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Latam leaders in Bolivia support President Morales and blast European countries
Latin American leaders gathered in Bolivia on Thursday to back President Evo Morales, fuming after some European nations temporarily refused his plane access to their airspace amid suspicions US fugitive Edward Snowden was aboard. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLATAM leaders showing the world that they are clowns, and not ready to play in the grown up leagues.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0This 'incident' is totally the fault of Bolivia, and LATAM are just embarrassing themselves before the whole world by giving it more attention.
I was thinking that 2013 was going to be a boring year for Latam comedy politics, but just like our British summer, it has arrived late.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of arriving late, I wonder why KFC's plane got her to the hugging ceremony late, she would have missed a Botox treatment for an oppurtunity like this.
I've not heard her come up with a creative Falklands connection to this debacle yet, I'm sure it's coming, she had better hurry though.
Europe is nothing but a bunch of puppet nation to the rogue state that USA is
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0From a house with backyard to a shared apartment (with Mexicans). You got to love the route USA is taking :)
It is curious that EU leaders have expressed great concern at the revelations that the US was spying on them, yet they were prepared to illegally detain the Bolivian President, (which is what it was), on the suspicion that the whistleblower who revealed the information was on the plane.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Jul 05th, 2013 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you seriously believe that other EU countries are not doing the same thing and thinking, there but for the grace of god we. I think we have learned from Latam politics that what governments say publicly for public consumption isn't always what they think behind closed doors.
... what they say .. and what they think ..
Jul 05th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brit, it's what they DID that is at issue here.
Think for a moment if this 'downing, detaining and searching' had been done to the British Prime Minister; or, in reverse, to the US President .. say, by the Cubans, or the Russians, or the South Africans, or the Chinese.
What would your argument be then?
“grow up” is the message that needs to be sent to any LATAM country trying to make a mountain out of this molehill.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0they look like a bunch of children.
This really was a shocking affront to the dignity of Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina. If these Countries have any self respect they must immediately sever diplomatic relations with USA, Spain, France, Portugal, Austria and Italy. They will lose out on trade and will never be allowed to overfly these Countries again but this is s small price to pay for honour. Apologies are simply not enough.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 GeoffWard2
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is NO evidence that what Bolivia states happened actually happened.
These are the FACTS.
Portugal told the Bolivian authorities that the Bolivian aircraft land couldn't land for refuelling due to technical difficulties a FULL 24 hours BEFORE the aircraft took off.
Because flight plans have to be made, and permission requested to fly through SOVEREIGN airspace, the fact that the aircraft could no longer land in Portugal ALTERED the FLIGHT PLAN.
Now the flight plan states how high, what direction and speed the aircraft will be doing. They are NOT allowed, for safety and security reasons, to change height, direction or speed UNLESS an emergency is declared. Then they will be guided in.
Now since the Bolivan authorities DID NOTHING to alter the flight plan since the Portugal incident, France and Spain denied them access to their airspace (which is THEIR right as SOVEREIGN nations to do - whomever is in that aircraft).
Then the Bolivian aircraft developed a fault with the fuel gauge and declared an emergency, and where given permission to land in Austria. The recordings between the pilot and control tower prove this.
The plane was GROUNDED over safety concerns, and had MAINTENENCE.
However the original problem was ALL the fault of Bolivia, who didn't file a new flight plan as they are supposed to do under international law.
So to cover their mistake, they are now using a spurious report by a hack journalist regarding Snowden, and claiming that they were refused because of him, when the truth is it is their own incompetence that has caused this.
The rest of LATAM are making fools of themselves, but we can always use a giggle every now and then.
6 GeoffWard2 (#)
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 05th, 2013 - 09:42 am
Shut it dick weed. Morons like you say he was downed , detained and searched. Evidence says his aircraft had a fuel problem and the pilot requested a divert. Just who the hell do you think you are kidding?
