An Argentine court on Tuesday prosecuted ex president Cristina Fernandez and her children, Maximo and Florencia, as alleged heads of an illicit organization to launder money in association with public works contractors. The ruling includes the seizure of family assets equivalent to US$ 8.5 million and handing over their passports. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFantastic news; made my day!
Apr 04th, 2017 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Mr. Falklanlad...
Apr 04th, 2017 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -10Enjoy your day.., me dear Kelper...
But allow me to tell you that there is as much meat in the above story as it was in the story about that new island that recently emerged in the South Atlantic Ocean, about 150 miles north of Steeple Jason/Isla de los Salvajes...
Ah, Mr Think, nice to hear from you. Seabed floor ooze quite a bit different to dollars and real estate on gods land, me thinks! Lets see if your prediction firms; somehow I doubt it. Chrissie is being taken to task, belatedly I would say, but deservedly so.
Apr 04th, 2017 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Bit early to judge Tinkle
Apr 04th, 2017 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle... Have a look on eBay for all those diamond encrusted Rolexes and ratings.... Going cheap....
Apr 04th, 2017 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Falklanlad...
Apr 04th, 2017 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Always a pleasure...
But allow me to repeat that there ain't no protein in this specific case called LOS SAUCES...
As there ain't any in two other causes open against Mme. Kirchner..., called HOTESUR and DOLAR FUTURO...
Remember those three names...: LOS SAUCES..., HOTESUR..., DOLAR FUTURO...
If I'm wrong.. I'll eat a whole humble pie in these very pages...
Greetings from Continental Patagonia to Insular Patagonia
El Think...
|to discredit and tarnish the good name of the family.
Apr 04th, 2017 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +4A bit of an oxymoron.
On a lighter note, the gangster queen has revealed herself in some interesting conversations with her chief thug...
Apr 04th, 2017 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +4http://www.thebubble.com/new-leaked-audio-cfk-goes-after-stolbizer-and-tinelli/
Well...judge Bonadio is just doing what the government needs: the possibility of taking Cristina down before the October election should she be high on the polls (she has been steadily going up in Buenos Aires province in spite of the previous efforts of the busybody judge).
Apr 05th, 2017 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse -9Enrique
Apr 05th, 2017 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse +5Busybody Judge?
I suppose he is 'nosy' too?
Let's be patronising in your usual way and trivialising serious criminal actions.
No, this is a serious legal proceeding by an accomplished esteemed Judge, generated by investigation and evidence of fraud, corruption, and abuse of Public Office.
Wow, listen to that cheesy bandoneon music as the Torturer's Tango Duo waltz around the room. Hey Kamerad/Komrade Rique, looks like one of your favorite K thugs has finally been caught with the goods. Bummer, eh?
Apr 05th, 2017 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://www.thebubble.com/new-group-of-unexplained-assets-belonging-to-milagro-sala-revealed-on-la-cornisa/
Sr. Massot...
Apr 05th, 2017 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse -5And.........., after doing what the government needs..., that being..., trying to take Cristina down before the October midterm elections..., judge Bonadio declared himself INCOMPETENT IN THE CASE and send the whole case to Judge Ercolini..., in charge of the cloned case Hotesur...
http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/bonadio-imputo-a-cristina-y-la-embargo-en-130-millones-por-la-causa-los-sauces
TWIMC...:
i can see that Mme President Cristina Elisabet Fenandez de Kirchner's iconic Rolex watch has again been mentioned in here...
Tons of misleadig info have been posted about that little watch on the Internet..., mentioning values up to U$D 150,000.- !
Truth is that Cristinas cute little timepiece is a..:
Gold Rolex Datejust with diamond bezel with a value of ~ U$D 10,000.-《Ref. No. 69138》
More or less same price as a japanese Grand Seiko 《Ref. No. SBGR 305》...
About four times cheaper than the going price of me auld IWC Portuguese 《Ref. No. 325》...
And a least forty times cheaper than a very sober Patek Phillipe Minute Repeater 《Ref. No. 5078P-001》 I once spotted on the wrist of a yong Engrish politician called David Cameron...:-)
I just wonder what will happen when they find the full stash.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +5judge Bonadio declared himself INCOMPETENT IN THE CASE and send the whole case to Judge Ercolini
Apr 05th, 2017 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hmm, why did he do that? According to The Bubble, Bonadio argues that the high-profile cases in which Fernández is being investigated — Los Sauces, Hotesur and the corruption case being investigated by Judge Julián Ercolini — should be all grouped into a single case because they all share an M.O and have the same main actors. That doesn't seem particularly sinister.
As for imoyaro's links, I don't understand why anyone famous is willing to talk on the phone these days, with all this wire-tapping going on. And how do the papers get hold of them anyway?
Bad news for the Shitstirring turnip and the Hypocrite! Embarrassing Villa 31 to be cleaned up...Peronist crooks assetts seized and on sale on eBay, corruption prosecution pending, choripan handouts discontinued, horsemeat prices tumbling, economy on the up...WTF?
