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Falklands second flight: interest from Brazil, Chile and Uruguay airlines
The Argentine foreign ministry said on Thursday that several airlines from Brazil, Chile and Uruguay have expressed an interest in making proposals for scheduled flights to the Falkland/Malvinas Islands with stops in Argentine territory. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOop there goes another rubber tree plant .........
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse +5Anyone seen Think?
He said he was doing a bit of baking this morning, some type of pie......
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +5TWIMC...
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Firstly..., The title of this article hits this auld suspicious Patagonian as a bit odd...
***“Interest from............ Uruguay airlines”***...???
Already..., at least..., a 33% porky
Chuckle ... chortle
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +4This 'article' Think is about the Argentine Foreign Ministry, so it's just naturally 'suspicious'.
The Official Press Release from the FIG (the organ grinders) says -
Update on establishing a second commercial Falkland Islands air link
Today marks the start of the formal commercial process for establishing a new weekly scheduled air service to and from the Falkland Islands. On 16 February, airline operators across Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay were invited to communicate their interest in providing this service via Aviation Economics, a specialist consultancy which has been appointed to manage the process.
Speaking of the response to date, Joanna Hunt, Director of Aviation for Aviation Economics said: “We are delighted to have received such a high level of interest from a wide range of operators. We have now initiated the commercial process and have written to these operators to invite them to take part in the formal procurement process.”
Aviation Economics is a global leader in strategic intelligence for the airline industry and has worked with a wide range of aviation businesses, including government agencies, in every continent of the world. It aims to manage the commercial process of establishing a second weekly commercial Falkland Islands air link, which is due to become operational in October 2018.This will include a monthly stop in Argentina, once in each direction, and will complement the existing weekly LATAM flight to and from Chile.
All queries concerning the commercial exercise will be managed by Aviation Economics.
:-)
....continues from me above comment...:
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Secondly..., this article confirms that there WAS INDEED an Anglo-Argie deadline on the 28/02/2018... right..., copper?
Thirdly..., somebody (or everybody) is telling porkies about the alledged interest or lack of same from commercial Airlines to cover an already expensively served..., £600 for bloody 1,000 airmiles..., second Air Link to an absolute marginal market of 3,000 squatting Engrish souls in the very end of the World....
We will have to wait and see... Too early to start baking any humble pie yet...
Specially when there are no Engrish gentlemen in here taking my utmost generous bet...;-)
Speaking about baking.., if you excuse me..., I have some shortbreads recently baked by me luuuvely widowed Scottish neighbour lass..., waiting to be enjoyed together with a nice cuppa of Margaret's Hope first flush Darjeeling...
Have a nice Weekend....
El Think
Wish he would make up his mind whether he is living in “the Highlands”, Patagonia, or Dunoon, or the Midlands, for that matter.
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +5El 'Stink'
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +3How selfish of you .....how can you enjoy the shortbread biscuits all alone ? Give me your address as I'd 'love' send you a couple of luuuvely street kids from Rio, to enjoy a nice cuppa of Darjeeling with you....and don't forget to invite your luuuvely neighbour, as am sure the boys would love to meet her...you know, to feel more at home....Have a nice weekend.
Now that's very interesting. Seems Infobae has got some dodgy information.
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, too expensive and too specific for me. Would you take a bet that they get a flight to somewhere outside Argentina and for less money?
Also I found a picture of you here in Finland:
https://i.imgur.com/DleZ9rIr.jpg
Strangely my friends have all been talking about how much they want a Cornish pasty.
@JB
Why not send him kids from Sao Paulo?
A direct flight from either Chile or Brazil will soon be announced. I don’t care too much which but my preference would be either: LATAM from Chile; or a competitor, such as GOL, from Brazil. That is of course if GOL is one of the interested airlines.
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1This article is sourced from Argentina. The official press release makes no mention of Feb 28 .... right, old man?
Mar 03rd, 2018 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Second Argentine Invasion planned - this time they intend to breed the islanders into being Argentines by sending lots of women to seduce the islanders. Roger, I hope you have plenty of viagra to hand, I understand the latino woman can be quite demanding
Mar 04th, 2018 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse +3'..We will have to wait and see... Too early to start baking any humble pie yet.'...
Mar 04th, 2018 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse +3Oh Think, I was thinking of a slice of Infobae empanada.....don't get ahead of yourself.....
TWIMC... (including then squating Engrish Kelpers..., kept in the dark (as usual) by the colonial Engrish Engrish)
Mar 04th, 2018 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3You folks can as well follow them Fundamentalist Falklandists among you and vote down the Engrish Foreign & Colonial Office proposal of a Second Air Link through Buenos Aires...
Most signs are that this little Indian Summer between them Engrish and us Argies won't last wery long...:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXafSCMXUAYYprj.jpg
You get me drift..., Chay's...?
You said the same before the midterms, Think. We're still waiting...
Mar 04th, 2018 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TH, the Liar
Mar 04th, 2018 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1TH says: “There's no gentle way..” & 1) “Is not my statement..”; 2) “At the end of the post is the author's credentials”; 3) “I am simply the messenger”....
Well, 1) “not my statement” and 2) “at the end is the author’s credentials”, are pretty obvious…but you should know by now, that quoting someone - to support an opinion, no matter how senseless - is a clear sign you agree with them.......Re 3) “I am simply the messenger”, I must agree - you don’t have the brains to be anything else ‘but’ the messenger.
@DT ((Cont.of ”what a shot,..”)
