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US coalition: Strikes in Syria increases tension; reactions worldwide

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Bombs have fallen. Damascus has been beaten again. The United States, United Kingdom and France coalition launched airstrikes against Syrian targets as Donald Trump sought to punish Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for a suspected chemical attack last weekend near Damascus that killed more than 40 people. Read full article


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  • Think

    Well..., well..., well...

    The purpose of the “Skripal Gambit” is finally out in the open for everyone to see...

    Miss May could present her throughtly brainwashed Engrish constituency with yet another war..., against yet another Sandnigga Country..., as a responsible act of self-defence after the Comical weapon attack against innocent civilians in Salisbury...

    Comically enough..., this Comical weapon attack against the Skripals... seems to have leaved no sequels at all on its innocent victims...

    Did the Putin's hand picked elite highly trained personal assasin team use the wrong Comical Weapon...?

    Let's wait and see...
    Maybe the Skripals will participate in the next Summer Olympics (representing Engeland..., of course...) and win some gold..., a la Lance Amstrong..., if you get me drift...

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Brasileiro

    Triumph S-400

    Air to air.

    USA no more!

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Papa

    THINK: Do you dream with Putin?

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • darragh

    Cue the Russian troll factory (including Think, his acolytes, clones and slavish followers) to be out in force.

    'Think' you think that the chemical attacks on the Skripals and in Syria are 'comical' - says a lot about you doesn't it.

    Brasileiro - don't be an idiot - the much vaunted S-400 seems to have been completely ineffective that's if they were fired at all or even if they actually exist in Syria.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Brasileiro

    So keep up what you do.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    I just Googled...: “Salisbury District Hospital”...
    It only got 4,2 out of 5,0 possible stars... :-(
    After the Skripals..., it deserves 500...!!!
    I know the NHS is gooooooood...
    But that gooooooooood...?
    Chuckle..., chuckle...

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • golfcronie

    Keep up Thinko, the airstrikes were against Assad and his chemical weapons, nothing to do with Skripals, you are just deflecting as usual.I think we ought to send Putin samples of the nerve agent that was used against the Skripals. In fact we ought to say we are sending you samples please advise postal addresses

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    ***“We can not allow the use of chemical weapons to become normalized..., within Syria..., IN THE STREETS OF THE UK..., or anywhere else in our world...”***

    Minute 01:48...:

    Engrish brainwash anybody...?

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • DemonTree

    The only thing the Skripals had to do with this, is that after getting support from other countries against Russia, May now feels she has to support the US in their hair brained schemes. Not that that makes much difference, since UK governments normally do whatever the US wants anyway.

    And she didn't even let MPs vote before launching missiles at Syria (which the US could perfectly well have done without help, they're not short of tomahawks,) a sure sign she didn't think she'd win. It's bloody stupid, either a token gesture that won't really make a difference, or the start of another ill-conceived and badly executed intervention. You'd think they'd have learned something from the disasters in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, but apparently not.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    By the way...

    ***“We can not allow the use of chemical weapons to become normalized..., within Syria..., IN THE STREETS OF THE UK..., or anywhere else in our world...”***

    Says the Prime Minister of the *only European country that produces and stockpiles Chemical Weapons...
    * (Them Frogs do too..., but they don't count...;-)

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    Don't tell the French they don't count, unless you want un couteau stuck somewhere vital.

    And is Russia not European now? Besides, the UK doesn't stockpile then, they just produce a little to do research, like the OPCW allows.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1


    Você está fora dos seus sentidos? Você está de posse de todas as suas faculdades?
    Volte para o seu pequeno buraco e fique lá!

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    A 26-year-old song that's as current as ever...
    Missing John...

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • The Voice

    I didnt realise Twinkle was a fully paid up member of the Mafia… Oh yes I did! And, Nostrils has surfaced again. Its not a surprise, both members of I'm bashing Britain. Something like this immediately flushes out all sneering trolls and their acolytes.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    I fully agree with Britain...
    This Britain... My kind of Britain...:

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • The Voice

    Enochs speech is a more interesting subject…

    The media highlighted the most colourful aspects of Enoch's speech. A speech that predicted a race war and alleged that that was what was happening in the US. It didnt actually happen there or here although there have been immigrant riots on a limited scale from time to time. The immigrant population isnt homogenous and no part of it is big enough to act together and stage a war. The only section of the population big enough to go to war is the white majority.
    The BNP and other fascists are a tiny minority incapable of war. Enoch was scaremongering and completely wrong.
    The rest of his speech highlighted many of the problems that happen as a result of having a fairly big immigrant population and still happen now. In that sense a lot of what he said was accurate. What he left out or ignored was the many benefits of immigration.

