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EC calls on Spain and Gibraltar for a “constructive dialogue” and cooperation on border controls
The European Commission called on Friday for daily cooperation between Gibraltar and Spain regarding the ongoing dispute over border controls and “encourages all relevant authorities to strengthen their constructive dialogue with their counterparts for this purpose”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell what a surprise.....not.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were the Brits expecting support from the EC?
Time to pull the same stunt on Spanish Nationals entering the UK and all Spanish Lorries at Calais. Then the same for them leaving...
See if the EC finds any fault with that!
So, please explain again: how do Spanish checks on vehicles entering Gibraltar stop the smuggling of goods going out? The EU didn't spot this little problem with the logic?
Nov 15th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- And Spain can respond likewise.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, Gibraltar, they wanted a border - they got a border.
Those concrete blocks really were a bad move. Escalated now, neither side will, nae, can back down, strongest EU response was a somewhat ambiguous letter, expect delays to continue indefinitely.
@1
Nov 15th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fruit and veg imports to UK in a warm warehouse for a few days for checks and processing, but that would play to the lowest. Gutless EU prevarication. As you say - no surprise.
Yes yes Vestige, “expects delays to continue indefinitely”!
Nov 15th, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because that is after all the only option Spain has.
Spain is totally out of sticks and carrots. Use whatever temporal boundaries you want, whether it be centuries, decades, years or months; but Spain can't do anything else.
It can't stop the concrete blocks.
It can't stop bunkering.
It can't stop the Royal Navy.
It can't stop the importation of materials via sea.
It can't change the tax rates.
It can't control Gibraltar's government policy.
It can't stop Gibraltar's booming economy.
All it can do is make the border crossing difficult.
Spain's border controls are like a spud gun against a tank. That's the combined power of 47 million Spaniards against 30,000 Gibraltans.
@3 A look at the crossing point shows an immediate imbalance. There are many more lanes for vehicular traffic entering Gibraltar than there are for those leaving. The controls on entry to Gibraltar are operated by the Gibraltar government. Those on leaving are operated by the Spaniards. So let's wait and see what the Spaniards do. But I would look for the Gibraltar authorities to increase the border fencing on both the east and the west. Possibly including underwater beach defences to stop the Spanish smugglers getting close to the beach. A distinct possibility of more concrete blocks to defend the beaches. Maybe some with steel girders to puncture the hulls of vessels. I can also envisage an increase in patrols, both on land and on the water. And watchtowers. Possibly with remote CCTV cameras. There are now adequate grounds to drop more concerete blocks in deeper water to reduce the number of Spanish poaching vessels entering Gibraltar waters. Good days ahead. Charts marked “Prohibited area”. The first time Gibraltar defences sink a Spanish state vessel. And I notice that more Royal Navy vessels seem to be visiting. Could even be that Gibraltar will decide to go for more reliance of Moroccan workers and sack the Spaniards.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow!! Where are the democrats on this forum???????
Nov 16th, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The rule of law has ruled in favour of Spain..end of story.
Gibraltar is barking up te wrong tree...Even the GSD opposition political party in Gibraltar is saying that Picardo´s Socialists are a bunch of loosers.....
You do that, see if Spain gives a tiny one.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 05 - there is another thing Spain could do. Drive a load of armor through the fence.
You guys have been stuck in traffic too long. Midday sun.
Only another 3 hours and you can go out to play.
What's a “looser”?
Nov 16th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0* A wanker..
Nov 16th, 2013 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol
Nov 16th, 2013 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0*5 It can do many things:
Nov 16th, 2013 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 01: stop commercial planes flying into Spanish controlled air space.
2: Cut aid to Morocco or any other African nation if they sell sand
or rocks to Gibraltar.
3: Cut the phone lines that were granted in The Cordoba agreements.
4: Make it difficult for the Gibraltans to enjoy their mansions in Spain
In other words Spain can make it difficult for the people of Gibraltar and
this has been done during an economical crisis in Spain.What can they
during a bonanza period??
1969 deja vu. And what did that achieve? Only the hardening and distancing of Gibraltar and Spain.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain seems to think the balance of power (on the UK side) resides in the UK Foreign Office. May be it once did, but not anymore. The UN says so.
