4 Typhoons on the islands are more than a match for 12 of your future planes, its not difficult to reinforce, even if they were needed, a full squadron would easily be deployed, put these silly fantasies in your head, Argentina will never pressurise the islanders in to submission, another deluded fantasy, oh and by the way look up Britains next generation fighter plane, bras you said you are for piece is that another lie , war is all you have ever talked about since joining the site,

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tænk

    Mr. Brasileiro...

    - Even if Argentina has become kind of a Soyabean Republic (Sorry..., too cold for Bananas ;-), a big expenditure of this kind MUST BE INCLUDED in our Yearly National Budget and APPROVED by both our Parliament and our Senate...

    - I'm happy to inform you that there is no expenditure of this kind included in our 2023 National budget nor any plans to include such in our 2024 Budget...

    In short..., we aint buying no fighter jets from nobody...
    Neither in Yuans..., not in soybeans..., nor in comfy..., colorful &warm woolen sweaters knitted in Brasiloche for Brasileiros... ;-)


    Mar 16th, 2023 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Juan Cervantes

    A sensible comment from senor Taenk, has the world gone mad,

    Mar 16th, 2023 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pugol-H

    Sr. Guillermo Makin
    Don’t kid yourself.

    Of course Argentina has to upgrade its defence capabilities, especially as it currently has next to none.

    However depending upon the threat posed to the British S. Atlantic/Antarctic territories by any such changes, will depend the future British military deployments in the S. Atlantic.

    Negotiations will not be the outcome, a military build-up will be and there will be only be one winner.

    Your concern is quite touching, however you can let us worry about our defence budget and the Labour party with its leader, ‘the human bollard’.

    I would suggest you need to concern yourself with Argentina’s endemic corruption and 102.5% inflation rate, which must hurt you far more than the 0.5% of the defence budget we spend defending British territory in the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.


    Mar 16th, 2023 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gamakin

    I am fully aware of the need to resolve crises before planning negotiations. I remind you that Lord Shackleton pointed out that the islands were neither economically nor demographically feasible without a connection with Argentina, and that to effect it the anti-Argentine prejudice, fully represented in this exchange, has to be overcome. Not obligatory but to see I am far form deluded read “Las crisis politicas argentinas: estructure institucional y patrones de comportamiento”, Ed, Dunken, Buenos Aires 2019. Besides the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee dis not seek my views because they regarded me as deluded. So much so that they accepted my reccomendations and concluded that “leaseback was the most elegant solution”. The deluded are the islanders that think this current synthetic state of affairs will last forever. At some stage the UK will come to a realistic compromise.

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • darragh


    Referencing the Shackleton report from more than half a century ago just demonstrates the level of delusion amongst Argentines. Haven't you noticed that the world including the FI economy etc has moved on?

    I realise that Argentina is slipping more and more into a failed state but is really the best you can do?

    For goodness sake grow up and let the Falkland Islanders live the life they want and not what the failed Argentine South Atlantic Empire wishes to impose on them.

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    “The plan would be to increase your defense spending X3”, Just another fantasy

    “The cost of defending the Islands is currently met by Her Majesty's Government, and is estimated to amount 0.177% of the total UK Defence budget annually. Beyond the cost of defence, the Falkland Islands do not receive any further financial assistance from the United Kingdom”.

    “How much did the Falklands War cost(Argentina)?”

    “However, somewhere around 1988, Bernardo Grispun, an economy minister for the Alfonsín government, reportedly made a calculation of the direct costs of the war, though the details of the scope of this cost estimate are unclear.
    In 1988 dollars, it was apparently about US$5 billion in materiel costs, plus another US$1 billion spent by Argentina during the latter part of 1982 in attempts to replace materiel lost during the war”

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Can you imagine spending $6bn on trying to remove 3000 could have offered them $2m each !!

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    America is not going to expel anyone. We only want what's ours. The Islands are from America, not Europe!

    With regard to fighters, the sale and transfer of technology are in full swing. The NBD (Bank of the BRICS) is mediating the financial issues.

