MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Thousands of followers rallied to support ex president Lula da Silva outside his prison
Several thousand supporters of former Brazilian president Lula Inacio da Silva rallied on Sunday outside the prison where he has now been held for a year, as they demanded his release and chanted slogans against current leader Jair Bolsonaro. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is what happens with true leaders: In adversity, they still inspire their people.
Apr 09th, 2019 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lula will outgrow his legend while his enemies crumble by their own weight.
And Brazil will see the light again.
A stage has come where someone [ANYONE] - corrupt or not - to lead the country in SOME direction! NOBODY believed when I said that “ALL the king's men & assholes can NEVER put Humpty Dumpty together”:
Apr 09th, 2019 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/DODIA//brum.jpg
EM
Apr 09th, 2019 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't deny that Lula was a leader....despite the fact that his followers are mainly ignorant and stupid, because they still support him after he stole from them....and from all those who did not support him...
But I must admire your blind, misguided optimism.
So the 1 year commemoration of his imprisonment drew about 3,000 followers in Curitiba, mainly unnocupied rural workers from the MST, waving their red flags and eating 'mortadella' sandwiches - all bussed to Curitiba by the PT and the left-wing unions - while on the Av. Paulista 10s of 1000s went to support Bolsonaro and Guedes...as can be seen below :-
https://youtu.be/6ML5peIvKw8
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Apr 09th, 2019 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“His followers are mainly ignorant and stupid ... and eating 'mortadella' sandwiches” in your humble opinion devoid of any expertise.
Whereas this expert has you down pat, as dumb. “...Studies have found, for example, that children with poor mental skills grow up to be strongly right-wing adults....Considerable evidence shows that conservative ideology predicts all sorts of prejudice—against ethnic and racial minorities, the disadvantaged, any outgroup. ... Dhont and Hodson tested and confirmed this mediation model: Lower childhood intelligence clearly predicts right-wing ideology and attitude, which in turn predicts prejudice in adulthood.”
https://www. psychologicalscience.org/news/were-only-human/is-racism-just-a-form-of-stupidity.html
@Jack Bauer
Apr 10th, 2019 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “followers are mainly ignorant and stupid”:
Not JUST The Followers but the Rest of the MASSES too!
After all:
#1: Why the rest of the crooks continue to be honored as the political leaders, senators, governors, etc, enjoy special privileges+protections + are nowhere near prisons; while the farcical investigations remain never-ending!
#2: On the other hand; just a few of those who are behind bars; PREFER imprisonment rather than confessing their crimes + return the stolen wealth!!!
By ANY chance; Will these STUPID+IGNORANT MASSES ever WAKE-UP to notice that SOMETHING DEFINITELY HAS GONE TERRIBLY WRONG?
https://www.tribunaribeirao.com.br/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/A2-Opiniao-3-696x495.jpg
@:o))
Apr 10th, 2019 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you are dead, you don't know you are.....when you are stupid, it's the same.....that applies to all of Lula's followers, without exception, here, as well as those who hide out in their mother's basement in Canada. They choose to ignore the proof, even when rubbed in their ugly faces.....but who cares, it changes nothing.
@Jack Bauer
Apr 10th, 2019 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Canada???
The Message is Loud AND Clear:
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Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Apr 10th, 2019 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“went to support Bolsonaro and Guedes...as can be seen below” Yes, it's been well noted who relies on appeals to patriotism.
“Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.” Oscar Wilde
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” Samuel Johnson
“They choose to ignore the proof” Anything you have proffered has been refuted by numerous independent observers.
Amazing how all you reactionaries have one thing in common, maligning those that don't agree with you. Thus confirming it must be a result of “Lower childhood intelligence clearly (which)predicts right-wing ideology and attitude...(dumb).
Unfortunately for you you're not in the following category. ”Higher intelligence (IQ) in childhood is associated with a lower lifetime risk of major causes of death, including heart disease, stroke, smoking related cancers, respiratory disease and dementia, finds a study published by The BMJ today.” https://medicalxpress.com › Health
@Jack Bauer
Apr 11th, 2019 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “that applies to all of Lula's followers, without exception”:
wrt: #1 & #2 as above: Looks like you missed my point!
