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Gibraltarians will travel to EU offices in Brussels to protest Spain's border controls

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The Gibraltar Government will sponsor a group of Gibraltarians and local residents who plan to travel to Brussels to protest before the European Union about delays caused by Spanish checks at the border, reports the Gibraltar Chronicle. The group approached the Government in recent months and is said to include people from all walks of life and from all shades of political opinion. Read full article

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  • Britworker

    Great move on the part of Spain, honouring an outgoing president of the commission. They should save their medals for people who have earnt them and are current and relevant.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    FRIDAY 15 NOVEMBER 2013 UK
    'No evidence' Spain broke EU law with Gibraltar delays”

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @2
    Now if you really did understand the way the that EU works, you would understand that biggest players and payers have the biggest clout. Evidence gathering is ongoing, your optimistic appraisal of the Guardia Civil not to fuck up is ill-advised.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “European Commission investigators say there is no proof Spain acted illegally by stepping up border checks at the crossing into Gibraltar”

    too many smugglers living in that rock.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    The Commission report did not say the controls were justified, it said they weren't illegal. That's not the same thing. Then it said Spain should implement measures to reduce queuing time and the length of the queues.

    This kind of thing is called 'diplomacy'. Of course, as we all know, this is a notion that Argentina struggles with, and indeed it's quite easy to miss if all you'll looking for is another pretext to froth at the mouth venting your anglophobia. But those with more considered intellectual and political skills can see it for what it is.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Well said, Hans.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I found him!

    I found conq!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGTVRbpAuRo

    6 minutes in... Tell me it's not him!!!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 8 Stevie
    “I found conq!!! - Tell me it's not him!!!”

    No, the matador was based on Walt Disney.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'm telling you, it's him!
    The matador was based on conq's daily facial expressions.
    And they are both remnants from WWI, or something like that...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • alan

    @4 Paulcedron
    “too many smugglers” oh there me hearties, it will be the pirates soon.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The sooner we get of this EU gravy train the better,

    it always seem they can do whatever they like,

    yet we get canned,
    sod em all..

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    “Meanwhile Spain honors EC president Barroso with the Carlos V European prize”

    They bought him extraordinarily cheap - unusual for a corrupt politician.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    8
    stevie
    this conq must look like this:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2006-02-27/matt-lucas-as-daffyd-thomas/807254
    ready to war

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Hahaha Paul!
    That's not conqui, that's another guy from around.
    What's his name.... I always get it wrong...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Hahah oh Stevie Duck

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    15
    stevie.
    well, many of these pricks must look like that.
    it's a very british look.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Spain has too many sympathizers within the EU for anything to change in this piddly little issue, yes the EU is all official on one level, on another level its pats on the back, winks and nudges, invitations to lunch.

    Then theres plain old common sense, Europe just looks at this place on Spains coast and its historic context and think oh ffs, what? In this day and age.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “Benefits 'to be stripped from immigrants who cannot speak English'”
    “David Cameron intends to make the cuts in order to slash the country’s welfare bill, according to reports”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10582371/Benefits-to-be-stripped-from-immigrants-who-cannot-speak-English.html

