MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentine minister refers to Malvinas as Falklands, and triggers a political storm
Argentina's Defense minister has sparked a political storm after appearing to imply the Falkland Islands are British. Oscar Aguad has been accused by the Buenos Aires media of suggesting that the Islands were not part of Argentine territory. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTWIMC...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse -8I Think..., I will let them Anglo Turnips swallow and comment on this magnificent example of FAKE NEWS..., before helping them to regurgitate it...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Yes Twinkle its pathetic, you know how that feels.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse +3First Little Anglo Turnip raised from the depths and nipped to my Mickey Muddler....
Apr 06th, 2018 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse -7I'll wait for the big ones;-)
Sovereignty Based on Inheritance:-
Apr 06th, 2018 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Section I, of the Argentine Constitution affirms a ''legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas...as they are an integral part of the national territory'. Over many generations, history and geography text books particularly have reinforced this belief, relying primarily on the principle of uti possidetis juris (as you possess under the law), ( A Geopolitical Perspective on Argentina's Malvinas/Falkland Claims, Keeling D.J. quoting Daus, F.A. Geografia de la Argentina, Buenos Aires, 1984).
Falklands - Argentina's Imaginary Territory (1 pg):- https://www.academia.edu/35715281/Falklands_Argentinas_Imaginary_Territory
Didn't Doc Kohen say that the name wasn't important?
Apr 06th, 2018 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse +6Fake Think? Didn't the story start here? https://www.mercadomilitar.com/noticias-militares-de-argentina-min-defensa-sobre-el-a-r-a-san-juan-17104/ before being picked up by the British Express newspaper.
Still, if true, he's getting off lightly -
//mundopoliticodiario.com/denunciaron-al-diputado-fernando-iglesias-por-sus-dichos-sobre-malvinas-ncn/
(I've missed the http: off in an attempt to get around the block on more than one link)
;-)
sometimes common sense prevails....
Apr 06th, 2018 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse +2Three Little Anglo Turnips raised from the depths and nipped to my Mickey Muddler....
Apr 06th, 2018 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse -4Three Little Anglo Turnips......., and an Engrish copper...
I Think..., I'll give the copper one more hour to find out why this MercoPress story is complete, brainwashing Fake News...
(Cue...: You just need to read your own link..., copper... ;-)
Why Think? It's just a story. If it's true, it's of no consequence. If it's false, it's of no consequence.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse +4I have merely provided an Argentine source.
I don't actually care ;-)
Me dear bobby...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse -6You..., naively..., say...:
***“ I have merely provided an Argentine source...”***
I say...:
O'Really...?
No wonder that your work is sooo bad & biased..., when you don't even know what your “sources” are..., laddie...
You principle seems to be...: It is in Spanish... must be Argentnean...
THINK again..., copper...
One Engrish FCO'er...
Two Aussies..
Three Colombians...
https://www.mercadomilitar.com/quienes-somos/
Chuckle..., chuckle...
https://www.mercadomilitar.com/quienes-somos/
Does that make it false Think?
Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +3TWIMC...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -3In the above FAKE NEWS short article..., them Engrish manage to lie whole 6 (six) times by saying and repeating that the minister used the “F” word... (Falklands)
In order of appearance...:
1) ***“ Argentine minister refers to Malvinas as Falklands...”***
2) (Picture caption) ***“ Aguad made the huge diplomatic gaffe when referring to the search of the missing submarine for ARA San Juan, by using the British term for the islands, Falklands instead of Malvinas...”***
3) (Article text) ***“ Aguad made the huge diplomatic gaffe when referring to the search of the missing submarine for ARA San Juan, by using the British term for the islands, Falklands instead of Malvinas...”***
4) (Picture caption) ***“ Speaking about the search for the vessel, which disappeared off Argentina's coast last November, the minister said the submarine did not sail near the Falklands....”***
5) (Article text) ***“ Speaking about the search for the vessel, which disappeared off Argentina's coast last November, the minister said the submarine did not sail near the Falklands....”***
6) ***“ He told reporters: “ARA San Juan did not even come close to the Falklands. It was in the Argentine Sea, in our sub-continental platform.”...“***
Well....................
Fact is that the minister DID NOT use the ”F” word... (Falklands)...:
(From minute 08:50)...:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OjCfbF29y1E
Engrish brainwash and lies anybody...?
Chuckle..., chuckle...
(Addenum to the Engris copper...:)
Read your Engrish arms dealers in Colombia article again..., Laddie...
They don't mention nowhere..., not once..., any mention of the “F” word by the Argie minister...
Neither does The Express...by the way...
The Express says - “Mr Aguad made the huge diplomatic gaffe when referring to the search for ARA San Juan, a missing Argentine submarine, by using the British term for the islands.”
Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +4The British term for the Islands would be ........... ?
The Spanish language report says that - “Dijo a los periodistas:..”
Where does it connect the story to that news item on Youtube?
You sure you have gone a little senile old man?
Right copper...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -6The Engrish Colombian arms dealer source in Spanish language says that - “Dijo a los periodistas...: “ARA San Juan ni siquiera se acercó a las Malvinas.”
But don't believe in the full video interwiev of the Argie minister in question..., nor your friendly Engrish Arms dealer in Colombia...
Keep believing in The Express... I is definitively your style...:-)))
The Spanish language report said - “El Sr. Aguad hizo una gran jugada diplomática al referirse a la búsqueda de ARA San Juan, un submarino argentino desaparecido, al usar el término británico para las islas.”
Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +4El término británico para las islas = .....?
The Minister was, according to both reports, speaking to reporters, not interviewed on the news.