    I think it was interesting to hear the whole speech and be able to judge whether his predictions came true.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Don't you have an opinion? You've condemned Blair for the war in Iraq plenty of times, what do you think of May attacking Syria? No WMD there, and Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people too. May didn't even let MPs vote on it.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    The Syrians had a massive army, I think rogue units have been doing these chemical attacks. I think it was right to hit the chemical facilties to disuade them from doing it again without killing any Russians. The Russians regard Britain as weak and are taking the Mickey and it will stay that way whilst Putin is in charge - their loss. Listening to Jeremy this morning one can see why they think we are weak.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • golfcronie

    @TV Do you think that rogue elements of the Syrian forces have the wherewhithall and facility to have helicopters and barrel bombs? There is Think sitting comfortably and posting while the Syrian populatian suffers under Assad.On another topic he calls the Syrians “ sandniggas ” nuff said.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    I don't think Assad is really in control. If he wasn't the Army would form a Junta and run things. They probably run things anyway, Assad is their poodle. Most of the more intelligent people here recognise exactly what Think is and where he is coming from. A nasty racist narcissist. Its only the evil and naive tolerate and encourage him.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    REF: “Bombs have fallen. Damascus has been beaten again”:

    If this was an attack similar to the last one [about a year ago]; it's not going to have much Long-Term-Effect on the “progress” of Syria+Russia+Iran.

    In the last attack; the US attacked only after forewarning Russia. Obviously, in turn, the Russians must have warned the Syrians+Iranians.

    THAT attack was on a small dilapidated airport. It was bombarded with 60 Tomahawks. And yet, there wasn't any serious damage [loss] at all & the airport was back in operation WITHIN 24 hours.

    [Wondering: from which Toy-Store the Tomahawks were bought or were they Made-in-China?]

    Although miserable; it was a successfully ineffective and a Laughably applaudable Performance! Could it be surprising if this attack = Repeat-Pathetic-Performance?

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • ElaineB

    @DT The destruction of chemical weapons factories is nothing like Iraq et al. It is not going to war with Syria or trying to effect regime change. It was to remove the ability of Assad to use chemical weapons on his own people. He was warned not to do it again after the last time and that to do so would cross a line but he ignored it. The agreement to ban the use of chemical weapons has been in effect for one hundred years. It is monitored by the UN who wanted to deal with it by sending in an investigation team but it was vetoed by Russia. What other action could have been taken? Doing nothing under Obama's administration emboldened Russia to take the Ukraine, forced the mass exodus of refugees to Europe and Assad to use chemical weapons again.

    As for asking permission from MPs before engaging in the operation: 1) It was the Easter recess and to call back all the MPs would have given days of notice to Assad to move the chemicals. 2) May can authorise operations as the elected PM - it was not a declaration of war. .

    Whether or not it is effective in the long run is debatable. To do nothing emboldens the twin evils of Putin and Assad to behave without thought or restraint. To provoke a madman with nuclear capabilities who has said that 'without Putin there is no Russia' and 'why would we want a world without Russia' is worrying for everyone.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Chicureo

    I agree with Elaine. The UK, France and the USA needed to make a gesture of disapproval of chemical weapons use. The joint attack was anticipated and gave both the Syrians as well as Russians to evacuate prospective targets. According to the news media, there were few fatalities.
    No Russian assets were apparently destroyed and the attack was more symbolic than tactical. In the end this incident will soon be forgotten.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I suppose this 'intervention' won't cause the same problems as Iraq, IF this is as far as it goes. Even so, it's similar in some ways. The US and UK, and in this case France, have taken it upon themselves to judge some country guilty of breaking international laws, and launched an attack on them as a consequence. It's not our job to act as world police, world judge, and word executioner. Besides, although the evidence in Syria seems better than in Iraq, they still hadn't finished investigating. May's government is showing an alarming tendency to jump to conclusions.