10 War Monkey (#) “Shut it dick weed. Morons like you”
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that really a helpful attitude to bring to a reasonable discussion. I have read nothing offensive or moronic in these posts so far, only people commenting on information or statements in the article, until your post.
Your post is an embarrassment to you. You need to consider a more mature approch in the future if you want ot be taken seriously.
#10 when an SA opens their mouth.....like the crying morales saying he was kidnapped, you can only expect lies.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0If he was kidnapped, does this mean SA cannot militarily protect their leaders?
The BEAVer nations (Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina and Venezuela) of Latam need to stick together otherwise they could get screwed.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 011 Audi Consilium (#)
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:34 am
A victim mentality mantra repeated ad infinitum does not a reasonable discussion make.
The evidence is stacked up against these claims, they are bogus and acting as though they haven't even been challenged is as moronic as it is pathetic. Evidence. Remember that word. Google it. Evidence.
I'm just curious, does the LatAm outrage over this denial of overflight clearance of soverign territory for one aircraft once this year extend to the decade long ban on charter flights crossing Argentine airspace to get to and from the Falklands?
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or are they just hypocrits.
Evo is threatening to close the US Embassy in La Paz...
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0and I say so?
Who cares?
These tin pot dictators never seem to learn their place
No embassy No U$ funds and probably no exports..its not like we'll miss The Made in Bolivia crap here.
You all go on and on ! Please read what LEPRecon says in 9 . That is a fact , and no discussion . Unasur are using this as an excuse to attack the US and Europe . Do some of you really believe idiots like Correa , Morales , Mujica and Kirchner ?
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Spain refuses to apologize as they said they never denied air space so there is nothing to apologize over.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone confirm that Snowden is still in Russia ! who knows what compartments these Latam leaders have on their aircraft and would the Austrian authorities spot him . He could well be in Bolivia now... but If it was a rumor made up by Evo Morales ! then why has the French president apologized about conflicting information about another passenger on the aircraft........
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re @13
Jul 05th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beaver nations, could get screwed.
Love it.
Best for a long time!
Morales should thank them for saving his life. His foreign minister has said his life was put at risk because of a potential shortage of fuel so there was no way he would be able to get across the Atlantic.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a storm in a teacup! Correa is stirring things up in order to be accepted as the replacement of Chávez¡
Jul 05th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their aircraft has a 4000 mile range.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 04000 miles is a bloody long way by European standards.
There must have been a snag with the gauges, what sort of a pilot takes a plane into the air with his countries leader on board and with insufficient fuel load for safety?
I take it their airforce uses their best pilots for this type of duty, most do!
Aaahhh, so that's what the President of Bolivia looks like! He has come a long way since starring in popular TV cop show 'chips'.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still not quite as famous or important as then on the world stage though.
I wonder...if David Cameron was refused permission to fly over Bolivia would there be bigotted graffiti, flag burnings and rock throwing? I think not.
Pathetic.
Complaining to the UN Human Rights Commission.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because of a 13 hour layover in a European airport, luxury accommodation no doubt, wanting for nothing.
In a world where large numbers of people are being killed, maimed and tortured in the most brutal fashion, on a daily basis.
Some perspective please.
Well said.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again CFK put her oar into it, taking the limelight,
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Calling these European countries imperialistic ex empires,
No doubt she will demand military action ha ha .
No seriously chaps,
Why don’t they just break of relations with the European countries?
Stop trading with them, refuse all future moneys, and pay back what they owe,
Bla blab la,
Or just look at it as an innocent error.
Stop crying the victim,
After all, the way some South American countries treat innocent people, they are the last to complain about human rights.
.ps//ps//ps//
aparently she was very upset that she could not bring the brits into it,
poor cow, moo
9#
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will await the info from a whistleblower for the veracity of what you post, shall we?Or take it from you that no plane flew over portugals air space and no plane got fuelled?
Really you believe anything that suit you.Or more to the point,any story that deflects attention from the facts.The plane was refused permission from 4 countries in Europe.Not from a host of other countries.
