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Brexit impact on Falklands could be ''catastrophic” for the economy and might encourage Argentina
If Britain finally leaves the European Union it might encourage Argentina to be more aggressive, according to Sukey Cameron, Falkland Islands government representative in London interviewed by The Telegraph political correspondent Ben Riley-Smith. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules”the propaganda campaign waged by the government of Argentina, takes up a large amount of UK government time and effort”
Apr 26th, 2016 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really.......I do in fact have a suggestion that, perhaps might alleviate that problem...
@1 And that solution could be as simple as sending a couple of coded messages and authorising the turning of just two keys.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean three coded messages...
Apr 26th, 2016 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0One asking for permission from the US.....
@4
Apr 26th, 2016 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure what Europe did the last time The Falklands were occupied, in fact the French provided Exocet missiles to kill you.
This is a decision for the British people and other nations and territories with their own self serving economic interests should butt out and keep their biased opinions to themselves. Yes, that includes the Falklands and Gibraltar!
Quite the drama queen, Sukey.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess if the Falklands don't like the direction the UK takes, it could always declare independence and forge its own path.
Guess not... yet!
Did Sukey consult the people of the Falkland Islands before uttering this.It seems like a personal opinion.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands were British more than a hundred years before we joined the EU. However the EU which used to be the Common Market has been evolving and the UK can't end up as a shapeless society populated by people who don't love it and are in it for the benefits, or for to compete with the locals.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the end a UK like that would leave the Falklands even more vulnerable and ironically the islands would be one of the few British places left in the world.
For instance Germans should be in Germany giving love identity and life to their country, at present there are quite a few Germans who don't see what is going on there as the Remain supporters, nor in Austria either.. look at the votes.. EU has made some terrible mistakes and at the moment and we all need to step back and stop digging.
If BREXIT wins it will be good for the Falkalnds and for Europe.
Is Sukey Cameron related to David Cameron in some way? From the tone of her comments you'd be forgiven for thinking that was the case.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if the UK is out of the EU, it will/can still be in the EEC.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see no reason at all why the Falkland Islands, or any other BOT would not have their trade warmly welcomed by any/all EU countries in the event the UK does leave.
I the telegraph of course has its own agenda as a Tory mouth peice.
@3 “ You mean three coded messages...”
Apr 26th, 2016 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just two. One for force direction and the other an EAM function. Validate, and turn keys.
Unlikely any time soon, since the remaining argento fast-attack row-boat is still in dry-dock awaiting parts.
In 1982, the UK was in the EEC, which did little more than impose a trade embargo on Argentina, and Italy and soon to join Spain were downright hostile to the UK.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if it comes to regaining the UK's sovereignty and keeping this person, who might be closer to the UK establishment than is good for the Islands, happy, it's a fairly easy choice.
What the people of Britain vote for is nothing to do with the people of the Falkland Islands, the Falklands quasi politicians are better off keeping out of issues that are none of their business,
Apr 26th, 2016 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islands might save some money if they were not subsidising the sale of Falkand mutton to the EEC.
“If Britain finally leaves the European Union it might encourage Argentina to be more aggressive”
Apr 26th, 2016 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Short of launching an attack, the last tin pot peronist government of TMBOA could not surely have been more aggressive toward the Falklands. And during that time we were in the EU!
Where has Suky Cameron been hiding during the CFK years?
And exactly how many EU countries assisted the defence of the Falkland Islands? Answer=none.
The state of the British armed forces could be better but if the UK does leave the EU, how long have the Argentines got to get their armed forces to the standard where they could pose a serious threat?
Many British people supported the result of the Falkland Islands referendum as it was the will of the people.
Obviously the British people could vote to leave or stay in the EU, but whatever the British people decide Miss Cameron , you're going to have to live with it, because we are as entitled to have a referendum on our EU status (it is linked with sovereignty)as you were to have your referendum , again linked with sovereignty.
As British citizens do Gib/Falk get to vote...
Apr 26th, 2016 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either way they don't need a mouthpiece speaking for them....
...and leave that kettle alone....
TWIMC
Apr 26th, 2016 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Them Cameron Kelper lasses have always been on the smart side... and Sukey is no exception...
She's quite right, this time...