Apr 05th, 2017 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Chuckle chuckle...
I see a bit of panic amongst the CFK devotees. You have to wonder why Kirchner supporters think it is perfectly fine for a socialist government to steal from them as long as they tell them what they want to hear.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +5I am not sure who EM speaks to in BsAs but all the former CFK supporters I know despise her now.
Surely EVITA K is a lame duck candidate now - far too much baggage.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Scioli would do better running now, without her.
Mr. DemonTree...
Apr 05th, 2017 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The cloned cases... shortly explained...
- 1) It was Judge Bonadio who ordered the cloning of the original Hotesur case in the first place..., creating a redundantly mirrored Los Sauces case under his jurisdiction...
- 2) Immediatly after the succesful cloning of the original Hotesur case..., he expressly processed..., imputed..., embargoed and forbode Cristina & family to leave the Country so the yellow press had their news to publish...
- 3) A millisecond after processing..., imputing..., embargoing and forbiding Cristina & family to leave the Country in the clonedLos Sauces case..., he declared himself INCOMPETENT IN THAT VERY CASE... and returned everyrhing to Judge Ercolini to be..., again..., merged into the original Hotesur” case...
Capisce...?
TWIMC
I kindly ask anybody that is in possesion..., or can find just ONE (1) picture of Mme President Cristina Elisabet Fenandez de Kirchner wearing ANY other watch than that little lady Rolex..., to link us to said picture..
The same goes for just ONE (1) picture of Mme President Cristina Elisabet Fenandez de Kirchner wearing just ONE(1) pair of Christian Louboutin shoes...
It shouldn't be soooooo dificult..., laddies...
The yellow press tells us that she has bought hundreds of them...;-)
BTW...
The latest Voting Intention Reports for Mme President Cristina Elisabet Fenandez de Kirchner in the upcoming midterm elections give her just over 50% of the popular vote...!
There is panic alright...
But not between her folks...
KFC is another Elmelda Marcos, but more trashy. Bled the naive hoodwinked turnips of RGland almost dry whilst feeding them horsemeat Choripans! Her Rolex stash is said to rival Emelda's shoes only much more valuable.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Chuckle chuckle... Swivel eyed fools...
As if all the other criminal charges against Kirchner were not enough, in recent days articles have appeared in the Argentina media about some 14 additional undeclared Kirchner real-estate properties, which seem to implicate CFK in violation of a number of other tax and reporting statutes. Looks like Baez is involved as well. The discoveries of the unreported Kirchner properties evidently resulted from investigations into the Hotesur and Los Sauces prosecutions. Evidence of Kirchners' criminal activity seems to be piling up quickly.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +3http://www.perfil.com/politica/hallaron-14-propiedades-de-cristina-kirchner-sin-declarar.phtml
La Justicia encontró 14 propiedades sin declarar de Cristina Kirchner
http://www.perfil.com/politica/hallaron-14-propiedades-de-cristina-kirchner-sin-declarar.phtml
Yeah, that story was in Infobae as well a couple of days ago...
Apr 05th, 2017 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.infobae.com/politica/2017/04/02/la-justicia-encontro-14-propiedades-sin-declarar-de-cristina-kirchner/
So much for Gauchito Drink's attempts to deflect. ;)
Ha ha Think/voice is rattled, in his 'heightened state' he forgot how to post more than one link on MP.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique, any comments?
@Kanye
Apr 05th, 2017 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Markič isn't Gauchito Drink, his link to the story is legit, my link covers the same story from a different source. Basically she had properties she did not declare to the tax agency. (Big surprise!) ;)
Geeeeeeeeeeeeee....
Apr 05th, 2017 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Sherlock Markič & Watson Imoyaro just above are some bright detectives....!
But.................... Why didn't they just read the last paragraph of the above article...? ...:
《Adding to her legal challenges, last weekend the ongoing investigation discovered that Cristina Fernandez owns an additional fourteen houses in Santa Cruz, most of them in Rio Gallegos, that were never declared to the tax office or the anticorruption desk.》
Well...
- Some of this News ain't sooo New at all...
Eight of those properties are 2 x 4 small one room rental apartments build over two office buildings in the centre of Rio Gallegos that have been explained before...
In principle...,they have all been declared long ago under the original municipal matricle of the office buildings... but there seems to be some burocratic twist and doubts about their Tax Status...
Don't know much about the other six (6) Newly Discovered Properties but some sources mention three (3) small lots of about 400 m2 between them...
As they use to call cases like these in me auld Country...
ONE LITTLE FEATHER THAT BECOMES FIVE CHICKENS
I don't expect Cristina's lawyers having any problems explaining them...