Just to get the record straight - agree that the simple act of robbing tourists does not merit the death penalty…neither have I ever actually 'advocated' that they be executed ; not lamenting, or not being shocked by, the fate of some, is a common reaction amongst a lot of Brazilians, given that most kids, if caught, are usually back on the streets within hours. Another consideration - re which I don’t have stats - don't know how many of their victims they killed, but they're quite prepared to kill if they believe the victims pose a threat to them ; Robbery followed by death, committed by minors, has been increasing at an alarming rate over the last few years, as after doing their time (if any at all, in juvie reform), they are turned loose when they become 18, and their criminal records are expunged. Nice, isn't it ?
Many victims are killed simply because the criminal didn’t like the way they spoke back or looked at them…when caught they show absolutely no remorse, and most return to crime after being released. None are innocent, and very few make any effort to change their lives, so life-imprisonment would be an option...if the law weren't so lenient and didn't let many out in less than 10 years. Ask any average Brazilian what he/she thinks about it.
Re ”El Stink', the problem here (SP) is less serious than in Rio, but if I even mentioned kids from SP, he'd probably say I wanted them killed as well..
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 04th, 2018 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I did not say the same before the midterms. I'll be waiting for you to show me the contrary...
@Think
Mar 04th, 2018 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Weren't you talking about how unpopular Macri was and we'd see what people really thought of him in the midterms? Isn't that the same thing you're saying now?
@JB
Most people here would be very shocked. That it seems so normal to (some) Brazilians is really not a good thing; murdering kids is barbaric and does nothing to fix the root cause of all the crime.
Think is having memory problems. It's an age thing DT.
Mar 05th, 2018 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse +3Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Mar 05th, 2018 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But you should know by now, that quoting someone - to support an opinion, …is a clear sign you agree with them”
By your failure to refute the general proposition means you agree with it. “In law, the silence of a party implies his consent.” Soma's Dictionary Of Latin Quotations Maxims And Phrases
“Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found.”
@DT
Mar 05th, 2018 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Most people here would be very shocked...” .....presume you mean by 'the killing of street kids in Rio'...just goes to show the enormous difference between our realities....would you agree with me if I said “when heinous crimes become an almost daily occurrence, people tend to be become less shocked by them as time goes on” ? asking this, based on my own experience : 30 years ago, drugs and street crime weren't a patch on what they are today, and when barbaric crimes were plastered all over the news, either against innocent bystanders (in the wrong place, wrong time), or massacres of criminals by rival gangs, people were really shocked ...today, people hear about them and say, “uh, another ? too bad”; it's not that people don't genuinly feel sorry for some of the victims, but the problem has become so common that people pay little attention to it. And with OUR justice system, people rejoice when criminals are killed...“...one less to worry about”.
From the victim's perspective though, it is surprising that few readers on here, if any, react in the same way (as they do with regards to the killing of street kids), or don't think it's worthy of comment...Is that supposed to mean that they are in favour of innocent people being raped, robbed or killed by criminals ? Obviously not, but one's reaction has a lot to do with what you become accustomed to.
For things to change here, to become a more socially civilized country, the mentality has to change....can't see that happening any time soon.
@TH, aka BrainLess, WorthLess Liar
I see you keep on twisting the facts to suit your sick narrative, and are unable to express yourself in any way other than through dictionaries and other people's opinions....first, you deny having written something, then, when caught with your knickers down, you ignore the fact and charge to the attack, compounding your already obvious stupidity ...predictable when senility sets in...tell me, when were you diagnosed with BPD ?
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less”
Mar 05th, 2018 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I see you keep on twisting the facts …” You certainly do Ollie, like your acceptance that. “Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found.” Of which, you are a perfect example.
@JB
Mar 05th, 2018 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Yes, I meant by the killing of street kids, but I think most would also be shocked by the level of crime and violence in general. Stuff like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo%C3%A3o_H%C3%A9lio
Or those drug gang members who murdered and decapitated their rivals while actually in jail, and the authorities were unable to stop them.
Obviously it is nothing inherent to Brazilians if crime was so much lower 30 years ago, so what has changed since then? Seems there are a lot more and bigger gangs smuggling and dealing drugs, many better armed than even the police. Is that the main difference or have attitudes really altered so much?
@Terry the Liar
“Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies”
Evidently no all of them do...
@DT
Mar 05th, 2018 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure 'Joao Helio's' murder, and many others under similar circumstances definitely caught everyone's attention, and provoked the usual angry outcry against criminality in general, as well as against the ineffective and lenient justice system...but, nothing has changed rgdng street crime. It's reached a point that many people, like me, have given up going out at night ...except when the rare occasion calls for it. The brutality and cruelty of the criminals has gone to extremes, reason why people are happy to see them 'go'. They'll kill for no reason, at the bat of an eyelid.
What has changed since 30 years ago ? for one, the 1988 Constitution, very permissive and very protective of human rights - specially those of criminals - has created a type of complacency amongst the politicians (who have the right to special protection, if needed) regarding the need to fight crime (as they too, are a bunch of criminals) and the near total absence by most State governments in the area of public security, with dwindling or no new investments. Instead of seeing criminals for what they are, the laws and the justice system have come to see 'them' as victims (of society), and give the impression they only exist to make life easier for them....this relative impunity has encouraged more crime.
The contraband of war weaponry from Paraguay, or directly from the US, bought by drug money, has made the drug gangs formidable adversaries for the police, which is badly trained and badly equipped.