    As for holding a vote, Trump was tweeting threats back on the 8th, there would have been time between then and now to recall the MPs. Besides, Chicureo is right; the attack was anticipated and was always intended to be. Recalling MPs need not have given Assad any more warning.

    And you say it was not a declaration of war, but if some country deliberately fired missiles at Britain, I think it would be taken as one.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    If America, Britain and France hadnt acted as Word Police, who would? The toothless UN? Russia who are in cahoots with Assad? China, who show no interest in the Middle East? Corbyn? Wee Jimmy? Vince?

    P l ease.. !

    These outrages need action, its in no way like Iraq. Whoever did this needs to be deterred and its a lesson to anyone else in the world who decides to try chemical weapons.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think


    Please inform yourselves...
    There has been quite a few chemical attacks in Syria during the last few years...
    Some by the Assad regime..., some by ISIS..., some by the Kurds..., etc..., etc..., etc...

    Q1...: Why is the “West” only bombing the Assad regime if its intentions are humanitarian & noble...?
    Q2...: Who ix providing the Syrian Oppossition... ISIS..., the Kurds..., etc..., etc..., etc with CW's...?

    If..., by any chance..., your Argie brothers in arms officers should invite you again to dine at their fine Circulo Militar..., which you like so much..., please remember a doggy bag for this lass...

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Nasty racist narcicist, dead easy to make Chlorine. We didnt bomb Assad, we bombed his chemical weapon facilities. Do try to keep up…

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    It's the UN's job, but Russia would have kept blocking any action. Anyway, even if you have good intentions, acting is not always the best thing to do. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. At least this time they are not aiming for regime change.

    Any why does this outrage need action more than all the others? The other chemical attacks, the barrel bombs, the targeting of civilians and hospitals? At best it's a token gesture and at the very worst it could spark WWIII.

    What lass? You forgot to break your link again.

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ... please remember a doggy bag for this lass

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • The Voice

    The reality is UN forces only peacekeep, they have never gone on the offensive. The situation is that the Russians back Assad and are ambivalent to his use of chemical weapons and oppose any UN binding resolution. Therefore nothing is or will be done with the blessing and authority of the UN, and thats why its a useless organisation as far as punishing rogue states is concerned.

    The only way to punish and disuade Assad and his forces is with force and minimum force avoiding loss of life was used.

    WWIII is piffle, everyone is trying to avoid that.

    The use of Chemical weapons is banned and perpetrators must be punished by the International Community to disuade everybody.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think


    The Engrish are again..., again and again bombing Sand Niggas and..., as we speak..., deporting Engrish born West Indies Niggas...

    But it is poor little foreigner me who is called racist..., just for using the Engrish Nigga word...!

    Chuckle..., chuckle......

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    No Twinkle, that isnt why I call you are racist although its in very bad taste and totally untrue. Its simply because of your constant hatred and racist comments about the British and the Falkland Islanders.
    Tell us, whats it like being a nasty little racist narcicist? Did your parents have to flee Scandinavia after supporting the Nazis?

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think


    Are them British a “ Race ”...?

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • ElaineB


    The worldwide agreement reached after the use of chemical weapons in WW1 has, by and large, been adhered to and should be enforced. There is solid evidence of use of chemical weapons in Syria and the U.S, U.K. and France would hardly embark on this mission without full confidence because of the backlash from the likes of Corben and supporters. No government wants to launch costly attacks unless absolutely necessary. One could argue that Trump wanted a distraction but it really goes against his voting base when he vowed to be more isolationist.

    Should certain countries act as the world's police? That is a great topic for debate but ultimately I consider it a duty of developed countries when the world is so small and connected. Lack of action in Syria has had major consequences. If you can, try to watch the documentary film 'The Final Year', currently available, focusing on foreign policy during the last year of Obama's administration. I saw it at the LFF last year and it goes a long way to explaining why inaction is not always the best route. At the premier the U.S., U.N. ambassador Power did a Q and A session afterwards. She felt strongly that the U.S. should have intervened earlier for a number of reasons. Not least because inaction emboldened Putin to take the Ukraine, and the mass exodus of refugees to Europe contributed to the eventual Brexit vote. Her second point was that the Obama administration greatly underestimated dealing with Putin (and so has Trump). They assumed Putin would do what is best for Russia. Putin does what is best for Putin. Ambassador Power was very candid about the mistakes they made and, of course, with the benefit of hindsight.