    it will be interesting when spain, france, italy, etc, apply the same thing to the 2 million brits that live there and do not understand a word of the local language.
    so bad.
    they will have to return to the swampy little island, i guess.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2 The EU is full of wankers. Italians, Portuguese, Spanish, queers, rapists, sodomists.
    @4 ”Hello lawbreakers. We're coming to visit and investigate on Wednesday. We're not saying this (wink, wink), but it would be a good idea if you stopped or hid all your illegal activities so we can't see them“. Strange how argie cowards always want someone else to do their fighting.
    @8 Don't be stupid. You couldn't find your arse with both hands. Curious considering how many males and females must have butt-fucked you by now. Have you got a ”friend” that insists on a larger than 3 inch diameter butthole?
    @14 Please try to understand. Stevie is similar to a blue whale pat. One of the biggest piles of shit in the known universe. Then there's YOU. Fly shit.
    @17 Just as a matter of interest, I presume your interest in pricks is determining how far you can get two down your throat? Can you get two up your arse at the same time as well? One in each hand? You argies love it, don't you? Have you ever tried a woman?
    @19 No it won't. What will be interesting is when the British strip the skin off the spanish, french and italians. Her's some facts. Spanish cowards (much like argies), french who always carry white flags, italians who build their military vehicles with one forward gear and five reverse.
    Here's a tip. Don't threaten a NATION with the useless faggots of no-hopers.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    Depends on how many of those 2 million Brits are actually on benefits in those countries. You see, the benefits systems in those countries are not quite as generous as the system in the UK (that's an understatement). It is unlikely that many, if any at all are living off Spanish, French or Italian state benefits, the Spaniards wouldn't allow it for a start. Just like they won't honour the EU medical card and provide free health care to Brits. They don't honour any of their obligations really whilst demanding that the Brits honour all of theirs. Well you know what? Feck 'em.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Democracy is doing right. Corrupt people with military force or money is wrong.
    Transform a piece of land in a gambling hell ..... is wrong.
    England is lost.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    what is it with these Gibs?? They throw concrete blocks into the sea to piss off Spain..(which they do) Then they cry to the EU that they can´t get through the border..The EU favours Spain and now...they want to go to Brussels..WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!!! get a life!! Haven´t these fools jobs to attend??!!

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    what is it with these Gibs?? They throw concrete blocks into the sea just like the Spaniards have done at least 25 times.

    Then they ask the EU to investigate Spanish harrassments at the border, when they should know from experience that the Spanish habits of corruption will make them bribe South European EU “public servants” to ignore the films from surveillance cameras proving the Gibraltarians right.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @22 Strange how a plutocracy that has existed for less than 200 years knows better than a thousand-year old democracy. You're short on 800 years of experience and knowledge.
    @23 And the number of concrete blocks spain has thrown in the sea is........? Actually, they are crying to the EU that spanish workers can't get through the border. The spanish workers to whom Gibraltar gives jobs. The EU, of course, are tossers riddled with corruption. Much like argieland. But there will be a reckoning. I keep telling Gibraltar to close the border. Set up air and sea links to Morocco, arm official vessels and leave the spaniards to starve. How long in a queue? How long to Morocco by air or sea? Sink or shoot down anything spanish.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    aide says Gib is ‘a smokescreen’ for Spain

    The Spanish government uses the Gibraltar issue as a smokescreen to distract public attention from austerity measures and turbulent internal politics, a former adviser to the late Margaret Thatcher has said.
    www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=32497

    says it all, does it not..

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    21.
    ”Depends on how many of those 2 million Brits are actually on benefits in those countries. You see, the benefits systems in those countries are not quite as generous as the system in the UK (that's an understatement)“

    generous???
    British pensioners are among Europe's poorest, with more than two million older people at risk of poverty, official figures reveal.
    Ros Altmann, director of Saga, said: ”We have had a system of state pensions that has been systematically cut over the years, trying to offload responsibility on to the private sector.

    If you have worked in Spain for at least one year you may be entitled to a Spanish retirement pension, provided you meet other entitlement conditions.
    https://www.gov.uk/living-in-spain

    20.
    without the help of the u.s., the gurkhas, etc etc etc you are just a bunch of faggots.
    especially you, keyboard warrior

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Faggots fight just as well as straight guys.

    They just do it with style!

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    28.
    ha. good one

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    paulcedron writes in #27

    “generous???
    British pensioners are among Europe's poorest, with more than two million older people at risk of poverty, official figures reveal. ”

    Provided you have been working or claiming unemployment, sickness or disability benefits for 30 years in the UK

    How much is the UK Basic State Pension a month?