Also, mentioned in previous posts, the immigration of millions of north easterners to the south, starting in 70s and increasing in the 80s. As they only managed to get work in menial labour, this caused the formation of more and bigger slums, allied by the lack of education, resulting in the well-known vicious circle. Obviously the are many other reasons, but those are what comes to mind, now.
Looks like the Liar's BPD is getting more serious.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Mar 05th, 2018 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Evidently no all of them do…” The confirmation is well established by the ‘wing nuts’ who come out of the shadows to profess here.
Like his last pronouncement without any evidence.
“An assertion is a statement offered as a conclusion without supporting evidence. since an argument is defined as a logical relationship between premise and conclusion, a simple assertion is not an argument.”
Ignoring the Burden of Proof http://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
I've just realised that
Mar 05th, 2018 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I have previously read
everything that Terry
is ever going to say...
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I’ve just realised that … “ I had noticed a long time ago that you no longer attempt to foist fallacious international law arguments. So I guess you were properly schooled, and got tired of being shot down in flames.
Yes Terry...I am properly schooled and that is why I don't insert a comma after schooled...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse -1Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“That is why I don't insert a comma after schooled…”
Pontificating about another subject you know sweet Fanny Adam about. So enjoy looking like an idiot
13 Rules For Using Commas Without Looking Like An Idiot
“We've compiled a list of all of the times when you need the mighty comma.
Use a comma before any coordinating conjunction (and, but, for, or, nor, so, yet) that links two independent clauses. …”
http://www.businessinsider.com/a-guide-to-proper-comma-use-2013-9
Never mind moronic content, lets give everyone a lesson on where to put commas! Bahahahahaha You couldnt make it up…. Pedants united!
Mar 06th, 2018 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Voice
Mar 06th, 2018 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse -1“I've just realised that
I have previously read
everything that Terry
is ever going to say...”
You're so right. Do you think anyone would notice if we replaced him with a bot that posted his favourite quotes when it saw certain keywords?
@JB
Do you really think the constitution has made much difference? Maybe to crime among children since it seems they can get away with nearly anything, but for adults going to an overcrowded and violent prison full of gang recruiters and possibly having to wait years just for a trial isn't exactly lenient. Were the punishments for crime more severe before 1988? There must have been a lot less people in jail back then since crime was lower. And I guess as crime has risen the police are less and less able to keep on top of it, making it easier to get away with stuff. That can't help.
Seeing criminals as victims is the wrong way to look at it, but changes to society do cause more or less crime, and are often easier and cheaper than more and more police, courts and jails. Of course you will always need the latter, no matter what people like Patrick Edgar think.
And was crime already high in the North East before people moved down to the South, or was it packing people into slums in cities that made it rise?
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse -1“Pedants united!” Indeed, indeed.
“It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.“ illinois.edu/blog/view/25/76120
“Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error.” twitter.com/uberfacts/status/218151002707206145
“A pedant is a person who is excessively concerned with formalism, accuracy, ... Asperger syndrome often have behaviour characterized by pedantic speech.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant
“A pedant is a person who is excessively concerned with formalism, accuracy, ... Asperger syndrome often have behaviour characterized by pedantic speech.”
Mar 06th, 2018 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse -2Seriously,Terry, you should look into that. It's impossible to diagnose someone over the internet, but I know people who have it and you are very similar to them. It used to only be diagnosed in children but they've found a lot of adults have been living with a milder version and never understood why they had problems with understanding other people etc.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage as the capable
Mar 06th, 2018 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It's impossible to diagnose someone over the internet” I’m simply showing how such behaviour is now viewed. Especially as the culpable party shows he’s wrong, and reveals that he’s an idiot. Then, attempts to mitigate his folly by accusing me of what he is clearly guilty of as the initiator.
I have no problem with understanding other people, as they are usually pretty transparent, especially when engaging in subterfuge.
“I have no problem with understanding other people”
Mar 06th, 2018 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Terry, you really, really, REALLY, don't understand other people. But that's the problem, isn't it? Because you don't understand what other people are saying, you are also incapable of recognising when you are wrong. And so no one can help you because you refuse to listen to anyone.
Seriously, do some research and see if anything in the description fits you.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage as the capable
Mar 06th, 2018 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You really, really, REALLY, don't understand other people.”
Is really, really the lament of a loser, for example your refuted false claim that I “rely solely on argument from authority”
http://en.mercopress.com/2018/02/26/falklands-second-commercial-flight-damage-from-touchdown-in-argentina/comments#comment484497
DemonTree
Mar 06th, 2018 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I reckon we could both easily write a Terry post and no one would be able to tell the difference...
Randomly placing the words assertion, premise, argument and burden of proof...
I aslo reckon that he doesn't have predictive text... he has predictive quotes set on his computer...
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I reckon we could both easily write a Terry post and no one would be able to tell the difference...
Randomly placing the words assertion, premise, argument and burden of proof…” Terms that you and your fellow sophists cannot refute. Nor are you able to rebut that you are a pedant “suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD).” Who when trying to nitpick my grammar, reveals I’m correct and you are left “Looking Like An Idiot”.
“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana. So just like I’ve schooled you in the past, you obviously require a refresher which I was more than happy to provide.
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“I reckon we could both easily write a Terry post and no one would be able to tell the difference...”
Merely your unsupported assertion.
“An assertion is a statement offered as a conclusion without supporting evidence. since an argument is defined as a logical relationship between premise and conclusion, a simple assertion is not an argument.”