    About the vote. Trump's chaotic tweeting doesn't really give a timeline away. As for bombing the U.K., if we were using chemical weapons against our own people I think we would expect reprisals. That would not necessarily mean war.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    No they're not. They're threatening to (wrongly) deport people who were born in Commonwealth countries and brought to Britain as children, because the Home Office is an uncaring and heavy-handed Bureaucracy, and our government didn't care enough about them to sort out documents back in the 70s. (And they'll probably do the same to the EU immigrants now if they are given half a chance.)

    And using words like that - do think it's edgy or funny or something? What does it matter whether it's your native language, is it okay for me to call you sudaca because I'm not Spanish?

    “Are them British a “ Race ”...?”

    What does that matter? It's prejudice that's the problem, not what kind of group it's aimed at.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Why oh why did people oppose identity cards in Britain. It would be difficult to initially manage but ultimately reduce the problem of whether someone is entitled to live in the UK. Most other developed countries have IDs but the usual suspects, backed by criminals and illegal immigrants are always against them and we let them get away with it…

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “Why oh why did people oppose identity cards in Britain.”

    Because of scare stories in the media, duh. Same reason people oppose a lot of things that might benefit them.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You ask...:
    ***”What does that matter? (If Britons are a race N.A.) It's prejudice that's the problem, not what kind of group it's aimed at.“***

    I say...:
    It matters..., boy...
    If them Anglos ain't a race..., I can't be a ”Racist” for being wary of them...
    I'm sure as hell ain't no Anglophile...
    But I'm certainly no Anglophobe...
    I'd say..., I'm just Anglochary...

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Black people aren't a single race, Eastern Europeans aren't a race, Muslims certainly aren't a race. What difference does it make what you call it? The effects are the same either way.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    By the way..., lad...

    Yes they're... They're threatening to (wrongly) deport blackish and brownish people who were born in Commonwealth countries and brought to Britain as children..., AS WELL AS THEIR ILLEGAL ALIEN OFFSPRINGS..., THAT AIN'T GOT NO RIGHT TO BE BRITISH BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS..., and because the Home Office is an uncaring and heavy-handed Bureaucracy, and your government didn't care enough about them to sort out documents back in the 70's... (And they'll probably do the same to the EU immigrants now if they are given half a chance..., what i can almost guarantee they won't...)

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Are there any cases of that? It's unlikely people from the 'Windrush generation' would have had children after 1983, and both parents would have to be in the same situation.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    You tell me..., boy...
    You are the one that says it ain't happening...
    Easy to say when one is white..., documented and comfy...

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    If I had seen anything about it, I wouldn't have asked you.

    By the way, several of my 'white, documented and comfy' friends have had difficulty or been totally unable to get British citizenship for their kids, because our nationality laws are so restrictive.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    How manyl of your white, documented and comfy friends or their kids have bee deported...?

    Apples and oranges..., laddie..., apples an oranges...

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    There you go again Twinkle you racist git! Distorting the facts.

    I suppose the Home Office Minister I saw on lunchtime TV was a mirage saying “we made a mistake back in the Windrush days not documenting people but people shouldnt worry, we will sort this out” There will be no more deportations.

    You fail to acknowledge back at that time our country was on its knees after fighting your lot, the Nazis!

    Little Racist shits like you Twinkle are always trying to distort British event to feed you pathetic racist agenda.

    You remain a nasty little Racist narcisist.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    None so far. Their partners are from other EU countries so it wasn't a big problem until now... You didn't ask, but none of my non-white friends have been deported either.

    No MORE deportations? Did the Minister say how many there have been already and what will happen to them? And just as importantly, why was it allowed to happen in the first place, and to continue until the press got hold of the story?

    @EB, I didn't reply to you earlier.

    Should we (or the US) act as world police? Surely, only if our interventions do more good than harm, and I'd say the reverse is true in the ME and North Africa. We didn't intervene in Syria, and it's a disaster, but d'you think Libya where we did get involved is doing any better? There are *plenty* of refugees still coming from there, too.