Anyway:
https://www.otempo.com.br/image/contentid/policy:1.2155735:1553729253/CHARGE%20O%20TEMPO.JPG?f=3x2&q=0.6&w=620&$p$f$q$w=904c3fd
@:o))
Apr 11th, 2019 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, don't think I did.....yr #1 & # 2....it's the ignorant masses that keep on re-electing the scum, and supporting them.....the idiots aren't exactly an exclusivity of the left, they are found everywhere.
I mentioned Canada - a lovely country that should start to kick out some of it's imported commies - because it's where one of Lula's most fanatical supporters hides out .... he is aka Gollum, and lives in his mother's basement.....he rears his ugly, slimy head every now and again, even when not called upon, only to spout his biased sh*t. He has the unfortunate habit of becoming derailed when someone doesn't agree with him, going off topic, and quoting useless phrases...
Give you two guesses as to who it is...altho one should be enough.
Facts and opinions are often uttered in the same breath; the terms have a huge difference in their meanings. Whether a statement is a fact or an opinion depends on the validity of the statement. While a fact refers to the something true or real, which is backed by evidence, documentation, etc. On the other hand, opinion is what a person believes or pretends about something.
Apr 11th, 2019 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In finer terms, a fact is a proven truth, whereas opinion is a personal view, that represents the outlook of an individual, which in this case is never based on any facts.
Difference Between Fact and Opinion. Thats why I personally best my uniformed opposition every time.
“The facts just the facts ma'am.” Sergeant Joe Friday
@Jack Bauer
Apr 11th, 2019 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:o))
@:o))
Apr 12th, 2019 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was referring to the idiot immediately above your post, who opened his cesspool to spew a load of nonsense.....facts and opinions were never his strong point, but getting his knickers in a twist seems to be his favorite pastime......
Jack
Apr 13th, 2019 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hold your ground. The miserable Marxist jackets whimper and howl as the legally criminally convicted Lula rots in his dank and dark miserable prison cell.
Justice rules over the Brazilian nation and we need to continue celebrating!
Chicureo the flamer
Apr 14th, 2019 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Justice rules over the Brazilian nation” Hardly.
“Yet crucially, there is no evidence that Lula either owned or lived in the triplex at any point. Beyond the suspicious activity with apartment 164-A, the court cited no evidence that directly implicated Lula in a quid pro quo with OAS. Instead, it argued that because it is known that OAS was taking kickbacks from Petrobras, and Lula was the sitting president at the time, it is reasonable to infer that he was aware and complicit. This is, needless to say, not sufficient evidence to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt. And indeed, according to several analysts, no European or American court would have ruled to convict based on the evidence presented”
http://www.brownpoliticalreview.org/2018/03/brazils-democratic-woes-anti-elitism-reemergence-illiberalism/
Here you go dummy.
“The short answer is yes—there is a clear, predictable and causal link between low intelligence and prejudice, including racism.
...Studies have found, for example, that children with poor mental skills grow up to be strongly right-wing adults....Considerable evidence shows that conservative ideology predicts all sorts of prejudice—against ethnic and racial minorities, the disadvantaged, any outgroup. Indeed, right wingers are much more likely to see outgroups as a threat to traditional values and social order, resulting in heightened prejudice. Dhont and Hodson tested and confirmed this mediation model: Lower childhood intelligence clearly predicts right-wing ideology and attitude, which in turn predicts prejudice in adulthood.”
https://www. psychologicalscience.org/news/were-only-human/is-racism-just-a-form-of-stupidity.html
@JB / @TH
Apr 14th, 2019 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RIGHT - but the proof of the pudding is in eating MANGOES [even if they are a bit raw]:
http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/charges/AUTO_sid.jpg
@Chicureo
Apr 14th, 2019 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justice won't rule over Brazil until the rest of the corrupt are out of Congress and in jail.
@JB
“When you are dead, you don't know you are.....when you are stupid, it's the same.....”
So true. Is there any way to get through to the determinedly ignorant?
Ctn. “Sales of new cars in Argentina”
“As to being recruited/disillusioned with the cause, you've got to be a complete a.hole to be recruited in the first place”
For most terrorists, sure. But those 15 year old girls who left the UK to become 'jihadi brides' in Syria have been in the news lately. Maybe they have some excuse being young and stupid? Anyway, most murders aren't a simple mistake, either. Some people probably regret their actions, others only regret getting caught. How do you tell the difference?