Of course you don't, now have another swig of whiskey, Gauchito Drink.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1http://www.adramgooddrink.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Cut-Spike-Whiskey-Tasting-2.jpg
Little shitstirrer Think seems to have an intimate knowledge of KFC's affairs, often swoons over his fallen idol too? Do they put a drug in them Choripans? It's where all that money came from the prosecution will be sniffing out and how government contractors could reserve pay for and never use rooms in KFCs hotels? Corruption on a massive scale.... Wonder if any investigators or prosecutors will get terminated?
Apr 05th, 2017 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Just can't help to delight myself reading Pagina/12. Shoot Christina in the headlines. Poor lady. She has done so much for this country.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Yeah that is funny. Of course the rest of the article denies everything, which is equally hilarious. ;)
Apr 05th, 2017 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Apr 05th, 2017 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2According to The Bubble (04/05/2016):
The investigation began after former presidential candidate and Progressive Front leader Margarita Stolbizer — who also was responsible for the launch of the Hotesur investigation — pressed charges against Los Sauces for allegedly renting its real estate to companies owned by the former President’s main business partners: Lázaro Báez, the main State contractor under the Kirchner administrations, and Cristóbal López, another businessman.
Also “In Hotesur, favors were paid through room rental. When it comes to Los Sauces, favors were paid through real estate rentals from Lázaro Báez and Cristóbal López’s companies,” said Stolbizer after pressing charges, which will be investigated by Judge Claudio Bonadio, whose known anti-Kirchnerism is probably not making the accused leap for joy.
http://www.thebubble.com/new-embezzlement-charge-cristina/
So the charges were pressed by Stolbizer (again), and that was back in May. It also says Judge Bonadio was originally working on the Hotesur case:
www.thebubble.com/judge-bonadio-moves-hotesur-case-forward/
”Bonadio has been investigating Hotesur ever since Congresswoman and GEN party presidential hopeful Margarita Stolbizer formally accused the company last year.
Since then, he has been antagonized by the Victory Front (FpV). Its members in the Council of Magistrates, led by representative Julián Álvarez, presented a dictum last year to suspend the judge for “poor performance,” but they weren’t able to obtain the nine votes out of 13 required to send his file to a judge’s jury.
After this, academic counselor Jorge Candis introduced a motion for a 30% cut to Bonadio’s salary for performing his job poorly in two cases he led in the 1990s. Candis got it approved with seven votes out of 13 needed.”
So why was that one passed to Judge Ercolini instead?
Also if CFK is elected does that give her immunity from prosecution?
And why the obsession with watches and shoes?
Geeeeeee....., lad...
Apr 05th, 2017 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Don't you have enough with that BREXIT mess of yours ..instead of picking an interest in trying to decipher the cavernous intricacies of some Petite Machiavellian Political Intrigues in a Country at the end of the World you know nothing about...?
About them watches...
I just luuuuv those small devilish mechanical contraptions...
Besides..., I find they offer a fairly quick little anthroposophical insight into their owners psyche...
About them Louboutin shoes...
Just debunking one of poster ElaineB's favourite perfidities...
@ DT
Apr 05th, 2017 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +4To answer the question Think doesn't want to, yes CFK would be immune from prosecution whilst in office. The rest is all misdirection. Think is very rattled. So rattled he is trying to make me the subject of the discussion rather than the criminal acts of CFK.
Brexit's too depressing, I need a distraction.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Anyway, it sounds like your short explanation is not so accurate. Why are you so sure CFK is innocent? Suppose she really was trying to help the poor, it doesn't mean she wasn't helping herself to money on the side. People who agree with you politically aren't necessarily any more moral than those who disagree.
I find they offer a fairly quick little anthroposophical insight into their owners psyche...
I got mine at Argos, what does that say about me?
@EB
Ah, I thought so. What are the chances of her going on trial for any of these 3 cases before the election?
To a point, I understand MP commentators having a one-side view of the reality in Argentina. The above article is clearly aligned with the most anti-Kirchner position. Being limited to reading the Bubble besides MP does not make for good information either. Media abroad is not interested--they will only looking at Argentina when a national election--or a national catastrophe--takes place.
Apr 05th, 2017 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Now, about judge Bonadio's story above:
Bonadio's Los Sauces investigation ran for two years and included 40 warrant searches. Bonadio's 392-page file contains no proof, no evidence, no findings. The valiant judge wasn't able to find a single bank account abroad. The properties supposedly object of maneuvers were all rented and the tenants were home when Bonadio raided them. The rent being paid is at current market value.
Declaring himself incompetent and passing on the (hot?) potato to judge Julian Ercolini is but an implicit acknowlegment of his failure to prove anything. The merging with other investigations argument is a but a red herring.
Let's add that Bonadio, who has committed numerous judicial irregularities during his career was taken off the Hotesur investigation due to alleged irregularities.
Some judge, this Bonadio.
Where are all these judges taught, as most seem to be incompetent or is it the justice system that is absurd. How long has does it take to decide whether a person has taken his own life or was murdered?
