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Malvinas to be returned to Argentina soon, says Argentine Defense Minister
Argentine Defense Minister Jorge Taiana said the Malvinas Islands were to be restored “sooner rather than later... to its legitimate owners.” He made those remarks to veterans from the 1982 war attending the reopening of the Air Force's Base in Rìo Gallegos, from where converted training IA-63 Pampa III jets with fighting capabilities will “monitor and control” the South Atlantic enclave. The unit had not had combat aircraft since 1996. Read full article
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Feb 09th, 2023 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse +6In February 2008, Argentine Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana, when speaking of the ICJ Kosovo case in the Clarin Newspaper said, ‘If we were to recognise Kosovo, which has declared independence unilaterally, without an agreement from Serbia, we would set a dangerous precedent that would seriously threaten our chances of a political settlement in the case of the Falkland Islands.’ He continued, ‘Argentina will not recognise also because it supports the principle of territorial integrity.’ (Jorge Taiana, Clarin.com/, 20 Feb 2008).
Can’t apply a UN resolution on territorial integrity to something that happened in 1833 Jorge
Regarding Falklands oil exploration, Argentine Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana stated in February 2010, that his Government would take 'all measures necessary to preserve our rights' and also reiterated that Argentina had a 'permanent claim' on the islands, saying 'Buenos Aires would complain to the UN over the oil project and might take the case to the International Courts of Justice in the Hague.' ( British Drilling For Falklands Oil Threatens Argentine Relations, Pope, F. , 13 Feb 2010 and Potential Drilling off Falkland, Provokes Tension Between Argentina & UK, IRRU News, 17 Feb 2010).
Why’s it taking sooooo long Jorge?
The Argies hope to recover the Falklands and defend their enormous country with six single engine slow jets?
Feb 09th, 2023 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +9This Minister is living in a parallel universe or he is sniffing the wrong type of white powder.
Argentine Defense Minister Jorge Taiana is right: The Argentine economy *is* in shambles, so some hyper patriotic nonsense has to be said.
Feb 09th, 2023 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Pampa III: range 930 miles, unladen. Max speed 0.81 mach, 509 mph. Prospect for being torn apart by a Typhoon? Fairly good. What point is there in patrolling the edge of FI airspace? We never stray into theirs. And as for “back in the hands of the original owners”, does he mean the French, or the British? He's just spouting hot air. Again!
Feb 09th, 2023 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Reckon Argentina will be handed back too the indigenous people before they ever get their hands on our country. Keep dreaming.
Feb 09th, 2023 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Geeeeee...
Feb 09th, 2023 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -3- You Anglos just continue making good friends at the pace seen in the below linked video..., and those cute, little Argie training planes will..., sooner than later..., be the only man-made flying objects patrolling the South Atlantic...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eMo8EvbCmeY
Capisce...?
The hybrid State of the Islands, between heaven and hell, between shame and solution, between nobility and the proletariat, between strength and decadence, between beauty and racism, between struggle and weakness.
Feb 10th, 2023 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse -7You are the middle of it all!
Geeeee.....
Feb 10th, 2023 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse +5-You Argies just continue making up fantasy stories about islands that never belonged to you....you've humiliated yourselves on every world stage, but your good 'ol Peronist government humps you from behind.....I “Think” you love it
Capisce..?
Brazileiro.
Feb 10th, 2023 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse +3Keep dreaming. If Argentina continues to do what it is doing, there wont be much of it left in the next decade.
It is a country run by idiots that try to use indoctrination to control it's people and surrounding neighbours.
A country obsessed with a myth.
Surely it would be far better not to suppress it's people and start concentrating on economic recovery.
Right now Argentina is on the brink of collapse, it has 50% of it's people living in poverty , debt ridden to the IMF. Yet it still throws money it really dont have chasing a mythical dream.
We here on the islands just simply only have to sit ot out and watch Argentina sink into oblivion. Then watch as their neighbours go in for the pickings. Meanwhile the Falklands population continues to grow as does our economy.