“Today, with DNA, security camera footage, plus witness testifying, I think it's pretty hard to make a mistake”
I dunno. In some cases, probably not, but not all are so clear. I've seen CCTV footage and it's often so fuzzy it could be anyone. Looking at all the miscarriages of justice that have been uncovered, it's hard to feel confident. And I don't feel too comfortable saying the penalty for a crime should depend on how good the evidence is. Though maybe that is the point of all those appeals that death row prisoners get in the US.
Re Brexit, I'm not really worried about my money, it's just my partner is dead set on buying an expensive house in the country which will take nearly all of our savings and a big mortgage. It makes me nervous when we don't know where we'll be in 6 month's time. Probably I'm just too pessimistic, but it's been very nice having no outstanding debt and plenty of savings to fall back on. Besides that we've now got health issues to worry about. :(
DT
Apr 14th, 2019 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So true. Is there any way to get through to the determinedly ignorant?”....VERY difficult ...that's why investment in education is essential.
Re (Contn “Sales of new cars in Arg”), “For most terrorists, sure. But those 15 year old girls who left the UK to become 'jihadi brides'....to be that gullible, to the point of being ”disillusioned” (based on what ? that they can't afford a Rolls Royce ?), the only excuse I can think of, is pure ignorance and the total lack of comprehension of how life works.
Unfortunately, you only get the opportunity to try to tell the difference - btwn regretting actions , or being caught - after the murderer is caught....the motivation might be a clue...only man-slaughter 'could' be considered a 'mistake'....I doubt a terrorist would regret anything, except that he did not kill more, while a guy who kills his wife, might legitimately regret he killed her...besides also regretting being caught.
DNA isn't fuzzy, and if the CCTV footage is, it's discarded. But what I'm saying is that the evidence - when pieced together, or even isolatedly, in the case of clear CCTV - such as testimony by witnesses, DNA, being identified by the victim - if manages to survice - usually just reinforces the conclusion. If you think 'good' evidence is not good enough, then what ? and if you are only going to convict based on a confession - which rarely occurs - you might as well not prosecute /try to convict anyone. You have to decide, based on what you have, to convict, or not convict. If there's doubt, the jury won't convict. The death row appeals in the US are based on new evidence, such as a witness who never came forward, or doing a DNA check on blood of 20 years ago.
But why should investing in real estate be jeopardized by Brexit ? (over the long term, especially if you intend living in it, not speculating ?)..Sounds you're just too comfortable to want to take a risk...which might not even be high....but I agree, it's not like buying a car.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 14th, 2019 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Is there any way to get through to the determinedly ignorant?”
Not with JB who in spite of consistently being proved a liar, continues with same discredited rants. But, then he's got you for solace, so you keep cuddling up buttercup.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
“VERY difficult ...that's why investment in education is essential.”
Yet, another fact less diatribe. Didn't work for you, as you obviously failed ethics 101.
You don't know how to present an argument, as you labour under the misconception that your opinion outweighs the facts, that prove you wrong.
@Terence Hill
Apr 15th, 2019 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “investment in education is essential”:
What? Do you actually mean to suggest wasting more Public Funds to create EDUCATED Ignorants?
Is there a drastic shortage of Stupid+Uneducated Ignorants? If there is; it's actually BAD for the politicians; not to have a large population of the ignorants who can easily be manipulated+brainwashed!
Bonehead
Apr 15th, 2019 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do you actually mean to suggest wasting more Public Funds”
Didn't suggest any such thing. You need to address your query to the party that made that quote.
@:o))
Apr 15th, 2019 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was me that said “investment in education is essential”, not the slimy Gollum, above. He doesn't believe in education, as he proves every time he opens his cesspool.
Funny, Gollum talks about “... ethics 101”....what do you think that is ? something to do with his sewing classes ?.
ack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Apr 15th, 2019 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“He doesn't believe in education” Still winging it like a typical 'wingnut'.
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies) it.
The only proofs you have provided is to your own total lack of integrity
Lets lift your your delusion of grandeur, and reveal your complete lack of any credibility.
JB “Your insistence that I'm a fascist”
Oops
Brazil's corruption scandals reach Lula da Silva: ...