Get real and stop posing as an intelligent and fair poster
Look on the bright side, the more they insult and denigrate certain governments in Europe, the better for the Islanders.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least it gives the Europeans first hand experience of what the islanders have to deal with every single day of their life's.
Also a really fine example of why the islanders chose not to be governed by loonies living in their Bolivarian puzzle palaces.
We came here to cuddle our brothers, shit boys, check for your wallets!
Apparently the French did say sorry..publicly
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So they apologised for what they said was an administrative error.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not think they apologised for denying him access to their airspace.
Two different things entirely.
But they will not see it that way.
@3 Do try to get things in the right perspective. For some unaccountable reason, latam states twirl on the argie thumb. One questions why. Do they enjoy the argie thumb in their arse? Are they looking to be stretched so thay can be humped by something more substantial? They are already accredited argie cock-suckers. Perhaps they could request argieland to perform millions of emasculations. Although most of them are pretty much emasculated already. Are they still working on the basis that shit floats?
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Perhaps European nations decided that a latino wannabe shouldn't be allowed to shield a criminal.
@6 You seem to forget that Bolivia is barely a “country”. It doesn't comply with international laws, so why should international laws apply to it?It's a place of criminals, similar to argieland, headed by Morales. The world is learning. Chances have been given. Latam tossers have decided on their own “route”. Don't try to use OUR laws to justify your illegality.
@8 Good idea. Cut the tossers off. Tossers? Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina.
@13 They are already screwed. What do you think their “governments” do?
@22 Please. what does faggot Correa have to do with this? Do you have trouble reading, comprehending, relating, copying?
@28 What a shame you are a brainless moron. In a couple of hundred years, you may achieve the status of “moron” without the “brainless”. But you shouldn't bet on it!
14 War Monkey (#)
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:42 am
“ Evidence. Remember that word. Google it. Evidence”
You are moving very slightly in the right direction, but you are still making sweeping offensive assumptions. I for one am very very conversant with the concept and use of evidence, and use it daily in a way that may seen alien to others, in other words in its neutral, legal, moral sense.
Keep trying, and you may actually post a comment that is neutral, honest, un offensive and which cuts to the heart of the matter, and this will make others listen and perhaps trust your judgement and comment.
I don't know about all Latam countries being outraged. The Chileans here are laughing at Morales, especially the 'kidnapped' remark.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regardless of what the ”4 BEAVer's think, it appears that the rest of the world really thinks this snowden clown is really one bad guy. Not even Iceland want's to take him in.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For some obscure reason, south American's relate terrorist hunting with leftist hunting of of the 70's in SA. Perhaps that is why SA has such a soft heart for the Taliban and Al Quada.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/05/us-usa-security-snowden-iceland-idUSBRE9640PS20130705
snowden....eventually Russia will give you up
He's ferked anyway cap! Because he can never ever return to the states and from what I know of you yanks, that must hurt!
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This asshole as given up his family, his future and his country for five minutes of fame, what a dickhead, you yanks are better off without him!
33 Audi Consilium (#)
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:34 pm
I have heard of a sweeping offensive statement but a sweeping offensive assumption is a new one on me. Afterall, I could make an assumption about you but keep it to myself leaving you no way of knowing if it was offensive or not.
Now I find it offensive that without evidence Geoff Ward has repeatedly stated, as fact, that all this happened just as it was reported by LATAM and as though there is no evidence to refute it and as though nobody has challenged it. If he continually refuses to accept that this story is 'alleged' rather than 'factual', I'll give it to him with both barrels. I'm sure he has broad enough shoulders to handle my admittedly colourful turn of phrase.
Cheers.
Spain has just admitted that they were told that Snowden was on the plane.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who told them and why did Spain react the way it did?
Also why has France apologised? For what exactly?
Alot of people on this forum would have fitted in well in 1930´s Germany.