Seems you're the one spreading Fake News Snr. Think.
Perhaps you should look, before you leap?
Age is a terrible thing.
Dear copper...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Your amusement value is as high as Boris Jobnson's :-)))
You are defending the indefensible and moving the goalposts in the process...
Even taking in consideration your pathetic monolinguism..., you know as well as I do that that interview I linked to is the only one there is...
The words are Verbatim with the exception that MercoPress chose to lie... and say that the minister used the “F” word... what he didn't do...
By the way... Your Engrish Arms dealer source in Colombia are nearly as funny as yourself...
In their article about USA' new army sidearm they translate it as...:
The USA soldiers will have a NEW LATERAL UPPER LIMB for personal protection...!!!
(“Los soldados de los EE. UU. tendrán un nuevo brazo lateral para la protección personal”)
https://www.mercadomilitar.com/la-nueva-arma-del-ejercito-de-ee-uu-9519/
I THINK they should have translated it as...“ Sidearm ”
Here's an Argentine source. It says nothing about him saying Falklands, only that he implied they aren't in the 'Mar Argentino', or on Argentina's continental shelf.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2https://www.eldestapeweb.com/ara-san-juan-aguad-las-malvinas-no-estan-dentro-mar-argentino-n41759/amp
Roger, is that link you gave about Fernando Iglesias true, or more fake news?
TWIMC...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -4This ain't the first time with a convenient “change of nomenclature” from this newsagency...
Some years ago I had to dissapoint sweet Kelper M_of_FI that thougt that it was awfully nice of Fidel Castro to utilize the “F” word to refer to them windblown Islands...;-)
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/30/us-has-permanent-military-bases-in-guantanamo-and-falklands-says-castro
Whether or not any of it is true I know not. The earliest story I am aware of was the Noticias Militares spanish language item. That appears to have been followed by the Express, which, in turn, has been followed by Mercopress.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Think keeps banging on about a TV interview which is not the same as speaking to reporters which was mentioned in the first report.
Unless you can find something from that talk to reporters you are not comparing like with like.
Dear Rodge...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The earliest story you are aware of was the Noticias Militares spanish language item....huhhh...?
A company directed by a Engrish Foreign & Colonial Office veteran with 22 years of loyal services to the Queen..., with a distinctive aroma of MI6..., trying to push some arms in Colombia...
https://www.mercadomilitar.com/quienes-somos/
And..., I must repeat..., so fluently in Spanish that translates the Engrish word “Sidearm” to Spanish as ...: “ Lateral Upper Limb”....
Unless you can find something better ..., lad..., you are not comparing like with like....
This story seems to have enraged serial turnipTwinkle who is bristling with indignation!
Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Now perhaps he may begin to understand what effect serial liars and fakes like himself have on peaceful decent, truthful law abiding people.
@RL
Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh come on, if there was a political storm reported in the Buenos Aires media, you wouldn't need to link to a Colombian article, would you? The story I found was from Argentina, and it has the very same quote included in this article:
”El ARA San Juan no pasó ni cerca de las Malvinas. Estuvo en el Mar Argentino (sic), en nuestra plataforma subcontinental.
“Tenia una misión, un ejercicio militar en el sur argentino, cerca de la Isla de los Estados. A eso fue.”
vs:
“ARA San Juan did not even come close to the Falklands. It was in the Argentine Sea, in our sub-continental platform.
”It had a mission, a military exercise in the South of Argentina, near the Island of the States. “Its mission was to observe, which is normal for a submarine.”
I'd say that's comparing like with like, wouldn't you? Probably someone read the story and got the wrong end of the stick, that's all.
@Think
http://industriashalcon.com/brazo-lateral.html ;)
That's what I mean when I say the boy has you sweating.............................., copper...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -3He doesn't buy your bull...(Despite that shiny Colonial medal of yours...;-)
By the way...
Nothing that I say here must be interpreted as a defence of Defence Minister Aguad...
He is one of the biggest turnips in the present administration...
One year ago..., when he was Communications Minister..., he told the press that..., in the future..., with some new technology..., a doctor will be able to take an X Ray in La Rioja, Argentina and..., almost immediately..., another doctor will be able to analyse it in Boston, Massachusetts, USA... :-0
Honest..., Guv'...
http://www.perfil.com/humor/aguad-se-sorprendio-con-internet-y-explotaron-las-cargadas-0223-0056.phtml
@falklands_utd is always a good laugh around this time of year
Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1https://twitter.com/falklands_utd?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Chuckle chuckle ;-D
You are a right pair of numpties, and no Think, I am not sweating.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The first article was over 12 hours ago and stated that - “... hizo una gran jugada diplomática al referirse a la búsqueda de ARA San Juan, un submarino argentino desaparecido, al usar el término británico para las islas.”
The Express followed with - “... Mr. Aguad made a great diplomatic move by referring to the search for ARA San Juan, a missing Argentine submarine, by using the British term for the islands.”
Where Mercopress got its story is not clear.
Now I know that Think is an old paranoid conspiracy theorist but I thought you had more wit DT. Seems not.
The issue is not about a platform, and if the Argentine Minister spoke to journalistS then the story is likely to have received a number of different renditions. There is no mention of a news interview despite Think attempting to link one.
What has made this non-story a story is the assertion that the Argentine Minister used the term Falkland instead of Malvinas. That's what the first news piece said (its source is irrelevant) and that is what the Express said. Whether its true I know not.
Think has made a mountain out of a molehill, and you appear to have tripped over it DT.
Please..., correct this humble Patagonian if he's wrong but..., ain't “Speaking to Journalists” what's normally done under a “News Interview”...?