The Commission position is actually rather even-handed. It does indeed start from the premise that the Spanish aren't breaking the law, which strictly speaking they probably aren't, but more importantly it does propose measures whose effect would be to reduce the length and duration of these queues, and it proposes to follow up on these measures in the near future.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a smart piece of diplomacy from their point of view actually, and I suspect one that was also cooked up with the Brits and the Spanish behind the scenes beforehand.
Not that it will stop the Spanish continuing to shoot themselves in the foot, of course. Like Argentina with the Falklands, it is their own sense of resentment which ensures they will never get what they want. It's an irony, but a godsend for unscrupulous politicians.
Aussie- And what gain will Spain achieve if it did adopt the anti policies you list? - Zero and in reality just more dislike from Gibraltar and UK. All Spain needs to do is look at Argentina- 12 years ago relations between Arg and Falklands = improving. Today after 12 years of stupidity - Arg-FI relations are back at the same level as 1982 - yet Falklands has contuinued to advance in economy and quality of life - AND - its relations with others in South America.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the EU statement- well what did anyone expect- the told Spain weeks ahead which day they were going to visit- and big surprise- on that day there were NO Spanish inspired delays! The EU folks did that deliberatley so they would not see anything and could thus issue a bland statement- they did not want to know the facts!
No doubt the Spanish will cool it a bit but continue in time with that traditional Spanish-Argentine tradition of foot shooting
Just wonder when Argentina start to implement same controls over Islanders that can trafficking with sheep and that king of stuff.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello is your sheep?
No sir
If the EU says that these kind of border checks are in the main legal and justifiable, then the umpires rule must be accepted- but also immediately and ruthlessly applied on all Spanish imports into the UK.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Justthefacts
Nov 16th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! poor innocent soul...
The Spanish already own part or your banks, your Airports and many other things that make UK govt. powerless to take any action without suffering major economics consequences.
So the better you can do is to be quite and don’t upset the Spanish because they can blow you up to sky.
So supposedly Spain can do the following:
Nov 16th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/ Cause the same border queue for all British people and trucks entering and leaving Spain.
2/ Drive a load of armor through the fence.
3/ Stop commercial planes flying into Spanish controlled air space.
4/ Cut aid to Morocco or any other African nation if they sell sand
or rocks to Gibraltar.
5/ Cut the phone lines that were granted in The Cordoba agreements.
6/ Make it difficult for the Gibraltans to enjoy their mansions in Spain.
7/ Cause major economic consequences because the Spanish own banks, airports and many other things in the UK.
8/ Blow the UK sky high.
And yet with all these options available, which have they done:
1/ nope
2/ nope
3/ nope
4/ nope
5/ nope
6/ nope
7/ nope
8/ nope
Wow ALL they have done is make crossing the Gibraltan border slow and arduous.
And close is Spain to gaining Gibraltar now?
PMSL
@ Conqueror
Nov 16th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you threatening to sink Spanish Navy ships? Try it. Thus all Europe and the rest of the world will verify what many people already know. The real charachter traits which define too many Britons.
It seems that you are crazy, in a real fit of anger.
20 olisipo
Nov 16th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And after considering this and other posts you have made, my considered opinion is you have no idea what the hell you are on about when it comes to the UK.
Oh, yes, nobody knows what Britain is doing in places like its “sovereign bases” in Akrotiri and Dhekelia, extorted from Cyprus as a precondition to achieve its independence in 1960. Or so many other places. And if anybody tries to discuss that situation, the answer is “Let's sink the Spanis Navy”.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/land-back-geo-politics-military-bases-empire-independence/
http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/land-back-geo-politics-military-bases-empire-independence/
Well, sauce for the Goose is sauce for the Gander.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it’s legal, then the Brits can, and should, do the same.
In term of trade/economics there is only going to be one winner, and it’s not the Spanish by a long, long.
After all what are they going to do, stop British tourists from going to Spain.
How far Cameron and particularly Cleg (his pillow talk being in Spanish, and all) are prepared to go down this road and take on these little Francos, is another matter.
@18 DanyBerger
Wot, like the Spanish owned YFP in Argentina, real economic leverage that turned out to be. Have they been paid anything yet, Repsol that is?
The Spanish are already doing everything they can get away with under EU rules.
There is no possibility of the EU sanctioning any change of sovereignty without the agreement of the population.
If you have lived in Europe, you must know that
@ 22 olisipo
Old habits die hard, remember that for many generations the Spanish navy were the official targets for Royal Navy gunnery practice.
Until they became so scarce that French ships had to be used.