Apr 05th, 2017 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@ EM
Apr 05th, 2017 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +4I think I have a more balanced view of Argentina as it is now than you. I have spent considerable time there over the last 7 or 8 years and travelled the length and breadth of the country. I also went there with a completely unbiased view and gained my insight by meeting people of all incomes and political views. Also, I don't form an opinion based solely on reading The Bubble or sticking with only media than agrees with the opinion I formed over time. Though you should consider The Bubble fairly impartial since the editorial bent is totally devoted to Argentina but not enamoured with any particular political party.
If CFK is innocent and you believe in the judicial system in Argentina then what are you so rattled about? If you think the judicial system cannot be trusted then surely it was open to exploitation by CFK when she was in power. The truth is the Kirchners were not wealthy when they took power. CFK didn't even graduate as a lawyer and yet she is fabulously wealthy now. She used to poke fun at poor people - remember that? How do you explain the jump to uber wealthy?
Mr. DemonTree...
Apr 05th, 2017 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -41) Why I am so sure CFK is innocent..? For starters..., because I have read extensively and broadly about those three cases.., including many of the official court papers and nobody..., and I mean..., NOBODY..., has yet presented any proof of any crime... Ergo..., she's innocent until proven otherwise... You..., on the other hand..., have read The Bubble.com..., a near literal translation of Clarin...
2) As I have said in here many times..., I disagreed with the former Kirchner administration in many points... That doesn't detract from the fact that their administrations have been the best Argentina has ever had...
3) You bought your watch at Argos..., you say... Well... if i am correct in asuming that you are around 30..., then it says that you are part of a 20% minority in that target group that wears a wristwatch...,and that you are a price conscious young man... I would need the brand and model of the watch to say any more...
4) I can see that..., for years now..., Turnipette ElaineB hasn't been able to find one single picture of Mme. Kirchner wearing Louboutins...
That little porky teller
@ Think
Apr 05th, 2017 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Why are you so obsessed with me? Is it because I speak sense and that undermines your propaganda peddling for the Kirchners? Have I ever posted a picture or a link on here? Why would I look for pictures of CFK? I am not a fanboy like you.
@ DT The fact that the CFK fan thinks the Kirchners were good for Argentina tells you a lot about his lack of intellect and blind devotion. CFK destroyed the economy and put the country on a course to drive off a cliff. If she was still running the country it would resemble Venezuela now.
@Think
Apr 05th, 2017 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +21) Is anything I quoted from The Bubble actually wrong? You and EM don't seem to be saying the same thing about the Los Sauces investigation. Plus the whole thing seems dodgy to me. Politicians pressing charges against their rivals, judges who are biased but nevertheless continue working on the case, and the government attacking the judges for doing their job. And then there are the wire-taps... Do you trust the justice system to give a fair verdict?
2) It would be more convincing if you didn't keep going on about how brave, beautiful etc, CFK is. But I wasn't here when she was president so I don't know how often you disagreed with her in practice.
3) 20% sounds way too low. I'm sure most of my friends wear watches and a few have Smart Watches. I don't remember the model, but it's just a normal watch with no fancy features, except for being solar powered; I got tired of replacing the battery. I catch the train to work so I need to know the time.
4) I was going to have a look and see if there are any pictures of CFK wearing Louboutins, but then I realised I have no damn idea how to tell if a shoe is a Louboutin or some cheapo brand. Oh well.
Tell us O Think, how did CFK become so very wealthy? Not on a Presidents salary I will be bound
Apr 06th, 2017 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +2@ElaineB
Apr 06th, 2017 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse -5Oh, not rattled at all, but thank you for worrying about me. In my previous post I just stated some facts that show how a particular judge has been investigating former president Cristina Fernandez.
One of those facts tells you that a judge has been working hard and two years and 40 search warrants later, he hasn't found the smoking gun. So, he decides to: Prosecute Cristina. Seize her money. Seize her passport. Next, he hands the whole thing to a colleague...to see if he can have better luck perhaps?
Now you can come up with other facts, for example, and demonstrate mine are wrong.
You claim of having gone to Argentina with a completely unbiased view and gained my insight by meeting people of all incomes and political views I do recall that the electors were about half and half in the last election. So if you spoke to a representative sample of the population you got feedback about 50-50. However, you seem to have taken into account about half of the input. What happened to the other half?
Anyway. You seemed to almost make sense in some lines of your posting. But then you come up with things like this:
CFK destroyed the economy and put the country on a course to drive off a cliff.
Now, Elaine, how serious your sources are? How trustful the people you talk to who are? In the current times, people are beginning to compare. Today I listened to real owners of small and medium-size companies. I wanted to cry. Metalmechanics, textile, plastics, electronics, some with 10 workers, others with 100. They spoke about how dropping domestic purchase power and wide-open imports are hurting their sales--in the last 15 months. Tomorrow, there is the first general strike that the Macri government faces.
In the meantime, you haven't spoken a single word about the current situation in Argentina. All we get from you is how bad Cristina was. Really, Elaine--how objective you think you are?