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Chuckle..., chuckle...
You obviously do need correcting. The TV news interview you linked to is not “talking to journalists” - just one. But I'm glad you have given me the opportunity to get back in. Another report has popped up I see.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2https://www.eldestapeweb.com/ara-san-juan-aguad-las-malvinas-no-estan-dentro-mar-argentino-n41759
“ARA San Juan: for Aguad, the Falklands are not within the Argentine Sea. The Minister of Defense, Oscar Aguad, committed a furious when referring to the failed search of the ARA San Juan. In an interview with Eduardo Feinmann in A24, the radical assured that the coordinates of the trajectory of the boat had been edited to make it appear that it sailed close to the archipelago in dispute with the United Kingdom. ”I came to tell him the truth to demystify, the ARA San Juan did not go near the Falklands, it was in the Argentine Sea (sic), on our subcontinental platform, it had a mission, a military exercise in the Argentine south, near of the Island of the States. What the macrista official forgot is that the maritime territory that circumscribes the Malvinas Islands is considered by the Argentine State as the sovereign sea, besides that the Island of the States, is just over 300 km from the archipelago.”
Is that Argentine Think?
What a storm in a teacup! Are they really so infantil? And, of course, Think, “by shouting so loud”, is only just making it more of a gaff than it already is - if it is true!
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Still, as my old porteño friend always used to say “In English ”Falklands“ ”eeeen Español Malvinas“ ”et en frances malouines” pero es la misma mierda!
Are you pulling me leg.., copper...?
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -4That is the report that started everything...
That is the report Mr. DemonTree has already posted above...
That is the report that refers to the video I have posted above which you try to deny validity...
That is the report, written in Spanish were the “F” word is not mentioned once in its full length...
Until you Google Translate it to Engrish..., of course... :-)))))))))
Must ask you again... Are you pulling me leg...?
Geeeeeeee.... copper... You and Mercopress remaind me of this paIr of Argie dogs...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5xmpKfkFNkU
Roger, the only numpty here is the one who doesn't bother reading other people's posts before accusing them of tripping over molehills.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I linked that exact same article in my comment 2 hours ago: http://en.mercopress.com/2018/04/06/argentine-minister-refers-to-malvinas-as-falklands-and-triggers-a-political-storm/comments#comment486558
And no, it doesn't include the word Falklands.
Use your common sense. If he'd really said 'Falklands' we'd be able to hear the screams of outrage from England, and it would certainly be in all the Argentina papers.
No Think I am not attempting to pull any part of you - sound disgusting.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The original report I linked to above and which you believe was the work of Columbian arms dealers referred to the Minister speaking to journalistS (plural), not a TV interview. The Express story appears based on that.
What we appear to have is two different stories that have merged.
The first involves the Minister, speaking to journalists, and using the word Falklands and not Malvinas when referring to the islands.
The second is a TV interview with that same Minister who, according to my last link above, implied that the Falklands were neither in the Argentine Sea (wherever that is) or on Argentina's continental shelf.
No, what we appear to have is one story that someone read - perhaps even using google translate - and misinterpreted, and the incorrect version has been picked up by several other sites.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat; if he'd really said 'Falklands', you'd easily be able to find an article saying so in the Argentine press.
Rodge..., matey...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Ya mean like the two famous simultaneous interwiews of Boris Johnson...?
The one that is easy to find where he says that...:
***“ The people from Porton Down... the... the laboratory indeed they... they were absolutely categorically... I mean I asked the guy myself... I said... Are You Sure?... and he said... I have no doubt so I... ahhh......”***
And the one that is impossible to find... (Yet..., give the MI6 a couple of more weeks...;-) where he says that...:
***“ The people from Porton Down... the... the laboratory indeed they... they were absolutely categorically not... I mean I asked the guy myself... I said... Are You Sure?... and he said... I have doubt so I... ahhh......”***
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Like plaiting fog,
Apr 06th, 2018 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Report 1 = “Argentina's defense minister has provoked a political storm in his country after hinting that the Falkland Islands are British. Oscar Aguad suggested that the islands were not part of the Argentine territory, despite the fact that the South American country claims the Malvinas as its own. The Falkland Islands are a British overseas territory, but the dispute over their property has been a point of contention for many years. Mr. Aguad made a great diplomatic move by referring to the search for ARA San Juan, a missing Argentine submarine, by using the British term for the islands. The islands are called Malvinas by Argentina.”
NB “British term”
According to this the Minister used the British term - ie the F word.
Report 2 = ” In an interview with Eduardo Feinmann in A24, the radical assured that the coordinates of the trajectory of the boat had been edited to make it appear that it sailed close to the archipelago in dispute with the United Kingdom. ”I came to tell him the truth to demystify, the ARA San Juan did not go near the Falklands, it was in the Argentine Sea (sic), on our subcontinental platform, it had a mission, a military exercise in the Argentine south, near of the Island of the States. What the macrista official forgot is that the maritime territory that circumscribes the Malvinas Islands is considered by the Argentine State as the sovereign sea, besides that the Island of the States,...”
No use of the F word, but the implication that the Falklands are not in anything Argentine.
The Mercopress article above uses a headline relevant to the first story but with content relevant to the second.
How's that?
You better turn the Xær̒ khxndichạn..., laddie...:-)))
Apr 06th, 2018 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Roger, you've lost your way in the fog alright. There is no 'Report 1', it's a figment of some reporter's careless reading and summarising of the real story. He's hardly gonna make 2 separate, very similar gaffes in just a few days, is he?