Ignoring the Burden of Proof http://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
How did I do? You should try a BritBob one now. ;)
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“How did I do?” Most of your posts confirm your penchant for sophistry. As you’re unable to make a winning argument due to your limitations.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”― Oscar Wilde
“It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation” Herman Melville
“Almost all absurdity of conduct arises from the imitation of those who we cannot resemble” Samuel Johnson
Mr. Voice...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -2You say...:
You've just realised that
You have previously read
everything that Terry
is ever going to say...
I say...:
What Took You Soooooooooo Long... ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yX1Df_sjdzY
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“You say…:”
When all else is refuted you can engage in your old standby of ‘sock-puppetry’. Thus, captivate yourself in an argument you can’t possibly lose? Hardly, as all it reveals is what a total loser you really are.
DemonTree
Mar 06th, 2018 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I think your post has the correct balance between tedium and lack of imagination.
Falklands - Argentina's Imaginary Territory (1 pg):- https://www.academia.edu/35715281/Falklands_Argentinas_Imaginary_Territory
ps...I dare not alter my account, I'm likely to find I can't access it again...
Damn...Now Terry thinks it is Mr. Think imitating me, imitating you, imitating him...
ROFL, you'd think the picture would have been enough of a giveaway.
Mar 06th, 2018 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Perhaps I'll be Kanye next.
PS. You need to lead into it a bit more. BritBob always has a sentence of blurb that's vaguely related to the article.
I did...usually it's enough for him to have a relative keyword...“Imagination”...;-)
Mar 06th, 2018 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Ah, that was a bit too subtle for me.
Mar 06th, 2018 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@Think
Did I misunderstand what you were saying earlier, then?
Correction… pedant/troll corner for pointless discussion…
Mar 06th, 2018 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Ha subtle yeah...but tbh I got the short straw trying to relate a Brit Bob link page to your post imitating Terry...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -2...next time I do the easy ones...;-)
DT
Mar 06th, 2018 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The Constitution was drawn up by a Congress which had had its ‘political freedom’ (read the ‘right’ to steal, to act irresponsibly) slightly curbed for a few years, plus the attitude represented by the pendulum swinging the other way (after all the ‘terrible repression’, sniff, sniff), so yes, human rights became the fashion, although the spirit under which these rights were then conceived, went overboard, giving criminals (and politicians) protective measures beyond common sense. Ok, the prison system is a disgrace, but when I say lenient, I refer to the Justice’s lack of will to hand out harsher sentences, or its apparent determination to (sometimes) find indefensible reasons to justify its decisions. There are dozens of cases where the perpetrators of brutal killings, usually never sentenced to more than 30 years, are out in 10…and, if you’re a 1st time offender, with an impeccable record, you might even get off the hook. After the drunk driving laws were sanctioned (5 yrs ago ?), tens of 1000s have been caught, not to mention the hundreds of deaths of pedestrians ‘n other drivers caused by them, but not one is behind bars. Why ? becos the attitude is “Ah, he didn’t mean to kill…but when you drink and get into your car, you are assuming the risk…but getting back to hard-core criminals, the real punishment comes when they are finally jailed…Brazil’s prison system is overcrowded, to more than double its capacity, making life extremely miserable. Before ’88, and during military rule, crime wasn’t as common or as brutal, and not that the law was more severe, but it was applied in a more conservative manner. As I’ve already mentioned, the concept of rule of law in the NE has always been different to that in the south. After the massive NE migration, bringing a ‘different’ culture, and the increase of slums, drugs became the big thing, attracting people like flies to sh*t.
Despite TH's familiarity with the abbreviations for disorders, he hasn't commented on his BPD.
Mr. Voice & Mr.DemonTree...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Always nice to see the non turnips playing with the turnips...
But don't run rings too fast around them... They may get dizzy...
MercoPress is a truly inclusive site... There is place for everybody...;-)
And yes, Mr DemonTree..., you misunderstood what I was saying earlier...
“Once these responses are received at the end of February, a commercial process will be initiated that will be led by the Falkland Islands.”
Mar 06th, 2018 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1How could Argentina deal with the Islanders aspirations?
Falklands – Argentina's Sovereignty Aspirations (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/34583696/Falklands_Argentinas_Sovereignty_Aspirations
PS. Think, so what were you trying to say then, if you don't mind?
Mr. DemonBritBobTree...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -4If you want to interact with a LatinAmerican about LatinaAmerican politics..., I suggest you inform yourself about the current events of such..., before engaging with hackneyed phrases...
@Think
Mar 06th, 2018 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Your linked picture refers to that rude song about Macri that you and Enrique keep talking about, no? So weren't you saying that he is becoming ever more unpopular and his government and therefore the thaw in relations between Britain and Argentina is unlikely to last too much longer?
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Juppppppppppppp.....
I did say above in this article that Macri and his government are becoming ever more unpopular and therefore the thaw in relations between Britain and Argentina is unlikely to last too much longer...
But...
That Isn't at all the same thing I did discuss with Mr. Massot before the midterm elections some months ago..., where MMLPQTP was in its Genesis..., not its Eruption...
@Think
Mar 06th, 2018 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The difference is not obvious from here. Before the elections there were protests about Maldonado's disappearance. After the elections there were protests about pensions. There were already plenty of people who hated Macri, but now they have a song. So what?
You've made yourself hard to google for, but I did find this example of what you were saying (quite a long time) before the election:
*****
Think
Sr. Massot...
Numbers are looking good for us..., progressive democratic socialists..., in the Argentinean 2017 Mid-term election, the 2018 Brazilian Presidental Election and the 2018 Paraguayan Presdential Election...
