In 2006 a year before Cristina Fernandez took office as president for the first time, Argentine public opinion was concerned with unemployment (25%) and insecurity (25%) while corruption stood at 5% and inflation 1%. However seven years later insecurity and inflation are paramount with 34% and 13%, corruption 8% and employment concern is down to 7%. Read full article
“Social research confirms that there seems to be an ‘implicit contract’ of the Argentine people with their leaders which metaphorically says something like this: you give us jobs and consumption, and we tolerate your ‘dirty’ deals, but if benefits cease we will listen to those who expose you. ”
Exactly. This is the point we have made here many times. The corruption is socially acceptable to the majority as long as they benefit in some way.
“A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number
of producers.”
I think that is a good description of RGland, and a good few other countries as well.
Elaine that is a fair statement of most of Latam. That mindset in of itself is why Latam is the way it is and unchanging. They will talk of corruption in other countries, yet they fail to see the rest of the story. It is untolerated and they are prosecuted and jailed when convicted, but they leave that part out.
She barely has time to pack her bags and flee!
Dictators always tend to overstay their welcome, she is going to be no exception.
The real trouble is they are estimated U$8.5 in excess trade this year the problem is they need U$ 12B to pay for fuel.
IDB/WB loans are not going to be disbursed in 2014
Now what?
@5 Correction. The speaking widow. Singular. Just the one slag.
@7 Oh yeah. And the CRIMES committed by latam countries? For example, breaches of the UN Charter? All CRIMES.
He explained that “the red circle is formed by large corporations, hegemonic media, journalists who work for those hegemonic media, and certain businessmen. The other one, the blue and white one, is where we as government, are.”
“All the policies that have favored the Argentine people have surged from the blue and white circle,” he added in statements to a radio station, stressing “the members of the red circle are Argentina’s secret power.”
Hmm I think Turkeyneck and her menagarie of cretins are talking out of their brown circle again.
@10
I think we have to accept that a lot of what they say is lost in translation. Castellano is I believe a bastardation of Spanish. So a Spaniard will sometimes get it wrong.
WHO UPSET THE WICKED WITCH
And to her face, apparently, her makeup run, her wig blew of,
And she hates Cameron even more , lolololol
So what happened,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Apparently during her speech yesterday at the G20 she took far to long , boring everybody,
Thinking she was the center of attention,
Until David Cameron, fed up and pixxed of, took his interpretation plugs out of his ears, and dangling them in front of CFK, indicating that he was not interested or listening,
Apparently he and the German was talking together, of how to stop this witch was boring all to death,
Agreed to just pull out the plugs, and embarrass her,,
Apparently she abruptly stopped her speech and shut up,
Red with rage spitting her undigested bits of food onto the table,
Still,
As they say,,
Actions speak louder than words, lolol…
HAHAHAHAHAHA, the worst part about the stereotype is that it is TRUE. Europeans have so little imagination that every Britto, Krauto, Frencho, Hispo, and Tano that I run into are named one of those ways.
@17 Lol wow Tobes, I know you have a tendency to go off topic to deflect attention from the daily list of embarrassments from your crumbling country and its dismal government but this is “special” even for you.
So......as the little boi that latches on his momma's tit suckling her for comfort in the nowhere land in Mendoza successfully turns the subject, how is kirchner going to deal with the 25% plus inflation before October elections?
Did the price patrol puppets from la campora serve an purpose?
Perhaps she will restrict even more U$ of imports, thus creating a higher demand pushing prices further up the price ladder.
And let's not forget about crime that is becoming runaway. 16 and you can commit any crime you want with near impunity. Why is it Hannibal Lecter.....I mean Anibel Fernandez refuses the lower the age of prosecuting teens for crimes from 16 to 14? They are of voting age? They act on his words? 16 is mature enough to cast a vote for a politician , yet they are not mature enough to know right from wrong?
Titti boi tobi, you need to run back home to momma. You are one toxic Argentine that has no know clue to what is happening in his own country. You talk about never flying on LAN, yet you have never flown anywhere. You talk of isolation policies for Argentina and your president begs the world for trade. You are lucky that you live off your government handouts and your momma, else supporting yourself in Argentina would be a reality shock.Where does your anger manifest from? That you live in Argentina? That kirchner is your president? That you never seen the world? That you are poor? All the above I would guess. Go back home to you momma's tit, her comforts await little boi's like you.
C. F. K'S NEW CHALLENGE.
Despite some omissions, the report is contundent in relation to people's thought.
The so called low perrformance of c. f. k's government in the last election is just one more mischievous lecture, characteristic of the press which hates c. f. k.