Apr 06th, 2018 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
They should get Cassetteboy to do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEDFMKjhLRw
One of us is lost for sure, but it aint me.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1This was the first report I saw. It dates from the 5th.
https://www.mercadomilitar.com/noticias-militares-de-argentina-min-defensa-sobre-el-a-r-a-san-juan-17104/
It says what it says - true, fake or whatever. No mention of any Sea or continental shelf.
Political storm? Storm in a tea-cup more like.
It's late so I'll leave you two numpties to it. Back in 8.
Killjoy...
Apr 06th, 2018 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@RL
Apr 06th, 2018 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No mention of any Sea or continental shelf.”
Roger, you must have stayed up too late. How can you avoid making mistakes if you're not paying attention? From your linked article:
”Dijo a los periodistas: “ARA San Juan ni siquiera se acercó a las Malvinas. Fue en el Mar Argentino, en nuestra plataforma subcontinental.
“Tenía una misión, un ejercicio militar en el sur de Argentina, cerca de la Isla de los Estados.
“Su misión era observar, lo cual es normal para un submarino”.
Ring a bell?
Suppose you saw this article during your historical research, and decided to check the information, and you found an interview with the right minister, on the right day, saying the very same words as are in all the articles, with exactly the implication they claim. The ONLY difference is that he never said the word 'Falklands'.
And furthermore, you haven't found an account by one of the journalists who supposedly interviewed him, or indeed any article in the Argentine media complaining about their Defence Minister using the word 'Falklands'.
What's the most reasonable conclusion?
Sorry, mates -- Doesn't seem to be any reliable mention of this connected to Aguad in the usual argie media. At least none turns up in a quick googling.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1So is the real gaffe that he implied that the Malvinas Islands are not in the Argentine Sea...?
Apr 06th, 2018 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or is there no gaffe, it's getting confusing...
What a load of bollocks!
Apr 06th, 2018 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Voice
Apr 06th, 2018 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Yes, and not on their 'subcontinental platform'. Kinda similar to when Clarín said La Sanmartiniana was sailing back to Argentina. Obvious enough what they mean in both cases, but annoys the Malvinistas.
@ML
Thanks for telling us.
Philomena Cunk would probably make sense of this load of old tripe.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are Argie don't mention the F word!
It was late DT, but when I said - “No mention of any Sea or continental shelf.” I meant in the context of no gaff concerning those.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I still maintain that we have 2 separate stories that have merged. The first concerning the F word or “British term” which appears in the article I posted, the Express and the headline to this Mercopress article. The second is the interview where the Minister implied that the Islands are not in the Argentine Sea.
Now you can see it however you wish, but while there is no confirmation about the F word, it seems that the Minister did make such an implication in the news interview (as Think hasn't attempted to deny it) ergo while the F word story may. or may not be fake, the Argentine Sea story would appear NOT to be fake news. Which was the allegation that started all this nonsense.
And until further information arrives, if it does, there I shall leave.
Good morning by the way
There is no evidence at all for two stories. ML couldn't find anything, I couldn't find anything, you found nothing more than I did. You can't possibly believe the Arg papers wouldn't publish it if they had it. But hey, if you want to believe in myths that's your prerogative.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I suppose it is now technically morning here, which is a good reason for me to go to bed. So good morning and good night.
The evidence for 2 stories is that the article I posted made no mention that it was founded upon a TV news interview. But then perhaps Argentine Ministers ONLY speak to TV people and not other journalists.
Apr 06th, 2018 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Have a good night.
TWIMC...
Apr 07th, 2018 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse -2Freaking late down here but..., as I don't have no nagging Missus'es nomore..., telling me when to go to bed..., I can do whatever I fancy...;-)
Mr. DemonTree... I am sorry but it seems that your conversation with this policing, haughty Engrish precursor of SIRI/ALEXA has run into dificculties...
I THINK you know what the problem is..., as well as I do...
His mission is to important for him to evaluate to jeopardize it...
He knows that you and I were planning to rebute him and that's something he can' t allow to happen...
He ain't listening to anything we say..., but he is haughtily convinced that he can read our minds...
DemonTree... this conversation can't serve no purpose anymore...
Good bye...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qDrDUmuUBTo
Chuckle...,chuckle...
Difficulties Think? Rebut me Think?
Apr 07th, 2018 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse +2Are you still dreaming?
For the record, the MercadoMilitar article quite clearly refers to the Argentine Minister speaking to journalists (plural). There was no mention of a news interview, nor, tellingly, to any gaffs regarding the continental shelf or the Argentine Sea.
The Express piece is remarkably similar. So much so that I suspect the Express journalist got his information from MercadoMilitar.
That said, there is only one way to find out. So, I have written to the Express journalist asking if he will provide details of his source. I have similarly left a comment on the MercadoMilitar piece asking for their source.
Neither the F word story, nor the Argentine Sea story is gaining any traction. So much for a “storm” but that also makes it less likely that further stories will follow. Clarity may be hard to find.
Think, you can prove neither story as “fake” and it's probably better you use the “no purpose anymore” excuse, and slip quietly away into the night.
Chuckle...,chuckle...
Think always hedges his bets.
Apr 07th, 2018 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1“The defence minister didn’t say Falklands. Anyway, he is just an idiot”
“That oil belongs to Argentina. Anyway, there is no oil”
“Them islands are Argentine and we’re going to get them. Even if they are just a bunch of windswept miserable rocks.”
Poor old Think.
Chuckle chuckle
@RL
Apr 07th, 2018 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse -1“The evidence for 2 stories is that the article I posted made no mention that it was founded upon a TV news interview.”
The article you posted has him saying to journalists (plural), the exact quote you can hear him saying to a journalist (singular) in the video that Think posted. So the article you posted is simply wrong about the plural part.