Poor, poor Enrique Massot writes :To a point, I understand MP commentators having a one-side view of the reality in Argentina.
Apr 06th, 2017 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse +2Poor, poor Enrique Massot hasn't got a clue to what really happened and happens in Argentina, where he hasn't set his foot for more than 40 years.
We who live here know how it was and how it is.
Las cuentas del Estado Nacional cerraron el 2015 con un déficit de $ 291.660 millones
2015, the year the Kirchner era ended showed a deficit of more than U$S 29 billion.
Today I listened to real owners of small and medium-size companies. I wanted to cry. Metalmechanics, textile, plastics, electronics, some with 10 workers, others with 100.
Apr 06th, 2017 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1Sure you did, Kamerad/Komrade Rique. In a dream perhaps? Did you call them all individually? Finally go down to Argentina, avoid arrest, and speak to them personally? Or did you just tune into your favorite Narcokleptocratic news radio or TV station to listen to a bunch of actors reciting a script? You know, I'm not a real owner of a small or medium size company, but I play one on C5N!
I would like to know the following, Is there any justice in Argentina ? As one judge hands it to another and so it goes on, does anyone get justice? It seems to me that you go to trial if ever and at the last minute the court says Oh you have to come back next year as the government has changed and the judge has been suspended .Nisman case has been going on for how long? and still no-one has found out whether he killed himself or was murdered. Jesus, thank the Lord I don't live in such a f***ked up country.
Apr 06th, 2017 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse +2Oh I don't know. Hillsborough inquest 27 years, Chilcot report 7 years, Libor rigging 5 years - maybe this is normal for high profile cases?
Apr 06th, 2017 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Sr. Enrique Massot...
Apr 06th, 2017 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Thanks for the tip...
Excellent program with REAL owners of small productive industries in Argentina...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnt4s81mIfU&feature=youtu.be
The cast..., by order of appearance ...:
Felipe Artacho... Owner of.........: anteojosniveluno.com.ar
Ariel Aguilar.......... President of.....: www.cuerocima.com.ar
Aldo Lo Russo...... Owner of..........: tallerbaigorria.com
Favio Dones.......... Owner of..........: www.cuni.com.ar
Damian Regalini.... President of....: www.cafama.com.ar
Raul Hutin.............. Owner of.........: www.scaltersrl.com.ar/empresa.html
Leo Bilanski....................................: www.mundoempresarial.com.ar/tema/leo%20bilanski
Andrés Capriati...... Owner of........: www.mercomacsrl.com.ar
Augusto Santucho. Owner of........: fametalaceros.com.ar
Faltan solo siete meses y lo tenemos bién junado al gato este...;-)
Saludos patagonicos
El Think
Reekie,
Apr 06th, 2017 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Bonadio's Los Sauces investigation ran for two years and included 40 warrant searches. Bonadio's 392-page file contains no proof, no evidence, no findings.
This reminds me of a similar claim that the Troll made about the Panama papers before they were available in any accessible format and before anyone (including the Troll) had actually read them all. I called him out on it and he did his usual name change by way of running away from the challenge.
So, to your claims:
- no proof - this would be true since nothing would be proven in law until the case is heard so I'll give you that one. But, if nothing is proven until the case is heard why are you trying to make a deal about something that cannot, legally, be present in the report?
- no evidence, no findings Really? The results of all of the searches would be evidence, even if they don't indicate any guilt.
So, can you point to the source of your claims?
Or did you invent them to fit your world view and then reported them as some sort of credible facts in the hope that we'd believe you based on your reputation?
Mr. DemonTree...
Apr 06th, 2017 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -5You ask..:
Do you trust the justice system to give a fair verdict?
I say...:
I'll make it easy for you..., lad...
Using the the ECTS scale I would give the Argie Judiciary System an FX..
In comparison..., I would grade the Engrish Judiciary System with a B... (With down tendency)
Capisce...?
20% is right in the 20-30 years bracket ...
Young ones use their smartphones... Smart-wearables are a new development... I wouldn't call them wristwatches...
You ”don't remember which watch you are wearing on your wrist..., you say...?
Try looking at the watch on your wrist... boy... Maybe your memory will return...;-)
A shoe is a Louboutin (or some cheapo fake) if it incorporates a shiny, red-lacquered sole like these...:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Louboutin_altadama140.jpg
Nice... huhhhh?
Now... be a good boy and try googleing just one single picture of Mme. Kirchner wearing Louboutins...
That would make little porky teller ElaineB very happy... ;-)))
Fortunately the British legal system doesn't feature 'suiciding' of investigators at the behest of diamond encrusted, Rolex flaunting trashy suspects. In that respect it's worth an A+.
Apr 06th, 2017 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Think
Apr 06th, 2017 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you know all about the ECTS scale? Surely that's not very useful in rural Patagonia?
I looked at pictures until I got bored, which didn't take very long, but I did not see any red soles. She does seem to like very high heels though, is CFK short or something?
Which points did you disagree with the Kirchner administration on?