Resilience..., compadre...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DkFJE8ZdeG8
Dec 20th, 2016 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse
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Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You yourself..., have just proven that I DIDN'T “say the same before the midterms”
If you..., for a second..., THINK that those two of my comments listed above are ...: “The Same”..., I'll have to begin to THINK that your frequent interaction with Anglo Turnips like Terence Hill/Kanye..., the Voice..., Brit Bob..., Jack Bauer..., et al... is seriously impairing your judgement and your comprehension of the Engrish language...
@Think
Mar 06th, 2018 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Harsh.
So far as I remember, before the elections both you and EM were optimistic that Macri would lose support, and there was all that 'Macri Gato' stuff, plus plenty of protests. So what has changed now that makes you so confident?
@JB
“The Constitution was drawn up by a Congress which had had its ‘political freedom’ slightly curbed for a few years”
Banning all but two parties, which were not allowed to be leftist in any way, and giving the (not fairly elected) President the power to change the constitution at will and remove anyone from office is 'slightly curbed'? It's all very well for you when it wasn't your views being banned, or your friends being arrested and tortured by the government.
As for the crime, I suspect the severe lack of prison space might have something to do with the leniency in the drink-driving cases, Couldn't they find some other punishment that is not so costly to the state? Fining them a large amount would be much better than just letting them off.
“if you’re a 1st time offender, with an impeccable record, you might even get off the hook.”
For murder, seriously? I find that very hard to believe, are there any examples?
RE NE vs SE, I just looked up murder rates in Brazilian states, and surprisingly the rate has fallen dramatically in both São Paulo and Rio since 1998. Unfortunately it has risen dramatically everywhere else, including the North East region. It's very strange, I don't know what would explain it.
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 06th, 2018 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -3You say...:
***“ So far as I remember,....................................... So what has changed now that that makes you so confident?”***
I repeat...:
If you want to interact with a LatinAmerican about LatinAmerican politics..., I suggest you inform yourself about the current events of such... Plenty has changed since October..., laddie...
@DT
Mar 06th, 2018 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Thought that the term 'military rule' was self-explanatory, obviously it imposes some restrictions…otherwise would not be military rule. Congress carried on with its basic functions (legislating), but without the freedom they have today to steal and be protected by ‘privileged status’. Only those undesirable characteristics were ‘slightly curbed’. The 2 parties, Arena / MDB were on opposite sides of the political spectrum…Arena supported the government and MBD (today's PMDB), was opposition and always left of centre. After ‘85, and specially ’88, political parties regained total freedom, sprung up like mushrooms (to accommodate all the ‘ambitious’ politicians), and presidents were elected democratically. DT, once and for all, don’t know what you read to conclude that Brazilians lived under strict marshall law, with no rights etc…I’ll say it again, only a handful out of millions were dissatisfied with the military and rose up in arms against them…they killed the military and the military killed them back…sounds fair to me. No, overcrowded prisons have nothing to do with the leniency shown drunk drivers who kill...it’s simply a matter of not being serious…it’s laughable to consider they’re not worried about the overcrowded situation, yet would be about sending the killer drunks to prison. Sure, punishment such as heavy fines or making the driver support the victim’s family could work, but legislators shy away from that as they think it would be an unfair burden on the driver (human rights); get used it, this is Brazil. Some confessed murderers have been acquitted by juries, but can’t remember any specific cases off-hand…will search ; but google “Pimenta, diretor do OESP” (killed his girlfriend in 08/2000, imprisoned Sept, out in 03/2001 ; finally condemned to 19 yrs in 2006, released 2011) ; Google “Suzane Von Richthofen” (killed both parents, helped by her boyfriend, in 2002, in order to speed up the inheritance ; condemned to 39 yrs, both are already out.
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 06th, 2018 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1My, my you’ve really lost the argument. Hence, the frenzied activity of ‘sock-puppetry’ and name ‘hijacking’. Thus, you can’t possibly lose an argument with yourself. Now you don’t have to deal with someone who will certainly reveal in your true-light.
@JB
Mar 07th, 2018 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse -1“don’t know what you read to conclude that Brazilians lived under strict marshall law, with no rights etc”
Wikipedia, and stuff like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-26713772
www.quora.com/What-was-it-like-living-in-Brazilian-military-dictatorship
And I don't think you had no rights at all. From what I have read only certain things were banned, or would get you in trouble, and if you didn't want to do them anyway then it was never a problem for you. But I believe it's important that people can protest and speak freely and have different opinions, and if I imagine myself or some of my friends in that situation, back when we were students... I'm not sure we would have been so lucky.
As for the killer drunks, you really don't think the overcrowding might make judges think twice about jailing someone for a more 'minor' crime? Especially when there are so very many people committing serious ones and when anyone sent to jail is likely to be recruited by a gang and go on to commit more crimes in future?
I looked up those two cases you mentioned; as far as I can see Suzane Von Richthofen and her former boyfriend are both still in jail, in a 'semi-open' regime, whatever that is. And Antonio Marcos Pimenta Neves is serving the rest of his sentence at home, which might have something to do with his age (79), but does seem remarkably lenient.
@Think
Helpful as ever. This site should have more about what is going on in Argentina and less about energy drinks and the EU.
Think - a week is a long time in politics.
Mar 07th, 2018 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2Much may have changed since October, but then much will change again in the next six months. Presidential elections due in 2019. Is Eduardo Duhalde the Peronist to go up against Macri? He'll be 78. Methinks the Peronists will need someone younger and will need to unite.
As it stands, my money is on Macri for another term.