    The President of the BRICS Bank will be the former president of Brazil, Dilma Roussef, who will assume the role in a few days

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Juan Cervantes

    What pathetic nonsense you are talking Brazil, the islanders are no less South American than you Portuguese Brazilians or the Spanish.Italian Argentinians idiotic, talk, senor Taenk as already said they are not buying fighter planes, BRICS is not there to bankroll a bankrupt Argentina, you really do need to get educated, we want what is ours ?, give the land back to the natives that you stole it from and go back to Portugal were your lot came from,

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    We will not leave a future member of the BRICS unattended. If Argentina wants to have the fighters, Argentina will.

    And there will be absolutely nothing that European arrogance can do.

    So scratch Your Majesty's taxpayer pockets, because the Kingdom is crumbling!

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Juan Cervantes

    Were you born stupid or are you in training, you are clueless about world politics , clueless about world history and clueless about Argentinian finances and what BRICS is there for, its not to buy fighter aircraft for Argentina you blithering baffoon, the only arrogance on show is the nasty little racist European Portuguese Brazilian who has never said anything sensible yet, so take some of your own advice and go shove a banana up were the sun dont shine,

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Brasileiro


    No argument. Just personal aggression.

    Really, you're right, I can't answer.

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Juan Cervantes

    As said before, take a weeks holiday, and go study world politics, world history and world finances, and what BRICS is really for,

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    You didn't attack me in the last post. It just lacked arguments.

    What can you say about an eventual purchase of Chinese JF fighters by Argentina?

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • gamakin

    The view by Shackleton is not in the report, hus was a statement in the course of an interview in 1983.

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juan Cervantes

    If Argentina wants to buy fighter jets, then that is their choice, the country is corrupt and bankrupt, inflation over 100 %, , jets are very expensive to buy and very expensive to keep opperational, one squadron is probably what they will have, but what they do buy will be no match for todays top planes or future ones in the pipeline, BRICS is a trade block nothing more, it is to ease trade between countries just like NAFTA and the EU, i believe there is a South East Asian one too, if you think they will ever be in a position to attack the Falklands then its pure fantasy, BRICS is not a bank to buy military equipment for Argentina,

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Very good! Congratulations, Cervantes!

    If it's your intention to ask me something, I'll be here for another 45 minutes.

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juan Cervantes

    Senor Gamkin, what ever Shackleton said is irrelevant, the new airport at Mount Pleasant has rendered Argentina obsolete, the islanders need nothing from Argentina any more, friendliness from them would be better but not important, the islands will continue to grow and prosper,

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Brasileiro

    Argentina is important for the whole world. Not just for the Islands.

    I say more, if Argentina did not exist, planet Earth would lose almost three million square kilometers. I don't even want to talk about the human lives that would not exist, their culture, football cups, music, books, movies... life.

    What can the Islands offer?

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Juan Cervantes

    Does any country have to offer something,? what does North Korea, Peru. Iran Belgium, Sudan, Slovakia and so on offer, what they do is offer a home, and that is what the Falklands offer, a safe free society to bring up a family with a good standard of living, 250 Chileans live happily there and they dont like Argentina,

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    “What can the Islands offer?”

    The contrast of success.

    Mar 17th, 2023 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pugol-H

    Sr. Guillermo Makin
    Shackleton was a long time ago, the world has changed a lot since then.

    If nothing else the last 50 years have proved, beyond any doubt, that the development of the Islands is progressing apace, without any connection to Argentina.

    No Argentina, no problem.

    ‘Anti-Argentine prejudice’, I wonder why that is??

    You deny they are a people and therefore their right to exist and therefore their rights to self-determination and therefore their right to their land and you wonder why they hate you. Shocker.

    This is what Tovarishch Putin says about Ukraine and surprise, surprise Tovarishch Putin is not very popular in Ukraine either. Capishhh.

    This ‘prejudice’ is only overcome when you respect people’s rights, liberties and stop threatening them.

    So long as you talk of ‘implanted population’ (a joke coming from Argentina, the most implanted population in the modern world and most of it after 1833) and ‘exercising full sovereignty’ over someone else’s territory then your only reward will be to have missiles pointed at you.

    I will check out this ‘Las crisis politicas argentinas: estructure institucional y patrones de comportamiento”, Ed, Dunken, Buenos Aires 2019’. For the sake of balance and come back to you.

    ‘Lease back’, LOL, again the world has moved on, a long, long way since then, this has not been considered an option for more than 50 years, at least.