Ah for god sake, Gibraltar survived for decades with the border closed, push come to shove they will survive again.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Close the damn thing from Gibraltars side, it's 2013, not bloody 1950. It will not stay closed for long.
@ Pugol-H
Nov 16th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you writing about the battle of Cartagena de Indias, in 1741, when a fleet of 186 British ships, commanded by Admiral Vernon, with 30,000 soldiers and sailors, was defeated by a garrison of 3,000 Spanish soldiers, and fifty of the ships were sunk? Perhaps you don't know anything about the more humiliating defeat in the British naval history. King George III forbade to write or even to talk about it. I personnally know that many British people don't know anything about it.
I suggest you a little less bragging.
No he's writing about about something much more contemporary. Like, when the British sailed 8.000 miles, landed 5,000 men to defeat 12,000 men who were 300 miles from their base and who had two months to prepare for their defences..
Nov 16th, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder what history will be writing about that 300 years from now!
#25 The British have lost many battles, however, they've won many wars. During one of the larger of those wars Britain even liberated Spain.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another reason the British will withdraw..
Nov 16th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar must choose
Come with us,
Or,
Seek to be part of a corrupt entity and possible assimilation.
Bad nasty Spanish..lol
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Oh dear, that what not be during the Napolonic war would it? Same time they achieved Independence from Spain!
Nov 16th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suppose that's what you call a coincidence!
Olsipo
Nov 16th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No discussions on the Gibraltarians right to self-determination today?
Or Gibraltar's territorial waters?
That lovely humanitarian Franco could not do shit?
Nov 16th, 2013 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What makes them think they can?
Oh fuck! I forgot about the EEC, oh shit! It's not called that anymore!
Time to get the fuck out of dodge methinks.
Lets me see...
Nov 17th, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oops!
Still Argentina 4 Britons 1
Not a good record for British loser Army to be bragging about...
@20 I said Spanish “state” vessels. You do understand the rules relating to “innocent passage”, don't you? Here's a point from which you can start your research. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent_passage Incidentally, claiming that British Gibraltar Territorial Waters are Spanish, doesn't fit with innocent passage. That makes them an intruder outside the law.
Nov 17th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell you what we are. We are a people that believe in defending our own. Especially against criminals.
@22 Like I said, defending our own. There is no valid evidence that the legitimate government of Cyprus has any problem with the UK Sovereign Base Areas.
@25 I think he was referring to the First, Second and Final reliefs of the Great Siege of Gibraltar. That would be in 1780, 1781 and 1782.
@32 Sorry? Haven't seen any argie “wins” as yet. In 1806 and 1807, argieland didn't exist. No “wins” there. In 1820, an argie pirate tried to claim the Falklands. Failed. 1828-1832, a turncoat traitor became a pirate and had his “settlement” expelled by the U.S. Failed. 1833, Britain re-established rule over the Falkland Islands. 1845-1849, four years of blockade. Not exactly a “win”. 1850, Treaty of Settlement. 1982, British victory over cowardly argie invaders. Brits considerably outnumbered. In the air, the argies had over 100 combat aircraft. Because that's how many they lost. The Brits had 28. At sea, the argie navy did nothing except run. And sink. On land, the Brits took more prisoners than their entire force. Total Brits = 10,000. Argie POWs = 11,313. Nope, don't see any argie “wins” at all. Of course, that's the difference between the truth and argie “history”. Last time a “country” rewrote history on your scale, it ended up at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.
#22
Nov 17th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, yes, nobody knows what Britain is doing in places like its “sovereign bases” in Akrotiri and Dhekelia.
I do but I am not going to tell you as it is a secret !!
It was the British bases in Cyprus that prevented the Turks from over running the island in 1974. A squadron of Phantoms was sent to RAF Akrotiri to dissuade the Turks from coming any further south.
Why don't you visit the country - both north and south and talk to the locals.
Another excellent book on the subject of Cyprus is Bitter Lemons by Lawrence Durrell. Read this before you pass any more comments.
Do you mean “secrets” like Echelon as a part of this network which depend on GCHQ Cheltemham? It is a very well known fact:
Nov 17th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.balkaneu,com/echelons-eye-british-forces-cyprus/
The fact is that Britain retained both bases “in perpetual sovereignty” as a prerequisite to give independence to Cyprus. They are part of a military network in many places of the world. The way they were obtained is a classic in British diplomacy. Remember how Mr Cameron was intent on using them to attack Syria a few weeks ago. Hong Kong, for instance was obtained “in perpetuity” at the end of the shameful First Opium War, by the Treaty of Nanking 1842, and it was relinquished in 1997 “for practical reasons” (the New Territories) without a referendum because the contender was a nuclear China.