Lets hope that Macri continues the progressive path he has so far taken and that the criminals in the last administration are punished.
Mar 07th, 2018 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@DT
Mar 07th, 2018 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The BBC link tells the story of a man who (not very intelligently) decided to abandon his studies for revolution....”I was not (interested) in the slightest, I wanted to make revolution.”
He decided to face the military, for no reason other than his 'sudden hate' for them (?), and without any justified provocation...I say 'without provocation', because if we believe otherwise, we have to be convinced that “the military seizing power in 1964 - supported by the US - promised swift action to bring ”order“ back to a country it perceived as slipping towards communism”, was indeed a “provocation”...but to whom ? to the ordinary citizen, who just wanted to get on with his life? Hardly.
For every person who for some personal reason (convinced that communism was the only option ?, or fighting for power, for the sake of power ?) there were 100s of thousands who did not fancy communism. So, to use the story of one man , or of a few hundred (who got screwed because they chose to face the risk) to base yourself on how life was, under military rule, does reflect the opinion of of the enormous majority.
The overcrowded prisons have nothing to do with the leniency shown to drunk drivers who cause deaths... believe me, if that were the reason, the law would not have been changed very recently to impose harsher sentences....but if they aren't applied, what's the use ? If there is no punishment, why the hell even try to enforce the law ? Our prison system is no where near being concerned about such 'details'.
The so called 'semi-open' regime, means that the perp only has to go to sleep in prison, and is totally free during the day....really quite meaningless when talking of punishment. I can't remember all such cases where the murderers have been let out - (for good behaviour ? as if locked up they could get up to mischief !) - after serving 1/6th or less of their sentence, but I do remember the number of times I've been pissed-off to listen to such cases on TV.
“the military seizing power in 1964 - supported by the US - promised swift action to bring ”order“ back to a country it perceived as slipping towards communism”, was indeed a “provocation”...but to whom ?
Mar 07th, 2018 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To anyone who believed in democracy, or free speech, or rights and the rule of law. And to anyone who disagreed with the way the military were running the country (and many people other than communists could do that), but no longer had the chance to vote for the government they wanted. What were they supposed to do? Write articles, protest, go on strike? Things that could get you in trouble, and that the military government later banned.
You don't have to be a communist to want a say in your own government, and to be angry when it's taken from you.
RE the 'semi-open' system: for murderers, and after only 1/6 of their sentence... WTF? Who on earth thinks it's a good idea to let out people who have committed serious crimes so soon? I do disagree that they can't get up to mischief while locked up, though. Even disregarding the beheading incidents, they can still try to escape, attack other prisoners or the guards, smuggle in drugs, mobile phones, etc, or start riots. It's common to have rewards for good behaviour just to help the guards stay in control.
@DT
Mar 08th, 2018 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Faced with the (alrdy visible) possibility of the then president aligning himself with the USSR and given the options of communism or the military - not that you, as a citizen would have a choice - you'd have to live with whatever the outcome was...as it turned out, the military took over - better than the alternative; if a tiny group thought differently, they made their choice 'n got their deserts. The fact that I couldn’t stand on a soap box (like in Hyde Park) and shout against govt, was the least of my (and most people’s) worries. Younger people who read about it today, are sympathetic towards the ‘freedom-fighters’, totally ignoring what the great majority wanted. Believe me, I lived it. And I didn’t live in some protected enclave, away from everyday reality. Why should anyone, who was free to study, work, practice sports, visit friends, go out, get drunk, travel, ‘n enjoy the basics of life, want to write articles against the government ? or are we talking of inexperienced idealists who don’t yet understand how things work, but think they can “impose” their unrealistic views on the rest ? That ‘minority’ couldn’t care less what the majority wanted, only what ‘they’ did. The PT, which aggregated all the malcontents, keeps on plugging away at it because they had, and still have, something to gain from it…power and the chance to ‘steal’…not the best of motives. The “way the military ran the country”? what’s that supposed to mean ? they administered the country far more efficiently (with far less stealing) than civilian governments; anyway, Bzlns are more interested in soccer & carnival than how the country is run ; everyone, through Congress - exactly as it is today - had the right to ‘lobby’, so what ‘real’ lack of freedom, or big ‘difference’ it might’ve made in Bzl, are you talking about ? Exactly, WTF ? but Congress thinks the law is ok. Ok, inmates can get up to mischief -escape, kill rivals, use prisons as command centres for their biz on the outside.
@JB
Mar 08th, 2018 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why should anyone, who was free to study, work, practice sports, visit friends, go out, get drunk, travel, ‘n enjoy the basics of life, want to write articles against the government ?”
Isn't that just the same attitude as the people who are more interested in soccer and carnival than in how the country is run? It would be better for Brazil if more people cared about politics, wouldn't it?
The PT are not communists, and you could still do all those things under them, so why would you want to write articles against their government? How many articles have you read criticising Lula and the PT? If Lula decided to ban the newspapers from mentioning the lava jato, or the problems with the pension fund, it wouldn't be a problem, right? Only inexperienced idealists would complain, everyone else would keep their heads down and get on with their lives. Maybe you wouldn't have heard of the corruption anyway, since talking about it publicly would be banned.
When I said 'the way the military ran the country', I just meant the normal decisions that every government makes: laws, taxes, pensions, schools, etc, which the citizens get to have a say on if they are living in a democracy. If we all agreed on them then we wouldn't need elections at all.