Tellingly, there is no quote in that article of him saying 'Falklands' - because no such quote exists.
I hope you weren't so stubbornly wedded to your first hypothesis back when you were solving crimes.
The best thing about this story is that it seems to have driven Twinkle mad literally spluttering with indignation. What a sad person…
Apr 07th, 2018 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse +2Dont mention the F word!
Chuckle chuckle…
I am nothing if not tenacious. A Minister repeating himself to both journalists and a TV interviewer would hardly be unusual, as they often rehearse what they intend to say. If (and I suspect it's a big if) I get any responses from the journalists, I'll let you know.
Apr 07th, 2018 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse +1Just so you don't waste your time, ad hominems bounce off. I used to teach investigative techniques, one of which was not to take anything at face value.
Mr. Jo Bloggs...
Apr 07th, 2018 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse -2Just to keep the record straight...:
You say that I said...:
“The defence minister didn’t say Falklands. Anyway, he is just an idiot”
I said...:
“The defence minister didn’t say Falklands... Anyway, he is just a turnip”
You say that I said...:
“That oil belongs to Argentina. Anyway, there is no oil”
I said...:
“That oil belongs to Argentina... Anyway, there is no commercial oil”
You say that I said...:
“Them islands are Argentine and we’re going to get them. Even if they are just a bunch of windswept miserable rocks.”
I said...:
“Them islands are Argentine and we’re going to get them... Even if they are just a bunch of windswept rocks.”
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
Mr. Roger Lorton...
You used to teach investigative techniques..., huhhhhhh...?
Please apply some of those to your new found Engrish/Aussie arm dealer friends in Colombia...
i am quite interested in that new USA Army of three arms armed cyborgs they are reporting on... ;-)))
https://www.mercadomilitar.com/la-nueva-arma-del-ejercito-de-ee-uu-9519/
Think - you want a pistol? I would have thought any street corner in old Buenos Aires could have arranged one of those for you.
Apr 07th, 2018 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse +1Of course, in my day, investigative techniques tended to involve a couple of wire attached to the goolies (only joking - that was a couple of weeks before I joined) :-)
@RL
Apr 07th, 2018 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse -1It would be unusual for a Minister to repeat a gaffe to both journalists and a TV interviewer. It would be very unusual for such a gaffe to be reported only on a Colombian arms website and the Express, and not one single Argentine news outlet. Did the investigative techniques you taught include Occam's razor? And when doing your historical research, did you learn the difference between a primary and secondary source?
@Think
Don't you sleep?!
DT - I have an MPhil. A research Masters. I know how to do research. I also know about primary and secondary resources, and employ both ( the relevance and use of secondary resources is often misunderstood). It seems to me that you are the one making assumptions, not me.
Apr 07th, 2018 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse +1I also know that the way to get to the bottom of a problem is to dig.
As for the Columbian website, I note that the studio gaffs aren't making any headway either. So, are they false? I don't know. Let's keep digging till we find out.
You can be sure that I will.
DT, ”Think don't you sleep' Doh! Thats because Twinkle isnt in SA, he's here.
Apr 07th, 2018 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse +1No..., Rodge..., I don't want no new pistol... me auld S&W 41 is more than enough for down here...
Apr 07th, 2018 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But..., as I said before..., I would like to know a lot more about that ***“Third Upper Limb for Defence”*** your Engrish arms dealer mate in Colombia wrote a whole article about...
A pity for you..., you were a couple of weeks late to experience the wires attached to the goolies thrill..., copper...
You should have visited your Argie colleagues of the time...
They had developed a special electric vaginal prod...
It worked wonders on them pregnant commies...
Yes..., I do sleep..., Mr. DemonTree... Just not always eight hours in a row as once...
So Thinks scrambles on here and forecasts that the “Anglos” will get worked up about this Argie Minister referring to us as the Falklands. Classic and predictable defence mechanism. The only thing is, it turns out he’s posted on this thread more than anyone else about it. Perhaps it is he who is all worked up.
Apr 07th, 2018 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The Islands are Argie Islands! Do you hear me, Argie Islands! But they’re windswept and horrible! Who would want them anyway!
It’s Argie oil! Do you hear me! Argie oil! There is no oil! No oil!
No Argie DM called the Islands the Falklands! I’ll prove it by posting relentlessly about it! Anyway, even if he did say it, twice, he’s an idiot anyway!
Go take a nap Think. Nobody else cares.
Chuckle chuckle
Your brains are scrambled Think - side arm........ side armament ...... gun ............ service pistol
Apr 07th, 2018 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@RL
Apr 07th, 2018 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Really? Did you do that because of your Falklands interest or were you interested in research before?
Back on topic, I had another look at your Colombian arms dealers' article and they give their source as the Express. So we are left with no Spanish language source at all for this supposed interview with journalists plural, which bears such a striking and suspicious resemblance to the actual interview with journalist singular.
In general, how reliable would you rate the Express as a source?
As for the studio gaffe, I'd say the video of the interview is evidence enough that it was real - didn't you watch it? The 'political storm' was clearly much exaggerated, though.
Relax................, Mr. Jo Bloggs...
Apr 07th, 2018 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Watch your blood pressure...
You sound all worked up...
Try to chucke more...
Chuckle, chuckle...
Rodge..., me friendly monolingual Engrish neighbourhood copper...
I'll explain it AGAIN to you...:
Your Engrish gun runner friend in Colombia machine translated “Side Arm” into Spanish as...: “Brazo Lateral”
“Brazo Lateral” in Spanish means...: “Lateral Upper Limb”
The correct human tanslation of ”Side Arm (handgun)“ to Spanish is...: ”Arma de Mano“
Capisce now...?