The BREXIT will be very detrimental for Brutish occupied Insular Argentina and a welcomed free gift for us at Continental Argentina...
C'mon, Great British Good Folks...
Follow the path of your Great National Heroes...
Follow Great William Wallace cry for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM...
Chuckle chuckle...
Mr. Think
Apr 26th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wallace was captured and betrayed by....John Menteith...a Scot...
His reward...Sheriff and keeper of Dumbarton Castle...
Betrayal comes from within...
Yeahhhh...
Apr 26th, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fause Menteith...
His father was a Lowlander...
And his mothef was a hamster....
@3. Out with the same hoary old chestnut. Can we make some things clear once and for all? The British method of authorising a nuclear strike is completely different and separate from the American method. The Americans “might” have an input if the President gets on the phone to the Prime Minister, immediately, and begs for a delay. The water belongs to no-one, the submarines belong to Britain, the missile bodies are already bought and paid for (see the Polaris Sales Agreement, modified for Trident), the warheads are British-designed and built, the Americans might be able to switch off GPS but, since that only affects the positioning of the submarine, no doubt the Royal Navy will be able to revert to older methods, like sextants or dead-reckoning.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Americans get no say in the process. Or do you not recall that, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the British V Force was loaded up, scrambled and headed for Russia without a single word from the Americans.
It's convenient for you to trot out the myth of American permission, but it just doesn't exist. Try the truth for a change.
@15. It must be very worrying for you. £19 billion a year better off. Enough for 3 more aircraft carriers. Or 19 Type 45 destroyers. Or 24 Astute class submarines. A thousand combat aircraft.
It looks like Sukey is doing her masters bidding and is simply more evidence of the panic that Camoron / Osborne are feeling.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obumma did the 'Leave' campaign a lot of good with his theatrical approach and threats of Armageddon.
Even more people, including some Senior Officials in the Civil Service were so enraged they are now in the Leave camp.
VOTE Leave!
At 18,
Apr 26th, 2016 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I served under this man, and he does not agree with what you say.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/?s=Cordingley
Look @18...he'a alive I tell you...ALIVE..!!!!
Apr 26th, 2016 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well bless my soul....
.Brexit Warning Issued By Falklands and Gibraltar
Apr 26th, 2016 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Voice
three coded messages...
One asking for permission from the US
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“The UK deterrent is not independent, we need US permission to use it”
This factually incorrect view is usually inspired by knee-jerk anti-Americanism
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/taking-down-the-arguments-against-trident/
Scroll down to the title and read it.
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Anyway this will generate many opinions,
Well this is my opinion only,
What help did you lot get from the mighty EU during the Falkland’s war,
What help does Gibraltar get from the mighty EU every time Spain takes the piss,
What help do you think you will get, if we stay in,
Remembering that eventually the British military may well be assimilated into this unmighty EU,
Remember the unmighty EU has not changed in over 70 years, it’s still moralistic incompetent idiotic and brainwashed to implement the united states of Europe whatever the costs,
If you people of the Falkland’s or Gibraltar think, know, or guarantee
That the unmighty EU will come to your rescue and send the French or German/Spanish to your aid, then by all means vote to remain,
If not vote to leave,
As this will guarantee you remain British.
Just my opinion, after all what do I know,
But im voting to leave, one would suggest your leaders do the same,
It’s too late to change your mind later.
47% vs 40%
Apr 26th, 2016 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon you sixty lazy million Poms, Jocks, Paddies & Taffies...
You can do better than that! Show them bloody Kelpers and Llanitos who's in command of the mighty UK!
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
Chuckle chuckle
Yeah that's democracy at work Think... you might not recognise it.
Apr 26th, 2016 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 022
Apr 26th, 2016 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton....
You do realise that...“The UK does not own its Trident missiles—they are leased from the USA. UK Trident submarines must regularly visit the US base at King's Bay, Georgia to return their missiles to the US stockpile for maintenance and replace them with others.”
and for other fun facts....
visit...
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmdfence/986/986we13.htm
(25) Mr. Voice
Apr 26th, 2016 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't you link to a more reputable source.?
Parliament.uk...? Who has ever heard of them...?