    Provided you have been working 30 years in the UK and paid your NI contribution

    How much is the UK Additional State Pension a month?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    27 paulcedron (#) Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:25 pm

    I see. You've lost the argument, again, and you change the subject. How many Eastern Europeans of working age are coming to the UK to claim a pension you buffoon?

    “If you have worked in Spain for at least one year you may be entitled to a Spanish retirement pension, provided you meet other entitlement conditions.”

    You'll find that no Brit ever meets any other 'entitlement condition'. The Spaniards make them up as they go along. The first disqualifying criteria would be a British passport.

    “20.
    without the help of the u.s., the gurkhas, etc etc etc you are just a bunch of faggots.
    especially you, keyboard warrior”

    What with you and Conq' sharing equal throbberdom I'm surprised you two don't get on.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    there are more eastern europeans in spain, italy, france, etc respectively than in the uk.
    there are more british in spain, france, italy, etc, than spanish, french and italians respectively in the uk.
    and yet, the uk whines about the risk of receiving immigrants (from bulgaria, romania, wherever).
    some imbeciles like cameron and many posters here, think that british migrants are like a blessing for the other countries
    well, they are exactly the same as any other migrant, with the contra that they are incapable of getting integrated.
    the main reason is that they don´t speak the local language.
    cameron is some kind of bad joke, isn´t he?

    “Most Brits in Spain say no gracias to integration”
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/europe-news

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    paulcedron writes in #27

    “generous???
    British pensioners are among Europe's poorest, blah, blah, blah”

    How much does the UK pensions pay a month?

    Where are your answers to the two simple questions in #30?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    *32 THat is the problem.If you do not intregate than you will be isolated.No locals to back you up in times of trouble as has happened with the bulldozing of many homes owned by British and EU citizens in Spain. They don´t speak the language or know the law and have no help from the locals...than you wish you spoke the language...believe me!!

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @18 Vestige

    Indeed you're right. Europe does look “at this place on Spains coast and its historic context and think oh ffs, what? In this day and age.”

    And that's hardly surprising. Because this is exactly the kind of antediluvian territorial bullshit and pigeon-chested nationalist posturing the EU was supposed to be putting an end to. And it's especially disappointing when it's coming from a country that was admitted to the EU partly in order to reinforce its fledgling democracy, but which sees fit to reject any approach based on international law, democracy, human rights, or dialogue with the population directly concerned.

    See also Argentina.

    FFS. In this day and age.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #27
    without the help of the u.s., the gurkhas, etc etc etc you are just a bunch of faggots.

    Your historical proof of this is exactly what ?
    “Faggot” as you call them included ALEXANDER THE GREAT and many of the ancient Greeks.
    In any army there must be a proportion of homosexuals. This includes the Argentine armed forces. Have they fought any less bravely than their heterosexual comrades ? Proof would be an interesting talking point.
    As to the UK forces failing to fight but relying on their American allies, think back to 1982.
    Not one American soldier, sailor or airman was involved in any fighting.
    The Ghurkas were kept back until the last few days, much to their chagrin.
    It was thought better to keep them in reserve BECAUSE the Argentines were trying to make political capital about “mercenaries” being used by the British.

    The anniversary of WW1 is coming up. So, according to you we did nothing until the USA joined in when it was nearly over.
    WW1
    British killed 887,000 % 2.19 Wounded 1,666,000
    Americans killed 116,000 % 0.13 Wounded 206, 000
    WW2
    British killed 388,000
    Americans killed 400,000

    The British figures relate ONLY to UK dead and do not include any of the Commonwealth or Indian dead.
    Based on population, we did more than our fair share.