We are going from strength to strength while Argentina is doing the exact opposite.
How much longer can it really sustain that situation.
The majority of Argentines are absolutely sick and tired of this mess their leaders have got them in. One day they will rise up and say enough us enough and take control. When that does happen, real peace will again prevail in the south Atlantic.
Wonder which side of the fence you will see yourself then.
The whole world will one day have to stop fighting among themselves and come together in harmony if we want this planet to continue supporting human life.
What does anyone hope to gain activating aggressive. We are all on this planet for a short period of time, yet we think we have that god given right to destroy each other in whatever way we can.
Time you started to get off that route to self destruction and started acting like the human race was intended.
We islanders have never been aggressive to anyone, even Argentina, untill that day they invaded us. Now we dont trust them. Likely never will again either if they keep up this mission against us.
Think about it.
@Falklands-Free
Feb 10th, 2023 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1They are points of view. For us a part of our country continues to be invaded by the british.
If you are interested in people then you have to leave politics to politicians.
Allow flights, allow trade, allow people to dialogue, allow people to make friends here and there, allow people to meet.
I don't see how your economy heading down the toilet can be seen as “a point of view”, Malvy. It's a fact!
Feb 10th, 2023 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3TWIMC...
Feb 10th, 2023 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -3- Don't “Drains” usually go down .... Like this...:
UNITED KINGDOM...: 2023 Projected Real GDP (% Change) : -0.6
https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/GBR
- Not “up”..., like this...:
ARGENTINA...: 2023 Projected Real GDP (% Change) : 2.0
www.imf.org/en/Countries/ARG
Huhhhhhhh...?
“Taiana said the Malvinas Islands were to be restored “sooner rather than later... to its legitimate owners.”
Feb 10th, 2023 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +4They’re already in the hands of the true owners, as its legally an impossibility to deprive the UK of sovereignty. As Argentina has forfeited any claim due to “extinctive prescription”
“The Falklands (Malvinas) Islands: An International Law Analysis of the Dispute Between Argentina and Great Britain Major James Francis Gravelle
MILITARY LAW REVIEW CONTEMPORARY INTERNATIONAL LEGAL ISSUES
Pamphlet NO. 27-100-107 HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY; Washington, D.C., Winter 1985”
https://tjaglcspublic.army.mil/documents/27431/2250255/View+the+PDF/9f574121-93e6-4494-a347-89f4999c3bee
Moreover, neither the UK or Argentina have any say in the matter since the Islanders are the only party with a legal claim. Under the sole right of “self -determination”.
As the Referendum is based on the UN Charter, and further endorsed by subsequent ICJ rulings.
Wænk, why are you showing us the GDP for Britain?
Feb 11th, 2023 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse +1Argentina inflation rate, projected for end of 2023 - 90.5%. Isn't it currently running at something like 96%. Inflation in the Falklands is not great at the moment, but it is nowhere near as bad as Argentina. Considering the number of negative growth years you have recently suffered a GDP growth of 2% is negligible.
I was Tænking...
Feb 11th, 2023 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -3- After that recent Engrish geopolitical stunt of deploying 7 Kosovar soldiers in the Malvinas Isles as “Peace Keeping Forces” to defend the “Peoples Right of Self-Determination”............
- What are now the probabilities that the Brutish Empire will misuse the Malvinas Isles Colony to train Ukrainian pilots to bomb away the very same “Peoples Right of Self-Determination” arses in Donbass..., Lugansk and Crimea with their Self-Proclaimed “Wings for Freedom”...
Huhhhhh...?
I was thinking:
Feb 11th, 2023 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +4How Thick would you have to be to compare any of the worlds territorial arguments with the Falklands question:
Kosovo, Ukraine, Israel, Scotland, Catalan, Taiwan, Kashmir
In each case there is a question of where a countries current or historic territorial claim stops, and where what the people who live in the region want. Self determination v territorial integrity.