Also what do you mean by 'gato este' above?
Mr. DemonTree...
Apr 07th, 2017 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse -5You asked me earlier...:
@Think... Is anything I quoted from The Bubble actually wrong?
I say...:
Yes..., there is...
Lets just take the first quote were it says..:
《... Lázaro Báez, the main State contractor under the Kirchner administrations...》
THE MAIN STATE CONTRACTOR...?
Let's look at Ze Lizt... shall we...?
1) TECHINT, de Paolo Rocca
2) ELECTROINGENIERIA, de Osvaldo Acosta y Gerardo Ferreyra
3) IECSA,de Angelo Calcaterra, primo de Mauricio Macri
4) CORPORACIÓN AMÉRICA, de Eduardo Eurnekian
5) INVAP, de la Provincia de Río Negro
6) ODEBRECHT, de Marcelo Odebretch, multinacional de origen brasileño
7) ESUCO, de Enrique Wagner
8) CARTELLONE, de José Cartellone
9) ROVELLA CARRANZA, de Mario Rovella
10) JCR, de Juan Carlos Relats
11) GRUPO ROGGIO, de Aldo y Benito Roggio
12) CHEDIACK, de Juan Chediak
13) CPC, de Cristóbal López
14) SUPERCEMENTO, de Julián Astolfoni
15) ISOLUX, de Luis Delso
16) PETERSEN, de Enrique Eskenazi
17) PANEDILE, de Hugo Dragonetti
18) GENERAL ELECTRIC, multinacional de origen estadounidense
19) COARCO, de Patricio Gerbi
20) SIEMENS, multinacional de origen alemán
21) CONTRERA HERMANOS, de Juan Touseda
22) EQUIMAC, de Silvio Mion
23) COMSA, multinacional origen español
24) GANCEDO, de Felipe Gancedo
25) DYCASA, de Javier Balseiro
26) PAOLINI, de Julio Paolini
27) ECODYMA, de Juan Scaramellini
28) VIALMANI, de Luis Armani
29) PIETROBONI, de Víctor Pietroboni
30) LUIS LOSI SA, de Luis Losi
31) GREEN, de Carlos Arroyo
32) GUERECHET SA, de Julio Guerechet
33) DURO FELGUERAS, multinacional de origen español
34) TEYMA ABENGOA, multinacional de origen español
35) KOPEX, multinacional de origen polaco
36) GRUPO AUSTRAL, de.................................... Lázaro Báez
http://www.mdzol.com/nota/624305-esta-es-la-lista-de-contratistas-de-obra-publica-nacional/
Oooops... There was a little porky... wasn't it... ?
Poor Gauchito Drink. Trying to cover up the fact that Baez was in fact the main beneficiary of public contracts in Patagonia. He was a close friend of the Kirchners, and even built Nestor's Mausoleum, so yeah he was a major beneficiary, and worked the game in the heart of Kirchner's domain. Time for another swig of Whiskey, eh, Gauchito? ;)
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@ Zaphod Beeblebrox
Apr 07th, 2017 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse -5I did not state what I did in my previous posting in hopes to be believed by anyone here. I will come back on the topic when something new happens. In the meantime, just think about this: Clarin has been reported every single day about findings allegedly compromising Cristina, Maximo, Florencia, etc. You would think that after 40 search warrants they would have come up with the smoking gun. However, so far they have found nyet, nada, zilt, nothing--or you would have it on Clarin's front page in catastrophe-size characters.
However, an open trial is an open trial, and while a person should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, it does cast a shadow over a personality. The beauty of it is, a trial can remain undecided for a long time, and even if in the end there are no findings, it will have accomplished its mission anyway. They call it a SLAPP, that is Strategic lawsuit against public participation.
Anyway--today's news from Argentina got much more interesting with Macri facing its first general strike and remaining more in denial than ever.
Sr. Massot...
Apr 07th, 2017 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse -5I believe you...;-)
Personally, I don't believe Cristina will end up in jail (even if she should) because that will drag several judges down the drain and the system self protects. That is the sad story.
Apr 07th, 2017 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +3TWIMC...
Apr 07th, 2017 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Personally, I believe Mauricio Macri will end up in jail because his international corrupt escapades with Odebrecht and many others from which the local system can't protect him.
That is the happy story...
That's right Think, if he's found to have participated in obscure bribing episodes for self profit, then he should go to jail just like anybody else. It is just a matter of proper Justice. But first and foremost we should get rid of quite a bunch of corrupt clowns in the Judiciary so proper Justice can be administered no matter what political colors the crooks are wearing.
Apr 07th, 2017 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Geeeeeeee.....
Apr 07th, 2017 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Things are changing fast in Argentina...
Even the young turks are begining to Think...
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i8rbfp7nA_Q...
@ EM
Apr 07th, 2017 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +4I am truly not worried about you as you live in a safe and prosperous country.
I am well aware of how to take a sample view across disparate sources. I don't rely on or believe any one point of view or source. I information gather in order to form my OWN opinion.