@35
Nov 17th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While Hong Kong Island was British. Kowloon and the New Territories were leased. It would not have been possible for Hong Kong Island, population of 1 million, to accommodate 6 million people from the New Territories.
Assad only gave up his chemical weapons because of the threat of military action from the west and hence the importance of the UK military bases on Cyprus.
The people of Gibraltar DO have the right to self-determination and their rights can and will be accommodated.
@ 35 olisipo
Nov 17th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, you are from Portugal then?
You are not one of these though are you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk0Ihiu0OMY
No, I didn't think so, they have several talents that you clearly do not such as a really good command of English which they also sing unaccompanied.
You should already know the the UK and Portugal are very good friends which makes you even more of an idiot.
No need to thank me for clearing that up for you.
#35
Nov 17th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”Do you mean “secrets” like Echelon as a part of this network which depend on GCHQ ChelteNham? It is a very well known fact:“”
No I mean something else. If it is a well known fact, then it is not a secret !!
War of Jenkin's Ear and the Battle of Cartagena.
Well done the Spanish garrison but hardly a classic naval battle.
As far as I know, there was no naval engagement between the two sides.
Britain lost many battles over the centuries but we usually won the wars.
Anyway, who is seriously talking of declaring war against Spain.
It's absolute nonsense.
We are dealing with a government in serious trouble trying to unite their country on an emotional issue that would not make the slightest difference to their economic well being. Hitler had the Jews, Spain has Gibraltar and Argentina the Falklands
(38) Clyde15
Nov 17th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the British have the travellers, Gibraltar and the Malvinas.....
Oooops..... look there...!
A Gipsy with a blond kid...!
Call the Cops...! Call the Garda..!
@Clyde15
Nov 17th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your assertion that “we usually won the wars”, it depends of your idea about what “usual” is. For instance, the battle of Cartagena de Indias was the beginning of the War of the Austrian Succession, which ended with the treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle, where Britain won nothing. In 1783, your country lost the war of the American independence. Your country tried against USA in 1812 and you lost again. The Crimean war ended with a stalemate. Oh, you won the war against the Boers, good for you. As for the WWI and WWII, the countries which won were America in 1918 and America and the Soviet Union in 1945.
A lot of bragging, indeed.Your historians are masters in the art of changing what happened along these last centuries.
@ 25 olisipo
Nov 17th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You keep on distorting the facts!
50 ships were not sunk! - the majority of deaths were as the result of sickness (yellow fever for one cause).
You keep presenting your own edited version of events and expect people to believe in your arguments based on the distortions you present.
TWIMC
Nov 17th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English disaster at Cartagena de Indias, airbrushed from English history.
English provoked famine in Ireland, airbrushed from English history.
English provoked famines in India, airbrushed from English history.
English Highland clearances, airbrushed from English history.
English Bomber Harris, airbrushed from English history.
But not from World's History...............
@42 Think
Nov 17th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bullshit !
40 Oily Lisp-o
Nov 17th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your country tried against USA in 1812 and you lost again.”
Another example of your deliberate distortions (lies)
The US thought that with Briain preoccupied in Europe, thousands of miles away, they could march next door and take British territory.
The British kicked them out of Upper Canada and chased them back to Washington, burning the Whitehouse, before the conflict ended with no change in sovereignty or borders.
Kinda sounds familiar doesn't it?? Loser.
@42 Think
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True !
@25 olisipo
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most popular versions of history tend to emphasise the victories, in any country. Not even the British won every battle, just most of them, hence the Empire.
If you read any serious British (particularly military) history, you will find the defeats are often scrutinised more closely than victories, it helps to avoid having to same disaster twice.
In the vast subject of British/English military/Empire history, you will find much bigger defeats than that battle, where disease was the biggest killer by far.
Or is that just the biggest Spanish/Latino victory you could find, in a hurry???
In the history of Anglo Spanish conflicts it was by no means all one way, but there was only one overall winner, and by a long way. As can be seen by Gib still being British to this day.
The irony being that it fell to the British to liberate the Spanish, from there erstwhile allies the French. Wellington being awarded the title of Generalissimo of all the Armies of Spain, only foreigner ever to do so.