    A vote in parliament wouldn't have to give a timeline away either. They could vote to allow a limited intervention without saying exactly what or when. Face it, May didn't hold one because she was afraid she would lose.

    “if we were using chemical weapons against our own people I think we would expect reprisals.”

    It would be sanctions at most, no one is going to bomb a country that can hit back.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeee...., boy...

    First you run so many rings around auld copper Roger Lorton that you made him sweat and stategically retire for a while...

    Now you are doing the same with auld spinster ElaineB... Lets wait for her reaction... ;-)

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • ElaineB

    @ DT

    We tried diplomacy and sanctions for seven years with Syria but because Russia holds a veto all attempts were blocked. I am sure you have followed events there and know about the stolen aid trucks and bombing of aid workers.

    I think it is important to distinguish the difference between going to war and removing the ability for Syria to use chemical weapons. The multilateral convention banned the use of chemical weapons. Syria was warned. All other avenues were unsuccessful. The weapons factories and stores were destroyed.

    Yes, civilised societies should step in when a rogue state is using chemical weapons on men, women and children. There is no question of attempting regime change but there was and is a humanitarian reason for intervention.

    I think you are way off base asserting that 'if we used chemical weapons etc. etc'. It is unconscionable but IF our country deteriorated to the point of using chemical weapons on our own men, women and children, I hope more civilised countries would uphold the multilateral convention and take action to stop our horrendous actions.

    I find it rather disheartening that people are willing to turn the other way and ignore the use of chemical weapons on defenceless people and believe we should not act to stop it. I am no Trump supporter but his determination to not make the mistake Clinton made in ignoring the genocide in Rwanda is to be supported. Clinton called it his biggest regret.

    The use of chemical weapons cannot be normalised.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Back in the 60s people from the West Indies were arriving in droves to work on the Tube and London Buses. It doesnt surprise me that there were lax procedures and poor records back then. I am sceptical to believe anyone has actually been deported as a result of that. If they had the press would be publishing examples. Has anyone seen any? Another Tory bashing stunt like Abbots laughable photoshopped bombing raid.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    The killing of civilians cannot be normalized...
    Let's call it Collateral Damage...

    The deportation of wrong-coloured British Citizens cannot be normalized...
    Lets call it “Administrative Removal”...

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Nothing to do with colour. Only a racist like yourself would Think like that. Give examples of deportations…. you cant.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Torture and extra-judicial execution are also banned under international law. Imagine we lived in a different world, where instead of supporting the coups in Latin America and training the torturers, the US government proposed to invade Argentina to depose the military government. Would you want them to do it, Think?

    There have been plenty of other atrocities in Syria and nothing was done. These laws are so selectively enforced it is hard to believe anyone will take the intended message. The lesson other countries seem to have taken from the Iraq war is that cooperating with the US does not work and they better really have WMD available.

    I don't think we should ignore the use of chemical weapons, but I'm really not convinced this action will make much difference, and I don't like the US and allies taking the law into their own hands. At least they are not so crazy as to aim for regime change this time.

    “I am no Trump supporter but his determination to not make the mistake Clinton made in ignoring the genocide in Rwanda is to be supported. Clinton called it his biggest regret.”

    Why is he not bombing Burma instead of Syria, then? Or intervening in South Sudan? Or Darfur? Does it not count if they just kill people the old fashioned way?

    Is it okay if people 'only' lose their homes and jobs as a result, get arrested and sent to an immigration centre, or denied necessary medical treatment because they can't prove their status? These people were treated as guilty until proven innocent. Amber Rudd didn't even know if anyone had been deported in error. Would you think it was just a stunt if was you treated like this?

    This is what a tough immigration policy looks like.

    It's not being normalised. Now the press has publicised what they are doing, the government can't U-turn fast enough. The Home Secretary has apologised and set up a team to sort it out, and May has agreed to the meeting about it at the Commonwealth gathering that she initially refused.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Torture and extra-judicial execution can not be normalized...
    Let's call it Extraordinary Rendition...

    Geeeeeeeee.... Them Anglos have such a way with words...

    By the way...
    ***“ The UK is entitled to secure its borders. But when over-zealous enforcement means that long-term legal residents live in fear and face deportation from the only home they have ever known, something is VERY WRONG. ”***
    (Human Rights Watch)


    Apr 16th, 2018 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Hey Twinkle its 73 years since we liberated your Bergen Belsen. Whats you opinion of that? Any connection in your family with the Waffen SS, there were plenty of scandinavians in it?