:-)))
.....;-))))))
Apr 26th, 2016 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Think, Voice - It is correct, the missiles (The D-5 technically) is a US system - there's a number of reasons, mostly historical - make no mistake about it, the D-5 is by some considerable margin the most reliable >90% launch success history (extremely good for SLBM's) and the most accurate (exact CEP classified but reliably understood to be in the tens of meters).
Apr 27th, 2016 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is very likely that the D-5's successor will be a UK program since all the tech trees required are now mature in Europe (even the French have them).
Although the deterrent is smaller than it should be the UK stockpile of bomb grade plutonium is somewhere in the region of 10 tonnes and the warheads themselves (thermonuclear) are manufactured in the UK - again, and for the 100th time, there is no external action required to launch - there have been multiple firing tests of the launch sequence under duress, the missiles do not interact with or require GPS, either - all of which is to say, or hint rather, that “independent” is used appropriately.
What the US COULD do, in theory, is to refuse to resupply the UK missiles as those from the UK requiring servicing are returned to the pool in the US - however since this would violate treaties of use and would only have a small reduction in the overall number of serviceable UK weapons there is pretty much no likelihood of this happening.
After quite a considerable absence I would like to congratulate our Argentinian friends for going to Rehab, while I have my doubts whether you will manage to go clean without a relapse I do very much hope to see a long-term return to sanity and prosperity in the hope that we can one day talk about your Falklands ambitions in the same friendly knowing terms that one would adopt with a bus driver who once dreamed of being an astronaut.
: )
Oh Sukey... Dear oh dear...
Apr 27th, 2016 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0...or the London taxi driver that dreamed of winning Mastermind...
Apr 27th, 2016 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0...hey wait a minute....;-)
(29) Jo Blogs
Apr 27th, 2016 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Dear oh dear” ... what?
The Cameron lass is the speaker of the FIG, the FIC and the FICC in the UK...
As such..., she just fulfilled her job by saying what she was oredered to say by her bosses...
Don't “dear oh dear” her for that....
Well at least her boss is the President of Argentina.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Always a silver lining.
Brexit or no Brexit you need to exit, go back home and return Malvinas.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Apr 27th, 2016 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0huh?
@34
Apr 27th, 2016 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you really stupid or just pretending?
Hu-huh, I think so.
@35
Apr 27th, 2016 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain
No one seemed to pick it up, so let me correct my comment @32.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well at least her boss ISN'T the President of Argentina.
Always a silver lining.... well perhaps gold considering the wealth of the Islands.
The Falkland Islanders have now gone home as you requested Marcos. Home to the Falkland Islands... now what? Or is your home Italy or Spain? Accept it is 2016 and your country miserably failed to land grab that which is never owned.
The only direction the Falkland Islands are heading is towards eventual independence. But that won't stop Argentina's claim. Like Venezuela and Guatemala you will continue to whinge and whine for a couple more centuries even when there is no hope whatsoever of it doing anything. Build a bridge....
Think - Sukey is indeed the spokesperson for FIG in London.Part of her job.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0She is NOT spokesperson for FIC - they are a commercial business and have their own offices in England. FICC - who are they?
Marcos - I live in my home country - my family have done peacefully for 8 generations since the 1840s and they ancestors never pushed others out to get the land either. How about you?
@ 37 Skip
Apr 27th, 2016 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, I spotted it, but I thought you were impugning Camron.
He needs impugning on a spear, sorry, that's impaling!
:o)
Cameron isn't the best I'll agree. But better than Corbyn or Macri I'm guessing.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0(38) Islander1
Apr 27th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Things are as follows...:
The FIC runs the FIG and owns the FICC*...
The Cameron lass is just their girl in London...
* (FICC ? = Ask Hamish !...;-)
Wow the Falklands government owns the Festival Internacional de Cine en la Ciudad de México?
Apr 27th, 2016 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's amazing.
Fantastic.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- You really are a generation or two out of date! I don't dispute that 40 yrs ago the FIC Falklands Manger could go and talk to the Governor - who in those days had a lot of day to day power - and expect t0 have the governor listen carefully and take into consideration what FIC thought.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But this country has moved
on a wee bit since then - and FIC is just one of several companies of similar size - it no longer has the economic and employment clout it had 40 plus years ago!