As to how trustworthy are the people I talk to, well, that is part of the process in forming a view. One cross references, fact checks and looks at perspective. It is a well-worn path for the open-minded. You seek to dismiss the opinions of Argentines living in Argentina when they don't correspond with your indoctrination. I listen to all points of view, even yours, before reaching a conclusion and even then I am open to adjusting my position.
CFK used her office and power to amass a fortune. Nestor started the whole scam and she continued. Now she is being investigated and it may take years to unravel her corruption but that money belongs to the people of Argentina.
ElaineB
Apr 09th, 2017 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse -5That money belongs to the people of Argentina.
Strange Elaine.
Argentine journalists still need to learn is, you don't convict people before a judge does.
I thought you are British?
If yes, in your country the presumption of innocence until proven guilty does exist.
However, you seem to have already convicted Cristine and perhaps even know the amount she would've stashed--perhaps you even know where the loot is.
This is where all your posturing about being there and consulting various sources comes down crumbling, and your irrational hate rears its ugly head.
Nice riposte..., Sr Massot...
Apr 09th, 2017 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse -6Some Anglo posters in here..., unvisely dump Basic Principles in favour of lesser interests...
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ElaineB..., has no qualms in setting aside the Presumption of Innocence Until Proven Guilty to feed her envy against a better woman than herself...
DemonTree..., sounds comfortable..., setting aside the old & proven Thou Shalt Not Kill... (as long as it's modernly renamed Collateral Damage)... to further his need for security...
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeee....
These Anglos should Think over one of our old paroles when we were hippies (and happies)...:
KILLING FOR PEACE
IS LIKE
FUCKING FOR VIRGINITY...
Saludos ...
Think..., el nostalgioso...;-)
Ha ha, the insomniac Shitstirrer and the Hypocrite trying desperately to occupy the moral high ground! Was Nissman guilty of any crime? Desperate times laddies...
Apr 09th, 2017 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse +3Anytime Gauchito Drink and Kamerad/Komrade Rique, AKA the Torturer's Tango Duo, attempt to opine on the honesty, truthfulness, virtue, etc. of others it should be remembered that they really represent this...
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@ EM
Apr 09th, 2017 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It isn't hate. Why use such an emotive word? I saw with my own eyes her deception and evidence of her corruption. I saw what she did to the country and even from Canada you must have followed her disastrous economic policies. You must have read how Argentina became a pariah state. The people there were suffering from her foolishness.
My repost to you is that you are blinded by idealism and some irrational fixation with CFK. You don't talk in terms of another left leaning government but just the return to power of CFK.
No one values your opinion because you have no credibility, EM. You abandoned Argentina long ago. Well, maybe Think enjoys reading your posts when he isn't playing with his own shit. He loves describing how he does it. Why not ask him to tell you all about it?
@Think
Apr 09th, 2017 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Thou Shalt Not Kill.”
Would you never kill someone, even in self defence, or to save someone else? Sometimes killing is the lesser evil.
By the way, what terrible things did Sweden do to deserve their terrorist attack? What did the Christians in Egypt do?
@ElaineB
Apr 10th, 2017 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse -1...you are blinded by idealism and some irrational fixation with CFK.
Not at all. I would be okay if Cristina were brought to an impartial trial after evidence provided some reasonable presumption of guilt. Such is not the case, as judge Bonadio's investigation lacked proof and a previous investigation had been taken from him because of serious irregularities. Currently the best demonstration of Bonadio's inability to find anything worth a process is that he declared himself incompetent--and handed the 392-page file to another judge, Julian Ercolini.
Oh, but before this, the corageous judge indicted Cristina and a bunch of other people-including her children. The story above forgot to point that Florencia Kirchner was 12 in 2003 and 16 when Los Sauces society was formed.
”According to the charges the (Los Sauces) company created in 2006 by the presidential couple and their son Maximo could have been used to rent out rooms and spaces, which were really massive transfers from contractors Baez and Lopez who were awarded over priced public works.”
Again. After executing 40 search warrants, Bonadio found out that all the real estate properties managed by Los Sauces were rented, that tenants were paying market-value rent, and such payments were done by cheques that were deposited in banks.
What else could have Bonadio done to save face than indict CFK and next get the hell out of there by passing the - cold - potato over to somebody else?
Saludos al chubutense combativo!
ElaineB
Apr 10th, 2017 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique is going to great lengths and extremely thorough detail to cast doubt that CFK will be successfully prosecuted.
I find it hard to believe that the Judiciary would actually lay charges if in fact they didn't have evidence from their investigations that CFK is guilty.
The trial will determine that.
EM seems very concerned that it will go ahead.
Perhaps he can predict the real result.
Kanye, the important point is that he shows no sources for his statements, not even in Spanish. This is probably because he is parroting obvious K agitprop sites like pagina12 or C5N, which most of us know for what they are. He's frantic, but hardly convincing...