One of the lessons of history is that things are much better understood in context, whether you are looking at the tactics used in the battle to win it, or the wider significance of the outcome of the battle, in the war it is part of.
Events plucked out in isolation prove exactly what! The Spanish won a battle, I already knew that.
And anyway that wasn’t us, that was “the Kingdom of Great Britain”, prior to one or other of the acts of settlement, the UK of GB & I(N) didn’t even exist at that time, and therefore could not have taken part, much less be defeated in the battle, so there.
What about the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, does that have a right to be there, a right to exist??
Some of you Argies are digging your own holes,
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone, anywhere, can find fault if they try,
But you cannot change history,
It is a fact-
That the British Army has won more campaigns than all the other armies put together,
And they have lost quite a few as well,
They have won impossible victories,
And lost some in humiliating circumstances,
But at the end of the day, Britain has a ,military history unrivalled by the rest of the world,
Good or bad, that’s a fact,
Unless of course you are envious and jealous of us, then one would certainly go out to find bad things,
This merely shows the insecurity and envy of the anti brit,
Would it not….
Still,
If it moves, shoot it .lol
kipling
#42 TWIMC .... it 'Concerns' me.
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All these things were taught to my generation and my children's generation in all the standard history text books of the appropriate periods - not as given 'facts' alone, but as topics for personal research.
How do you think I ended up so 'unpartisan' and willing to see the balances of argument, if not by an enquiry-based approach to the place of Britain in world history?
I think you would be surprised at the extent of *balanced* knowledge the average mildly intelligent Brit was exposed to, Sr. Think (and I 'dropped' History at 'O' Level!).
Now, with instant Wiki-access, little remains unexplored by today's youth;
my only issue is with the UK Governments and (especially) the BBC, where the sanitization of inconvenient contemporary truths is an everyday experience.
For a state owned company,
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the BBC is a joke.
some nice programs,..
The BBC is not state owned.
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(48) GeoffWard2
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“How do you think I ended up so 'unpartisan' and willing to see the balances of argument, if not by an enquiry-based approach to the place of Britain in world history?”
I “Think” your lovely “bit on the dark-side” Brasilian wife sending you, repeatedly, to sleep in the doghouse have had a big role in nuancing and softening your previous Social Darwinist Eugenic life approach.....
By the way................................. Sorry about the dogs :-(
42 Think
Nov 17th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you say Highland Clearances Mr Think.....I think not....
These are a few of the people responsible for that......Scotsmen.....
John Lockhart-Ross of Balnagowan Castle
MacLeod of MacLeod (i.e. the chief of MacLeod of Skye)
Macleod of Dunvegan and MacDonald of Sleat
Thomas Gillespie and Henry Gibson
Donald Cameron of Lochiel
John Sinclair of Ulbster
Clear the land for sheep....much more profitable.....
The Clan chiefs basically owned all the land and technically the people too...Clan in Gaelic means children. they were bonded to the Chief and could and were sold into slavery in some cases.
The feudal system of land ownership was only abolished in 2004 until then it was thus.....
Under a feudal estate the actual owner (or “feuar”) must not have breached the feuing conditions, but he was otherwise entitled to complete possession of his property for all time, and therefore his ownership is also regarded as absolute, subject to any statutory restrictions, eg planning.
So if you bought property it was still technically owned by the Laird for all time...
Even now if you purchased property before 2004 you have to pay a solicitor to remove the feuar, (laird...Chief) entitlement from your deeds.....
.....It's complicated unlike English Freehold.
(52) A_Voice
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scotsmen...? Certainly not....
Lowlanders and traitors the lot of them!
53 Think
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Traitors........yes
How else could they afford the new fashionable lifestyle in London.....
Sell your “Children” down the river or the Carolinas.....;-)
@ 42 The Lunatic from Chew Butt
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obfuscation of the truth again? Pity that, like all things you attempt, you are an abject failure and a great source of ridicule.
The problem, when looking back in history with the benefit of hindsight, is there are (usually) young people who certainly have no experience of what it must have been like for the people of the UK to withstand the German bombing. Regretabbly they also have no intellect to think for themselves and when some do-gooding twat talks about Dresden as if it were OUR fault when the reality was that it was their own fault.
