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“Out” prevailing over “Remain” in Brexit as immigration displaces economy as center of debate
The campaign for Britain to leave the European Union has taken a 4-5 percentage point lead ahead of a June 23 referendum, according to online polls by ICM and YouGov, sending sterling towards three-week lows against the U.S. dollar. Read full article
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Jun 07th, 2016 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The economy is secondary.
First and foremost must be full repatriation of powers, not least the power to control our borders.
Up your Delors!
“The YouGov poll of 3,495 people on June 1-3 showed 45% would opt to leave the EU, up from 40% in a comparable poll a month earlier, while 41% would opt to stay, down from 42%. The poll showed 11% of voters were still undecided ”
Jun 07th, 2016 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leave 45
Stay 41
Undecided 11
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Yeah... pardon me if I don't trust these figures...
Something about them just doesn't add up....
@1 Remember the polls on the run up to the Scottish Referendum? I think we are right to be sceptical.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will know soon enough but it is a real shame that both sides have run scare campaigns rather than furnish us with the facts. Cameron says Brexit will be a bomb under our economy. Farage says we will all be raped by immigrants. Every day more scare and less facts.
Shame on the decision to make this about immigration. We has mass immigration before the EU and we will have it after the EU. And being in or out won't stop the illegals.
Cameron and Farage are debating tonight. Let's see which will make the most outrageous scare statement.
A Nationality is becoming so dated a concept these days it's hardly worth worrying about...
Jun 07th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Five different nationalities were staying over at my place the other weekend...
Apart from the accents...I could hardly tell the difference...
...they all drank my beer...
It should be more about whether the economy is sustainable with an increase in numbers...
Is there an increase in tax contribution to balance the increase of pressure on social services...?
43% Remain a member of the European Union
Jun 07th, 2016 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 042% Leave the European Union
4% Would not vote
11% Don't know
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/0ofltfa592/Times_Results_160606_EU_Final_Website.pdf
Sometimes it just takes a little effort. Seems beyond some people.
Your link...
Jun 07th, 2016 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YouGov / The Times Survey Results
Sample Size: 2001 GB Adults Fieldwork: 5th - 6th JUNE 2016
My comment related to...wait for it....
“The YouGov poll of 3,495 people on JUNE 1-3 showed 45% would opt to leave the EU”
I comment on what I see...
So the latest YouGov poll puts the Remain ahead...
Sometimes it just takes a little effort. Seems beyond some people.
As I keep repeating: IT'S THE VOTE THAT MATTERS!
Jun 07th, 2016 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Telegraph Poll was completely bent and has now been shown to be skewed by the polling agency.
Camoron reckons there will be 'a bomb' under the economy if the country comes out of the EU. He's the one with the bomb up his arse, Remain OR Leave!
Now the EU have admitted they are looking for ANOTHER 7M immigrants THIS YEAR from Turkey, most of them wanting to travel 'through' to the UK it seems.
That is going to throw petrol on the smoking, stinking bonfire that is the EU.
GOOD!
Vote LEAVE!
@2. “We has mass immigration before the EU and we will have it after the EU. And being in or out won't stop the illegals.” Thing is that, before the EU WE decided who the migrants were and whether we had room. I do not say this as an “outsider”. My father was quite high up in the Immigration & Nationality department. Later, I worked, officially, at the border. My father decided some quite high-profile visa applications. I caught a few “illegals”. Including the one where I had to shove my hand down a toilet to recover the pieces where someone tried to destroy their passport and ticket. Remember that it would take over 20 years to replace the people we lost during the war.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5. The FACT is that every wild claim by the REMAINDERS, like WW3, UK economic collapse, falling house prices, rising mortgages, just makes a vote to LEAVE more likely. The REMAINDERS trot these things out as though each is distinct. And they ALWAYS forget to mention what WE might do. It doesn't matter whether the UK contributes £50 million or £350 million a week. £1 would be too much. Especially as we only get around 45% back. There's all the rabbit about Cameron's renegotiation, when the Turks will get in, how we deal with migrants, what to do about Scotland, the EU army, but what everyone forgets is that the EU could change all the rules the day after the referendum. There is only ONE way to ensure that, as far as possible, our country goes the way WE want. The EU pays no attention to cultural differences. What's good for the Italians is good for the British. No it isn't, we put mostly forward gears in our tanks. The Scots and the English are much the same. No they aren't, the Scots are much closer to the French. The Spanish are similar to the Swedes. No, the Swedes have a greater work ethic.
Vote leave and Scotland leaves - result!
Jun 07th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#6
Jun 07th, 2016 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you get your information about 7 million Turks desperate to come to the UK. Maybe Kurds fleeing from the Syrian debacle. Anyway, Turks have no right to come to the UK. We are NOT part of the Schengen agreement
#8
Posting the same racist crap under another fake pseudonym. All you need is about 30 million votes in England to make it happen.
Of course everything will be rosy if the Brexit vote carries. Just think of the advantages ...Boris as PM, Michael Gove let loose. Imagine, a Scot in position of power. You deserve all you get.
Brexit will have little effect on immigration and zero effect on illegal immigrants. If anything it is being part of the EU that prevents France from not holding them at their border. If we leave I expect they will lay on transport to our shores.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the value of the pound bombing over the uncertainty of a future outside of the EU and you have a very real glimpse of damage to the economy.
This whole debate should have been about the wider issues and not a platform for the xenophobes to air their prejudices.
P.S. Hahahah An immigrant ranting about immigrants is surely a sign of dementia.