You Engrish gun runner friend is not only a smelly death merchant..., he is also a turnip...
Mr. DemonTree...
You say...:
***”The 'political storm' was clearly much exaggerated, though.”***
I say...:
You Engrish are soo polite with each other...
If an Engrishman bloody lies..., he is exaggerating...
If a foreigner bloody lies... he is bloody lying...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
https://notesfromtheuk.com/2017/01/20/british-understatement/
Apr 07th, 2018 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -1But does that mean Boris is a foreigner? He *was* born in America, perhaps they'd like him back?
MPhil. Roger Lorton...
Apr 07th, 2018 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The boy is making you sweat alright..., Copper...
It took him just to read to the end of your alledged...: “Primary Spanish Source” to find out it was a “Secondary Engrish Translated Source”...
Time to freshen up your “Investigative Techniques” perhaps..., auld chap...?
You better start asuming that he's at least as intelligent as you Think you are... ;-)
By the way... If you already know that the way to get to the bottom of a problem is to dig...
I won't need to tell you what to do when you reach the bottom...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
You appear to have an issue with sweat Think.Bit weird. I don't suffer as I have air conditioning.
Apr 07th, 2018 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hardly my fault if Columbians can't speak Spanish. It translated perfectly for me as side-arm.
DT - the author of the Express piece was one Tom Parfitt. I have messaged him on Twitter but without any response as yet. Young looking fella. This story has made no traction in the Argentine press. Unless I get a response from Parfitt, I'm out of leads.
As for the Mphil, no there was a natural progression from the law degree to the Masters. My subject for that was firearms law. Never expected to turn away into historical research.
@RL
Apr 07th, 2018 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Be honest now, what odds would you give that Oscar Aguad used the word Falklands in an interview with journalist(s) a few days ago?
I suspect if Mr Parfitt does reply, he'll say his source was El Destape or similar.
Firearms law is certainly not much related to historical research, though I imagine it was more useful in your job. Something I'm curious about: you've refused to debate with Kohen, but debating is a very different skill from research. So do you feel you'd be able to debate the issues in general, and do you think it would ever be useful to do so?
DT - honestly? I think the odds are good. Being prone to gaffes would hardly be something confined to Boris Johnson.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse +3I note that the Express article was amended 5 hours after first being published with a credit at the bottom going to a Maria Ortega for “additional reporting”. If Parfitt had to be corrected I suspect he'll not be wanting to reply to me.
On the issue of debate, I have not refused, because I have never received a real invitation. Unlike Kohen, I don't have an expense account and travelling around the world is an expensive game. Kohen did challenge Pascoe & Pepper to a debate in Stanley but I believe that illness got in the way.
There was a period of about 3 years where I challenged Kohen to a meeting in London but he never responded. I doubt we could even agree on a format, because Kohen does not debate, at least not in the sense that I understand it. Kohen's 'debates' consist of giving a presentation and then taking a few questions. The other side then repeats that process. The end.
My history has seen me in the witness stand being cross-examined on my evidence. That is a far harsher environment than the type of debate that Kohen goes in for. Verbal violence but with a decision at the end as to who had been the most convincing.
Outside a courtroom, if face to face, a round table argument would be my preference I suppose. The better alternative would be a written debate as it would allow the detail to come out. Some years ago Kohen and I faced off in the Facebook News page. He blinked first and left sadly.
And no, I doubt it would be in the least useful. The first problem is the extent of the history which covers over 500 years and would take a long time to get through in the sort of detail it deserves. Also both he and I are entrenched in our views and even where we see the same evidence we interpret that evidence differently. The devil really is in the detail on this one.
Ever useful? Only before the ICJ or PCA I suspect.
I think the odds are approximately zero, and I don't understand why you continue to insist on something for which there is no evidence whatsoever. I'd propose a bet if only there was some way to settle it.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2The Minister of Defence has a twitter account: https://twitter.com/oscaraguadcba?lang=en how about you send him a link to the Mercopress or Express story and ask him to deny it publically if it's not true? Make sure to point out the part about using the 'F-word' if you do this, since we know the quotes are otherwise accurate.
RE the debate, fair enough about the expense account. But Kohen's a lawyer, wouldn't he have been doing the cross-examining? Seems like you both have some useful practice that, say, a historian would lack.
Does it still count as a debate if it's written? But that would be quite a lengthy process I should think, not surprising he doesn't want to get into it.
What is the PCA, by the way?
You'd not have made a copper DT. The words are clear enough - “He told reporters”. No mention of a TV News item. That is the evidence but no, I doubt there's a way to settle it.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse +2PCA = https://pca-cpa.org/en/home/
I'm beginning to doubt you make a researcher. Your only evidence is a foreign (tabloid) news report, and there is literally nothing from the original country, despite the fact it happened only a few days ago? The fact they said 'journalists' instead of 'journalist' means nothing when they give the exact same quote from the TV news interview.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse -4If Mr Aguad denies saying it, will that be enough for you, or will you still prefer that bastion of journalistic integrity the Express over the mouth of the horse in question?
Earlier you spoke about assumptions - and yet it is you that are making all of them.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse +2Twinkle sitting back, grinning, drooling, rubbing hands with glee. Just what he wanted. Light fuse and retire…
Apr 08th, 2018 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You actually make a good point TV, and it's all getting very circular and tedious. Therefore, I'll state the facts as I see them and then step off this carousel.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse +11. A video of a TV interview with the Argentine Defence Minister is posted on Youtube on the 3rd.