    So, you still stand by your absurd statement. ?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “in this day and age” says a british or british wannabe with german name...LOL
    britain still lives like in the 17th century with colonies, queens, little princes, plebs like you lot, and all that sh*t.
    they are still invading and looting other countries in the 21st century (iraq, afghanistan, syria was saved by the bell, etc) like in the 18th century.

    and they talk about dialogue?
    tell that sh*t to the chagossians.

    and they talk about “human rights” LOL
    ‘Systematic torture’: Dossier accusing UK politicians of Iraq war crimes.
    The 250-page document entitled “The Responsibility of UK Officials for War Crimes Involving Systematic Detainee Abuse in Iraq from 2003-2008”, published by the German-based European Centre for Constitutional Human Rights”

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @37

    In this day and age, you'd think those who profess to be educated would have realised that a counter-accusation does not constitute innocence.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “aide says Gib is ‘a smokescreen’ for Spain

    The Spanish government uses the Gibraltar issue as a smokescreen to distract public attention from austerity measures and turbulent internal politics, a former adviser to the late Margaret Thatcher has said.”

    this is the same bullshit you lot repeat constantly when you have an issue with other countries, a lot of issues with a lot of countries i must say.
    well, that is brainwashing.
    you all have the same chip and you all talk the same shite.
    thanks to mercopress, between others

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Paul Ignorant Cedron, the liar, writes in #27

    “generous???
    British pensioners are among Europe's poorest, blah, blah, blah”

    How much does the UK pensions pay a month?

    Where are Paul the liar's answers to the two simple questions in #30, repeated in #33, and now again?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    40
    is this “generous” for you, you dumbass.

    “The most you can currently get is £110.15 per week.”
    https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/overview

    “More than 1 in 5 British pensioners at risk of poverty”
    https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/overview

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I wonder what 28.5% inflation would do to a pension?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And you think you'll be getting one funded by the IMF, ozzie?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    43
    Better than the “sausage” you will get from Maximo

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #41 If you knew anything about the UK benefits system you would realise that the state pension is only one of the benefit that pensioners would be eligible to recieve. Many of the others are means tested. However, assuming no other pension income or significant savings, a pensioner would also be entitled Housing Benefit, Winter fuel allowance etc. which would raise the value significantly. Not to mention access to world class healthcare through the NHS.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @39

    And Spain is entirely justified in mounting an economic blockade against Gibraltar because British pensions are poor.

    This is a fine example of the “reductio ad anglophobium”, which is always the last resort, if not already the first, of the typical Malvinista confronted with an inconvenient truth in whatever domain. See also Iraq, Syria, Chagos, the British Empire, the Royal Family, etc, etc, etc.

    Like the “reductio ad Hitlerum”, the “reduction ad anglophobium” is generally a sure marker of a lost argument, although it does provide a comforting release of bile to the utterer. Curiously, it is often associated with claims of a superior intellect and/or education, although it clearly indicates the reverse.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Stevie duck

    I'll assume you were reply to my comment even through you insist on using an Americanism.

    Why would I be funded by the IMF? As a lender of last resort, that's what countries such you beloved Argentina need. Not well run countries such as mine.

    Superannuation.

    It might not be a term you are familiar with. We don't expect to live on government handouts.

    That's one of the major points you miss when you keep talking about debt. You never think or consider the assets.

    Australians have currently saved and invested A$1.747 trillion for their retirement That's pretty much 100% of GDP. .

    So..... no! With 21 years of growth, low inflation, low government debt, AAA credit rating, high immigration, strong and profitable banks and at least US$1.6 TRILLION out away already for retirement..... I don't see the IMF to be calling anytime soon. Unless they want more money from us.

    Australia has a stronger economic foundation that any Mercosur nation. Why we even managed to have an inflation rate lower than our growth rate. Perhaps Uruguay and Argentina should try that too.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    47. anglotino
    are you cuyano or puntano?
    what part of mendoza are you from?
    san juan?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @30,33
    UK pension is £ 169.56 per week, or £ 678.24 per month, or £ 8138.88 per year. I can save money too.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #41
    You should have continued on to the next screen when you selectively quoted the pension at £110.15.

    The Additional State Pension is an extra amount of money you could get with your basic State Pension. It’s based on your National Insurance contributions.