    The ‘state of affairs’ is evolving and developing all the time, but it is doing it without any input or influence from Argentina. Deluded is thinking that you are, or will be, involved in the S. Atlantic in any way, shape or form.

    Sorry to have to put matters so bluntly and I mean no personal offence to yourself, but you are living in a dream world that does not reflect the reality on the ground.


    Mar 18th, 2023 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • imoyaro

    Can't wait until they find out about the kill switches in mid flight...

    Mar 18th, 2023 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs


    What a brilliant post, thanks so much for your contribution. The hypocrisy of these people is off the scale and the amount of international laws they break against us every day is something most of the world do not realise.

    We have no choice but to just carry on and, as such, many of their breaches just become normal to us. Being big believers in a just outcome eventually we always choose not to break international law, standards and protocols ourselves in response but it is little wonder some in my community lose faith in that stance.


    Mar 18th, 2023 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    The inhabitants of the islands are not a people, they arrived there after usurping the islands from a friendly country, if we are like this it is because of the intransigence of the United Kingdom since 1833.
    The contradictory thing is that the islanders support Ukraine, a country that has its territory taken over by Russia, just as the United Kingdom did with Argentina.
    Sooner rather than later, the United Kingdom will have to sit at the negotiating table and they know it.
    Meanwhile, anti-Argentine and anti-British sentiment must be put aside and agreements on communications, technology, transportation, commerce, tourism, sports, and environmental preservation must be reached.
    For a moment you have to put aside the differences to be pragmatic.

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Tænk

    Mr. Jo Bloggs...

    You say above...:
    - ”We (Kelpers N.A.) always choose not to ourselves in response but it is little wonder some in my community lose faith in that stance...”

    I ask...:
    - Are you mayhaps referring to those wery few squidllonaires in your community that by breaking international laws, standards and protocols got all of ya squatters on them windblown Islands into the Spanish blacklist of Non-Cooperative Tax Havens.., with good posibilities of making it into the European Union blacklist of Non-Cooperative Tax Havens later this year...?


    Mar 20th, 2023 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Brasileiro

    Everything is following protocols.

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Bud Spencer

    Brazil your obsessed with Chinese planes and BRICS. it will not affect the Falklands one bit,

    Senor Taenk how about you Spanish squatters give back the land that you stole from the native population and return back to Europe, Tax Havens, million times more corruption in Buenos Aires than Stanley, have a day off,

    1833 , repeating the same lies again that have been debunked by various posters on this site, the Falklands are here to stay,, end of story, keep dreaming your life away ,

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh


    Personally I don't give two funkies mucks about what did or didn't happen 200 years ago.

    Time for Argentina to stop being so childish and allow the Falkland islanders to live the lives they want to.

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juan Cervantes

    Well said Darragh,

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Our interest is not to reach the Islands. It is to strengthen the Argentine position.

    Reaching the Falkland Islands or not will depend on the Argentine will.

    Brazil's interest is the continental partnership with Argentina.

    Brazil will do everything in support of Argentina. Everything Argentina wants in that sense. Argentina will never be isolated. Argentina can have all the weapons in the world. Argentina is Brazil's great ally.

    Our sister!

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Jo Bloggs
    You’re welcome, one does ones best.

    The islands became British in 1690 and were not ‘usurped’ from anyone.

    ‘Intransigence’, oh no, conviction the British are right and entirely right in this.

    Of course they support Ukraine, Tovarishch Putin denies the Ukrainians right to exist, just as you deny the Islanders right to exist.

    Russia is occupying Ukrainian territory, exactly the same as you want to occupy the Islanders territory.

    There will be no negotiations, you just haven’t realised that yet.

    ‘Anti-Argentine sentiment’ will not change until Argentina changes and I see no prospect of that, as your posts clearly demonstrate.

    There will be no agreements, this is the pragmatic approach, no Argentina, no problems. An approach which the economic data proves to be the correct one.

    Falklands GDP per capita $ 70,800 number 12 on the list, Argentina’s GDP per capita $20,900 number 86 on the list.

    Come back when you have something to offer, other than threats, lies and spurious claims to other people’s territory.

    Good luck with that.

