Cunha, the driving force of Rousseff's impeachment sentenced to 15 years

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Brazilian court has sentenced the former speaker of the country’s lower house, Eduardo Cunha to more than 15 years in prison for corruption. The ex Worker’s Party member is the highest profile political conviction yet in the ‘operation car wash’ scandal. Read full article

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REF: “sentenced to 15 years”:

- is that 15 months, weeks, days or hours?
- so how much would he earn to be imprisoned?
- how much would he earn to keep his lips sealed?
- what's the cost to keep him imprisoned?
- he'll return all the loot gathered in the past - Of Course!
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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DemonTree
“The ex Worker’s Party member”

Get it right, Mercopress, Cunha was in the PMDB, not the Worker's Party.

According to Wikipedia he had to resign from his first political job as deputy Secretary of Housing after 6 months due to allegations of corruption, but that didn't stop him getting elected to the Chamber of Deputies and then becoming speaker of the house. He's also an evangelical Christian and is accused of laundering money through a Megachurch. Why do these people always turn out to be hypocrites?
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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@DT

REF: “PMDB, not the Worker's Party.”:

PMDB/PT/MDB & Co.: Birds of the SAME feather!

REF: “He's also an evangelical Christian” and
REF: “Why do these people always turn out to be hypocrites?”:

EXPLANATION:

NOT at all a hypocrite but an extremely PRACTICAL visionary!

By Money-Laundering through the Megachurch and with Mouth-Watring “DONATIONS”; he declares himself to be THE “BELIEVER” of the evangelical faith and a pious “DEVOTEE” [to an ambitious political party which has a strong majority].

The Party will then be obliged to “bless” him with the freedom [well before the present sentence is over] to continue stealing and also to SUPPORT him when he decides [S00N] to be The President of Brazil.

SO, WHAT IS WRONG?
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Brasileiro
Brazil currently develops most of the world's aerospace technology. This technology has already been used successfully by the BRICS countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZb53lig7xU
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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THIS “technology” has ALSO been used successfully: REF: “A prisão de poderosos está prestes a se tornar uma lenda no Brasil”:
http://politica.estadao.com.br/blogs/fausto-macedo/a-prisao-de-poderosos-esta-prestes-a-se-tornar-uma-lenda-no-brasil-diz-deltan-da-lava-jato/
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Brasileiro
Better than arresting an innocent...
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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REF: “Better than arresting an innocent...”:

ALL the politicians are NOT GUILTY!:
http://www.essaseoutras.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/fichalimpapolitica.jpg
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
TWIMC...

O general de exército da reserva Luiz Gonzaga Schroeder Lessa foi além...:
Disse que, se o tribunal permitir que Lula se candidate e se eleja presidente, não restará outra alternativa do que a intervenção militar.
“Se acontecer tanta rasteira e mudança da lei, aí eu não tenho dúvida de que só resta o recurso à reação armada. Aí é dever da Força Armada restaurar a ordem...”

http://politica.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,supremo-pode-ser-indutor-de-violencia-diz-general-da-reserva,70002252153

The wet dream of turnips Jack Bauer & :o))
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Apr 03rd, 2018 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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REF: “Julgamento de Lula pode manchar ”IMAGEM“ do Brasil, diz Gilmar Mendes”:
https://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/julgamento-de-lula-pode-manchar-imagem-do-brasil-diz-gilmar-mendes/

At least SOMEBODY has a genuine concern. BUT the questions are:
- IMAGE???
- WHAT “IMAGE”? :o))))
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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DemonTree
Damn, that's bad news. And hypocritical to complain about the law being changed, and then propose to overthrow the constitution in order to prevent it.
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeYVIWz99I
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
@Think
Hate to think what your wet dream is....perhaps kneeling before Lula ?

@:o)): & DT
Right ....Cunha was never affiliated to the PT.....he belonged to the PPB, PP and since 2003, the PMDB

See that “Brasileiro” has given us the pleasure of his company, and of his usual crap.
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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DemonTree
@JB
Do you want the army to take over, if the STF let Lula off?
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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@JB:

REF: “......................perhaps kneeling before Lula?”:

:o)))) By BOTH of his not-so-glorious ends, I assume!

@DT & @Think:

The parties & their members [99.99%] being crooked; they wouldn't like to see a Fellow-Crook behind bars.

It's simply because they're afraid that they will be the next; if Lulla goes [where he deserves to be].

Besides; they must be eagerly waiting for their Team-Mates who are behind bars; to get the same verdict; so that they too will be FREE [to steal] AGAIN!

Thus, the “Not Guilty” verdict benefits ALL! So exactly WHAT'S WRONG with THAT?
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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Stink the Chimp is back with his silly comments...however, he IS good at quoting specially selected excerpts to try make a point about a subject he is not particularly familiar with.