Only had they not have cheered Hitler and his thugs quite so much and fell over backwards to do his every bidding then it would not have happened. Just what should we have done with the Dresden problem: patted these twats on the head and given them medals like your “glorious losers of the Falklands” conflict have just had from TMBOA? Well, you cannot give them one for WINNING anything, can you?
Only recently has there been a memorial and commemorative sculpture for Bomber Command raised and I was personally involved in a small way to help it come about.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/raf-bomber-command/9362304/RAF-Bomber-Command-Memorial-After-67-years-the-sacrifice-of-55000-airmen-is-honoured.html
Although an admirer of Churchill it was a scandalous disgrace for him to leave out mentioning Bomber Command and the 55,573 aircrew who died DOING HIS DIRECTLY SANCTIONED BIDDING at his speech at the end of the war.
He will always be remembered for this abomination as much as for his achievements.
You of course have no personal achievements of any worth otherwise we would surely have heard of you crowing about them by now. In fact you are not even in the same league as these young men who died in the service of the country and to keep the world free of fascism: you actually encourage fascism in Argentina by supporting TMBOA and her thugs.
But the end is coming for The Dark Country.
(54) A_Voice
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are in agreement...............................................................................
I see the the aliases are out again! - Geoff over dover
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 A_Voice = total crap - as usual - nothing changes - never has a point.
51 Think - keeps talking to his own puppets.
olisipo, on a par with dunnyberger.
45 Vestige - a puppet with no real brain.
Forgetit86 - the name is a give away = best to forget what it posts.
Marcos Alejandro - keep counting the penguins
Conqueror - still playing those war games
As opposed to.... a puppet with a real brain ??
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 057
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who the feck are you?
You sound familiar, but not the handle....
Do you also have a point....something about the article perhaps...
Maybe even a comment that needs refuting.....
.....just Trolling I see.....
@59
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you also have a point....something about the article ---- your post @54 “How else could they afford the new fashionable lifestyle in London.....”
@ Briton # 47
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The British Army has won more campaigns than all the other armies put together”
WOW!!!!!!
60
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or refuting a comment......
....read the comment again, I do believe it was initially a refute about Highland clearances.
These did in fact occur so that Chiefs and Lairds would have a greater income from the land to be able to afford... the house in Town (London) and the lifestyle....
.....that was my point.....and your point was?
...do keep writing longer posts though so that I can identify whose puppet you are....or rather which other puppet you use....
....don't worry I'll pick it up from the grammar or from combination word usage etc....
Or misuse of conjunctions....that kind of thing.....
....longer posts please......
And there’s me thinking the Clans were in the Highlands, but it turns out they were Lowlanders.
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear voice - the topic was “EC calls on Spain and Gibraltar for a “constructive dialogue” and cooperation on border controls”
Nov 17th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 064
Nov 17th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah.....boxing clever keeping the posts short.......
So tell me if someone posts a comment that you don't agree with, that is unrelated to the article.....just let it go.....don't reply.....?
(62) A_Voice
Nov 17th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Leiard is a veteran poster...
I don't “Think” Mr. Leiard is anybody's “Puppet”...
But he certainly has a fixation with other people being “Puppets”.
The British gave us the English language, a mixture of Latin, French, Greek, German and Gaelic. They gave us the English dictionary. Ninety-three per cent of Belizeans can read and write because of an British education and I am one.
Nov 17th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0William Wilberforce abolished the slave trade.
After the break up of the British Empire they gave us the British Commonwealth, the industrial revolution, railways, the steam engine and the jet engine, the Harrier Jump Jet and the hovercraft. And in 1981, after Belizean Independence, they told the world that if you want Belize, you’ll have to beat us first.
Harry Kuylen. Belize City September 2007
66 Think
Nov 17th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha.....that figures....before my time, I have never come across him.
Thanks, that saves me a lot of scrutiny.....
68 A_Voice
Nov 17th, 2013 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Think!! Are you one of those crazy people who spends all their time sitting in allyways talking to buildings??
Or do you spend you days standing at traffic lights shouting at the traffic??
Coming on here at talking to your sock puppets must be... what?? therapy for you then huh??
Just wish you wouldn't make the rest of watch while you do it........
69 too old
Nov 17th, 2013 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Think” and “ A-Void” - reminds me of the “Thinkdover” pantomime,
“Oh, those dratted English”, etc. etc.
A little exchange singing the praises of the SNP or George Galloway next, I expect.
ZZzzzzzzzzzz
Nov 17th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still Argies 4 Britons 1
And they want even more defeats in SA...