The winner along argentina last month was f. p. v. and it's allies, with the 31,1% of the votes, in contrary to what it got in the mid time election of 2009, when it had got the 30,3%of the votes.
I know that some people hate hearing this, but like them or not, f. p. v. is still the most voted political party of the country, which is a privilege that not many political parties around the world can have, after having ruled the nation for 10 years.
On the other hand, it's evident that some detractors are commiting the same stupid mistake than in 2009, when after the electoral result of that year, some people started to say that it was the end for kirchnerism. If you are smart people, be serious and realise once and for all that it's too soon to say that it's the end of cycle for kirchnerism.
Beside, c. f. k. is not the idiot who you think, and she'll interpret correctly the discontent of the people who decided not to vote for her party, as she has done since 2009, when after the legislative election of that year, she took measures which benefited millions of people, which gave her a historical victory with the 54,11% of the votes in presidential elections of 2011. The last decisions taken by her, about the changes in income taxes, show that she's taking note of the electoral result again, mainly because if her party repeats a similar result in october, her government will continue rulling the country without signifficant parliamentary obstacles, which is what really matters.
Beside, if employment is down to 7%, shows that something has changed drastically in the country, despite all the serious problematics that we still have, that's why it's necesary to deepen the actual national project.
1) 75% of the electorate voted AGAINST the FpV, so your figure of 31.1% is an absolute lie!!!!!!!!!
2) The TRUE unemployment rate is 25% not INDEC's 7%. Just thiink that in the automative industry there are 16.000 unemployed, in the construction industry 450.000 unemployed, etc!!!!!!!!!!!
I am disapointed he did not tell us what colour circle the Falkland Islands are included in.
@23 Axel arg
“I know that some people hate hearing this, but like them or not, f. p. v. is still the most voted political party of the country”
I'M DELIGHTED!! OVER THE MOON! HUUURRRRRRRAAHHHH! They're so BAD at running Argentina, it will suit the Falkland Islands if they get in.
Because hopefully there will be enough Falkland Islands oil emerging during the time of the next Argentine administration, to secure the Falkland Islands as a country FOREVER.
If the Islands become truly self financing, you do realise, don't you Axel that the Malvinas myth will BE DEAD??????
FOREVER.
So please, please. please the good people of Argentina, even though it will ruin your nice country for the next ten years , PLEASE VOTE for CFK's PARTY!!!!!
Simon...you're an Argentine, what's your take on axel? She's like a zombie and does not seem to be in contact with reality. It's Argentine's like her that will keep Argentina in ruins.
Captain, basically ALL PERONISTS are zombies, and the latest crop of the kirchnerist rabble are the worst of the lot. There is no way one can convince them that the CFK government is totally corrupt, and worse still, is totally self destructive!!!!!!!!
It is very sad because a person like Axel, who claims to be a teacher, has the power to destroy the future generations of Argentines who could bring the needed change to the country.
In the almost 60 years of peronist hegemony the country has fallen from one of the richest to one of the poorest nations on earth.
The only good thing is that the potential for success is still in the ground and in the soil, so maybe one day Argentina will find her true place in the world.
It is sad....and it is also true that people like him accept such corruption or worse, pretend it is all lies and apparently everyone are liars...the media, opposition, foreign governments, foreign media, it's own citizens. The only way they can continue as all dictocracies is to start with the youth as hitler did. The mind of the youth is like clay and can be molded into anything. Once that mold is formed, there is no changing it.
Maybe axel is blind to the reality of the public voting against Fpv, but when October rolls around and they get their asses waxed and handed back to them, there will be no denying that outcome.
SIMON68. PETEBOG. CAPTAIN POPPY.
SIMON: Although i asked you twice not to adress to me again, this time i'll make a concession. The 31,1% belongs to f. p. v. and it's allies, i had alreday given you the results of legislative elections of 2009 and 2013 in another comment.
While it is true that the 69% of voters didn't vote for f. p. v., if you were a serious analist, you wouldn't ignore the fact that c. f. k's party is still the most voted political party of the country, even after 10 years of rulling argentina, any serious political analist know that not many political parties around the world can have that privilege, if you prefer ignoring it, it's your problem, your lack of intellectual honesty doesn't change the reality.
On the other hand, i already explained you why it can't be compared a parliamentary election with a presidential one, i won''t do it again.