@DT
Let's put it this way : IF the STF rules favourably to allow Lula to stay out of prison, besides simply ignoring his prior conviction, confirmed unanimously by two appellate courts (TRF-4, STJ), and making a mockery of the Brazilian Justice system, this will set a precedent that will (as I've said recently) put dozens of thousands of criminals back on the streets...until ALL their endless appeals are ruled upon by the STF; (one side-effect : Brazil will solve its problem of overcrowded prisons...LOL); Here the question is, if in most civilized countries, jail time starts after conviction in a lower court (which still allows appeals to higher courts, thus in practice recognizing the principle of “presumption of innocence”), why should a criminal be allowed to stay out of jail while his appeals are not ruled upon ? In Brazil, those with money who can afford expensive lawyers (paid for with stolen money), can submit dozens of appeals (which may eventually reach the STF where they will collect dust for a couple of decades), translating literally, into total impunity. So if Lula stays out of jail, he will do what he does best : keep on destabilizing the country (socially and politically), which in all likeliness will mean that the rest of Brazil will go down the drain in the same way that Rio has, where the police forces alone are incapable of stopping crime, and requiring the military to try to impose law and order ; So, if that is what it takes to reduce crime, increase safety, to reduce corruption /impunity and put criminals behind bars (where they belong), to get the country back on track economically, it boils down to supporting one of the two possibilities : a Bolivarian State or one with the military in charge for a few more years... I'd stick with the latter.
Apr 04th, 2018 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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DemonTree
@JB
That seems a bit like catastrophising. The supreme court only made the ruling allowing prison after 2 convictions in 2016 didn't they? And Brazil managed to survive up until then without turing into a Bolivarian State or the military taking over.

It doesn't seem to have made much difference to the violent criminals either, only to the theiving politicians, who I'm sure will all take advantage if Lula is allowed to stay out of jail.

It's true in most countries you go to jail after the first conviction, seems like the people who made the laws in Brazil don't have confidence in their own justice system. But the solution should be fairer trials in the first place, not endless appeals that allow the guilty and innocent alike to escape punishment.

As for destabilising the country, threatening a coup is a good deal more destabilising, and what makes you think it would just be a few years? They stuck around over 20 last time, and if it's the army who put him in jail his supporters will believe him a political prisoner and rally behind him even more. Using force won't change people's minds, if they get to vote again they'll just elect more Lulas, or someone even more radical. And that is besides all the bloodshed this general is threatening.
Apr 04th, 2018 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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@DT:

REF: “Do you want the army to take over”:

- They could not even take care of the favelas. Who will believe that they can look after a whole country [full of - all kinds of - crooks]
- They already have a “Good thing going” [with a lot of benefits, compensations & privileges] and that too, without any headache. They'd definitely NOT like to adopt a BIG headache of looking after a whole country!
Apr 04th, 2018 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
@DT
Perhaps, but who in 1964 thought the army would step in ? By the fact that the PT's core philosophy is that of the “Foro de SP”, I wouldn't exclude any scenario if Lula's HC (to avoid prison) had been accepted. The ruling of prison after conviction by an appellate court (2nd instance) existed from 1941 to 2009....Don't know why it was revoked in 2009 (but probably due to pressure from Congress to save their butts, in the middle of the 'mensalão' corruption scheme) but in 2016 the STF, under pressure from Society in general (against endless appeals and no jail time while not ruled upon, reinforcing impunity), decided to validate it again. Yesterday was all about the PT and Lula's defense lawyers trying to change the law so that Lula's impunity could carry on....Luckily, they failed.

As to violent street crime, what goes on in the STF obviously has little or no effect, and has to be approached differently.
Rgdng General EVB and his message that corruption and impunity have to end, only those who have reason to be scared, reacted aggressively...it's only destabilising in the minds of those who are on the wrong side of the law....as they say here, “quem não deve, não teme”, or “those who've done nothing wrong, have nothing to fear”...IF, I repeat IF the military did take over - and even I think it's highly unlikely that they would - they have no interest other than to see the country remain on the right track, and that includes the exclusion of any variation of the “Foro de SP”...so IMO, to take power again, is the last thing they want....I don't think they would need to use force, but IF they did, I wouldn't doubt their resolve.

This bloodshed thing is not coming fm the army, but from the left, the PT's leadership and the MST, who have made all sorts of threats of extreme violence if Lula is jailed...which he will be - tomorrow by 5 pm, in Curitiba - but let's see. Other than marches, blocking highways and burning tyres, don't think much'll happen.
Apr 05th, 2018 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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@DT:

REF: “But the solution should be fairer trials ............. and innocent alike to escape punishment”:

TRUE!

Quite a few of the advocates/judges go on ranting endlessly without much substance in their statements and without focussing mainly on the proofs, evidence, witnesses, testimonies, investigations, etc. So the culprits and their advocates often/almost get away with the [frequent] pleads of innocence. The law favors THEM! Haven't U observed the phenomenon [recently]?
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