@ ElaineB I agree. The claims from both sides are getting more absurd and pathetic by the day. It would be nice to have some actual facts to go on but they seem to be in short supply.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Leave campaign have no ideas what we'd do if we left or what kind of deal we'd ask for, let alone get. The stay campaign can't seem to muster any actual enthusiasm for Europe or find anything concrete that the EU has done for us, they just claim the economy would collapse if we leave.
And if Cameron does get pushed out over it, we have the charming choice between Boris the Buffoon and the useless Osborne as new Prime Minister.
@ 9 Clyde15
Jun 07th, 2016 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was in the Telegraph, but since they have reduced the digital version to a branch of 'twatter' and other 'social media' they have dropped the search feature and you just cannot back track ANY articles. I have in fact cancelled my subscription due to the dumbing down of what was once a respected newspaper.
@ 10 Saint ElaineB
Who was it that claimed the pound was overvalued and should be nearer to U$D 1.5 / 1 GBP? Yes, it was you!
Not very good at tracking the value though are you? I have to do it to buy forward when we need money over to Uruguay. At the moment the rate is U$D 1.4544 / 1 GBP having recently suffered due to the latest massive UK immigration figures which were much worse than Camoron and 'Ossie' let on: no surprise there then. This of course increased the intention to vote LEAVE and rattled the headless chickens of the money markets. If you REALY are a 'success' in something or other how can you NOT track business metrics?
Here is a reliable link for the Dollar / Pound rate for those of you who are interested:
http://uk.reuters.com/business/currencies/quote?srcAmt=1.00&srcCurr=GBP&destAmt=&destCurr=USD&historicalDate=
I realize that being a Saint you can make your own mind up without bothering researching the facts and NEVER click on links, YES, we ALL believe that one.
AGAIN: I am an emigrant from the UK and it's the UK we are posting about.
As you claim I have dementia without any evidence, how is the MENOPAUSE coming along?
BTW, don't bother to continue lying about not knowing what you will vote in the referendum, you are too scared to vote leave because you cannot see the wood for the trees and as for making immigration part of it you have just shown everyone on here that you do not understand the problems facing working people in keeping jobs, if they are lucky to have one.
You are not working for the UK government at the moment, are you, because you sound like a Scare campaigner? Done a lot for Camaron that!
@11 I think Cameron should never have headed the Remain campaign. I think it was well put when someone here said successive governments have blamed Europe for everything bad that has ever happened. It is hard to walk it back even though it is simply not the case.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wanted to hear all the pros and cons without all the racist and xenophobic comments muddying the water. Leave or Remain won't effect immigration.
@12 You admitted you are an immigrant in Uruguay. (Have you forgotten already?) How would you feel in Uruguayan xenophobes blamed you for everything wrong in their country and chanted for you to go back to where you came from? You are a hypocrite.
I am not lying about anything. You are still obsessing about my work? Let it go old boy and ask your wife to get you to the dementia clinic. Your infantile remarks, stupid name-calling and rage are all signs. You can get drugs to slow down the progress.
Racist! The cry of those with no arguments and no intelligence. Nothing racist about freeing England from socialism for ever. Please close the door when you exit. Talented and entrepeneurial Scots most welcome in England.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#14
Jun 08th, 2016 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see any sign of intelligence from someone who keeps changing his posting name.
You are ascribing YOUR anti socialist principles to a nation of 5 million, many of which are NOT socialists. So this means that you view the whole Scottish population as a one. This is racism by any definition.
Unemployment in the U.K. is at a ten year low but still the immigrants are blamed for 'stealing' jobs. I suspect the jobless are pretty unemployable for other reasons.
Jun 08th, 2016 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0More U.K. citizens choose to live abroad than any other European citizens and yet they complain if anyone wants to live in the country they abandoned. They want the freedom to live elsewhere but complain when people want to live in 'their' country.
Australia has a points system for immigrants - nothing wrong with that choice - but it means they do not have the freedom to live just anywhere. Travel - yes. Live permanently - no. So think on when you want to leave a club that affords such freedom of working anywhere in Europe.
It may be that it is worth the sacrifice of being on the outside of Europe but it has significant consequences. Part of the reason out stock market is so attractive is because of our EU membership. Billions have been taken out over the uncertainty. Why do you think that is?
Can anyone make a case that doesn't rest on the immigration issue? I want to hear it because I predict illegal immigration will increase if we leave - for the very reason that the barrier of our EU membership will no longer exist to stop European governments from letting them head to our shores.
I don't care who makes our laws if they are good ones. I see that as a non-issue.
So, if anyone can make a case not based on bigotry I am all ears. Time is running out and I am willing to be convinced.
Intake of low-skilled workers will put the wages of domestic low-skilled workers under pressure. Winners will be payday loan with bad credit companies and high-skilled workers, who will benefit from falling costs on simple tasks.
Jun 08th, 2016 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To me, a British exit from the European Union has less to do with immigration or loss of trade rather than returning sovereign power to the United Kingdom; no more unaccountable, un-elected bureaucrats of foreign powers telling us what to do. e.g. allowing votes for prisoners. No more stories like “More than €133.6 billion of European Union budget payments last year were ”affected by material error“… the European Court of Auditors fails to give the EU budget a clean bill of health for the 21st year running.”
Jun 10th, 2016 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Times, 10 November 2015
What I would like to see is a school of thought from all “interested” parties (UK and EU) that says “So the UK has left the EU. How can we make this work to everyone's benefit?” rather than watching the financial and political parasites doing their damnedest to punish everyone and make things worse.
On a lighter note, I think there will be a very rapid exit from Europe for the English football team (though but that is me being cynical.)
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