@42
Nov 17th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently we once had an Empire as well.
Thank heavens for the Faculty of Anglo-Satanic Studies, or nobody would ever know such things.
@71 DanyBerger
Nov 18th, 2013 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remind me, when was the last time SA won.
Monolingual kebab eaters are winning, don’t you know!
@72 HansNiesund
“Anglo-Satanic Studies” – Like it, LOL.
Who's winning again?
Nov 18th, 2013 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain in Gibraltar or Argentina in the Falklands?
How many more people can fit/be born and housed/live in Gibraltar ?
Nov 18th, 2013 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well I guess Gibraltar will decide that.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0And not Spain.
After all, Madrid is grappling with a shrinking population.
http://focus.ie.edu/spains-shrinking-population
From article, it seems the EU ruling is dismal but they took an age to investigate the border crossing (because Spain stalled and stalled and stalled) but I think Spain is not off the hook. The EU will be back to see how things have progressed. Pound to a penny that nothing will have changed.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The days after the 2017 GB/EU referendum should be interesting.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rock and a hard place.
Leave - Gib screwed.
Stay- GB dedicated, no second referendum in sight, no threat of leaving EU over Spains/Eu's policy towards Gib, Spain will tighten the screws. Probably give residents of Gib 'special status' in light of Gib's 'special status' within the EU. Require visa's.
I'm still waiting to see Spain “tighten the screws”. It keeps being promised and yet all they have done is cause a traffic jam.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So perhaps in an alternate universe where Gibraltar wasn't part of the EU and the Schengen Agreement didn't exist, then Spain could require visas.
However it is this universe and that is impossible.
#39
Nov 18th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooops..... look there...!
A Gipsy with a blond kid...!
Call the Cops...! Call the Garda..!
Again, I must have missed this. Where in Britain did this happen.
There was something in Eire...which is not Britain... and in Greece, I think. What has this got to do with the UK You obviously don't.
Usual means more than not. Your hatred of the UK is clouding your judgement. The USA won the First world war ? I think that the British and French had MORE than a little to do with it.
I never said that the UK won the second world war but we did contribute rather a lot to it's outcome. We held on fighting Germany, Italy and their allies while the soviets were signing peace treaties and then had Japan to contend with..in Asia.
Enlighten us by letting us know what YOUR country has done that was of any significance instead of hiding behind a nom de plume.
No, it is much easier carping on about the evil Brits. I think you are actually jealous !
@anglotino (coming from the forum about ” Britain dismisses...)
Nov 18th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) In post # 98 you quoted from the Constitution 2006 that HMG never would enter into arrangements on the sovereignty of Gibraltar against the wishes of its inhabitants. Only 3 weeks ago Britain backed a resolution of the UN Fourth Committee, the same whick keeps Gibraltar in the list of NSGT, which urges Spain and Britain to find a definitive solution “in the spirit of the Brussels declaration of 27 November 1984”, in which both Spain an the UK agreed to discuss “the issues of sovereignt of Gibraltar”
2) You say that the paragraph in which HMG “takes note” that the local authorities of Gibraltar don't share the previous paragraph in which HMG states that “INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE ONLY AN OPTION FOR GIBRALTAR WITH SPAIN'S CONSENT” has “the same legal” weight that this one.:-)This is a show of disingenuous reasoning. HMG takes as basis Utrecht, the same that it daily quotes as the legal basis for keeping Gibraltar.
Following your childish reasoning, HMG should have ignored the Convention about the New Territories in 1997, as a“dusty piece of history” but it did't it.
3) Your theory that compare Gibraltar with Estonia is a new show of historical and legal distortion. You seem to forget how Ian Smith's UDI ended and how many people were killed because this UDI.
Lastly, about your offer to “squeeze my cheeks”, sorry, but you are barking up to the wrong tree. Certain sexual inclinations repugn me.
What cheeks are we taking about here....I must be naive, I was thinking he meant, when you playfully squeeze someone's cheeks on their face and it makes them purse their lips and looks funny....
Nov 18th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 079 - you might not have long to wait if any more silly moves are made by moonface picardo. Tax investigations for the Gibsis in lalinea.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Living in Spain working in Gib, claiming no income, tsk tsk, any evasion found and its bailiffs time.