Respecting the 7%, i got it from this report, which is not based on the indexes of indec, beside, it is similar to the numbers that i read from other polls, which show that employment is not people's main concern anymore, as it used to be for many years. If you take these objetive facts into account, beyond you agree or not on c. f. k's ideologies, you can't deny that something has changed drastically in the country, despite all the serious problems that we still have, like poverty, delincuence, inflation, corruption etc etc.
Beside, when you refer to pre peronism, you omit that before 1946, argentina was just a rich agrarian british colony, where the empire had a very big influence. The opulence of those years was enjoyed mostly by the richest sectors of the society. Hipólito irigoyen was the first leader in XX century who took measures on behalf of workers, however, we already know how he finished.
On the other hand, don't worry for my profession, beyond my pupils agree or not on my ideas, you can be sure that i won't never teach them to be sepoys, like some of our shameful compatriots are.
28. Until and unless Argentina willingly allows a Dictator like Pinochet to fix the country it will continue its slow and steady decline into oblivion.
There are too many people like Axel that keep voting these crooked thugs into office for a little bit of $.
The population is too dumb and greedy to be entrusted with Democracy.
2014 will be worse than 2013 and may even start is slide into being worse than 2001.
Comments
Disclaimer & comment rulesShe is always talking about jobs,but inflation will destroy the economy and employment as surely as night follows day.
Sep 09th, 2013 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Social research confirms that there seems to be an ‘implicit contract’ of the Argentine people with their leaders which metaphorically says something like this: you give us jobs and consumption, and we tolerate your ‘dirty’ deals, but if benefits cease we will listen to those who expose you. ”
Sep 09th, 2013 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. This is the point we have made here many times. The corruption is socially acceptable to the majority as long as they benefit in some way.
INEPTOCRACY
Sep 09th, 2013 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number
of producers.”
I think that is a good description of RGland, and a good few other countries as well.
Elaine that is a fair statement of most of Latam. That mindset in of itself is why Latam is the way it is and unchanging. They will talk of corruption in other countries, yet they fail to see the rest of the story. It is untolerated and they are prosecuted and jailed when convicted, but they leave that part out.
Sep 09th, 2013 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0the speaking widows are at it again...
Sep 09th, 2013 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0She barely has time to pack her bags and flee!
Sep 09th, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dictators always tend to overstay their welcome, she is going to be no exception.
The real trouble is they are estimated U$8.5 in excess trade this year the problem is they need U$ 12B to pay for fuel.
IDB/WB loans are not going to be disbursed in 2014
Now what?
and Cristina was not wrong, the Old Europe is at it again http://blogs.24.com/zimbabwelight/2013/09/06/the-bloody-belgians-are-at-it-again-they-want-the-marange-diamond-trade-ban-lifted-regardless-mugabe-rigged-the-elections/
Sep 09th, 2013 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Correction. The speaking widow. Singular. Just the one slag.
Sep 09th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Oh yeah. And the CRIMES committed by latam countries? For example, breaches of the UN Charter? All CRIMES.
Now Hector has lost the plot:
Sep 09th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/140300/timerman-two-circles-in-argentina
He explained that “the red circle is formed by large corporations, hegemonic media, journalists who work for those hegemonic media, and certain businessmen. The other one, the blue and white one, is where we as government, are.”
Sep 09th, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“All the policies that have favored the Argentine people have surged from the blue and white circle,” he added in statements to a radio station, stressing “the members of the red circle are Argentina’s secret power.”
Hmm I think Turkeyneck and her menagarie of cretins are talking out of their brown circle again.
@10
Sep 09th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we have to accept that a lot of what they say is lost in translation. Castellano is I believe a bastardation of Spanish. So a Spaniard will sometimes get it wrong.
10 Britninja
Sep 09th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But don't forget that TMBOA has two brown circles, one at each end of the food duct. :o)
WHO UPSET THE WICKED WITCH
Sep 09th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And to her face, apparently, her makeup run, her wig blew of,
And she hates Cameron even more , lolololol
So what happened,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Apparently during her speech yesterday at the G20 she took far to long , boring everybody,
Thinking she was the center of attention,
Until David Cameron, fed up and pixxed of, took his interpretation plugs out of his ears, and dangling them in front of CFK, indicating that he was not interested or listening,
Apparently he and the German was talking together, of how to stop this witch was boring all to death,
Agreed to just pull out the plugs, and embarrass her,,
Apparently she abruptly stopped her speech and shut up,
Red with rage spitting her undigested bits of food onto the table,
Still,
As they say,,
Actions speak louder than words, lolol…
..
shouldn't it read “Does Argentina have time to combat the scourges of Cristina Fernandez's insecurity and inflation?”