Yeah. Most of the Malvinistas for a start.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RC......right or wrong of what the USA did, it would have come out and changed......but it is still metadata and they don't get that. snowden already admitted premediation in his actions. He gave up everything. We all like the comforts of our home country....something he will never have.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly, he can call himself an American, but he can never come back to America.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Knowing you yanks, I can not think of any worse punishment than exile.
Snowden you idiot! Was it worth it? I suspect you are going to find out?
I would not be surprised if some date down the road, you do not try to work a deal for your country to let you back. Ten too twenty would be my guess!
Please, don´t mix all the LA countries....There are some of them taht aren´t banana republics....like Colombia, Mexico, Peru, Chile (all of them from Pacific Alliance), very different way of acting with the Mercosur clowns...except Brazil that have been apart of this situation.....
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any country have the right by sovereignity to accept or not any airplane overflew its national air space not depending on who is the passenger on board....Many cases of drug smuggle and money laundering have been detected on diplomatic airplanes from those banana republics......
Well said and very, very true.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just an aside, check the photo: has the “Little Bird” of Venezuela crapped on Cowpats head?
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:o)
US Ambassador to Austria Reportedly Responsible for False Claim Snowden Was on Bolivian Leader’s Plane
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/07/05/us-ambassador-to-austria-reportedly-responsible-for-false-claim-snowden-was-on-bolivian-leaders-plane/
42 Sergio Vega. . So very true ! You forgot to mention the other normal country , Paraguay . Now not even in Mercosur !
Jul 05th, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europeans never learn. Sigh. 21st century and they still cannot bring themselves to show a basic respect to other non-european nati0ns.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@47 Tobias
Jul 06th, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Tobias, I'm going to take a leaf out of your book.
South American dictators never learn. Still don't show a basic respect to the native peoples whom they continue to marginalise, steal from, and murder. In fact, one would think that they are still living in the 19th century.
47. Toby, Respect is earned.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 048#
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobers was at 38.
The truthpa troll was at 47.
I thought you might have addressed tobers post.
Perhaps you did to yourself and admitted to yourself that it was inadequate to post and subconsciously focused on an irrelevant comment.
49#
Well you know that respect is earned and so you are still trying to reach it.
Try being more neutral as you approach subject and don't always assume that others are stupid.You might then start to gain some.
It's going to be a long road and I predict you will drop out of the journey.
21st century and they still cannot bring themselves to show a basic respect to other non-european nati0ns.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0south american despots know nothing of respect , hence why they receive it so often. the group of 4, aka the BEAV'ers, will never earn respect from the developed world becuase they still refuse to play by the rules. You SA'cans live and die by the adage........cut off your nose to spite your face.
tobi boi....did you mommy kick you off her nipple becuase it was sore, or did you get heat and electricity back in the dump of a e.coli shithole you call mendoza.......me missed you. Or did you finish your price patrol of the supermarkets? Did you have to turn in those lovely vests? What was it written on the back of the vests............to protect the public?
I don't assume everyone is stupid. Just the posters who continually prove themselves to be over and over and over again.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like you
So are you happy that it looks like CFK is going to confiscate the grains FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE and develop collective farms?
Of course she is @52. She has been planning it from the day she confiscated the trains to transport the grain. She cannot depend on the truck drivers as she has pissed them off. The only surprising element is that she actually planned anything.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that Mendoza province is having its credit rating reviewed for downgrading. Based on the fact that CFKs government is so unpredictable (I prefer 'raving-lunatics') that it is now impossible for provinces to govern effectively.
Well Brazil was not on board, so it can’t have been that interesting,
Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile also had no interest,
These fools always moan and complain about others disrespecting them,
But what about others that these four disrespect,
A storm in a tea cup,
And it will soon blow over..
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52#
Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have read another news item, have you?
Added 1 +2 and got an answer.Well done but is it the right answer?
Have you read that Snowden is now being offered asylum?
What happened to that fueling and maintenance story so aptly told on this thread.
55. Your post in nonsensical, try it in English next time.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if you want to talk about Snowden the best he could do is travel on a different passport so we can take him out under our terrorism laws with a simple signature.