And if you know different - let us have the details?
Incredible and fantastical, Think.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(44) Islander1
Apr 27th, 2016 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I may even be three or four generations out of date in some regards...
But................. some things do not change that much, laddie...
One of them being................................: Money talks...
And money talks plenty in occupied Malvinas...
Pssssst, Tink, the Falklands are still British.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- laughable to imagine that Hamish is owned by FIC!- He is shareholder and MD of FIC,s main retail competitor who is successfully becoming the biggest and most popular retailer and wholesaler here.
Apr 27th, 2016 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Money - I can think of several companies who have quite a bit more at their disposal that FIC!
Sorry but you need to come up with far better! For info even 40 yrs ago FIC muttered just a bit about the words of a Councillor and threatened to make life a bit difficult- they were firmly told by even the then old style Governors that there was a bar in the “house” and they had a choice- back off or find themselves on court.
Appreciate Bribery is the norm in Argentina - but not in Govt here.
48 Islander1
Apr 27th, 2016 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think clearly came here in the 70s once or twice, probably around the time of the airport being built and that's where his snapshot of the place is frozen. It happens to a lot of old people and is quite understandable. He probably still has a list of the names of the big house occupants on all of the old farms.
Poor old Think.
Islander1... I didn't say that Hamish was owned by the FIC...!
Apr 27th, 2016 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said you should ask him to help you out of your ignorance and explain who the FICC are...
Anyhow... You are, of course, right about the FIC...
They have changed style and names to keep things the same....
Same gatopardism used when changing your name from “ Crown Colony” to “BOT”...
Different name..., same *#/t
Poor old Think.
Apr 28th, 2016 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think- Sorry but as a member for many many years and a previous Council member - no way does the FICC tell FIG what to do - it is usually ignored in fact - and no way does FIC tell it what to do - they have same voting power as our smallest self-employed member - ONE vote.
Apr 28th, 2016 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but on this topic you are indeed behind and out of touch.
Have known Sukey,s family all my life - and you don't get a person with much higher and deeper standards of ethics that her.
And if you cannot understand the difference in Islands Govt from being a Crown Colony 40 years ago - to being a BOT today - you really are out of touch!
Appreciate - a return for us to being a Colony is what you and other Argentines want.
52
Apr 28th, 2016 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'll get no reply from Think at this time of night; it's nearly 2.00am in Scotland. Even too late for a silly old fool with all sorts of sleep issues.
Poor old Think.
38 Islander1
Apr 28th, 2016 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Marcos - I live in my home country”
About time you realize that you live in Argentina!
Keep in mind that the DNI is sufficient and except in some circumstances there is no need in renouncing British citizenship if you wish. There is quite a large British community in mainland Argentina and you are unlikely to receive any negative attention, but just in case the topic comes up in conversation, it's best to refer to the islands by their real name: Las Malvinas :-)
The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Apr 28th, 2016 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Apr 28th, 2016 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, Marcos...
Just more hackneyed old dogma.
Here it is folks. Hepatia's second ever posting on this forum:
Apr 28th, 2016 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 016th June 2012
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/14/cameron-reaffirms-support-for-falkland-islanders-in-the-past-and-so-in-the-future#comment136192
“Here's a prediction for you. In 25 years time Argentina will exist and will be governing Las Malvinas. The main British economic activity will consist of the Brits spending their days dumpster diving.”
She has obviously refined her prediction to “within 25 years”.
I suggest we name 16th June, Hepatia Fail Day in honour of her prediction which now only has 21 years to run.
#hepatiafail
Marcos,
Apr 28th, 2016 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has it ever occurred to you that the Anglo-Argentines live in Argentina - By their own CHOICE?
That means they or their ancestors went their of their own free will.
Just ever such a little difference to what you want to do - impose Argentine rule over the Islands against the choice and wishes of the people who live in and have lived in the Islands of their own free choice for up to 8 generations.
Look up a dictionary - you will find it is called Colonialism - forcing someone to accept rule they do not want.
As for the Anglos - I am well aware of the Spanish/Italian Argentine nickname for them - “la gente con cara de papel higenico”
(58) Islander1
Apr 28th, 2016 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look up a dictionary - you will find Occupier - a member of a group that takes possession of a Country by force.
