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Argentina's foreign minister calls for talks, says Islanders cannot decide sovereignty
Argentina's foreign minister, Pablo Quirno, has reaffirmed his country's claim to the Falklands in a lengthy article published in the newspaper La Nación, in which he rejected the validity of the 2013 referendum and argued that sovereignty over the archipelago cannot be determined by its inhabitants. The text restates Buenos Aires' long-standing position and appeared days before the World Cup semifinal between Argentina and England. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhen will it sink in to their deluded brains that sovereignty is not up for discussion, the islanders decide their future end of story, illegitimate population ? you mean millions of Spanish and Italians squatting in Argentina on stolen land, what a bunch of absolute muppets,
Jul 13th, 2026 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse +3Just like a child would say, 'The minister argued that the principle of self-determination does not apply in this case, on the grounds that the archipelago's current population was “implanted” by the occupying power and therefore cannot decide the territory's ownership.'
Jul 13th, 2026 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1Is the Falklands population an implanted population ? And does it really matter? Falklands – Implanted Population (1 page):
https://www.academia.edu/30505159/Falklands_Implanted_Population
Well, it is not an illegitimate occupation, and the Islanders do have the right to self-determination, and I’ll say it again, for Argentina to call anyone an ‘implanted population’, is laughable.
Jul 13th, 2026 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Not to mention a stupid comment to make just before a football game.
Same old, same old desperation.
I often wonder whether the Argentine politicians know full well they are lying or are they really that brainwashed in to believing a mythical Malvinas fairy tale, I am fairly certainly Milei knows the truth.
Jul 13th, 2026 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“he rejected the validity of the 2013 referendum and argued that sovereignty over the archipelago cannot be determined by its inhabitants. ...Time does not transform an illegitimate occupation into sovereignty,”
Jul 13th, 2026 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Unfortunately, for him.
The United Kingdom has fulfilled all its international obligations under international law.
With the completion of the Referendum UK has met all it's legal obligations under the Charter, as the Islands are now ”decolonized“
”The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote ...the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
https ://www.ohchr.org › en › instruments-mechanisms › instruments › international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights
”Decolonization (American English) or Decolonisation (British English) is the undoing of colonialism ... The fundamental right to self-determination is identified by the United Nations as core to decolonization, allowing not only independence, but also other ways of decolonization. The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization has stated that in the process of decolonization there is no alternative to the colonizer but to allow a process of self-determination.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization
According to this world renowned jurist Hans Kelsen, in his book General theory of law and state he writes:
“if the conquest is firmly established. Taking possession through military force of the territory of another State against the latter's will is possible, however, without any military resistance on the part of the victim. Provided that a unilateral act of force performed by one State against another is not considered to be war in itself (war being, according to traditional opinion, ”a contention between two or more States through their armed forces”
The Argentine argument:
Jul 14th, 2026 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse +2We inherited the islands from Spain in 1811 despite the FACT no Argentine had ever set foot on them
We made up a story about expulsion even though the logs of our own Captain at the time says there wasn't one.
We are closer, because in 1880 we decided to commit genocide and seize Patagonia from the ethnic population.
We lost a war and humiliated ourselves.
Erm...thats it
oops, no, A German had a business there, left voluntarily and left an Irishman in charge.
and we get Messi to sing childish songs about it
I think thats it....
As usual there is tension as the football match nears. Argentina cannot accept that they might actually lose this match, so use the power of propaganda to try and unrest the England team.
Jul 14th, 2026 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Trying to make out that we are an implanted population is old news. One they have been making for as long as their mythical claim has been going.
Fact is not a single islander was implanted by anyone. Our ancestors chose to come and live here for the adventure of free choice.
Argentina are the ones with implanted populations. Spain did not arrive in south America because they wanted adventure. They arrived as a conquering army.
Then from within that implanted population, a group decided to claim independance and went to war with their own people from 1810 to 1816. A brutal war that caused loss of life all for independance.
Spain defeated, left them to get on with it. But they refused to recognise their existence for four decades.
Yet Argentina says Spain in losing gave the islands to Argentina as a prize.
Spain could not have done that given the fact in 1779 Spain fearing all out war with Britain returned the island's to Britain which they had taken in 1776.
That act alone is proof that Britain was occupying these islands long before Argentina existed.
Argentina has more implanted people than most other countries in the region.
Maybe the time is right for we islanders to truly determine our own future by taking Argentina to the ICJ .Argentine is fearful of that court and refuses to go there because they know that their lies would be exposed.
Loosing their myth would destroy Argentina and they know it so that is why they prefer the option to whinge .
It’s odd, of the 4 semi-finalists Argentina is the only one to never have a population on the Falklands.
Jul 14th, 2026 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Lol, yes, well observed.
Jul 14th, 2026 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1From the moment Britain took by armed force the islands from Argentina thanks to the United States' attack of Puerto Luis, having both ejecting Argentinian citizens living on the islands, the people Britain brought to live on the islands automatically became instrumental to the usurpation, condemned them to be an occupation population at the service of the British Crown until Argentina and UK resolve formally the matter. Unless you want to say fuck all, live in anarchy, tear down borders and start robbing from each other at gun point in the world, that is the simple well rationalized and reasoned fact.