2. On the 4th, that interview is commented upon by the news outlet Eldestape, pointing out gaffes the Minister has made.
3. An Express journalist publishes a piece on the 5th referring to the same Minister talking to journalists (plural) and making a different gaffe whilst using certain stock phrases. That in its turn, is picked up by a military web page and forms the heading of the Mercopress article above.
Think jumps in with the claim that 3 is the same as 1 and is fake news.
DT jumps in and assumes that Think is correct, despite there being no evidence that the journalist at 3 had ever seen the interview at 1.
The Journalist at 3 claims the Minister made certain comments to reporters (plural) on an unnamed day. I have chosen to believe him in the absence of any contrary evidence.
I shall leave it at that, other than to say I have e-mailed the journalist and if he responds, I'll let you know.
TTFN
@RL
Apr 08th, 2018 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse -2No I didn't, I asked if you'd heard of Occam's razor, and if you knew the difference between primary and secondary sources. You were the one talking about assumptions. I agree I am making a couple, but I think they are very reasonable ones, strongly backed by the evidence.
I'd like to see what assumptions you believe I am making though, so do please enlighten me.
And will you try to contact Oscar Aguad on twitter? I don't have an account and would rather not go through the hassle of making one. If you tell him the Express is printing fake news about him, he might be more inclined to reply. ;)
Goooooooooooooooood boy...
Apr 08th, 2018 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse -3Now..., please stop running rings around Rodge...
You are making him sweat... and triggering his usual hyperarousal response...
Tell me...
Could you imagine any normal person accepting to travel to London to debate about a serious issue like the Falklands/Malvinas with a grumpy retired Copper that stubbornly and haughtly defends the veracity of some more than evident Fake News..., he himself defines as “of no consequence”..., from a World Famous Lying Tabloid...?
SOLELY based on a letter “S”..., carelessly added by the same World Famous Lying Tabloid at the end of the word...: “Journalist”...!
No I can't, but hey, if Kohen is willing to travel thousands of miles from Geneva to Stanley to give a presentation in front of 8 people, who knows?
Apr 08th, 2018 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse -6It's Malvinense who is always asking people to debate, anyway. IMO It's kinda unrealistic to ask random commentors here to do it, that's why I wanted to know what Roger thought.
PS. I concur with your opinion on the journalistic integrity of the Daily Express newspaper.
PPS. That means I think they're bloody liars.
Heyyyyyyy..., lad...
Apr 08th, 2018 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1How comes you..., consistenly..., get more votes than Ì...?
You Engrish... Always favouring your kin..., no matter what..., huhhhh...?
@Think
Apr 08th, 2018 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whenever I get a whole bunch of downvotes at once I suspect Kanye. But possibly I have also enraged the Brexpress readers this time. ;)
@RL
I didn't see your last post earlier, and I have to say I'm disappointed. I *certainly* did not assume that Think was correct. I did my own research and found the article on Eldestape, and more importantly I didn't find anything else.
Let me state the facts as I see them:
1. A video of a TV interview with the Argentine Defence Minister is posted on Youtube on the 3rd.
2. On the 4th, that interview is commented upon by the news outlet Eldestape, pointing out a gaffe the Minister has made, with a quote that implies the Falklands are not part of Argentine territory.
3. An Express journalist publishes a piece on the 5th referring to the same Minister talking to journalists (plural) and saying he made a gaffe which implies the islands are not part of Argentine territory. However, it describes it differently, saying he refered to the islands using the British term. The article goes on to give the same quote as Eldestape, translated into English and using the English term for the islands. Additionally, it says this faux pas has sparked a diplomatic storm.
The article is worded in a why that implies the Express got this information second hand - 'He told reporters', not 'He told the Express'.
Assumption:
If Aguad had used the word Falklands in an interview with journalists, this would have been mentioned in the Argentine press.
Evidence:
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/03/falklands-or-malvinas-uproar-in-argentina-with-ypf-tourist-guide
I'll post my conclusions if someone could kindly give me more space.
Be me guest....
Apr 08th, 2018 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, Think.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2There is no sign of a diplomatic storm in Argentina; that is evidence against the accuracy of the article. There is no mention of this supposed gaffe in the Argentine press; that is evidence against the accuracy of the article. The information appears to be second hand, yet we can find no source other than the TV interview; more evidence against the accuracy of the article. The identical quotes, very similar implications, and coincidence of timing strongly suggest that the Express article must be referring to the TV interview in (1).
Against all this, we have a single letter 'S', carelessly added to the word 'journalist', and an erroneous conclusion that could easily be drawn from the translated quote.
Think sitting back, chuckling, satisfied that Veritas Omnia Vincit.... Just what he wants.
Apr 08th, 2018 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Who wrote this rubbish? Roger?
Apr 11th, 2018 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse -2Someone didn't read the comments before posting...
Apr 11th, 2018 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Roger, I take it you haven't heard anything back from Express journalist Tom Parfitt about his sources?
Bostero burro...
Apr 11th, 2018 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The name is Press..., Merco Press
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FbkJQkDHOK4 ;-)
Mr.DemonTree...
“There ain't no Engrish Propaganda Machine”...huuhhhhhhhhhh...?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FbkJQkDHOK4
@Think
Apr 11th, 2018 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Hollywood is the US propaganda machine?
Speaking of spies, your Defence Minister may not have said 'Falklands', but has he been telling porkies?
https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/2018/04/11/exclusivo-la-armada-argentina-realizo-inteligencia-ilegal-sobre-el-sistema-de-defensa-britanico-en-malvinas/
I thought this bit was especially interesting:
“The intelligence tasks of the Navy - authorized or not by the National Directorate of Military Strategic Intelligence - were carried out in open violation of the Treaty of Madrid, signed in 1990 in that European city by the foreign ministries of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain, to put an end to the war started in 1982 by the de facto government of the genocidal general Leopoldo Fortunato Galtieri.”