12 Jack Bauer; “..'Military dictatorship', ..history is showing,.. that it was good for Brazil
50 Jack Bauer; “Military taking over again, ….. they did it to prevent Brazil from being handed over to the communists. ... the Military , I hope, would be there again to save Brazil
http://en .mercopress.com/2015/01/26/brazil-supportive-of-mercosur-as-long-as-it-does-not-turn-into-a-burden/comments#comment378210
Brazil remembers the 50th anniversary of the coupe…
15 Jack Bauer; “..Am pretty sure that military are accompanying all this … I hope they DO take over...”
JB “The military option was better than the communist”
http://en.mercopress.com/2017/05/25/brazilian-ex-presidents-discussing-the-outcome-of-the-political-situation/comments#comment467324
@JB
Apr 15th, 2019 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“that's why investment in education is essential.”
I agree, even if the others don't.
And I don't know what makes people support terrorists. Guess some people are looking for a cause - something to believe in - even if it's a bad one. The girl on the news is 18 now, and she wants to come back to the UK. Not because she's stopped supporting the terrorists, but because she had three kids and they all died because she stupidly chose to live in a goddamn warzone. I don't see why we should let her come back when she hasn't even changed her mind.
Some of the cases I've read about, miscarriages of justice, were based on dodgy witnesses, who confessed to save themselves, and there was very little other evidence. It's hard to see how they were convicted in the first place, but there's nothing to stop it happening again. Anyway, the jury has to decide based on the evidence, that's unavoidable, but you can't bring someone back to life later if they turn out to be mistaken.
As for Brexit, the risk is that house prices fall, or one or both of us loses our job if there's a recession, leading to not being able to pay the mortgage, losing our home and most or all of our savings. But sounds like you do think I'm being overly pessimistic and my partner is right.
@DT/@JB
Apr 16th, 2019 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I beg your pardon!
- GOOD for the masses: EDUCATION
- Frighteningly bad for the politicians:
Educated population + IF the politicians win; they DESERVE it! So let them go on stealing - the masses too, deserve suffering, till somehow in the distant future they'll finally may “Get It” one way or the other!
DT
Apr 17th, 2019 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most people, normal people, have their own causes to worry about, such as getting ahead in life.....if they have no personal cause and feel the need to latch on to something crazy, like terrorism, afaic, they have serious mental disorders.
I agree about the girl...she joined ISIS to inflict harm on the west....and now she thinks she can 'officially' regret it and everything goes back to normal ? screw her !
The way in which DNA can help to clarify past crimes, it can work against criminals enjoying their freedom, or in favour of people doing time...but the line has to be drawn somewhere ....the system is not always going to be perfect. The death penalty has to be reserved for cases where there is NO doubt...such as catching a school shooter alive...catching a terrorist while building a bomb, or about to detonate one...a serial killer after 25 murders...
It is unlikely Brexit (if it occurs) will reduce the demand for housing....it may not increase demand and inflate prices, but if you are buying a place to live in, who cares what it's worth after you've paid for it ? If you intend buying to speculate, that might be a bad move. As to your worst scenarios, I think you are too damned pessimistic...but by all means, wait until Brexit is defined, one way or the other....no need to rush headlong into something....and if prices drop, you'll buy on the cheap(er). Think of it as a financial investment - is it good or bad ? what's the risk ? wait until the situation defines itself. And if “really” in doubt, don't buy... reduce the chances of getting screwed. Whatever you do, you have to be convinced it's the right move...
@Jack Bauer
Apr 17th, 2019 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice message! Thanx!
@JB
Apr 17th, 2019 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Brexit date has come and gone, though we didn't wait for it on purpose but just couldn't find what we wanted. I think the market has been slow because other people were waiting. But nothing has been resolved, and we can't keep waiting forever.
There is a risk prices will fall, since this area has a ton of immigrants, who might leave if the economy suffers. Still, it would only be a problem if we were forced to move. We work for the same company now and will soon be in the same office, which besides being a bit awkward, creates a bigger risk. I have in the past seen companies close an office to save money and lay off everyone who works there.
I agreed to it, anyway. I probably am too much of a pessimist, like you said. I just wish we had more space and better housing in this country. There's far too many people, and besides that the planning laws mean only cramped and bland housing is allowed to be built. Increasingly, new houses are being built on former gardens, meaning even less green space in towns. Cramming in too many cows or battery chickens is bad for their health and sanity, why don't they think the same applies to humans?
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