You seem to think the military did a pretty good job on these, other people disagree. Plenty of people still think Lula was a great president for getting all those people out of poverty, and you disagree with them. I'm not trying to say who is right or wrong, but that in both cases you should be able to say so (and I don't mean on a soap box but more that newspapers etc should be able to criticise them), and will be angry if you can't.
As for the laws in Brazil, they do seem way too lenient, especially for minors, and quite likely have even harmed the kids themselves if adult gang members are recruiting them to commit crimes because they can get away with it.
@DT
Mar 09th, 2018 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, people establish their own preferences, but to ignore the “truly” important issues ? such as those which affect every other aspect of their lives ?
“better for Brazil if more people cared about politics” is exactly what I’m saying…a healthy interest in what their elected reps do, or don’t, try to understand the political /legal process…show the same interest as they do for soccer, but w/o the violence.
OK, PT is not communist, neither is the PC do B (Communist Party): like most politicians, their real motivation is power, but those parties are where the radicals hide out…like those who support VZ.; the question is, what do they expect to gain from it ? while it sounds ludicrous to believe they would deliberately try to ruin the country, the only explanation left is that they want power at any cost, regardless of the consequences. Why not vote the reforms, help Brazil get back on track ? Are they waiting for Brazil to sink further ?
And while not being a communist, Lula DID try to pass laws to gag the press…he used to rant and rave, and threaten journalists whenever they published something negative about him or the PT. All parties deserve criticism, but today is a totally different time to that back in ‘63/64. Different threats and perceptions.
Back then, Congress went about its normal functions, except legislate on nat’l security matters ; and people, as today, could have their voices heard, provided through the correct channels, not through armed violence. Whether you believe it or not, the majority of those who were aware of the country’s true situation in ’63, favoured the military take-over, as versus the alternative;
“You seem to think the military did a pretty good job (others disagree)”…yes I do, and so did the majority.
People keep on harping abt “Lula lifting millions out of poverty”…and I ask, where are they today ? worse off than before, thanks to exactly those who claim credit for it...or, the PT.
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Mar 10th, 2018 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse -1Well, but it's the people who are interested in politics who most object when they don't get a say in their government. It's not surprising that the same people who wanted a revolution back then turned to normal politics once they were older and (possibly?) wiser. It looks to me like the military government, in order to keep power, discouraged most people from taking a interest, and now that's come back to bite you all.
Mar 10th, 2018 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL at the Communist Party not being communist. They may as well join one of the other socialist-leaning parties, but I guess they'd get less money that way. Not too many people deliberately try to ruin their country. I suppose some politicians don't care and just want to make themselves rich, but most do what they think is best, only not everyone agrees on what that is.
As far as Lula trying to gag the press, he evidently didn't do a very good job, since there has been plenty of negative publicity about him, the lava-jato, and other corruption cases. How much criticism of the military government was there in the press, on TV etc, during those 20 years they were in power?
@DT
Mar 10th, 2018 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, but they should know they need to protest in a civilized manner and stick to the right channels...otherwise, it's the installation of chaos. The military did not discourage anything except the minority's attempts to promote radical socialism, and the impulse to rise up in arms to get it. The military really didn't want power...they took it reluctantly and hung on to it until they believed the civilians were prepared to take it back....and also due to the popular pressure for changes, something which could only be directed against the status quo. If they wanted power, just for the sake of it, believe me, they could have held on to it.
The PC do B thinks it's fashionable to call themselves communists...it works because most people here have no clue of the difference between socialism and communism...if they did, they'd see how ridiculous such a name is.
“Most politicians do what they think is best”...right, and here, obviously different to what you are accustomed, that is stealing. I say with 100% confidence, that in Brazil, there is not even one government (Fed, State or municipal), one public agency, one State-run company, that is not wrought with corruption. The constant reports of corruption, all over Brazil, and some really bizarre schemes, are undeniable proof that here, politics attracts mostly potential thieves. And they don't care, because it's not their money being robbed.
Re Lula trying to gag the press, Congress buried his dreams, and Dilma funnily enough, at least officially, maintained she was against censorship...one of the few times when she stood her ground against Lula.
In the 60's, TV was not available to most, but there was criticism against the government, which was 'put up with' provided presented in a 'constructive' manner...the military were not deaf to the 'people's' wishes, and tried to do what was best for Brazil...reasons why I maintain they were a reasonable solution to the problem presented in '64.,
“I maintain they were(the dictatorship) a reasonable solution to the problem presented in '64.”
Mar 11th, 2018 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0A coup that was instigated with US support after presenting a bogus narrative of an imminent communist uprising
“Quadros refuses a US demand for support of the impending Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, $300 million “offered as a bribe” by Kennedys advisor on Latin American affairs John Moors Cabot, US Ambassador to Brazil
However, Goulart’s “crime” is to try to continue Quadros independent foreign policy, strongly opposed to the US sanctions against Cuba [a continual act of war now condemned internationally, nearly unanimously with the exception of the US and Israel]. “[Brazil identifies itself] with the democratic principles which unite the peoples of the West” but is “not part of any politico-military bloc”. speech to US Congress, New York Times 4/5/62.
He further angers the US by populist social reforms, although these are pitifully mild. As Goulart pointed out, General Douglas MacArthur had carried out a more radical distribution of land in Japan after WW II than anything planned in Brazil. He is labeled “dictatorial” for his appeals to the population over the heads of a hostile Congress and state governors (something Reagan later did on several occasions).