Occupier, noun
1. BRITISH
a person or company residing in or using a property as its owner or tenant, or (illegally) as a squatter.
2. a member of a group that takes possession of a country by force.
“the occupiers were reported to have rounded up civilians and carried them off to unknown fates”
Think
Apr 28th, 2016 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A person or company residing in or using a property as its owner or tenant”
The Falkland Islanders indeed own the Falklands and reside there - whats your point ?
”the occupiers were reported to have rounded up civilians and carried them off to unknown fates”
Apr 28th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like Stanley in April 1982.
Thanks for that Think.
@54:
Apr 28th, 2016 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“About time you realize that you live in Argentina!”
No, he's saying he lives in the Falklands, a British territory which Argentina has twice attempted to claim by usurpation.
“... just in case the topic comes up in conversation, it's best to refer to the islands by their real name: Las Malvinas”
So, you want them to refer to the Falkland Islands by their real name, but then you immediately refer to them by the *wrong* name used by unscrupulous adherents to a national lie. Which is it? The real name of the Falkland Islands, or the fake name?
@59:
“a person or company residing in or using a property as its owner or tenant...”
Like the Falkland Islanders - the legitimate inhabitants.
”or (illegally) as a squatter.“
Which can be factually applied to Argentina's two attempts at usurpation.
”2. a member of a group that takes possession of a country by force.“
As Argentina did in 1982, intending to occupy as described in the second half of the other definition.
That's the thing I don't get, every time you refer to the Falklands as ”Occupied Malvinas“, or slander the legitimate inhabitants as ”squatters”, you're lying, and for no good reason.
Why keep lying? It's clear you have no claim to either the Falklands or the moral high ground in the dispute, so why not own up, drop the fake claim and attempt to move forwards?
@ 62 CKurze30k
Apr 28th, 2016 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why keep lying? It's clear you have no claim to either the Falklands or the moral high ground in the dispute, so why not own up, drop the fake claim and attempt to move forwards?”
That would require intelligence and a moral compass, neither of which The Lunatic of Chew Butt possesses.
BTW Lunatic, remember when you claimed I would only last 2 years or so before going back to the UK?
Guess what, I am still here after FIVE years and still have no intention of ever 'going back'.
Do you ever get pissed off at being wrong all the time?
Think- Guess yours is and Arg author dictionary then? Mine- Collins - refers to Occupier (noun) as“ a person who is in possession or occupation of a house or land.
Apr 28th, 2016 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0verb- to occupy - to live or be established in a house etc
seems to fit the people who live in the Falklands in exactly the same way as it fits you and others who live in Argentina.
As for your bit about occupiers rounding up civilians and carting them off - yes that indeed fits 100% true just what Argentine Govt did to a number of Islanders in 1982 - some were thrown out of their own home birth country - others from Stanley dumped out on a remote farm - with their relatives not knowing where they were.
Oh - and the list of other names of all those who were to be ”removed” - had the Arg Gestapo and army not been kicked on on June 14th. We assume they would have perhaps all gone to help fed the fish in the river plate by aerial food drop.
poor old Marcos of course still cannot answer with how long his family have lived in Argentina- a bit difficult when he does not live there himself!
On a slightly different note, the first YouGov poll since the US president's intervention came out today:
Apr 28th, 2016 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leave: 42% (+2 since previous poll 2 weeks ago)
Remain: 41% (+1)
Undecided: 13% (-3)
Loving the “Obama Effect” so far, he should come round more often!
@63 “Why keep lying? It's clear you have no claim to either the Falklands or the moral high ground in the dispute, so why not own up, drop the fake claim and attempt to move forwards?”
Apr 28th, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because you took the islands from us, and we will never bend over to people who think they are superior like the British. We won't rest until we dominate you, and then you will realize that you are not superior to us.
This woman is entirely wrong .
Apr 28th, 2016 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK stays , there will be complete European integration and Britain's supposed vetoes will be either surrendered or forgotten in less than 5 years .
Foreign and military policy will be directed by Brussels .
Europeans are not interested in this silly dispute , only trade agreements , and they will hand the islands over in the flick of a signature if it means a trade deal with Mercosur .
