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A second attempt to erect a statue of Margaret Thatcher outside Parliament looks set to fail
A second attempt to erect a statue of Britain's former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher outside parliament, just six months after a first proposal was thrown out over vandalism fears, looks set to fail after officials recommended it be rejected. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBaroness Margaret Thatcher deserves a statue. She's one of the greatest woman leaders of the 20th century!
Jan 18th, 2018 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse +1She had a statue, but someone beheaded it. She's one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century, and also one of the worst.
Jan 18th, 2018 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Maybe you could put a statue up in Chicuréo?
In 1980, when in London, I stopped in front of Winston Churchill's statue beside the Houses of Parliament....while adjusting the settings on the camera, an idiot walking by, and told me not to waste my film....my reply was, that if it hadn't been for him, perhaps German would be the official language in Britain, today...
Jan 18th, 2018 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +4One of the worst? They have Cromwell outside Parliament too.
Jan 18th, 2018 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Yeah, and he's even more controversial, but he wasn't a leader in the 20th century. ;)
Jan 18th, 2018 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@JB
Ironically, Welsh is the only language with official status in the UK today.
Jack, that's so cliche.... Even if Sealion had gone ahead the UK would still speak the same way. What you are actually saying is that 'Britain' alone won WW2. See my point?
Jan 19th, 2018 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse -1That's not true at all.
Jan 19th, 2018 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse +2If Sealion had gone ahead then everything after would have gone differently. Maybe Japan would still have attacked the USA but Germany would have no need to declare war on them; the two wars could have remained separate. And if Nazi Germany had control of all the seas around Europe, it would be have been nearly impossible for the US alone to deliver weapons and supplies to Russia, leaving Russia much more vulnerable to Hitler's invasion.
Even if Russia still defeated Germany in the end, there would be no D Day. Maybe Britain would not be speaking German, but the rest of Europe might have disappeared behind the Iron Curtain. Take away one link in a chain and the whole thing can collapse.
@EscoSesDoidao
Jan 19th, 2018 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Sure I see your point, and I know damned well that if the US hadn't stepped in, history might well be different....but at the moment, it seemed like a good enough response to a stupid remark.
@DT
”...Yeah, and he's even more controversial, but he wasn't a leader in the 20th century. ;)
We won't be here, but I'd like to see how Thatcher will be portrayed by history in 350 years...
The Russians absolutely Marmalised the Germans. If Germany had successfully invaded Britain the Reds would have swept across Europe and probably overwhelmed a German occupied Britain. As it is we now have Jeremy!
Jan 19th, 2018 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Thatcher is too divisive as is Winston in the Welsh Valleys even today. She did change Britain, Jeremy wants to change it back. If he gets in its goodbye to the Falkland Islands.
They certainly did, but the Communist economy was far from being able to produce all the equipment they needed to fight. Lend-lease from the allies was crucial for Russia to continue:
Jan 19th, 2018 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.rbth.com/business/2015/05/08/allies_gave_soviets_130_billion_under_lend-lease_45879.html
Most probably if Britain had been occupied, the Germans would have more or less abandoned it as the continent was overrun, and we could have taken back the country. After that it wouldn't be worth the Soviets invading, it would be so much harder when they couldn't simply roll their tanks in.
Corbyn is no Stalin anyway, and even if he does get in he won't be a dictator. He'll have his hands full with problems here, and would almost certainly need support from the SNP, so you ought to be worrying about another referendum in Scotland instead.
Chicureo
Jan 19th, 2018 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe if you had lived through her reign, you may think differently. There are millions of Britains who still actively hate her
Agree with Jack (on Churchill) and Clyde (on Maggie) =) Chicureo, closer to home you could have said: “Madame Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner deserves a statue. She's one of the greatest woman leaders of the 21st century!” ;)
Jan 21st, 2018 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse -2DT - I hadn't realised that being a 20th Century leader was relevant. Is it? Or is the issue about which statues should be outside Parliament.
Jan 21st, 2018 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the by - rejuvenated that website, with a Charts page https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
@BK
Jan 21st, 2018 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner deserves a statue”
A papier mache statue situated in one of the remaining Argentine minefields on the Falkland Islands, would be a great tribute to the woman who has done more than anyone else, by default, to get the Falkland Islander's right to self determination more widely recognised .
@ RL By the by - rejuvenated that website.
Totally absorbing. I've a fair few books on Falkland Islands history and nothing matches this. Have started looking at Kohen and Rodrigues. Kohen seems to have substituted words in some documents that change the meaning of them. There seems no other body of proof, i.e. a revelation that the United Provinces had settlers on the Falkland Islands after 1811, that overturn the British claim
. I am fascinated by Carmellita Penny and Gregoria Madrid. From what I can gather they were 2 of 15 slaves that Vernet bought from the United Provinces. It may be impossible to deduce whether they were born in what is now Argentina, or if they moved/were moved to the United Provinces from somewhere else. For instance they may have been born somewhere that was then 'British', (as were William Dickson and Benjamin Pearson).
But arguably, since the children of the French settlers (1964-1967), and any additions to Vernet's child born on the Islands (1828-1833), left, then the first 'Falkland Islander' to stay on for some time, must have been Carmelita Penny's child (present in January 1833, and afterwards). And that child must have been half caste or black.
@RL
Jan 21st, 2018 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said she was one of the worst leaders *of the 20th century*.
You replied “One of the worst? They have Cromwell outside Parliament too.”
Since you were clearly replying to me, yes, it's relevant. I certainly wouldn't say Maggie was one of the worst leaders of all time, and she did nothing on a par with Cromwell.
Plenty of people objected to his statue too, maybe the centuries that have passed made the difference.
The site redesign looks good, nice to see the maps.
@BK
Wow, don't be so keen. CFK's not even dead yet.
DT - missed that bit. Apologies.
Jan 21st, 2018 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK's more likely to end up in prison than on a plinth.
DT Neither were many 20th century leaders when their statues went up lol though I take your point. Was just winding up Chicureo with his own words really =)
Jan 22nd, 2018 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Roger Its not either all of course - we also have one of Mandela in Parliament Square now...
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jan 25th, 2018 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Commenting for this story is now closed.
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