    How much you get depends on your earnings and whether you’ve claimed certain benefits. There is no fixed amount like the basic State Pension.

    You get the Additional State Pension automatically, unless you’ve contracted out of it.

    The Additional State Pension is paid with your basic State Pension. It normally increases every year by prices - the percentage growth in prices in the UK as measured by the Consumer Prices Index (CPI).
    golfcronie is correct in his figure for a pension given to people who have
    paid National Insurance contributions during their working life. If you have paid in nothing then you get £110.15 by right. Extra payments can be made for housing, heating, disability etc. All health treatment is free.
    In your paradise, what is the pension figure payable by the state?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    I also get free car parking, and a bus pass, so costs nothing to go shopping, just pay for the shopping. Also £ 200 for elec/gas bills

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The only ones to be paying you lots pensions are IMF and WB.
    You are net borrowers and in order to substans your way of life, somebody else needs to work and pay for it.
    Last round of pension handouts is approaching, as the coffins are empty and what little was gained has been speculated into too few a pockets...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    “ someone else needs to work and pay for it” Exactly, I have worked hard all my life with hardly a day off work and all the time paying into the system. I paid for the pensioners when I was working only fair I get the benifits now. Anyway it would probably be political suicide if the any government was to abolish it as most of the voters are elderly.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    With less and less hands to take care of more and more elderly, it would seem that scenario is unavoidable...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Stevie
    At least we have not anywhere near 24% inflation, thank God. How much do the Argentines get as a pension?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    At least we live of what we produce instead of other people's shoulders... Personally, I'd be embarrassed should My country every year depend on money somebody else generated....

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @27 Don't think you should be applying a description of yourself to others. You need to face it, argies, like spaniards, are cowards. For instance, in 1982, argie “troops” set an all time record for the speed with which they could get off a mountain. Not sure that discarding all their weapons was fair. In 1817, Britain finally forced Spain to abandon the Atlantic slave trade. Earlier, the Battle of Trafalgar was the last time Spain seriously dared challenge Britain.
    @31 Why? I'm uncomplicated. I'm on the side of MY country and those territories under its protection. I'm on the side of the people of MY country and the people of those territories. I don't believe in letting foreign tossers slag off MY country and territories and people and make threats. I believe in letting such aggressors know how we can respond. 75 years ago we learned, painfully, that appeasement and perceived weakness is not the way. 32 years ago we had to be reminded. Forgotten so soon?
    @32 You should look more closely. How many Brits go abroad to claim benefits and conduct criminal activities? East Europeans in the UK?
    @34 Spain is criminal.
    @36 You forgot to mention that the Northern African campaign was WON without the involvement of a single American soldier.
    @37 Dirty War! And, to this day, argie “police” still kill indigenous people. Indigenous people are still “disadvantaged”. The “government” and politicians generally are corrupt. Even ordinary “people” are liars and thieves.
    @39 Strangely, only two countries are accused of using their own lies to con their own citizens. Two countries that are many years from being civilised.
    @41 1,235 pesos a week. Bet you'd be glad of that!
    @53 “Stevie”, if that's its name, doesn't understand how things work. He “commutes” from his hovel. He has his “window on the world” through which he attempts to understand the different mores of over 200 states and their interrelationships. Mostly fails.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    I think you've got a lot more to be personally embarrassed about frankly. Like the amount of your “life” you dedicate to this place.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Amusement is an important factor in any persons life... Besides, I have plenty of time on my hands at the moment. Does this bothers you as well?

    It doesn't fit your idea of us and them, mayhap?

    Come on... Take it!

    ;)

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 41 paulcedron

    Paul “Einstein”, that is £678.24 a month = 7,500 Argentine pesos at the official rate and 12,800 pesos at the blue rate.

    Add to this diverse benefits and frills as described by golfcronie and Clyde15 in posts 50 and 51.