In the meantime , keep up your meaningless claims about who was doing what in 1833 .That argument could blow up in your collective Argie faces , because Argentina didn't even stretch as far as Balcarce in those days , so you may end up handing everything south of there back to the original owners .
Britain's supposed vetoes will be either surrendered or forgotten in less than 5 years .
Apr 28th, 2016 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct.
66- Magnus - there you say it load and clear- Argentnine Intentions- “until you dominate us” - good old 18th century COLONIALISM!- - that what todays Argentina wants to impose over us, Glad you made it nice and clear.You may well find though that the rest of the world- well excluding Russia-China and N.Korea - has moved on a bit these last 100 years or so and Democracy and the Rights and Wishes and principles of Self Determination of Peoples over themselves tend to be more prevalent that a big stick threat by a foreign power
Apr 28th, 2016 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask Mr BankiMoon for a start?
Argentina will be turned over to China within 25 years.
Apr 28th, 2016 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#22: What help does Gibraltar get from the mighty EU every time Spain takes the piss...“
Apr 29th, 2016 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a lot actually. Spain closed the border in 1969 and Franco died in 1975. Did the border reopen?
No. That waited until 1985 - ten whole years. And why did it reopen?
Treaty for the Functioning of the European Union: Article 45: freedom of movement. Spain had to open the border - and must keep it open - as a condition of EU Membership.
It is the EU which forced Spain to reduce the queues imposed 3 years ago, not the UK.
It is the EU which prevents Spain from hijacking the Single Sky agreement in order to exclude Gibraltar.
It is the EU which forced Spain to open up phone lines into Gibraltar.
It is the EU Commission which overrode Spain, forcing it to accept the OECD's designation that Gibraltar is not a tax haven.
It is the EU that handles Spain's ridiculous complaints about Gibraltar on tax, environmental or other issues, an has thrown out every single one of them, leaving Spain nowhere to go.
It is the UK's membership of the EU that enables our services sector to operate in the single market of 520 million.
The UK has, of course, supported Gibraltar in fighting Spain's bullying through these legal channels: it is, after all, responsible for our foreign affairs.
But when it comes to any other Spanish silliness, the UK does nothing apart from send notes to Madrid. Only this morning I stood at my window watching a Spanish naval vessel sail past, a couple of hundred metres from the shore.
”If you people of ... Gibraltar think, know, or guarantee that the unmighty EU will come to your rescue and send the French or German/Spanish to your aid, then by all means vote to remain”
Sovereignty is, of course, a process that doesn't involve the EU: it is a matter for the UK and Gibraltar alone. The EU as an entity takes no position on Spanish claims other than ensuring it sticks to the law. Which is, of itself, a guarantee that Spain can't do anything about it.
71
Apr 29th, 2016 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's amazing how Gibraltar ever existed without the EU....
Remind me..how many years was that...?
#71
Apr 29th, 2016 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sovereignty is, of course, a process that doesn't involve the EU”
You are kidding me right ? The EU is all about Sovereignty !
Specifically removing as much as possible from its component nations in order to secure conformity to its edicts & dictats by an unelected and unaccountable group of faceless beaurocrats. National Governments and the European Parliaments are just so much window dressing to disguise this reality. The EU is like bindweed, pervasive, restrictive & slowly choking its hosts to death almost unnoticed......almost
71 sceptic64
Apr 29th, 2016 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thank you for your reply,
you seem to have given the sole reason why Gibraltar should remain with the EU,
as for ,
Sovereignty is, of course, a process that doesn't involve the EU,
you again are correct [today]
but we both know what a future united states of Europe ,
will include sovereignty, European sovereignty,
as their will be no independent countries,
if or course they get their wish, the Eu could well crash long before then, who knows what the future will hold,
I hope we brits leave...
just my opinion of course
@74
Apr 29th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are correct today”........... no not even today.
the whole essence of the referendum on 23 June is whether to reclaim full sovereignty for UK, or, whether to leave it pooled in the EU - in which case the EU is the supreme power, the European Courts have ultimate authority etc etc
Then the sooner we leave the better.
Apr 30th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK should leave.
Apr 30th, 2016 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Britworker
May 01st, 2016 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Propeller System of the French Exocet Missiles is provided by Rolls Royce of G. B.