@81
Nov 18th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to have missed the important point that Ian Smith's UDI was done in order to deny self-determination to the majority population. A (purely hypothetical because it's not going to happen) Gibraltarian UDI would have precisely the opposite objective. A Spanish reaction would put the Spanish on the same level as Ian Smith.
Beware analogies.
olisipo
Nov 18th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/ Stop forum chasing - we can add desperate to your list of failings
2/ Your posts are cut short because they are too long and you only get 2,000 characters; quite funny after you have finished castigating me on being verbose and logorrheic - we can add hypocrite to that list
3/ Don't use words such as “logorrhoea” it makes you sound “abstruse” - we can add conceited now
4/ Don't use words such as “abstruse” - we can add vain now
5/ Try to read the posts properly; I never offered to touch your cheeks and have clarified that on two further occasions - we can add incompetent to that long list
6/ I have now clarified three times that I don't want to touch your cheeks - your inability to move on from this shows deep-seated fixation issues
7/ If you consider cheek squeezing so distasteful as “certain sexual inclinations repugn” you, then I would stay away from very cute babies and children with big chubby cheeks - we now get to add prudish, repressed and just plain weird to your list.
So now my desperate, hypocritical, conceited, vain, incompetent, fixated, prudish, repressed and just plain weird friend; I do believe I just called you racist on the other thread for asking if I was “half gypsy”.
If anyone is up for a laugh - post 98 onwards:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/11/13/britain-dismisses-suggestion-of-any-bilateral-negotiations-with-spain-on-gibraltar#comment287384
78 Vestige
Nov 18th, 2013 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oooohhhhh, I sssssooooo scared!!!! Ha,ha,ha!! and what, pray tell, is your “Toothless Tiger” going to do???
Spain reminds me of that wimpy kid that follows the bullies around the playground, you know the one,
When the Bully says “We're going to get you”
The wimpy goes “Yeah!!! We're going to get you”.
So bring it on, All the spanish and their b*st*rd offspring can do is talk the talk, can't actually walk the walk can they??
I suppose they could close their side of the border......again!!! What a great job that did last time huh????
Yes, Spainis always GOING to do something. And yet all we have is traffic jams.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If people break the law then they should be punished, whether Spanish or Gibraltan. I've never seen anyone claim otherwise.
(A_Voice, missed your comment when I first woke up. But that is exactly it. However in Madrid it seems to be a repugnant sexual act.)
Oil lips oh
Nov 19th, 2013 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anglotino certainly told you off !!
Chuckle chuckle chuckle :-)
Just sent an email to lalinea asking for a 8 hour border tomorrow :)
Nov 19th, 2013 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle
89
Nov 19th, 2013 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0yawnnnn...
Meanwhile in the real world more bad news from the Dark Kingdom...
Nov 19th, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shame of bank boss minister caught trying to buy cocaine
A METHODIST minister and former chairman of the Co-op Bank apologised last night after footage emerged showing him trying to buy illegal drugs.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/443634/Shame-of-bank-boss-minister-caught-trying-to-buy-cocaine
Oh what, wow! AngoloLatino the Greatest Dancer
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/443634/Shame-of-bank-boss-minister-caught-trying-to-buy-cocaine
: )
Dany
Nov 19th, 2013 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Off-topic, just a little.
You have nothing to say - desperate and impotent.
:-D
Oh Dany, don't you chase me too.
Nov 19th, 2013 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Olisipo is a veritable Einstein compared to you. Which puts you squarely in the 'something to be scraped of my shoe' category.
Speaking of shoe scraping, I sure hope Vestige realises that the 8 hour border crossing combo deal comes with 25% unemployment, shrinking population, unending recession, crushing debt and a serve of government corruption needing a pinch of desperate deflection.
Enjoy your 8 hours pondering that. Unfortunately this combo deal is only available on the Spanish side of the border.
@Troy Tempest
Nov 19th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a free service from Dany’s Broad Casting Service from the Dark Kingdom...
Just disappointed you are not appreciating my work to keep you informed with the latest news from Ukinstan...
@AngoloLatino
Have you tried to find a brain from a dead dog to replace yours?
You never know what you can archive with that...
Meanwhile...
Oh what, wow! AngoloLatino the Greatest Dancer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDwutKpVyas
Sticky isn’t it?
Oh wow a comeback that is half my own comeback and half your previous post…..
Nov 19th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're so original NOT.
But way to prove my point! Thanks mate.
Anglotino
Nov 19th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Dany really folded his hand with that last post.
Weak.
They do half my job Troy!
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