Sep 09th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still,
Sep 09th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0having as many followers that she has,
she would have no trouble selling her used undies them them all as a keep sake..
@13 Hilarious!
Sep 09th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/divided-they-stand-g20-ends-with-east-and-west-still-split-over-syria-action-8802598.html
CFK speaks for a full 30 minutes causing delegates to pull out their earpieces and chat amongst themselves....
Nigel, Allister, Derreck, Ian, Basil
Sep 09th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dieter, Wolfgang, Lotar, Andreas, Klaus
Guillome, Jean-Paul, François, Jacques, Patrick, Jerôme
Jordi, Manolo, Juan, Jose, Neftali
Beppe, Giancarlo, Paolo, Giuseppe, Francesco
Bjorn, Knut, Peter...
Vladimir, Ivan, Boris...
HAHAHAHAHAHA, the worst part about the stereotype is that it is TRUE. Europeans have so little imagination that every Britto, Krauto, Frencho, Hispo, and Tano that I run into are named one of those ways.
In Argentina, there are THOUSANDS of names.
hahahahha
@17 Lol wow Tobes, I know you have a tendency to go off topic to deflect attention from the daily list of embarrassments from your crumbling country and its dismal government but this is “special” even for you.
Sep 09th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 The Truth PaTroll -- and your imagination.......Dago, that seems to go for all in Argie land.
Sep 09th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Sep 09th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is my list wrong? You even know its true, you just can't bring yourself to admit it.
@19
Dago, what is that mean? I don't follow.
@20 I'd *like* to think you were joking but it's a bit of an indictment of your sanity that I'm not quite sure...
Sep 09th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So......as the little boi that latches on his momma's tit suckling her for comfort in the nowhere land in Mendoza successfully turns the subject, how is kirchner going to deal with the 25% plus inflation before October elections?
Sep 10th, 2013 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did the price patrol puppets from la campora serve an purpose?
Perhaps she will restrict even more U$ of imports, thus creating a higher demand pushing prices further up the price ladder.
And let's not forget about crime that is becoming runaway. 16 and you can commit any crime you want with near impunity. Why is it Hannibal Lecter.....I mean Anibel Fernandez refuses the lower the age of prosecuting teens for crimes from 16 to 14? They are of voting age? They act on his words? 16 is mature enough to cast a vote for a politician , yet they are not mature enough to know right from wrong?
Titti boi tobi, you need to run back home to momma. You are one toxic Argentine that has no know clue to what is happening in his own country. You talk about never flying on LAN, yet you have never flown anywhere. You talk of isolation policies for Argentina and your president begs the world for trade. You are lucky that you live off your government handouts and your momma, else supporting yourself in Argentina would be a reality shock.Where does your anger manifest from? That you live in Argentina? That kirchner is your president? That you never seen the world? That you are poor? All the above I would guess. Go back home to you momma's tit, her comforts await little boi's like you.
C. F. K'S NEW CHALLENGE.
Sep 10th, 2013 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Despite some omissions, the report is contundent in relation to people's thought.
The so called low perrformance of c. f. k's government in the last election is just one more mischievous lecture, characteristic of the press which hates c. f. k.
The winner along argentina last month was f. p. v. and it's allies, with the 31,1% of the votes, in contrary to what it got in the mid time election of 2009, when it had got the 30,3%of the votes.
I know that some people hate hearing this, but like them or not, f. p. v. is still the most voted political party of the country, which is a privilege that not many political parties around the world can have, after having ruled the nation for 10 years.
On the other hand, it's evident that some detractors are commiting the same stupid mistake than in 2009, when after the electoral result of that year, some people started to say that it was the end for kirchnerism. If you are smart people, be serious and realise once and for all that it's too soon to say that it's the end of cycle for kirchnerism.
Beside, c. f. k. is not the idiot who you think, and she'll interpret correctly the discontent of the people who decided not to vote for her party, as she has done since 2009, when after the legislative election of that year, she took measures which benefited millions of people, which gave her a historical victory with the 54,11% of the votes in presidential elections of 2011. The last decisions taken by her, about the changes in income taxes, show that she's taking note of the electoral result again, mainly because if her party repeats a similar result in october, her government will continue rulling the country without signifficant parliamentary obstacles, which is what really matters.
Beside, if employment is down to 7%, shows that something has changed drastically in the country, despite all the serious problematics that we still have, that's why it's necesary to deepen the actual national project.
@23
Sep 10th, 2013 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is that CFK knows that she is in trouble and is going to bribe the voters again.