    Is great that the wrongs perpetrated on the children of the Windrush immigrants and their followers are now to be sorted.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Maybe this is something Brexit will actually help with. Without all the immigration from the EU, the government won't be so desperate to clamp down on non-EU immigration. The rules have become absurdly tough and unfair in the last few years, especially for bringing in spouses and families.

    Think, I went to your site and it told me I should be demanding action on Venezuela, and tweeting the Latam leaders who still support him. Do you think they're right about that, too?

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    Who the heck is this foreigner...?

    How dares he to be so Rudd to an Engrish Lady...?

    A clear case for an Administrative Removal..., don't you Think...?

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    What, don't your MPs or Deputies or whatever they're called talk like that?

    And no answer on Venezuela? Human rights watch not so reliable after all?

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You are finally seeing some light me dear brainwased Engrish Millennial...
    Beginning to realize how close you are to Venezuelan conditions after all..., huhhh?

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    I must have missed the part where the HRW website mentioned the collapse of the British economy, the lack of food and medicine, and the soaring infant mortality. Also the part where the head of state dismissed parliament and ruled autocratically... oh wait, that was in 1629.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Boy..., I'm an Argie..., remember...? Not Venezuelan...
    I don't reproach you Engrishman for what happens in Hungary..., do I...?
    (Even if there are enough worringly paralells)

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    If anyone here supports Orbán you are welcome to reproach them as far as I'm concerned.

    I was wondering if you objected to the opposition leaders being jailed and excluded from the election in VZ as much as you object to Lula's treatment?

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    First Inform yourself why some of the VZ opposition leaders were jailed and then I will take that talk with you...

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Okay. Leopoldo Lopez was jailed for - according to the government - inciting violence at protests against Maduro. The prosecutor in his trial later fled to the US and declared the trial a farce.

    I was surprised to learn that the party he founded is associated with Socialist International, though.

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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    REF: “US coalition: Strikes in Syria”:

    OMG! I'm absolutely sure that Syria+Russia+Iran must now be trembling with fear and ready to surrender at all costs [or accelerate their “progress”]!

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @DT We are going to have to agree to disagree on the use of chemical weapons. It was a worldwide treaty that Syria (with the help of Russia) discarded. Since the first time all possible diplomatic routes and sanctions have been tried without success. The UN is not an option since Russia has Veto. This was not an isolated or spontaneous decision but rather a last resort.

    Yes, we do have to act as the world's police when international treaties that could affect us all have been broken. On humanitarian grounds alone we should be intervening. With power and wealth comes responsibility. We gain nothing monetarily from removing the chemical weapons factories in Syria. This is not a case of choosing a war to gain market advantage like Iraq.

    I have never thought whataboutery to be a reason for inaction.

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • chronic


    Best if used by: 4/10/18

    Use it or lose it.

    If you don't shoot the fireworks they have to be serviced or decommissioned.

    Beside, wagging the dog sucked a lot of the oxygen out of comotose's book tour.

    It's just icing and sprinkles for a bunch of EU sycophants.

    If you actually want to slow down syria whip a couple in lezbolah's hq in tehran and one into assad's pool at the summer palace.

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  • DemonTree

    “and then I will take that talk with you”

    Not going to keep your promise?

    I don't think we disagree on chemical weapons, just on what the best response is.

    I do support intervening on humanitarian grounds, but only in certain circumstances.

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    Judging by your postings times..., you just dedicated a couple of minutes this morning to inforn yourself about just one of the imprissoned oppositors..., richy rich American darling Leopoldo Lopez...

    Do you really Think that's enough to have a serious talk with auld El Think...?
    I may not have many minutes left boy...Don't want to waste my polvora en chimangos...

    Did you see the videos of him of 2002 during the American backed military coup against Chavez..., ilegally arresting and mishandling a govetmment minister...?
    Did you see the couple of videos of 2014..., where he, for example..., directly incites the University students to “”“Get out onto the streets and express all their frustration and anger in a ”“”NON PACIFIC “”“ WAY... directry resulting in 43 deaths...”?