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bud Spencer


    Brazil does not care less about the Falklands,, its unimportant ,you live in a fantasy world, strengthen Argentinas position for what ? their lying claim to the Falklands, another fantasy,
    As your own government says the UK is an important partner to Brazil, neither economically or military can the Falklands be pressurised by Argentina ever again, you are living in a fantasy world, the best thing Argentina can do is grow up and be friendly then they may be invited to share in the oil exploration with good paying jobs for Argentine people if it ever happens,

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Negotiate. Brazil can help with negotiations.

    If a negotiation between you is not possible, we have a side: Argentina.

    Therefore, we will not intrude. We have side.

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bud Spencer

    Braz, You personally might have a side, the Brazilian government is not interested, UK relations with Brazil have always been fairly good, for example we sold a modern Helicopter carrier to you, Brazil and Argentinas relationship on the other hand has been poor many times. you really do need to get an education about how the world works, Negotiate?, what is to negotiate, how about you negotiating giving up some of your land to Argentina, get a grip man, Argentina knows it will never get the islands but use it as a side step to deflect how badly their country is run, (wake up for goodness sake)

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Brasileiro

    The United Kingdom and the USA are powerful friends of Brazil. And truth.

    But Argentina is our sister. It's our family.

    It would be good for the United Kingdom to realize that my Argentina exists.

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Malvinense 1833

    @bud spencer
    --you were a small break away region from the Spanish empire thousands of miles way from the Falklands, you inherited nothing---
    Can you tell me how far is the UK from the islands?
    Argentina is also a very important partner for the Unitd Kingdom and Brazil as a power is interested in the islands because it could not have an extracontinental power in its area of ​​influence in the South Atlantic.

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Bud Spencer

    1833, the islands were claimed by Britain long before you existed, the claim was never given up, yes Britain and Spain had issues , but the UP were never in the game, you just continue repeating the same old stuff that has been debunked time and time again

    Braz, Argentina is no sister of Brazil, Argentina is jealous of Brazil because they have overtaken them as the number 1 economic power in South America, as for recognising Argentina exists, thats a very silly thing to say, the UK has always recognised Argentina, thats why you have embassies, many Argentine Rugby and Football players reside in the UK and are treated with respect and decency, why you choose to believe a pack of lies is beyond me, go research,

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Brasileiro


    The islanders talk about quality of life. Great. The quality of life in Argentina is better than in Brazil.

    Economic power without income distribution is Slavery!

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Malvinense 1833

    @Mr. Pugol

    The Russians are doing with Ukraine the same thing that the United Kingdom did with Argentina, taking away territory.
    The islanders support Ukraine logically they should support Argentina.
    I suppose that the islanders should support the Russians who inhabit the Donbas, Crimea, Zaporizhia region, they have the right to self-determination...

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Bud Spencer

    To equate the Ukraine situation as the same as the Falklands is stark raving bonkers, not even remotely the same,

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Brasileiro

    I will remove privacy from my playlist.

    Thursday, 23

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    “Russians are doing with Ukraine the same thing that the United Kingdom did with Argentina”

    With the caveat that what the UK did was legal under international law, without any loss of life. Whereas, Russia is in absolute violation of the UN Charter and thus present-day international law.

    ”The General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modern prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created ‘prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law’.
    Akehurst's Modern Introduction to International Law by Peter Malanczuk

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Argentine citizen

    @TH In the question of the Malvinas Islands there was no conquest in 1833... there was no declaration of war, and invoking the conquest self-destructs the “supposed” English argument that they already had sovereignty before 1833... because you cannot conquer something that is supposed to be yours.
    what you did for international law is an occupation by force, as your own diplomats from the foregging office well recognized. the same thing that russia does today in ukraine

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Bud Spencer

    AC, the islands were already claimed, you know that and the United Provinces new that, they were warned twice in advance not to send the military and warned again to leave after they landed, the soldiers were peacefully evicted, but you know that as you have been given the facts over and over again, your claim would never stand up in any court, but you know that too, give it a rest for goodness sake,

    Mar 20th, 2023 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    “There was no declaration of war, and invoking the conquest self-destructs the “supposed” English argument that they already had sovereignty before 1833.“

    They did hold sovereignty as the Americans told you when you made an appeal to them that the UK was in violation of the Monroe Doctrine. Which they weren’t.