Jul 15th, 2026 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse -3Do I think the islanders matter and should participate in a diplomatic resolution? Yes, of course they should. The issue is -in what capacity-
This is a case in which truth dwells in subtleties and details, as well as many things that are not getting articulated or damn well fascistically and imperialistically suppressed. The islanders do have like everyone else on this planet an innate right to be sovereigns. Yet sovereignty cannot be planted in unstable soil, by reason of it already being fought over two other sovereign populations, and in disregard of the greater ordering forces that have build the world we have designed for ourselves. Why don't the islanders engage this critical logic? Well ... simply because all they care about is self-servingly supporting the partially false narrative that exempts them from facing historical facts involving Argentina and Spain. Ironically they gave their “sovereignty rights” as a population when they said “we'll just go along and support whatever London politically needs from us, and we'll mindlessly sustain whatever ideological construction is useful to that effect no matter how false, slanderous and devoid of logic it is”.
How should the islanders participate in negotiations? In many ways. The resulting permanent resolution generated by London and Buenos Aires, should consider how the islanders want to proceed afterwards.
The Falkland Islanders won't have to decide sovereignty.
Jul 15th, 2026 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British Falkland Islands were never Argentine, as proven by in proto-Argentina’s ambassador to Great Britain, Ignacio Núñez.
Prior to the 1825 treaty of trade and friendship between Great Britain and the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, ambassador Ignacio Núñez compiled a description of the new state, including a list of every single territorial possession of the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata: “Historical, Political, and Statistical Accounts of the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata” (Noticias históricas, políticas, y estadísticas de las Provincias Unidas del Río de La Plata).
Every territory and every small island belonging to proto-Argentina is included in the list.
Now show us where in this comprehensive list he mentions “the British Falkland Islands” - under any name you can imagine.
https://archive.org/details/noticiashistric02ngoog/page/n30/mode/2up
Argentina decided the British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and described it for use in connexion with the first ever treaty.
Now shut up about the idiotic Malvinas Argentinas! It was recognized once and forever as Malvinas Britannicas in 1825.
Patrick
Jul 15th, 2026 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do try and keep up you silly little man.
We have read the logs of the SS Sarandi and Luis Pinedo.
Guess what no Argentinian civilians were ejected. Not one....zero. You have been lied to and could not be bothered to check the primary historic record.
Not even Argentine civilians, not one single person was ejected...none.
The SS Sarandi was loaded up ready to leave on January 5th 1833, before HMS Clio arrived, it had already Mesteviers wife (who had been raped during a mutiny), already a remaining handful of the Vernet business, and already all the crew of the Sarandi. These are the exact same people that left on January 6th.
The militia who had arrived on the Sarandi had chartered the schooner the Rapid to leave the islands after their mutiny, knowing they would be courtmartialed, Pinedo had ordered them to stay, Captain Onslow let them go.
All of them had only arrived 8 weeks earlier.
Thats it, your whole eviction LIE, it never happened. As recorded in the primary historic record of the time, the logs of an Argentine naval captain.
“How should the islanders participate in negotiations?”
Jul 15th, 2026 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0They won't, because they don't have too.
Self-Determination Defined
UN Charter
2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples,
55. With a view to the creation ..and self-determination of peoples,
56. All Members pledge themselves ...for the achievement of the purposes set forth in Article 55.
73. Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained .. self-government recognize the principle ..b. to develop self-government, ...“
103. In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.
Whereas, Argentina’s then Minister for Foreign Affairs and Worship Jorge Faurie told the (C24)committee in 2018
“He noted that no United Nations resolution incorporated the principle of self-determination as a criterion in the territory’s decolonisation process and that application of that principle would require the existence of a people subjected to foreign domination.”
https://www.indepthnews.net/index.php/global-governance/un-insider/1959-argentina-reiterates-validity-of-claims-to-falklands-malvinas-islands
Note, UN resolutions cannot negate UN Charter articles 73, and 103.
Edgar. your post is nothing more than long winded waffle and factually incorrect, on top of that their will be no negotiations on sovereignty ever, no wonder Argentina is a screwed up country if you are a representative of its population.
Jul 15th, 2026 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There already have been negotiations about sovereignty dimwit.
Jul 15th, 2026 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The British have always wanted to avoid the matter, turned the other way, lie about Argentina`s right to the islands, and gave rise the the conflict by taking the islands without any initial argument with Buenos Aires, or any form of diplomatic engagement. Not even after grabbing the islands. All this indicates the islands belong to Argentina. Why? Because that's what robbers do. They run and try to get away without needing to face their conscience. Among countries this characteristic of humans jumps onto a whole new level, robbers feel empowered and embellish their act when they can out-gun a country that's incapable of defending itself from them. But the essence continues to be there underneath, as in the case of this territorial conflict.
“There already have been negotiations about sovereignty”
Jul 15th, 2026 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
Patrick
Jul 15th, 2026 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again.
It was Buenos Aires who attempted to seize the islands in October 1832. They sent Mestevier and some bandits in full knowledge of the British claim. Unfortunately, for Argentina, they behaved like barbarians, murdered mestevier and raped his wife in front of their children, Pinedo had already recused Mrs Mestevier when Captain Onslow arrived.
Argentina tried to steal the islands, Britain stopped them, its quite simple,
Edgar since 1982 their have been no negotiations on sovereignty, its not a case of Britain ignoring it, its a case of it will never happen unless the islanders agree too , you live in a fantasy world, why are Britain robbers but Spain. Portugal, France. Russia, Persia. Turkey Argentina the Romans, Japanese, Mongols Chinese Arabs etc not . are you just another indoctrinated clown that thinks only Britain had an empire or just a hateful knob who spouts vile out oh his mouth and shit from his fingers. the dimwit is yourself.
Jul 15th, 2026 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sovereignty negotiations
we want the Malvina.
you can not have the Falklands.,
end of negotiations.
“...murdered mestevier and raped his wife in front of their children.. ”
Jul 16th, 2026 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0In short, what is now considered a classic Porteno tradition, right Patsy?
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