    When “Einstein” Paul had googled the article about poor British pensioners beaing at risk of poverty he - as is usual for the Argentine “Einsteins” in this forum, he did not read the article he links to., where it says:
    “People are defined as being at risk of poverty if their disposable income is below 60 per cent of the UK median disposable income. ”

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Stevie: I told you how much the UK pension is, and asked you to say what the Argentinian pension was, What is it ? Or more likely you haven't a clue, absolutely clueless.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I have no clue, but I do know the UK pension is financed by a debt abyss...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #62
    UK borrows money on the International market and pays interest on this. The market must be happy with this arrangement or they would not do it.
    Argentine borrows money and then defaults on the payment..a synonym for this is theft.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    3 trillions Clyde... USA is on 17.
    What's the plan?

    Lets not pretend it's not a problem, the sooner the issue is addressed, the softer the hit... It would be shameless of you to pass the bill to your kids...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    As opposed to shamelessly indoctrinating kids in school, generation after generation, to blame all their problems on evil Anglos and show them by example, from the top of the government down, that corruption and thievery is an acceptable norm.

    The UK debt level may be undesirable but our credit rating is AA+ because they know we pay it back. I'd be embarrassed to be a citizen of some banana republic only known for reneging on deals and its crooked practices.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #64
    Argentine borrows money and then defaults on the payment..a synonym for this is theft.

    What's the plan?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (49) golfcronie & (50) Clyde15

    The minimum pension in Argentina today is 2,7oo Pesos a month....
    2,7oo Pesos are, at today's exchange rate...: ~245 £.
    Last regulated on 01/09/2013.
    Next regulation ~01/03 2014. (I would “Think” the increase will be around +20%)
    + Free-healthcare and other pensioners perks I do not know much about...
    I would estimate that the “Cost of Living” for a typical pensioner on a minimum pension in Argentina must be about 40-50% lower than in the UK.

    PS:
    Just for your info.....
    Between 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003, (when the Kirchner's assumed office), the minimum pension was “frozen” around 50£......

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Nobody has ever, in the history of mankind, paid a debt of that size back. Borrowing even more money in order to pay at all, is not paying but inventing an excuse.
    So you guys have no issues in having partied all life long and now when it's time to pay, you look at your kids? That's all in line with your values...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    well, theirs a first time for everything,

    besides,
    kicking it into the long grass seems to be the norm.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The plan is a default, you mean?
    I think so too... You see, the only way around it is to ahake those sitting on the money. And that's neither Bulgarians, Argentines, immigrants, Iraquis or Pakistanis...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Ouch!

    According to Think's calculation; it sucks to be a pensioner in Argentina.

    It will only get worse.

    With Australia's population set to overtake Argentina's later this century, it isn't a problem we will have.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    perhaps we should compulsory purchase the worlds 6 riches men,

    this will pay out debts,
    hey,
    at least its an idea..lol

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    71
    what part of the city of mendoza are you from?
    are you a puntano, cuyano, sanjoinino?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #70 What are you on about? You're been very selective when it comes to debt figures again.

    UK public debt (money owed by the government) is ~£1,400 bil. (~90% of GDP). UK consumer debt (money owed by individuals) is somewhat similar. At the same time both hold considerable assets many times the value of these respective debts.

    I know you keep quoting the UK and US's external debt (~$10,000 bil. and ~$17,000 bil.) but these numbers are essentially meaningless without taking into account the countries external assets. If we look at the difference, the Net International Investment Position (NIIP), for the UK this is -£182 bil. (

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Pensions aren't paid in assets and the cash is being hamstered...
    Fine by me, accelerate by all means...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    49 golfcronie (#)
    Jan 20th, 2014 - 10:10 am

    Add to this my private pension forecast of around £200 per week from the age of 65 and the fact that my mortgage will be paid when I am 56 I think I'll be fine personally.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @75
    “ Pensions aren't paid in assets and the cash is hamstered” Sorry “No intiendo hamstered”

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Golfcronie

    It's 'no entiendo' and honestly it is only now that you are failing to understand Stevie duck? For me it was in late December!