    “There was no conquest in 1833... there was no declaration of war”

    Hans Kelsen, in his book General theory of law and state he writes:
    ”if the conquest is firmly established. Taking possession through military force of the territory of another State against the latter's will is possible, however, without any military resistance on the part of the victim. Provided that a unilateral act of force performed by one State against another is not considered to be war in itself (war being, according to traditional opinion, “a contention between two or more States through their armed forces” and hence at least a bilateral action) annexation is not only possible in time of war, but also in time of peace. The decisive point is that annexation, that is, taking possession of another State's territory with the intention to acquire it, constitutes acquisition of this territory even without the consent of the State to which the territory previously belonged, if the possession is “firmly established.” It makes no difference whether the annexation takes place after an occupatio bellica or not.”

    You cannot conquer …. what you did for international law is an occupation by force.”
    Equivocation, conquest is according to my dictionary the subjugation and assumption of control of a place or people by use of military force:

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Brasso, the Zé Ramalho tune you ought to be singing is this one...,vid:Ulc8LBEXeNM

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh


    When will you and Argentina stop acting like small children

    The difference between Ukraine and the FI should be obvious to even someone as uneducated as you.

    The FI want to retain their ties to the UK, Ukraine wants the Russians to feck off.

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @Terence Hill
    Sir Malcolm Robertson
    “As regards the Falkland Islands, I have always considered, ever since reading de Bernhardt's Foreign Office memorandum of December, 1910, that our claim to the islands was very weak indeed. In point of fact it is based upon force and very little else. This view appears to have been held by successive British governments since Lord Palmerston's days, for they have been at pains to avoid the question's being raised. I realised that the islands are of vital strategic value to us, and that we cannot give them up, however just or unjust our position may be”.

    Very very clear.

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Bud Spencer

    1833, just one mans opinion who clearly didnt have the facts, the UK has clowns as well as Argentina, for the life of me i can not understand why you waste so much time on this subject, its pointless, the Falklands are here to stay and will still be here in 200 years time unless mankind has devastated the planet and no one survives, who knows what technology will have been created in the future, Argentina has no chance of claiming the islands unless they islanders choose that path,

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “I have always considered, ever since reading de Bernhardt's Foreign Office memorandum of December, 1910, that our claim to the islands was very weak indeed.”

    We have the view of a bureaucrat who may have no formal legal training, or the opinion an expert who has.

    “The jurist Rosalyn Higgins President of ICJ arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: “No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentina’s acquiescence.” 1
    1. Rosalyn Higgins, “Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    I think that all of us involved will be calmer when this controversy can be resolved for all parties.
    One hundred and ten million people cannot be held hostage by three thousand people.
    Look, Darragh, as far as Ukraine is concerned, I put it exactly the other way around, the Russian inhabitants of the Donbas, Crimea, Kherson, Zaporizhia, etc., want to belong to Russia, they do not want to be Ukrainians and they hope that the English, French, Americans who support Ukraine begin their withdrawal.
    What do you think?

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  • Bud Spencer

    1833, reality check, 3000 islanders are holding no one hostage, it is your government that is bullying them, but unfortunately they have a big brother that will forever keep them safe. and since when has Argentina had 110 million people, its resolved whether you accept it or not, that is the facts,
    Russia signed up to Ukraines borders, in return Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal, there were no problems until an evil man set his greedy eyes on Ukraine and whipping up nationalistic bullshit, oh and why was his column of tanks storming towards Kiev, to take over the whole country thats what, In Putins own words, i dont recognise Ukraine as a country, the Soviet Union created it and it is for us to do what we want with it, so by your reckoning Spain can undo your country, you are so so wrong about everything,

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  • Pugol-H

    Simply not in the real world, Mate.

    ‘Can you tell me how far is the UK from the islands’.

    About the same distance as Argentina is from southern Europe where your forefathers came from.

    ‘Argentina is also a very important partner for the United Kingdom’.

    No, in a word, Argentina is not at all important to the UK, Argentina in 2022 accounting for 0.1% of total UK trade.

    And there are no other meetings/discussions or negotiations of any kind, on any subject, going on.

    The Russians are trying to do in Ukraine what Argentina did in S. America.

    And wants to do in the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.