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@ EM
Apr 10th, 2017 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0So when and where did you see all the evidence and the complete prosecution case?
Sr. Massot...
Apr 10th, 2017 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know where (and if) you have seen all the evidence and the complete prosecution case...
I certainly have...
All 392 pages of it..
Directly from the Argentinean Government's Judicial information Centre...:
http://www.cij.gov.ar/nota-25470-Causa-Los-Sauces--el-juez-Bonadio-proces--a-Cristina-Fern-ndez-de-Kirchner-por-asociaci-n-il-cita-y-lavado-de-activos.html
;-)
She will be banged up shortly. And then there's the small matter of the Nissman murder?
Apr 10th, 2017 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Enrique and Think,
Apr 10th, 2017 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you great legal minds feel the evidence is weak, why not let CFK go to trial and be exonerated?
What's to fear? Let the chips fall where they may.
CFK apologists.
@ Kanye
Apr 10th, 2017 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Exactly. And surely if she goes to trial and is acquitted then there will be no lingering doubts? But both EM and Think seem to have absolutely no faith in the criminal justice system in Argentina. Why is that? Do they think Argentines cannot be trusted and are corrupt?
392 pages of Spanish legalese are not at the top of the list of fun ways to spend my time. I think I might just wait for the trial, supposing there actually is one.
Apr 10th, 2017 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@ElaineB
She wasn't charged while she was President was she? It seems that CFK being charged has more to do with who is currently in power than what crimes she has or hasn't committed.
@Think
You didn't answer; I suppose you don't want to admit that you would be willing to kill people in the right circumstances. I don't believe you are any different to me.
Reekie,
Apr 10th, 2017 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I did not state what I did in my previous posting in hopes to be believed by anyone here.
Just as well. Your track record with honesty is not good.
TWIMC...
Apr 10th, 2017 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1392 pages of Spanish could probably be a tad trying for some monolinguals in here...
Anyhow...:
There is a very..., very interesting Freudian Slip by judge Bonadio on page 359..., where he writes...:
-《”... resulta conveniente que continúe la persecución (sic) en el juzgado antedicho”》
- 《(.. it is convenient to continue the persecution on the aforementioned Court...)》
A classic...!
@Think
Apr 10th, 2017 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you! Now let's extend an invitation to all our MP friends to go to a real, first-hand source. Google translator is beginning to be real good, so language should not be a barrier.
...it is convenient to continue the persecution on the aforementioned Court...
Loved that one! Some newspapers caught it too. A subconscious moment of sincerity on the part of Bonadio?
Saludos!
Can't persecución also be translated as prosecution? Why is that wrong?
Apr 10th, 2017 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Laddie...
Apr 10th, 2017 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I wouldn't dream of trying to learn you Engrish...
Don't try to learn me Spanish...
Capisce...?
I'm not trying to teach you anything, I'm just curious.
Apr 10th, 2017 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The dictionary says persecución means persecution, but also prosecution or pursuit.
Is that not true? What word should he have used if not for the 'Freudian Slip'?
Enjuiciamiento..., procesamiento..., demanda..., juicio..., causa..., sumario..., querella.... etc..., etc..., etc....,whatewer BUT...:persecución
Apr 10th, 2017 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2They have the many meanings for the same word, you have to take it in context. No wonder people get frustrated with their so called justice system.
Apr 10th, 2017 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@ DT
Apr 11th, 2017 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse -1CFK could not be prosecuted whilst a serving President. It is why she tested the waters for changing the constitution to allow her a third term but by then her approval rating was diving and the idea was dead in the water. The reason she is being investigated now is because she no longer has immunity.
@DT
Apr 11th, 2017 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least in Argentina and whatever the diccionary says, persecución is never used in the way prosecution is used in judiciary jargon in English.
Persecución (perseguir) means physically running after someone and also harass, or have Other obnoxious attempts to harm, physically or psychologically somebody.
So this is a real blunder for judge Bonadio, who was betrayed his inner thoughts.
@EB
Apr 11th, 2017 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I imagine there were other reasons she wanted to continue being president as well. It seems like half the presidents in Latin America have tried to get rid of term limits in the last few years.
@EM
Thanks, and the newspapers agree with you both that it was an odd and revealing thing to say, but then what does persecución mean in these phrases:
Cristina Kirchner cambió radicalmente la política de su esposo, luego de que murió, porque éste promovía la persecución de los iraníes reclamados por la justicia argentina.
...que el directorio de Interpol, integrado por todos los países del mundo, aprobó cuando aceptó la persecución internacional de cinco altos dirigentes del régimen de Teherán.
...omitir la persecución de un hecho delictivo, entre otros motivos.”
It's odd, because it would be a very natural mistake in English, switching 'persecution' for 'prosecution', but the closest word Think could come up with was 'procesamiento'.
@ DT
Apr 11th, 2017 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, of course. In addition to staying out of jail she was enriching herself nicely. Who would want that to stop?
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