I've not heard one decent reason to stay in the EU. I've heard scare tactics and dire predictions but those aren't reasons or even facts.
May 01st, 2016 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK was a world power before it got tangled up in that mess and it will be after it gets untangled.
50/50 polling now doesn't bode well for staying.
47% against / 41% for Brexit
May 01st, 2016 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Them Euroloving Banksters, City Speculants, Politicians, Kelpers and Llanitos still ruling over the noble British Working Class....
C'mon you common Taffys, Jocks, Paddys & Poms.....
RISE AND VOTEFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOM....
;-)))
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
Mr. Think
May 01st, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the undecided it will be near enough 60/40 against...
It was the same with the Scottish Referendum...the undecided played the safe bet and swung it....
Hope may spring eternal, but you are backing the wrong horse....;-)
I still haven't decided what I'll vote but I am not convinced that leaving EU will be bad for BOTs. If I can't decide I'll vote to stay. It's a no brainer.
May 01st, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(81) Mr. Voice
May 01st, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I seldom back the wrong horse...
But I often back the losing one...
Kind of “Story of me life”... :-(
Little chuckle
El Think
82. Staying in the EU will be the end of UK sovereignty
May 01st, 2016 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is hanging on by a thread
That's the choice.
The EU is a sinking ship
Jump while you still can
or go down with it
84
May 01st, 2016 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the EU is a sinking ship...then I presume it is bound to sink...
Then I presume that all the countries will separate and gain their sovereignty...
I'm thinking you didn't think that one through...
@ 82 Jo Bloggs
May 01st, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought the FIs were about ensuring the Falklands continues independently?
If the ditherers vote remain you will see how long Britain itself remains independent and it won't be long.
What do you think will happen to the Falklands then?
Think of the EU as you do The Dark Country only an order of magnitude worse.
(85) Mr. Voice
May 01st, 2016 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good Thinking :-)))
@85 ThinkVoice
May 01st, 2016 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If the EU is a sinking ship...then I presume it is bound to sink...
Then I presume that all the countries will separate and gain their sovereignty...
I'm thinking you didn't think that one through...”
Except that they will ALL sink together, the drowning pulling the others under. They will only separate after they are economically underwater.
You didn't think that through, did you... ?
Not quite what I was thinking Voice...
May 01st, 2016 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crab mentality is a phrase popular among Filipinos, and was first coined by writer Ninotchka Rosca, in reference to the phrase crabs in a bucket It describes a way of thinking best described by the phrase “if I can’t have it, neither can you.” The metaphor refers to a pot of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the pot, but instead, they grab at each other in a useless “king of the hill” competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise. The analogy in human behavior is that members of a group will attempt to “pull down” (negate or diminish the importance of) any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, conspiracy or competitive feelings.
The concept figures prominently in Terry Pratchett‘s novel “Unseen Academicals.” A fish monger does not bother to keep a lid on the crab bucket because “any that tries to get out gets pulled back.” The protagonist comes to realize that his social status results not from external repression, but from his own low expectations of himself: “The worst of it is, the crab that mostly keeps you down is you.”
This term is broadly associated with short-sighted, non-constructive thinking rather than a unified, long-term, constructive mentality. It is also often used colloquially in reference to individuals or communities attempting to improve their socio-economic situations, but kept from doing so by others attempting to ride upon their coat-tails or those who simply resent their success.
The popularity of the phrase has made accusing opponents of crab mentality a common form of defense against criticism, whether the criticism is valid or not. In logic, this tactic is considered a common logical fallacy known as argumentum ad invidiam, or appeal to envy.
84 and 86
May 01st, 2016 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am leaning towards 'leave' but it's difficult. It's hard to imagine that the UK couldn't make a success of it on their own. Obviously they did before but it's not as simple as that. The restrictions being part of the EU impose on the UK (and all member States) are frustrating.
Troy, of course you are quite right. It's not like it's all going to end abruptly and clean
Y. It was be a decades-long, ugly mess.
(89) Turnip Fred Bates, Watchington DC
May 01st, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly...
When borrowing material from Wikipedia it Iis common courtesy to give it credit....
Secondly...