In the case of the Falklands there is only a self-determination question, and the people have spoken.
The islands have never been part of Argentina, there is no historic claim, just a set of lies about 1828-33....when the islands were 1000 miles from the nearest part of Argentina.
Argentinas claim is weaker than Putins in Crimea, its weaker than Israels in Gaza, its weaker than p'ss!
There is no territorial integrity claim.
“The very same “Peoples Right of Self-Determination” As a result of Russia’s breech of Ukrainian’s “territorial integrity, As sure as shit puts paid to your attempted sophistry.
Feb 11th, 2023 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Gauchito Drink makes no bones about supporting Putin. As his snide anti-semitic comments about Zelenskyy made abundantly clear, he's a national Socialist of the highest water...
Feb 13th, 2023 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse +4Malvinense 1833 wrote
Feb 13th, 2023 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse +4“@Falklands-Free
They are points of view. For us a part of our country continues to be invaded by the british.
If you are interested in people then you have to leave politics to politicians.
Allow flights, allow trade, allow people to dialogue, allow people to make friends here and there, allow people to meet.”
You say allow flights, allow people to make friends here and there,allow people to meet.
Let's stop you right there.
Flights already happen, not ideal but they happen. As for making friends, we done that before 1982 and look what Argentina done to our friendship. Friends dont invade each other, only enemies do that. Allow people to meet. We do, but every time Argentines come here to meet , they gloat and start a propaganda abuse campaign by waving flags.
But you forget the most important reason we can never begin to trust you again is because, your friendship has to lead to eventual sovereignty. Your flights has to lead to eventual sovereignty. Your negotians have to lead to eventual sovereignty.
Everything Argentina wants is always connected to sovereignty.
You repeatedly say Britain is invading your land. Since when has it ever been your land. NEVER.
Dont ever forget the very land you occupy in Argentina once belonged historically to another indigenous people. You forcibly removed them.
So ask yourself just why in hell should we openly embrace you again knowing where it got us before 1982.
We will never allow ourselves to fall into that false security again.
As for leaving the talks to politicians, forget it. Your politicians only want one outcome. That is never going to happen.
@falklands_free.
Feb 13th, 2023 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Explain your position of sovereignty over the islands in 1833, after 32 Spanish governors. An exit agreement with Spain Masserano-Rotchield signed in 1774 and 55 years of silence until the first English protest in 1829.
and after 10 years of an Argentine settlement with a population of more than 100 citizens, with people born there and who had been exercising sovereignty for years.
the united kingdom have no legal argument to validate the occupation of 1833 and the eviction of the civilian population.
Falklands-Free
Feb 13th, 2023 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Don't forget what England did with the friendship treaty of 1825, they invaded the islands.
Is this how you treat a friendly country?
As for the indigenous, I am surprised by the teachings of British morality, when they have subjected entire peoples around the world.
Are you trying to justify the British usurpation with what happened to the indigenous peoples? Are you acknowledging the British usurpation?
Year 1982. Of course I do not agree with the war and Argentina made a serious mistake. But Rex Hunt is also responsible for sending an excessive force to evict some workers from the Georgias/San Pedro islands who had authorization from the British embassy in Buenos Aires.
The serious event was tying a small Argentine flag to the oar of a boat.
The intransigence of some people both here and there only serves to move the problem forward in time.
“They invaded the islands. Is this how you treat a friendly country?”
Feb 13th, 2023 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Only after the other they had invaded and installed a garrison first.
'As late as 1886 the Secretary of State found it necessary to inform the Argentine Government that as “the resumption of actual occupation of the Falkland Islands by Great Britain in 1833 took place under a claim of title which had been previously asserted and maintained by that Government, it is not seen that the Monroe Doctrine, which has been invoked on the part of the Argentine Republic, has any application to the case. By the terms in which that principle of international conduct was announced, it was expressly excluded from retroactive operation.”
P.60 Sovereignty and the Falkland Islands Crisis D.W. Greig
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