    ‘cannot be held hostage by three thousand people’.

    Heard this before:

    ‘Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages’. — Julio Argentino Roca.

    That’s why the British military base is there, it maintains the status quo, keeps Argentina within its boundaries and keeps the peace.

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  • Juan Cervantes

    What world does Malvi live in, 3000 people holding 110 million hostage ? who tries to bully who .? and fails, who tries to isolate who ? and fails, Argentina needs to grow up fast , go to court with your so called evidence and be laughed at, your government is the problem not 3600 islanders,

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    *One hundred and ten million people cannot be held hostage by three thousand people.

    *The current population of Argentina is 46,315,707 as of Saturday, March 18, 2023, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data. Argentina 2020 population is estimated at 45,195,774 people at mid-year according to UN data.

    “What do you think?” Hey stupid, the definitive ruling is.

    “UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained .. self-government recognize the principle ..b. to develop self-government, ...”

    “A State which has ceased to exercise any authority over a territory cannot, by purely verbal protestations, indefinitely maintain its title against another which for a sufficiently long time has effectively exercised the powers and fulfilled the duties of sovereignty in it.''(Theory and Reality in International Law, de Visscher, 1957, p201).

    While the US army considers.
    “... However, since this was such a long period of time, exceeding eighty years … this was a sufficient period to extinguish Argentina's claim in spite of her diplomatic protests.
    “Great Britain has acquired title to the Islands by extinctive prescription Argentina did not take advantage of the available international bodies for peaceful adjudication of the disputed title.
    6. Comparison sf the Competing Claims of Argentina and GB
    Regardless of the conclusion reached above, however, the establishment of the world courts changed the situation so that diplomatic protests were no longer sufficient to keep Argentina's claim to sovereignty alive.”
    The Falklands (Malvinas) Islands: An International Law Analysis of the Dispute Between Argentina and Great Britain Major James Francis Gravelle
    Pamphlet NO. 27-100-107 HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY; Washington, D.C., Winter 1985

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  • darragh


    First of all there is no controversy over the FI except in the minds of deluded Argentine nationalists.

    Secondly, in what way are 110 million people (whoever they are) being held 'hostage' (your word) by 3,000.

    I think you have no evidence for your claims about small areas of Ukraine but so what? The areas you describe are occupied by Russian forces and Russian backed forces.

    The FI have made it very clear for a couple of hundred years that they wish to retain their links to the UK. Before you get all excited and say the UK is occupying the FI in the same way as the Russians in a small area of Ukraine they are not. The FI is dependent on the UK for defence against the bullies from the Argentine South Atlantic Empire.

    However, this is all irrelavent the people of the FI have stated their preference and it's time for Argentina to grow up and stop acting like a five year old having a tantrum.

    No need to reply as your ridiculous opinions are of no interest to me.

    Mar 21st, 2023 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tænk


    04:48 minutes of reality immersion for them Brainwashed Anglo Turnips by an Non Brainwashed Anglo...

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  • Juan Cervantes

    Taenk. grow up you silly little boy,

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  • Malvinense 1833

    I was referring to the approximate population of the UK and Argentina.
    I don't understand why they are so nervous.
    @ bud spencer I wish the same thing as you, the end of the problem and if this did not end it is because of the intransigence of the United Kingdom from minute zero.
    Darragh, don't worry, you have every right not to read or answer what I write. Greetings.

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  • Pugol-H

    ‘Mendoza, Argentina, several communities belonging to the Mapuche people—have come together in the Malalweche Territorial Identity Organization to defend their rights, way of life and territorial integrity’.

    ‘Territorial Integrity’ eh, like it.

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    They are not originally from Argentina, they can take their organization to Chile.

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bud Spencer

    1833, no one is remotely nervous, why do you even think that, the islanders need nothing from Argentina, Intransigence ?. what are you talking about ?. the islanders are happy to talk to Buenos Aires, its your right wing nationalists that refuse, on behalf of the islanders the UK was talking to Buenos Aires, then you went and elected an extremist government that has tried to bully the islanders, Let me make it clear and simple, no matter what government is in power in the UK, they will not allow Argentina to take over the islands unless the islands wish so, no amount of your so called pressure will change that, it is the islanders home, they decide their future, not the UK and certainly not Argentina, Buenos Aires has only one outcome in mind and that is transfer of sovereignty, what is the point of talking, its not going to happen, the best thing that your awful politicians can do is drop the pointless stupid aggression, show some decency respect and friendship to them for the next 60 years and then they may think Argentina can be trusted, is that simple enough, ?