Clickty boom
Here, in Standard English especially for you……..
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Snowden has been offered asylum in three countries, Bolivia, Venezuela and Nicaragua. :-)
So? Let him go live in any of those sh*thole countries, I don't really care.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My bet is he'll have an unfortunate accident sometime soon after arriving.
What happened to the fuel and maintenance story?Anyone?
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody else apart of the 4 countries is relly interested in “Morales kidnapp” , the only problem is that this populist guy now has the perfect excuse to reelect once again, but at the end of the day, the people have the govermment they deserve. Sad but true.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yankee....I thinking with those three offers.....he is seriously considering jail.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone hear from him?
Probably hiding in the La Paz Hilton
Smoke and mirrors, Yul; smoke and mirrors.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The truth will be deeply buried, and then the 'spin' will become the new 'truth'.
Feel sad for these great countries that they feel it necessary to cover their tracks with a web - a blanket - of lies.
They reckon he is still in russia,
Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0but they 3 countries i think are just doing this to get back at the USA , and nothing more,
yet that desicion could well backfire on them.
Cap
Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it was up to me, I would let him go, back off and give him enough rope, let him think interest has been lost in him.
Sooner or later, he will get pissed off, make a mistake, then you can pick him up easily.
I think it speaks a lot that the most liberal, yet democratic country, Iceland, did not consider his request for asylum before going on summer recess knowing full well it is a time sensitive matter. BUT........BEAV,ers came to the rescue......though I have not heard that Argentina offered asylum. Despite hating the government, I could live in Buenos Aires city.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once he is in South America what is stopping him from moving there? Let's be fair, say what you like about the Argentines, but some of their senoritas are real stunners.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, the one of the Beavers are bound to give him citizenship, would they stop a fellow “ brother” from freely travelling around their free nations?
Now that would be a story!
RC my wife is one and I am rather fond of her. But.....she is of Italian descent.........not indigenous. I am still not 100% convinced that he did not make his way to La Paz.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He would live like a nazi living in SA, planning every move, even just to the grocery store, looking over his shoulder, sleeping like I did when at anchor....with one eye open....never truly being free. Ultimately like Eichman, he will pay his dues.
@67
Jul 07th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh great comparison Eichman to Snowden.......pay his dues for making the world aware of their Big Brother program......
Your comments remind me of Dumb and Dumber.......what will you say next......
Now I see where the term Dumb Yanks comes from.
Cap
Jul 07th, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That explains it, given the choice of a wobbly Sophia LOREN, in all the right places of course and trying not to sound racist, and a coca chewing Aztec Indian?
I know which one I would chose.
Mine, she is a mind reading Yorkshire lass, with a tongue like a scalpel and a look that could incinerate you at 500 metres! She who must be obeyed! But like all York Shire people loyal as fuck!
Take your point, just like mine. He obviously never thought this through now he is desperate. Let him wither on the vine, pick him up later, much, much easier, none of this diplomatic shit!
You have no statute of limitation on treason I believe?
@69
Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0born and bred, strong in the arm and.........
Just kidding there......couldn't resist......Nowt wrong with a Yorkshire lass, lots to found on Ilkley Moor.......best go without your hat though.
There is not statue of limitations on treason. Funny thing is it is one of the hardest to convict on because you have to prove premeditated intent, thus you usually need an accomplice to spill on the other. Few caught traitors are ever convicted of treason here. No one in 60 years has been convicted of treason here.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, that being said, snowden convicted himself with his interview stating it was his plan long before he became a contractor to do this. He bore witness against himself which our constitution allows him not too.
Latam leaders in Bolivia support President Morales and blast European countries
Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it was only 3 others,
And one of them, Argentina has gone very quiet, when considering she can offer no more than a squeaky voice to his defence,
Thus this leaves 2,,,,,,,,,,
Kind of makes a mockery of his so called support,, does it not lol
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Yes it is rather odd why asslips “the cuntface” kirchner has not offered to take this bird snowden under her wing.....no?
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