Inconveniently, the US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party, and early in 1964, Russian leader Khrushchev refuses even token financial aid to Goulart, not wishing to tangle with the US over the country. Brazil Herald, 3/6/64
“Well, Goulart got what was coming to him. Too bad he didn’t follow the advice we gave him when I was there.” Robert Kennedy, Attorney General
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/brazil.htm
@JB
Mar 11th, 2018 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I won't repeat what I wrote in the other thread, but it's obvious just from looking at the history that they discouraged things other than armed uprisings. They did keep changing leader so I guess they were trying to avoid a real dictatorship - or at least the appearance of one - and they don't seem to have been as bad as the juntas in Argentina and Chile, but that's not much to boast about.
Sadly I think you're right about the corruption in Brazil, and anyone new who gets elected soon joins in. But not every policy is designed solely to give them more money, surely?
“Dilma funnily enough, at least officially, maintained she was against censorship...one of the few times when she stood her ground against Lula.”
Good for her. With her background - different to Lula's - I think it's not surprising she'd be opposed to it. But all too many people who complain about censorship when they are not in power, are happy to stifle criticism once they are.
There were newspapers in the 60s, and TV must have been common by the 80s when civilian rule was restored. But I guess it might be hard to remember what people were saying back then. In the UK in the 80s and 90s there was a program called Spitting Image; I don't really remember it but it caricatured politicians and other celebrities and was not flattering to them. Would something like that have been tolerated? How about accusations of corruption, did you ever hear any?
@DT
Mar 12th, 2018 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0AFAIC, I’m grateful to the military ; don’t care what others think. Rgdng the “excesses”, or whatever, it was their response to those who decided to oppose them with force. People have the right to their opinions, but if they never experienced the 60s, what do they REALLY know ? Forming an opinion after the event, will depend on what you read and your own predisposition to believe what you want to.
But the military had no grand ambitions; the take-over, as well as handing back power to the civilians, were peaceful ; what happened in between, we all know, and either you agree or not. And I repeat, it’s pointless to judge what the military did, using today’s ‘unthreatened’ democracy as a reference. It’s not a matter of boasting about them, but being thankful that they were less blood thirsty.
In the 60’s, the great majority of Brazilians were illiterate; reason why newspapers weren’t too effective in spreading the news to the general population. However, in 1970, the military launched a national program to eradicate illiteracy (Mobral), an initiative the civilians were never interested in...for obvious reasons. Education has improved, but the general mentality of politicians hasn’t.
TV was becoming more popular in the 80’s, but was still pretty shitty quality, which contributed greatly to the success of cable TV, with foreign channels, in the 90s.
Dilma was more educated than Lula, but who wasn’t ? despite that, she was incompetent, and allowed herself, most of the time, to be Lula’s doormat .
Politicians here have always considered themselves a class apart, and have never taken kindly to being satirized, even when fully justified, usually threatening ‘offenders’….Lula is the typical example.
I’m not naïve to the point of believing there wasn’t corruption during the military rule and do remember a couple cases - the Rio/Niteroi bridge, and the so-called ‘Ferrovia do Aço (‘Steel’ railroad), but it was far less common than in the civilian govts.
“It was their response to those who decided to oppose them with force”
Mar 12th, 2018 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The military where the first to use force in deposing a democratically elected president. Guerrillas only surfaced three years later.
“If they never experienced the 60s, what do they REALLY know“ Well the historical record confirms you are a liar.
“The Araguaia guerrilla (Portuguese: Guerrilha do Araguaia) was an armed movement in Brazil against its military dictatorship, active between 1967-1974 in the Araguaia river basin.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araguaia_Guerrilla_War
TWIMC,
Mar 12th, 2018 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know why I even waste my time replying to TH's BS....but here goes :
“Guerrillas only surfaced three years later.”....REALLY, in only 1967 ??? he is either grossly misinformed or an inveterate LIAR....most likely, both. Anyway, the so-called “Guerrilha do Araguaia” (up in the Rio araguaia region, in the Amazon) refers to only one of the several resistance movements, up in the Amazon...other urban groups were active in the South east....perhaps he should read :- “https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luta_armada_de_esquerda_no_Brasil” ; the left was already organizing itself to try to topple the government back in 1961.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Mar 12th, 2018 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“perhaps he should read” Which takes us to a page that has absolutely no information on the subject. Which means there nothing in the public record to substantiate your claim. So over to you , oh great untruthful one.
While both sides in this struggle were convicted they were right. The military certainly were in cahoots with the US government, and by that definition alone were traitors. Thus, those that apposed them held the moral higher ground.
“In 1964, with US Ambassador Lincoln Gordon’s promises of immediate recognition and petroleum support, and with a US Navy task force an aircraft carrier, destroyers, guided missiles in Brazilian coastal waters, US-armed elements in the military advance upon Rio with troops and tanks. Not wanting to be responsible for bloodshed among Brazilians, Goulart refuses to call on loyalist forces and flees to Uruguay.” Washington Post, 4/3/64
In the usual hysterical tone, the coup is called “a great victory for the free world” without which there could have been a “total loss to the West of all South American Republics”, and “the only unfortunate note was the obviously limited participation in the [celebration] march of the lower classes”. cables to Washington from Gordon
Which reinforces that the majority of Brazilians had voted for the deposed president. While a selfish minority favoured the overthrow that had the driving force of a foreign country behind it.
“And it is under this regime that Latin America first sees torture and death squads, largely undertakings of the police and the military, both underwritten by the US.” Chomsky and Herman, The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism.
In the same manner that they had in numerous other Latin American countries, in an exercise of neo-colonialism. That perpetrated illegalities that would have caused a revolution if exercised in the US.
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