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #75 As usual you spout a very tenuous half-truth, “Pensions aren't paid in assets...”.

    For the majority of private pensions this statement is just not true, the employee and employer pay into a pension fund which invests that money securing a return on the investment. That asset and any return on the investment is then used to pay the pension.

    For the state pension I guess it depends on whether there is a budget deficit or not. You could claim, albeit spuriously, that the budget deficit is caused by the need to pay for pensions. This is only really a problem though if the budget deficit remains very large for a long time.

    The UK currently has relatively low unemployment, low inflation (unlike a certain other country), and our economy is predicted to grow faster than any other country in Western Europe. What you should be worried about is inflation in Argentina (I forget are you Argentinian?).

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @76
    I did not add my private pensions to the total as I thought that would cloud the issue.
    @78 Still do not know what is “ hamstered ”, please enlighten me.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Great then.
    Accelerate.

    To me, it matters very little if you choose to hit the wall at high speed or if you indeed prefer to hit it at even higher...

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #81 Enlightening comment Stevie, thanks for that. Nothing in response to me debunking your myths about pensions and UK's imminent collapse?

    I'm amused by your apparent glee at the, albeit imaginary, future collapse of the UK. Why do you want that to happen by the way?

    And before you suggest that I want to see Argentina collapse (which admittedly many of the UK posters probably do want), I don't. I know if Argentina collapses it will just become more and more dangerous, often the only route open for a failing government is a popular foreign “adventure”. While I have no doubt that HM armed forces could “see off” any Argentine action I still worry a desperate Argentine regime could still hurt the Falkland Islanders.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Do I want that to happen now?
    The wrath of the greedy descending on the poor and the old...
    A whole life of abuse to find nothing but mocking laughter at the end of the road, you think I want this?
    Damm fools, to blind to see not a path, but a Canyon of deceit and you enter like the sheep you are...

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @58 Talking to anyone in particular? Don't you understand about not posting junk mail? But let me “respond” for myself. I'm retired. I have lots of “life”. If it helps you, I've been hating argies, as opposed to Argentines, since 1982. It's difficult to quantify the amount of queer shite in the world. The largest “deposit” is in argieland. But there are many “droppings” elsewhere. For example, uruguay is mostly a steaming pile. There are very few places in latam that aren't steaming piles. Are you part of a steaming pile?
    @59 Take what? Got anything worth having? I have a kukri. Chop. Sausage and meatballs.
    @64 As the “argie public defender”, what is argieland going to do with its debts? At what point does argieland think that the world will “forget” its debts? Worth thinking about. When argieland loses in the U.S. When all the other bondholders decide they were defrauded. When argieland finds out it still owes US$900 billion. Going to pay up? Or pass it on to the kids?
    @67 Assuming you're not lying. For a change. It's actually around £174. Taking inflation into account.
    @68 You don't have a clue. Do tell us, in equivalent terms, how much Carthage was required to pay Rome in “war debt” after the First Punic War. And then you need to consider relativity. At the end of WW2 Britain had a debt of £21 billion. What would that be worth today? Repayable in 50 payments. And we paid it! Just as a thought £21 billion in 1950 would be as much as £2,097,000,000,000 in 2006. 2006 is when that British debt was finally repaid. Isn't that £2.097 trillion? Difference is that the UK is trustworthy. Argieland couldn't be trusted to repay 10 pence. And, it appears, neither could uruguay!
    @82 Don't worry about “Stevie”. He's still in “How to be an ignorant, uneducated asshole 101”. Ever seen any checkable facts and figures? He's just a dishonest, mouthy, uneducated slob. Sorry, that's DISHONEST, MOUTHY, UNEDUCATED SLOB. Let there be NO doubt!

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Is that a fart ?

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #83 You completely failed at your attempt to make any point, or even sense.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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