    Youtube those..., watch them..., Think if he was an Engrish BNP'er or NF'er telling the same thing to them chavs resulting directly in 43 deaths..., 15 of them policemen.... and then we speak...

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    I watched a video on Youtube which claimed to show the speech that got him sent to jail, and did my best to follow it.

    My Spanish is very very bad, so maybe I didn't understand it correctly, but I didn't hear him telling them to protest violently. He started by saying they had to find an 'exit' from the disaster in Venezuela, but it had to be peaceful and within the constitution. And near the end he says something about the right to protest, but 'en paz, sin violencia'. And the protesters in the video are not wearing masks like many of the ones in Argentina, either.

    So where did he tell them to express anger in a non-pacific way, or was that in a different speech?

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You found... of course..., a nice video with a falss title...
    Nothing said on that sppech video deserves any criticism...

    Try this one...

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I wouldn't be so sure the title was false. The video you linked was published in 2008. Whatever it is, it does not show Lopez inciting the protests in 2014 which he was convicted over.

    It's a strange phrasing to use, and just a short bit of his speech. Do you know what event it's related to, or when exactly it dates from? I'd like to see the whole thing if possible to understand what is going on.

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You do that boy...

    My opinion about Mr. Lopez is clear since 2002...
    Having said that... I adhere to Uruguay' Ex President José Mujica's advice...: “Do not react against the provocations and attacks from the NeoCon politicians and their Press unless you catch them with two smoking guns..., on camera... They are too powerful and they invented the game...”

    Just look at the example of Venezuela... The Prügelknabe of the NeoCon Press and their accolites... A quite irrelevant South American Country in crisis..., butt even young brainwashed Engrish millennials from middle sized towns in MiddleEarth find it necessary to comment and opine about it without knowing other that what their propaganda machine tells them...

    Just look at my beloved Mexico further north... Much bigger crisis..., many more deaths..., many more refugees escaping misery..., much more misery..., yet nobody talks about it... because their politicians play ball with the NeoCons...

    Anyhow..., as long as there are Engrishmen as the one I link below..., not all is lost for dear auld Blighty...

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “My opinion about Mr. Lopez is clear since 2002”

    Then why are you so reluctant to give it?

    I used to read positive stories about Venezuela in the UK press, but not any more. The problems grew so bad nobody can deny them. Is the Human Rights Watch site you linked to part of the Neo-Con press? It was them who brought up the subject.

    It's not that I'm particularly obsessed with Venezuela, but it provides an informative comparison to the events in Brazil, which works both ways.

    When I see you cheering for Lula, while ignoring the jailed and disqualified opposition leaders in VZ, it makes me wonder if you have a good reason for it. So far, it appears that you condemned Lopez back in 2002 and are not much interested in whether he is guilty of the crimes he was convicted of, and nor are you bothered that most of the opposition leaders in VZ have been disqualified from the election. JB's opinion of Lula has been clear since long before 2002, but at least he did look at the evidence against him.

    Relying on Telesur and out-of-context Youtube clips is not actually better than believing everything the MSM says.

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
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    REF: “Relying on Telesur........................ the MSM says”:

    Maybe, but the FACT behind the “Cover-Story” is blaring:

    Apr 18th, 2018 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yaigulah3x

    The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?

    Apr 20th, 2018 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    You should check the source. It is a Uruguayan publication run by a Uruguayan.

    It is a news agency which means it collects stories from other sources and publishes them here. Like all news platforms it gives the reader what it wants most. Therefore, if you see a lot of comment on one type of story it will give you more on that subject. More clicks, more comments, more advertising revenue. Simple economics.

    I guess your conspiracy theory is much more comforting for you.

    Apr 20th, 2018 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    British passports are made in Holland..., but they're British..., I Think...

    Apr 20th, 2018 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    That's not a very good analogy. I'm sure it is a Uruguayan publication run by a Uruguayan, but who owns it, who set it up and why? Who thought there was a gap in the market for news relevant to the Falkland Islands?

    Apr 20th, 2018 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think


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    Reuters: “TRUMP INVITED Putin to U.S.”

    Obviously, the racketeer wants to propose some kind of business between Russia & The Drump Empire; before he is impeached on several wide varieties of charges.

    Apr 20th, 2018 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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