Crab Mentality..... huhhhhh?
In my ancestors Lands of Sverige, Norge og Denmark we call it “Law of Jante”...
Does work pretty sweet for them three of the best Countries in the world... Doesn't it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
@89 Fred Bates/YB/Luci
May 01st, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wiki plagiarizing, huh... ?
And here I thought you had a 'Lucid' moment of original insight...
While it is always dangerous for stronger swimmers to save a drowning man, I think it has more to do with the desperation of those going under, than a jealous element.
I could be wrong, look at Brassiere, Nostrils, Vestige, Dany, Paul Cedron, et al.
TWIMC
May 01st, 2016 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geeeeeeeeeeeeeée........
I just noted an imperdonable omission in my post (91)
It should read...:
”In my ancestors Lands of Island, Sverige, Norge og Denmark we call it...: “Law of Jante”...
Does work pretty sweet for them four of the best Countries in the world... Don't you Think???
http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/best.html
Mange gode hilsner fra
El Think...
It must be nice never to be lonely with all the personas in your head.
May 01st, 2016 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So vastly different
Bah!
Sad
”In my ancestors Lands of Island, Sverige, Norge og Denmark...“
May 02nd, 2016 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to sound pompous and use endonyms then do so. Don't mix it with exonyms. Or is my ancestral land of Denmark not good enough?
Ísland and Danmark....
Oh and ”og” isn't a Swedish word... it's 'och'!
Seems to me that Ms Cameron missed a wonderful opportunity to keep her opinions to herself. Grave lack of discretion. Hope the Falklanders sack her.
May 02nd, 2016 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0(95) Skippy, my sweet monolingial Ozzie lad...
May 02nd, 2016 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Oh and ”og” isn't a Swedish word... it's 'och'!”
I say...:
Correct, “og” isn't a Swedish word...
It's a Norwegian and a Danish word...
Quite useful when one wants to write **“Norge og Danmark”** in either Norwegian or Danish...
97. Nice morning in Scotland?
May 02nd, 2016 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am surprised you can even remember the place you claim to be from...
Nice morning in Chubut, anyhow...
May 02nd, 2016 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 007:50 am just now...
Turnip
Did you have to look that up?
May 02nd, 2016 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You dragged out all the old favorites last night.
Must have been fun for you.
(100) Fred Bates, Watchington BC
May 02nd, 2016 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Juppp, I had to look at the GP Seahawk 1940's I'm wearing this week....
Returning to the Brexit story and good old British traditions...
I read in the papers that Citizen Khan has a pretty good chance of becoming London's Mayor...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/26/article-2433253-183EDB0D00000578-517_634x767.jpg
Chuckle chuckle...
Nice to see which part gets a reply.
May 02nd, 2016 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fail!
Sure.
May 02nd, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny all the personas that think I'm Fred all use the same syntax
Isn't that strange?
@103.
May 02nd, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...Isn't that strange?”
...says the puppet that sounds like Fredbdc/Yankeeboy.
#95
May 02nd, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Och” in Scots is a mild expletive used to express frustration or annoyance.
eg. Och, bugger off !
Og is also a word in Scottish/Irish Gaelic meaning “young”
#91
JANTE'S LAW These appear to be it's precepts. If you are of some Scandiwegian stock then it seems that you should follow them to the letter.
You seem to have had the Argentinian model of “viveza criolla” welded into your being.
You're not to think you are anything special.
You're not to think you are as good as we are.
You're not to think you are smarter than we are.
You're not to convince yourself that you are better than we are.
You're not to think you know more than we do.
You're not to think you are more important than we are.
You're not to think you are good at anything.
You're not to laugh at us.
You're not to think anyone cares about you.
You're not to think you can teach us anything.
forstå
Some still Think remainians will win,
May 02nd, 2016 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0self serving one suspects,
wait and see.
Doesn't Troy post like Think/Voice/Vestige?
May 02nd, 2016 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or am I imagining something?
May 02nd, 2016 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...I don't doubt that you are imagining something...
Juppp...
May 03rd, 2016 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle :0)))))
Oh they're all out to play!
May 03rd, 2016 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or is it just one?
110 Fred Luciboy
May 03rd, 2016 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you related to Marilyn Manson?
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