Mr. DemonTree...
Apr 11th, 2018 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Wrong link...
Not Hollywood..., BBC...
https://petapixel.com/2018/03/19/bbc-accused-of-photoshopping-jeremy-corbyns-hat-to-look-more-russian/
And yesss..., Minister Agad is a certified porkies telling Turnip...
That's old news, and Bond is better propaganda anyway.
Apr 11th, 2018 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has Argentina broken another treaty, then? That one was made for a good reason, I think.
Mr. DemonTree..., me dear brainwashed millenial...
Apr 11th, 2018 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Dumb to just swep aside the ~three weeks old anti Corbyn/Russia brainwash as “Old News”...
You youngsters have such a short attention span nowadays...
Makes brainwash such an easy walk in the park for the professionals...
And what “another treaty” may Argentina have broken..., lad...?
Are you refering to the Madrid Accords...?
Have you read them...?
For your info...:
https://www.dipublico.org/4051/acuerdo-de-madrid-ii-declaracion-conjunta-de-las-delegaciones-de-la-republica-argentina-y-del-reino-unido-de-gran-bretana-e-irlanda-del-norte/
What do you expect me to say? It's millennials who are voting for Corbyn, anyway, and we can now see who was the idiot out of Boris and Corbyn, and who was right to be more cautious.
Apr 11th, 2018 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The BBC are too afraid the Tories will cut their funding to stand up to them.
And I'm just repeating what Infobae said, that the Argentine navy has violated the Treaty of Madrid. I haven't read it, maybe I'll have a look for an English version later.
“The BBC are too afraid the Tories will cut their funding to stand up to them.” !!!!
Apr 11th, 2018 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1A Corbynista! Despite the denials…
Think
Apr 11th, 2018 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Intelligent Gayinaceo, le yebamo 18 :-))
http://www.futbolargentino.com/primera-division/torneo/tabla-de-posiciones
Sr. Marcos Alejandro...
Apr 11th, 2018 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Con todos los referíes bomberos comprados por MMLPQTP..., así cualquiera...
Manga de yutas afanancios...!
Hah, now you've got me in trouble, Think. Do you mind telling me what are 'referíes bomberos', please?
Apr 11th, 2018 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Biased referees...
Apr 11th, 2018 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But what's that got to do with firemen??
Apr 11th, 2018 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1https://youtu.be/kS9t6vfTuRk
Apr 11th, 2018 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1:-)))
@Think
Apr 12th, 2018 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.
”The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.”
https://20years.opcw.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/s-1612-2018e.pdf
Me dear brainwashed Engrish Millennial...
Apr 12th, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Nor Boris Johnson..., nor EscosesDoidao..., nor even humble me... EVER questioned the ***“IDENTITY”*** of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury...
The name is Chok..., Novi Choc...
What a LOT of THINKING people..., including EscosesDoidao and humble me have STRONGLY question is the PROVENIECE/PROVENANCE of this said Novichoc...
The OPCW report is crystal clearly NOT answering that most important of questions...
That's not how I remember it. Wasn't this Escoses's first link?
Apr 12th, 2018 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/
“Yet now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.”
He's not just saying they can't identify the origin, but casting doubt on their ability to identify the substance itself.
Then he goes on the say:
“Given that the OPCW has taken the view the evidence for the existence of “Novichoks” is dubious, if the UK actually has a sample of one it is extremely important the UK presents that sample to the OPCW. Indeed the UK has a binding treaty obligation to present that sample to OPCW. Russa has – unreported by the corporate media – entered a demand at the OPCW that Britain submit a sample of the Salisbury material for international analysis.
”Yet Britain refuses to submit it to the OPCW.”
Apparently Mr Murray did not think it a foregone conclusion that the OPCW would agree with the UK's identification. In fact, he seems to be throwing as much mud as possible and hoping some would stick.
So now that the UK has invited the OPCW to come and take samples, and they have analysed them and confirmed that the nonexistence of Novichoks has been greatly exaggerated, the only remaining question is the origin. The 'almost complete absence of impurities' will make identifying it by that means difficult, but does tend to confirm it that it was NOT made in someone's garage.
***“ the only remaining question is the origin ”***..., you say...
Apr 12th, 2018 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -1***“ the all important question remaining is the origin ”***..., I would say...
And..., by the way..., please stop disecting and cherry picking (in hindsight) what Mr. Craig Murray wrote a month ago based on the best documented evidence at the time...
Reading his articles about this case with an open mind..., one can easily see that he has his finger on the pulse....
Careful lad... If you continue like this... , you'll soon end basing your reasoning into a single letter at the end of a word..., as Mr. Roger Lorton does...
I'll stop cherry picking when you stop pretending there was never any doubt about the agent. If it was evidence against the UK government that they hadn't (yet) sent a sample to the OPCW, then it must be evidence in their favour when the OPCW confirm their analysis.
Apr 12th, 2018 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Reading his articles about this case with an open mind..., one can easily see that he has his finger on the pulse....”
What I see when I read his articles is that he is not *writing* them with an open mind. Facts are only relevant if they count against the UK, and anything that could possibly do so is thrown into the mix. Any outlandish theory is worth considering, except the most obvious one. I think he made his mind up on the first day, and is just looking for evidence to confirm it - much like Boris, perhaps. Much like Roger as well, on a different subject.
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
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