23 axel arg (#)
Sep 10th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 10th, 2013 - 07:00 am
Axel:
Let's get a couple of things straight:
1) 75% of the electorate voted AGAINST the FpV, so your figure of 31.1% is an absolute lie!!!!!!!!!
2) The TRUE unemployment rate is 25% not INDEC's 7%. Just thiink that in the automative industry there are 16.000 unemployed, in the construction industry 450.000 unemployed, etc!!!!!!!!!!!
@9Ironman and @10Britninja
Sep 10th, 2013 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am disapointed he did not tell us what colour circle the Falkland Islands are included in.
@23 Axel arg
“I know that some people hate hearing this, but like them or not, f. p. v. is still the most voted political party of the country”
I'M DELIGHTED!! OVER THE MOON! HUUURRRRRRRAAHHHH! They're so BAD at running Argentina, it will suit the Falkland Islands if they get in.
Because hopefully there will be enough Falkland Islands oil emerging during the time of the next Argentine administration, to secure the Falkland Islands as a country FOREVER.
If the Islands become truly self financing, you do realise, don't you Axel that the Malvinas myth will BE DEAD??????
FOREVER.
So please, please. please the good people of Argentina, even though it will ruin your nice country for the next ten years , PLEASE VOTE for CFK's PARTY!!!!!
Simon...you're an Argentine, what's your take on axel? She's like a zombie and does not seem to be in contact with reality. It's Argentine's like her that will keep Argentina in ruins.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 027 Captain Poppy (#)
Sep 11th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 11th, 2013 - 05:01 am
Captain, basically ALL PERONISTS are zombies, and the latest crop of the kirchnerist rabble are the worst of the lot. There is no way one can convince them that the CFK government is totally corrupt, and worse still, is totally self destructive!!!!!!!!
It is very sad because a person like Axel, who claims to be a teacher, has the power to destroy the future generations of Argentines who could bring the needed change to the country.
In the almost 60 years of peronist hegemony the country has fallen from one of the richest to one of the poorest nations on earth.
The only good thing is that the potential for success is still in the ground and in the soil, so maybe one day Argentina will find her true place in the world.
I'm just sorry that I'll never see it!!!!!!!!!!
It is sad....and it is also true that people like him accept such corruption or worse, pretend it is all lies and apparently everyone are liars...the media, opposition, foreign governments, foreign media, it's own citizens. The only way they can continue as all dictocracies is to start with the youth as hitler did. The mind of the youth is like clay and can be molded into anything. Once that mold is formed, there is no changing it.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe axel is blind to the reality of the public voting against Fpv, but when October rolls around and they get their asses waxed and handed back to them, there will be no denying that outcome.
SIMON68. PETEBOG. CAPTAIN POPPY.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SIMON: Although i asked you twice not to adress to me again, this time i'll make a concession. The 31,1% belongs to f. p. v. and it's allies, i had alreday given you the results of legislative elections of 2009 and 2013 in another comment.
While it is true that the 69% of voters didn't vote for f. p. v., if you were a serious analist, you wouldn't ignore the fact that c. f. k's party is still the most voted political party of the country, even after 10 years of rulling argentina, any serious political analist know that not many political parties around the world can have that privilege, if you prefer ignoring it, it's your problem, your lack of intellectual honesty doesn't change the reality.
On the other hand, i already explained you why it can't be compared a parliamentary election with a presidential one, i won''t do it again.
Respecting the 7%, i got it from this report, which is not based on the indexes of indec, beside, it is similar to the numbers that i read from other polls, which show that employment is not people's main concern anymore, as it used to be for many years. If you take these objetive facts into account, beyond you agree or not on c. f. k's ideologies, you can't deny that something has changed drastically in the country, despite all the serious problems that we still have, like poverty, delincuence, inflation, corruption etc etc.
Beside, when you refer to pre peronism, you omit that before 1946, argentina was just a rich agrarian british colony, where the empire had a very big influence. The opulence of those years was enjoyed mostly by the richest sectors of the society. Hipólito irigoyen was the first leader in XX century who took measures on behalf of workers, however, we already know how he finished.
On the other hand, don't worry for my profession, beyond my pupils agree or not on my ideas, you can be sure that i won't never teach them to be sepoys, like some of our shameful compatriots are.
28. Until and unless Argentina willingly allows a Dictator like Pinochet to fix the country it will continue its slow and steady decline into oblivion.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are too many people like Axel that keep voting these crooked thugs into office for a little bit of $.
The population is too dumb and greedy to be entrusted with Democracy.
2014 will be worse than 2013 and may even start is slide into being worse than 2001.
Just wait and see.
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