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  • Brasileiro

    Everything is negotiable. Except an extra-regional power posing as 3500 people to spread power over 500 million people.

    South America has 500 million inhabitants. That question is still undecided because we don't have military strength, nor enough unity, to keep you English away.

    Of the two, one: China will always prevail and England will be forgotten; or
    China and England will be able to live together in equal conditions in our America.

    Our America is the largest producer of food and commodities in the world. And most likely my grandchildren will be part of the greatest military, economic and social power on this planet.

    Our energy is green. We have sun and rain. We produce more oxygen than the whole world combined.

    And England will stay out of it.

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ bud spencer
    And what do you think of shared sovereignty?

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bud Spencer

    Brasil, talking war again,? do you really think that the whole of south America is going to join together and attack the islands, pure deluded fantasy, not going to happen, China will prevail, ? more blithering nonsense, China will not go to war economic or military wise for any country in South America, their military is unproven and not capable of war away from their homeland and now their economy is in decline, England will stay out of what ? the UK is the country not England is not involved in your homeland, what they are dong is defending the right of self determination for the islanders which you try to deny them, just like we did for Belize and their bullying neighbour, your grandchildren will be part of the greatest economic and military power on the planet, more gibbering nonsense, you cant even get on with each other, so keep your Brazilian nose out of something that does not concern you. you live in la la land, think carefully before you post sill nonsense,

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Like I said: we're going to keep screwing you Brits. You will not be able to do any more business with us.

    As long as the Malvinas are under English rule, you won't eat a slice of the cake.

    Shell say so!

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Bud Spencer

    Brasil. you really are a strange man, there is no screwing going on now and there will not be any in the future, you are quite immature with you anti British rants, i couldnt care less if Britain or the Falklands do any trade with racists like you, Brazil has no interest in your neighbours squabble .not wasting any more time with you or your aggressive attitude,

    1833, in principle i have nothing against joint sovereignty in the future , but things have to change massively and much time has to pass, but its not for me to dictate the islands future,If the evil lunatic Galtieri had not invaded joint ownership may ??? have happened, but many rules regulations and laws would have had to be invoked, time can heal wounds but while you keep electing lunatic nationalists in government the chances of that happening move further and further away, Britain gets nothing out of the Falklands and along with the other BOT territories can have independence any time they want. they choose their own path, the islands continue to grow and prosper, one of your clueless politicians said at the turn of the century that the islands will be Argentinian in 20 years, how wrong he was, countries like Chile. Uruguay and Brazil despite the crazy rants of the racist above will continue to be friendly with the islanders and the uk,

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    I'm still going to waste time with you. I love wasting time.

    By the way, you and your Brit friends is all I have to offer in my archeology classes.

    But that doesn't mean I'm going to take them out of the multiverse they live in. My dear little mice.

    They'll starve and be cold whenever I want. They will fight and die. They will suffer. They'll look for something to cling to. They will cry.

    There's one thing you Brits will never stop being: REBEL ARGENTINIANS

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Juan Cervantes

    What a clueless silly little racist you are Brasileiro, an embarrassment to your country, one day you may pass puberty and become a man,

    Mar 22nd, 2023 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @Bud Spencer
    Thank you for your answer, I partially agree.
    I know it is very difficult but it is preferable to build bridges and not walls.

    Mar 23rd, 2023 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    They are more original to S. America than you are!!!

    Mate, you need to get some help, or check your algorithm, your posts are becoming completely random and un-connected.

    Not that you ever did make much sense.

    Mar 23rd, 2023 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833


    You are wrong, we are here long before the “so-called british people”

    Mar 23rd, 2023 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Pugol-H

    No, we have been in the S. Atlantic/Antarctic at least as long as you have been in S. America.

    The difference is we didn’t steal the land from anyone, it was unexplored, unclaimed and uninhabited when we arrived, unlike Wallmapu.

    Anyway I was talking about the Mapuche, not the British.

    Mar 24th, 2023 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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